Chuck Vs. The Mask

Well guys, I really have mixed feelings about last nights episode.  I’m not sure who I was watching: Team Bartowski or Team Bi-Polar.  It seemed like the two halves of the episode were written by two different people-like those choose your own adventure books I used to love as a kid.

The episode started well, with a straight forward rejection of Shaw by Sarah, Chuck seemingly still smitten with Sarah (as perceived by Hannah), and a very poorly received kiss initiated by Hannah.  Girls (guys too, but I’m interested in the female perspective), if you saw something different, let me know, but I thought it was pretty blah in the kiss department.  I had no problem with the little jealousy bit, particularly in context with the way Sarah seemed to light up at being teamed with Chuck, “Let’s go, partner.”

Then somewhere, something happened that I must have missed.  Sarah goes from fending off Shaw’s interest to accepting backrubs.  And that whole, “I didn’t really  mind the neck thing” seemed forced.  Chuck sneaking into the home theater room for  a makeout session with Hannah was pretty lame as well, but at least it wasn’t as bad as the spoilers made it seem like it was going to be.  Maybe that was the point.  I feel like in this whole Chuck and Sarah storyline portion, we the viewer missed the wink.  Did Sarah get a message from Beckman, cluing her in and she and Chuck devise this whole “go our own way” (sorry, channeling Fleetwood Mac this morning) plot to figure out what was going on?  I about gagged when Sarah smilingly told Chuck he knows she goes for the hero type.

Now for the B story.  Morgan is being made to look like a buffoon.  He has been trying to grow, take on more responsibility, and express interest in Hannah, all the while helping Ellie.  Ellie is being portrayed as a harried busy-body.  I always felt she was a strong character and perhaps I’m being too serious (like that ever happens 🙂 but I don’t see the strong confident woman who stood up to serve as the matriarch of her family when their mom split.  And why in the world would she accept that Chuck and Devon for that matter’s behavior all stems around Chuck “secretly dating” Hannah?  Seems she doesn’t want to dig any further, afraid of what she might find or just a poorly written “ending” to Chuck’s antics.  That leaves a devastated Morgan.  I know Chuck has been busy, but I don’t think he would ever be that intentional clueless or hurtful to his best friend.

That leads us to the clip from the next episode (I think it is then next one) where Chuck decks Shaw.  We know very little, but how are we supposed to swallow what I’ve outlined above and then have any sympathy whatsoever for Chuck and Sarah when Shaw pokes him in the chest with the “You had your chance” line?

Now I know this was a rather downer post, but I started off so happy in the first half, only to sit in my chair shaking my head for the second half.  I will re-watch the episode after work if  I can, but I’m curious as to what you saw and experienced with Chuck vs. The Mask.

-amyabn

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103 Responses to Chuck Vs. The Mask

  1. nycfan says:

    Amy, I agree with you about the Sarah 180. I don’t have a problem with having Chuck and Sarah involved with other people, but I feel like the writers didn’t send enough time building the foundations of chemistry between Sarah and Shaw. Chuck and Hannah had at least one episode, whereas Sarah and Shaw seemed to progress in an an extremely short timeframe. It felt very out of character for her.

    You also mentioned the theory that the “going our own way” routine is really a setup by Sarah and Chuck. If it is, that would be an interesting twist, but right now it seems poorly executed. It would be more powerful to really make us believe Sarah is into Shaw, and then reveal the twist later. The writers seem to have created a mess. They may clean it up, but they shouldn’t have a mess to clean up in the first place.

    • amyabn says:

      nycfan, thanks for your comments. I think the problem, and it has been documented here before, is the chemistry Chuck and Sarah have. I saw the spark between them as they teamed up to get the mask. Shaw heard them argue for a minute, but to me, it seemed like they were playing him, not knowing Casey turned off the mics. It just seemed like the breakup scene was way too happy and there wasn’t much in the way of wryness or melancholy. I also don’t think we need a cheap wink at the audience-I don’t need to be pandered to-but something is way off.

      • kg says:

        This episode was awful, contrived and sloppy. There’s no way Chuck and Sarah can be this dumb and that flaky.

        The only explanation is that they became suspicious and are working covertly together.

        Hannah and Shaw have to be frauds.

        And they also managed to make Ellie look idiotic. She sees Chuck making out in the home theater room and everything is OK?

        This explains all the strange behavior and lies by Chuck and also that her husband is close to having a nervous breakdown? Now, she can call off the dogs?

        Morgan was crestfallen.

    • JLR says:

      FWIW, I totally agree.

      I think I spent 30 minutes after the show ended saying “WTF?” to myself. I’m interested in seeing how C/S get back to each other in a way that is believable and won’t make me want to cackle cynically at the screen. Chuck & Sarah seems like such flakes to me. I know that’s not what the writers were going for, but that’s how this viewer sees it. I’m done watching this show live…I’ve given it 7 full episodes, even though I didn’t care for the season premier. I’ll be watching online when time permits going forward. Congrats to the TPTB: I no longer care about the central relationship of the show.

      • Jen says:

        Hey JLR, i understand your frustration, but don’t give up…give it at least until 3.08 to see what they come up with.

        From an Ali Adler Tweet yesterday, she mentiones to wait for the next ep, so i’m holding on to that.

        If all is as we imagine it could be, we should soon be let into that “really” is going on.

  2. SWnerd says:

    The characters did seem a little bi-polar. I don’t really know what to think of this episode, other than I didn’t enjoy it. Honestly I don’t know what to think of this whole season. The entire dynamic has changed and I don’t think for the better. It just feels off somehow. I don’t know, I’m confused and annoyed.

  3. Ernie Davis says:

    I need to re-watch, maybe a few times, but I wanted to comment briefly. We are all upset for one very specific reason. Taken at face value this episode is practically screaming that everything you ever thought you knew about Chuck and Sarah in season 2 was a lie. This episode retconned season 2 out of existence as far as every C&S moment is concerned. As such it would be the final hammer blow of the last nail in the coffin lid that they started nailing on in the Ring.

    Personally I think the writers are playing the we’re far more clever than you game, and that it is a mistake. But then I’ve given them too much credit before. I’ll have some more thoughts later today or tomorrow.

    • SWnerd says:

      Oh it’s definitely a mistake. That collective splash sound I heard last night was a large portion of the fan base jumping ship. Of course when it’s sinking, you can’t really blame them.

    • jason says:

      ernie, rewatch all the CS and SS interactions only – iit is possible CS have gone underground and deep, without casey’s knowledge (as the jealousy spat was for shaw, casey turned it off), this would be the only way about 3 or 4 of the scenes make any sense
      1 – chuck runs out of the control room looking for sarah, sees her in shaws arms for the first time, look on his face goes from concern to a knowing smile and a nod, really
      2 – sarah and chuck smile and say goodbye, with about as much emotion as I might have when I lose a temp secretary
      3 – look on sarah’s face as chuck leaves that scene, almost like I gotta go back and play this mark, and then her look the entire final scene

      I did not invent this theory, but when I rewatched, it seems to maybe, possibly, hopefully, explain what otherwise would be inconceivable writing and acting.

      maybe????

      • JLR says:

        That’s a whole lot of self-made exposition… I know I’m being blunt, please don’t take it the wrong way. I’d almost rather have all of season 3 be a dream sequence than have that play out; seems lame to me, so that means it’s probably true.

      • weaselone says:

        Chuck and Hannah going at it in the home theater room don’t fit with that narrative. It’s too far overboard for Chuck to go with a seduction at this point given his discomfort with those type of missions unless he is aware that Hannah is a spy and attempting to seduce him.

      • kg says:

        I think you’re right on Jason. These characters cannot be that dumb and flaky. There’s no way they could have shut off their emotions so easily, so quickly.

        They became suspicious and are covertly working together on this. If not, then I’m basically done and no longer feel anything for either of them.

      • Mike B says:

        Even if it turns out to be a con then Shaw has to be as dumb as a stump. In the morning she tells him in no uncertain terms to keep his cheesy come on moves to himself and later she lets him give her a message. Unless she is Bi-polar, and because Shaw knows everything he is ok with that.

        It better be a con or else the Ah ha moment will turn into a WTF moment.

      • Jen says:

        Hi Jason,
        I noticed all those same moments too, where the ones i enjoyed in the ep and they are the reason why those last scenes were so tough to watch and felt contrived. I’m gonna think from here on that this theroy of the “underground” CS mission is a realy possibility; other than tthat i can’t imagine what the writers could do to bring them back together and it means we read C&S wrong in this ep.

      • atcdave says:

        While I think this episode was poorly conceived and executed, I’m definately in the “its all a scam” camp. The happiest we see Sarah all episode is when they shoo Shaw out of the museum and Chuck and Sarah head off on their mission as partners, and again when she’s sending Chuck off to be with Hannah (?!). I am positive Sarah is scamming Shaw (for info, agenda, or manipulation I don’t know). I’m less sure about Chuck; there is the possibility he’s given up all hope with Sarah and is trying to move on (possibility I said, not probability). I just have a hard time seeing Chuck be this manipulative without a very good reason; and we really don’t know anything that damaging about Hannah yet, except that she’s throwing herself at Chuck. Maybe he has flashed on something, or has a strong suspicion about something we know nothing about yet.

  4. lizjames says:

    Here’s one way to watch this whole thing: The very first moments of Season 3 we saw were fake. It was the training mission that they presented as real, then revealed as fake.

    Almost EVERYTHING since then has been fake. Or as Sarah said on the train platform: Nothing is real.

    I don’t say I agree with it or like it. I don’t think TPTB have been as clear as they could with the clues they’ve left And it may be DISASTROUS for the ratings.

    But it is what it is. By e13, huge chunks of what seemed “real” when initially aired will have been revealed to be fake.

    • jason says:

      interesting, was chuck in on the deception at the train station????

      • lizjames says:

        Jason-
        I am suggesting that we haven’t seen ALL of the train platform scene yet. The two things we know about this season are: 1) The storytelling is non-linear; and 2) we’ve been warned that nothing in the spyworld is real…

        I don’t know exactly how TPTB are going to square everything. But we had perfect evidence last night that Shaw and Hannah were trying to play Chuck and Sarah and Chuck and Sarah are on to it and playing them right back.

  5. Chris says:

    I have to agree about the bi-polar feeling of this episode. I enjoyed the first half of the episode, but not so much the second half. I was shaking my head asking myself what the hell is going on.

    I have to hope that there was some secret plan between Chuck and Sarah, that was not shown, to have this make any sense to me. I still think if this was the case, then the writers could have done a better job with it.

    The second half of this episode did leave a bad taste in my mouth and it is too bad it will now linger for a couple of weeks until we get a new episode. I hope the next episode will help us better make sense of what happened in the mask episode.

  6. OldDarth says:

    All I can do is repeat my previous post:

    A good episode except for the last 10 minutes starting with the framing shot of Shaw and Sarah together and Chuck and Hannah.

    If the show wants to mix things up I have no problem with that. There is a story telling requirement that needs to be filled here. If a show is going to dramatize an ongoing relationship that puts 2 seasons of emotional baggage on the two romantic leads then switching them up requires a buildup to doing so. A few minutes of screen time together between Sarah and Shaw are simply not enough.

    The proof is in the last Castle scene where not just Chuck and Sarah but Casey all acting out of character. That is what happens when a change in story direction is not handled properly.

    The issue here has nothing to do with the relationship. It is about telling a story honestly. The show did not so they had to have the characters act out of character to push the new direction through.

    Sad because the rest of the episode was pretty entertaining.

    This is a low point for the series right beside the sweeping of the Mauser shooting under the rug.

    • weaselone says:

      I agree with you Darth. I liked this episode even when the last 15 minutes are average in. It’s just disappointing because if they had finished stronger this probably could have been the best episode of the season from a pure enjoyment standpoint.

      • Lucian says:

        I enjoyed it as well. I have come to accept that the “issues” between Chuck and Sarah are just so great that they are incapable of an adult relationship with each other. They make it pretty clear, I think, that Sarah still loves Chuck, but is falling on her sword, as he pursues being a spy. Chuck’s flakiness is harder to explain.

    • JLR says:

      It’s a shame the last (lame) 15 minutes ruined for many people what was a decent episode. Chuck did some great spy things this ep…w/out flashing any physical skills!!

      I agree w/ OD…I couldn’t care less whether C/S end up together. Thus, I am even more invested in the so-called journey than shippers. At least shippers can hang their hats on KNOWING C/S wind up together; I don’t have that to “look forward to.” It’s just my opinion, but Chuck & Sarah are becoming less & less sympathetic. What a shame TPTB have PLI tunnel vision. Keep C/S apart all you want, but making them look like obsessive-compulsive teenagers isn’t the way to go.

      • Lucian says:

        Correction to my post above; it appears she is falling on Shaw’s sword, not her own.

      • atcdave says:

        While I don’t agree about not caring how Chuck and Sarah end up, I do agree with your ending statement. They are doing critical damage to the main characters at this point, if things are taken at face value.
        And I think you underestimate the concerns of ‘shippers. They care very much about the journey. It is very important for the characters to remain admirable and relatable. Especially the relatable part, it makes the show engaging and compelling, its what leads us to become emotionally invested in the show. If they mess up on the journey too much, ‘shippers no longer care about the destination, and will go elsewhere.

  7. Lucian says:

    So we are left with two options – it is supposed to be “real” and the characters are both a couple of incredible flakes, or it is a con. So, the choice is flake or fake; personally I think both options are incredibly lame and not up to the standards this show had set. We’ll always have Barstow!

    • ReadySet says:

      Lucian: Flake or Fake.

      Oh, my, I think I love you. 🙂 Brilliantly put.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      Yep, that is pretty much my take put very succinctly. I’ll still probably do 3,000 words on it anyway. My fear is that either one is a jump the shark moment.

    • JLR says:

      Agreed… Real means the characters have been damaged somewhat; fake would be so damn lame… What personal/relationship growth is gained by the characters if it is merely a play by C/S jointly or separately? What the hell is the point if it’s a ploy? It’d be like saying, “Yeah, we didn’t have anything to say for episode 7, so we decided to make it not real. Just act like it never happened.” What exactly is gained by going that route?

    • atcdave says:

      Very well put. I will allow for the possibility things will still be resolved in a good way, but I will never care this episode much.

  8. Waverly says:

    Shaw has declared his intentions, but Sarah has not. I believe Sarah is just playing along, trying to figure out what Shaw is doing and what he really wants.

    I think there’s enough history for us to believe that Sarah is being cautious about all kinds of relationships. Not enough has happened between Sarah and Shaw for us to “know” what’s going on between the two. The idea of Sarah and Chuck having a secret plan seems attractive but it is unsubstantiated.

    Why would Shaw seemingly break character (and overall mission, and working protocols) to pursue Sarah? I don’t think there’s been enough evidence to say that he might be part of the Ring (despite the last scene), and even if he were I don’t see much to gain by romancing Sarah.

    I think it’s more likely that this is part of his strategy to toughen up Chuck so that Chuck can gain the confidence needed to be a fully effective Intersected agent. Shaw is just trying to get Chuck to decide whether he really wants Sarah, and then to act on it in a manner that can lead to a stable situation.

    In this manner Shaw is just like us viewers: tired of the will-they-or-won’t-they game. Pretending to romance Sarah might be a slightly roundabout way to settle the relationship between Sarah and Chuck, but it’s one way to incite Chuck to action.

  9. John says:

    Personally, I thought the episode was poorly written (even if the whole con job is true). I’m sure NBC deliberately slotted 3.07 to be the last episode before the Olympics (3 episodes in the first 2 days) to cause controversy and endless chatter. However, I fear that it may have turned off the casual viewer and the ones on the fence and end up backfiring on NBC.

    • atcdave says:

      You’re right its poor strategy if that’s the case. Nuts like us will all be back on March 1 regardless, but many casual viewers may not be. I really think they need to admit it was a scam in the Olympic promotional campaign (much like they admittied Devon was still alive in the promotions after Angel of Death) or they will loose many viewers.

  10. weaselone says:

    Having finally been able to watch the episode the entire way through, I’m going to have to say something shocking. Overall, I actually liked the “The Mask” even when the last 15 minutes is factored in. There are so many individually pleasing scenes and aspects of this episode that I can overlook the fact that Chuck, Sarah and most of the cast with the notable exception of Casey were apparently zapped by some mind altering ray during the second to the last commercial break.

    I think bipolar is the best word to describe the episode overall and not just on the relationship level.
    1. Sarah goes from annoyance at Shaw’s advances to receptive in the blink of an eye.
    2. Shaw’s been shown as a professional, feelings get you killed spy with a severe hang up on his dead wife, yet he develops and pursues warm fuzzy feelings with Sarah in this episode.
    3. Hannah shoots down Chuck pretty handily after he disappears with Sarah during the unveiling of the mask. Somehow Chuck coming to her rescue negates her impression that Chuck is still hung up on his ex.
    4. Chuck’s still hung up on Sarah and it seems things are going well between them after their successful mission. He ends the episode treating the Buy More home theater room like a no-tell motel.
    5. The importance of a team is demonstrated multiple times throughout this episode, yet at the end of the episode it’s announced that Chuck will be flying solo once the training wheels come off.
    6. Entering this episode, Ellie and Morgan seemed to be investigating Chuck because they were piqued at him for not telling them about Paris and making an open book of his life. This week, they’re snooping out of concern for Chuck’s well being.
    7. Morgan had been maturing, but over the last two episode he seems to be transforming into Jeff, particularly when it comes to women with names that are palindromes. Do you think Morgans spliced a tribute tape from the Buy More security tapes yet?
    8. Chuck’s been stepping up, but why does he goes all soft spoken when it’s brought up he’ll be a one man operation in the future. He knows that an Intersect with the team would soon be a dead Intersect.

    • Waverly says:

      Upon watching Mask again, I agree: I actually am starting to like the episode after all, despite the obvious inconsistencies.

      You have a good list of problems. I bet we can come up with many more.

      But I disagree about #7: I think Morgan has been maturing, especially in these last two episodes. He just seems more responsible for and thoughtful about other people.

      • weaselone says:

        Mature men don’t pretend to be obsessive francophiles in order to catch the eye of a woman they’re interested in, nor do they call dibs, or bribe the competition.

      • Waverly says:

        True, he is still exhibiting some old behaviors. “Baby steps.”

        Nevertheless I was struck by his apparent increased maturity in both episodes.

      • weaselone says:

        He certainly has grown, but I’m not certain whether there is much value in playing the three steps forward to steps backwards with Morgan’s personal growth. I’m thinking Morgan has a wake up call coming pretty soon, probably in episode 8. He may just figure out that Chuck has been secretive in order to protect him, not the other way around.

  11. Faith says:

    If you go with the premise that things just don’t add up you kind of have to be suspicious about everything that went on in that epi.

    The epi started out with “Sarah dumped his ass broke his heart now she can’t resist the chance to stomp on it”-Morgan. Said to Hannah.

    It then continued with the coffee scene where Sarah is NOT self-conscious with Chuck walking in after Shaw flirts with her instead what she fixates on is “civilian”—involving a civilian on a mission. Now this is something real that I can believe in. Remember Fat Lady? She said the exact same words to Casey as it involves Jill.

    Enter the museum. I don’t know about you guys but it was very similar to Manush for me. There’s a genuine shy-ness when Sarah Walker is around Chuck (because it’s real) but there’s an assertiveness when she’s Agent Walker.

    If we are to believe that Chuck is now all into Hannah and screw Sarah (same for Sarah—aka not real) then this look and the focus to this face (by the way pay attention to all the purposeful camera focuses in this epi there were a ton):

    doesn’t make sense. Why even have that face if they’re over another? Because they aren’t. But notice that Hannah is the first to break off the kiss and just all of a sudden “glance” at the monitor. And notice when Chuck openly expresses his facial displeasure he looks away from her and at the monitor.

    There was only one, count one genuine Sarah Walker smile (http://jjovenidea.com/jemell/chuck%20screenshots/genuinesmile.jpg) in the whole epi and it came with this line: “well what do you say partner? Let’s go!”

    In the Castle when the bomb exploded (literally), Sarah says, “it was kind of nice” but there’s a pause there that you (maybe it’s just the crazy shipper in me talking) can imply “if only Chuck was doing it” goes after…left unsaid. Sarah opens up, suspiciously easy also in that scene with Shaw but if you weren’t paying attention you’d have missed this:

    Those are not the faces of people that aren’t still in love with each other. Nor are they the faces of people who we are to believe just fell out of love with one another at the snap of the finger…that’s because we aren’t. And they didn’t.

    Last scene I’m gonna put under the microscope:
    Goodbye scene.

    Sarah: Hey I just wanna to make sure you were ok.
    Chuck: Yeah I guess I’ve gotten used to you know being a team.
    Sarah: We’re not going anywhere yet. But Shaw’s right at some point I’m just going to be standing in your way and not just professionally
    Chuck: Right. Are you sure you’re ok with the whole Hannah thing?
    Sarah: Oh, I shouldn’t have given you a hard time. She’s greatand…
    Chuck: How do I feel about you and Shaw? You two are perfect together…it’s disgusting (shades of the repulsive line from “let’s just be friends”—yet another suspicious event). In a heartwarming kind of way…so if I have to see you with someone else it might as well be a hero right?
    Sarah: What can I say, I have a type? (Notice she said I have A type, not he’s my type)

    Read as is there doesn’t seem to be any undercurrents but look at their faces as the lines are said. Something just doesn’t add up. Their faces say one thing, their non-verbal cues say one thing but the words say another.

    Also important sidenote to remember in Castle after the rescue Casey and Chuck are standing on one side, Shaw and Sarah on the other (contrast this with the beginning of the epi where Sarah says “civilian” Casey, Chuck, Sarah are on one side, Shaw the other. The cinematographer in this case/director is purposely making us believe that they’re no longer a unit…that they’re broken up and it’s over. But it’s too easy.

    Then there’s this: http://jjovenidea.com/jemell/chuck%20screenshots/face2.jpg
    That’s the contemptuous massage scene face where by all rights you’d be moaning and smiling but in this case her face was the face of an agent on a mission.

    Like I said. MASK.

    • lou federico says:

      CN8/faith you can make a root canal ok. I would die for your external, enduring optimistic point of view. You seem to be always right.
      So I GOING TO HAVE FAITH!! Sorry bad joke.

    • Jen says:

      I’m glad you posted those links cause those were the moments we all saw and were hanging on to until we were totally thrown off at the end of the ep. I got “wanrm and fuzzy” feelings when Sarah smiled at Chick liek she did at the museum, so their actions don’t add up. I hope, Faith, that you have uncovered what’s going on 😉

      Remember a few eps ago Beckman seemed so scared when she told him that Team-B weren’t ready and they needed to be warned? We still don’t know what the whole thing is about. C&S coudl be on to something…

    • kg says:

      Sarah’s ONE legitimate smile was the only true moment of the whole episode, Faith. At the break, I commented to friends it might have been the only time she’s smiled all season.

      The rest was so fraudulent.

    • Faith says:

      I’ve had a root canal before. I had novocaine and at the end I could have all the ice cream I wanted haha. See not so bad?

      Actually you guys I’m not quite convinced this is all a plan, a spy plan myself…but the evidence is pointing that way. There was just way too many things off that you had to believe that was done purposely.

      Jen, If we’re to believe that Shaw is above the General it’s not impossible that she herself was suspicious of him. That ominous music coming from when he was massaging Sarah’s shoulders and his face…again (although with his “David Caruso :-|” acting haha you couldn’t tell much. But why execute the Fulcrum dude? Nothing makes sense. It’s all a setup.

      Keep the faith 😉

      • Faith says:

        I should add that the evidence say plan…what I believe is far more emotional than that.

        But the MASK thing still stands 🙂

    • amyabn says:

      Love your analysis and really appreciate the screen caps. This has to be a con job. I really am enjoying everyone’s comments but I’m also a realist. I checked out the latest ratings and we continue to decline. The show pulled a 2.2 last night. You can read all about it here: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/02/09/chuck/41554
      All I can say is we really do need to rally troops. I may not be happy with Chuck right now, but I’m confident that will change and it is still the best thing on tv. I need a season 4!

  12. Faith says:

    whoops I got moderated 😦

    • joe says:

      Faith, I have no idea why, but the spam filter put this one away. I put it up as soon as I saw. Apologies.

      Spam filters can be awful persnickity sometimes.

      • Faith says:

        thanks Joe!

        Yeah wordpress akismet has this thing about more than 3 links if I’m not mistaken. Happens to my blog all the time 😦

  13. herder says:

    A 2.2 demo, a three week break and a disheartened fan base probably not willing to push the show on others, not the stuff of dreams

    • JLR says:

      I’ve been lightly ridiculed by some people I turned onto the show. They have all quit watching; the last 3 won’t be watching anymore after last night. They’re not as invested in the characters as portrayed in previous seasons since they only started watching this season. One of my buddies said to me, “these characters are so flaky & immature. Why should I care what happens to them? They’re both almost 30 and don’t talk to each other. They find out the other loves them via 3rd parties or video cameras? And spies don’t fall in love, but Sarah is gonna test the waters with Shaw?”

      So basically, I’ve heard from them every negative critique about the show. And these come from people who are NOT shippers; not invested in the C/S thing. One gal actually said to me, “Tell me again why I’m supposed to believe Chuck & Sarah are in love & should be together.”

      • atcdave says:

        I think this season can be summed up simply as Josh Schwartz’ hubris; or “damn the fans, full speed ahead!”

  14. Who Dat says:

    I have been lurking for a while, and I keep coming back because 1. people posting are a more responsible mature bunch, and 2. and ore importantly, its a community.

    There is something that makes me believe that the mission within a mission talk makes sense more than that im a shipper. The General told Sarah that she must protect the world against chuck, not leave him to be on his own.

    I soo hope I am right.

  15. Mike B says:

    Even if this is all a clever plot twist. The end of the episode was extremely rushed. When are we to believe Sarah became attracted to Shaw. When he released the poisonous gas. Oh, yeah that’s a real turn on. If it’s a plot twist Shaw is being played for a fool, if it’s not the we are being played for a fool.

  16. Waverly says:

    In the final scene at the museum, how was Hannah able to avoid seeing Sarah and Shaw and wonder “What are they doing here!”?

    Sarah and Shaw would have had to run and/or hide right away, but they didn’t look like they were about to move.

  17. dungeonmasterlevel4 says:

    Hey, I’ve been a long-time lurker on these boards and I really love and appreciate all you guys’ great perspectives on this great show.

    Like a bunch of other people (precious casual viewers- I’m casually ridiculously obsessed) I know, I went out of watching that episode last night thinking “that’s some of the worst TV I’ve ever seen ever.” It’s not a great way to go into the Olympic break, but apparently this episode wasn’t planned as an Olympic cliffhanger so I’m just going to hope for the best. Anyways I just wanted to let you guys know that I just saw on twitter that Schwartz and Fedak are going to answer some questions tonight, and also that Wendy (that somewhat of a Jesus-incarnate who launched the Subway campaign) said that she was allowed to visit the set for the taping of a later episode. She said have faith, so I guess I will. (http://bit.ly/dxW1Uv)

    Anyways, thanks again for this great, dare I say awesome, site, and I guess I’ll go back to working on my time machine. I’m going back to ancient Greece so I can stop the Olympics from ever happening. Or I’ll go three weeks into the future. Whatever’s easier.

  18. lou federico says:

    Great ratings for Chuck are down almost .3 of a percent. This is not good. At this point does a Save Chuck campaign need to start now. Heck i do not know if I want it saved after last night.

    Next Episode is make or break for Season 4. Need a nice boost from the “games”. Chuck needs to be at 2.5 to get renewed 2.2 will not cut it.

    • Jen says:

      I have to have faith on JS and CF that they know where they are going with the show (even if they have us confused right now) and i love it too much to abandon it. In the end, we know they are bringing C&S together and i have to think things will be explained.

      Let’s not abandon the show now. The fight to bring it back last year was too hard to let it slide now. Yes, there are too many questions after last night’s ep… but hold on and don’t go! Just wait and see what happens!

      • jason says:

        i would guess an olympic sized promo campaign would have to happen to draw the base back to episode 3.8, as well as some new viewers, to pop the rating number back into the 2.5/2.6 rating area. Might even have to show a glimpse cs doing the ‘deed’ – the ‘punch’ is old news, that hardly means a thing, we need more than a bone, we need an entire closet of skeletons!

        What I think the creative team does not understand, the viewers want positive chemistry EVERY WEEK, not a little alot, with maybe one meaningful challenge to one character or relationship, that gets resolved THAT NIGHT, not 7 to 13 episode long challenges to the show’s fanchise (i.e. CS) – there was very little to look forward to in 3.7, the start of 3.8 is even going to be more dreadful, even with a promise of a pretty good episode that night.

  19. jason says:

    2.2 million viewers, I was dreading the episode, and i like the show, and it was worse than I could have imagined, both in where it ended, and how it got there, seeing shaw with sarah at the end and the dissappointed look on her face, it was almost perverted, same with morgan’s face, thanks alot for that producers of chuck

    • weaselone says:

      Morgan doesn’t get to plant a flag on a woman and make it stick. Hannah’s shown she isn’t interested so the idea that Chuck is somehow personally wronging him is only a construct of his own mind.

      • jason says:

        really not blaming chuck, not even sure he knows how morgan feels, his look made up 5% of my bad feeling, sarah’s 95%, show left me feeling bad, not really anything a character did, more what the writers / creative staff did both that night and all season long

    • atcdave says:

      I’m with you all the way Jason. We knew this would be a bleak episode, and it was. This show has simply not been much fun this year, and Mask was rock bottom (I hope!). I do think we’ll have reason to be excited again after 3.08, but yeah, it may start pretty rough too.

    • amyabn says:

      Jason,
      just to clarify, 2.2 was the share, not millions of viewers. See below (the chart got a bit smushed-original content found at http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/02/09/tv-ratings-cbs-sees-post-super-bowl-boost-the-big-bang-theory-hits-series-highs-chuck-castle-drops/41462)

      Time Net Show 18-49 Rating/Sh Viewers (Millons)

      8:00 FOX House 5.1/13 13.55
      ABC The Bachelor: On The Wings of Love 3.8/10 11.62
      CBS How I Met Your Mother 3.8/10 10.11
      NBC Chuck 2.2/6 6.61
      CW One Tree Hill 1.1/3 2.22

  20. Who Dat says:

    TPTB are getting nervous, on twitter they are linking a great comment about how the scripts are written, and scenes are shot, and to give them a chance. From what I understand people are saying boycott, I dont know why, let the next few episodes play out, but I am reminded of the quote its always darkest before the dawn.
    At the very least this shipper is keeping the faith.

    • weaselone says:

      Boycotting is a bad idea unless it’s for a single episode. Otherwise it endangers the survival of the show.

    • Jen says:

      They also annouced that they’ll be answering questions tonight, i guess on Twitter. I hope we can all stay calm and just wait and see and peopel dont’ go boycotting the show liek you mentioned. If the show were to get cancelled for that reason it would be so terribly sad. This is a great show, the cast is amazing, let’s support them and not jump ship.

      Let’s just be of the idea that we have just not been told the whole story yet… and that is stiil coming and we won’t want to miss it!

      • Mike B says:

        I don’t Tweet, so I do you find out what was said?

      • Faith says:

        Mike B he posted this article:

        http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2010/02/the_doubleedged_sword_of_devot.html

        “CHUCK fans: http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2010/02/the_doubleedged_sword_of_devot.html
        about 2 hours ago from web”
        http://twitter.com/JoshSchwartz76

        And you don’t have to twit to go to their pages. It’s available for everyone.

      • joe says:

        Sorry, Faith. It happened again. Apparently the number of links is indeed something the filter is trigger happy about.

        I’ll see what I can do to fix that.

      • Faith says:

        No worries Joe. So long as you catch them 🙂

        And unfortunately I’ve been going on 3 years now blogging with WordPress, not fixable 😦

        Anyways here’s my reaction to the article:
        I’ve always been the far more rational, optimistic posters out here…but reading that article. I actually feel more insulted than anything.

        By no means does that make me turn it off but boy do I feel insulted.

      • atcdave says:

        It was quite the disingenuous piece. Post your opinion but don’t expect anyone to care? That seemed to be the writer’s point to me.

      • SWnerd says:

        It was a pretty condescending article and because of that I’m pretty sure it only served to further aggravate.

      • Mike B says:

        Like we, the fan base that have fought for this show, should take whatever they dish out and not voice our opinions. If they put out a stinker of an episode we have every right to call them on it.

      • Who Dat says:

        “By no means does that make me turn it off but boy do I feel insulted.”

        Faith i had similar concerns and was originally insulted, but then I had to remember that they are suffering tunnel vision. They know how the season will take place and they just don’t see the scenery. Up until last night they did not even realize that the fans would take it as sort of a cliffhanger.

        I’m hoping this will be a enterprise strikes back…when it first came out nobody was happy till jedi came out.

      • weaselone says:

        If you don’t like the last 15 minutes of the episode you’re automatically a crazy shipper who wants the show boycotted. I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again. This sort of application of the broad brush almost makes me want to convert to a flaming shipper. Shipper trolls are posting harsh responses to blogs and in the forums. The other side’s trolls are directing the show, running the most popular blogs, and writing for NPR.

      • SWnerd says:

        Join the dark side young Skywalker. 🙂

      • Faith says:

        Be a shipper. It’s a thankless but oh feels so good job.

        LOL.

        I can just imagine the Uncle Sam poster that says, “we want you!”

        Oh and Who Dat, I’m not insulted about the epi or the things that went on there. I think I’ve made my position clear. I’m insulted at the idea that just because “I’m a crazy shipper” I’m automatically irrational and don’t understand that the story needs to be told and not told my way. I never ASKED to have the story told my way, I don’t even care. What I care about is how the characters are portrayed and taken at face value (i.e. not what I did, or feel per my posts) the characters were definitely assassinated…OOC.

    • atcdave says:

      I agree I’m opposed to a boycott; I think natural market forces will take care of things in this case. We should be able to get the ratings back up with a good Olympic promotion campaign, but if we don’t have reason be excited quickly the numbers will shrink in a hurry. Hopefully, they will say something tonight that will not only excite us, but be useful for recruiting new viewers, and encouraging old ones.

      • amyabn says:

        I agree to saying NO to a boycott. However, I worked my best persuasive skills to get folks into Chuck (buying multiple copies of S1 and S2). This season has very little of the fun, romance, etc, that made me fall for the show and want others to enjoy. I’m not going anywhere-I’m hooked. But I just have a really hard time encouraging others to watch when I’m not having a very good time of it.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah, for now I’m not telling anyone. Until things change enough I can feel good about the show again, I’m not pushing for it.

  21. Stef62 says:

    I think the best we all can do is enjoy what is left of the season.

    Hope that the remaining viewing numbers hold up to get it to the end of the run, and hope that writers give us some sort of happy ending.

    Cause I doubt if we’ll see another year

    • JLR says:

      I don’t want to see another year if this is the type of product they’re going to give us. And contrary to popular belief, the Mask wasn’t the only bad episode this year…it was the worst one, but not the only bad one. Personally, the only episodes I liked were Angel of Death, Op Awesome & Nacho Sampler (for the Chuck character growth).

      • atcdave says:

        You’re generous, I would leave Nacho Sampler off the list. I’m hoping for a mood change after the Olympics; otherwise I agree, I’d rather it went away.

  22. Merve says:

    I’m going to break my own personal rule of never posting comments on blog posts, but I have a lot to say about this episode. I didn’t like this episode much, but it wasn’t necessarily the fact that there were PLIs. It was the way in which they were done.

    First off, I don’t think that this was major character assassination for Chuck or Sarah. I can believe that Chuck thinks it’s over for good between him and Sarah. I can further believe that Chuck is doubting the intentions of some Sarah’s initial actions towards him, i.e. he’s unsure of when her feelings became “real,” and as a result is questioning what might have initially attracted him to her. So, on some level, I can accept that Chuck would pursue Hannah after his declaration of love for Sarah (which happened before “the Nacho Sampler”). Does it make Chuck a bit of a flake? Maybe. But it’s at least somewhat believable.

    I can also believe that Sarah, seeing the changes in Chuck, seeing him become more cold and professional, is questioning whether the man with whom she fell in love is still there. I can believe that that she’s still hurt by the whole Prague incident. So, on some level, I can accept that she might pursue something with someone who she doesn’t find completely awful, just for the sake of comfort. Does it make Sarah seem (even more) insecure? Maybe. But again, it’s somewhat believable.

    The thing is: that wasn’t what we SAW in “the Mask.” Those reasons, to me, would be valid reasons for what happened in that episode, but those issues, raised (mainly) in “the Nacho Sampler,” weren’t even touched on here. So it made the whole PLI thing seem like a case of raging hormones or whatever other teenage romantic thingamabob you can think of. In fact, it was just jarring to see the tone of the drama shift so much, and it was compounded by the fact that I loved “the Nacho Sampler” so much. (I’d rank that episode up there with “Colonel” and “Tom Sawyer”…blasphemy to many of you, no doubt, hahaha…)

    But what I have the most trouble with is Shaw. I don’t understand on any level, how the man who was obviously still mourning the loss of his wife 3 episodes ago and warning Sarah about getting involved with spies 2 episodes ago could suddenly want to jump Sarah’s bones. It just doesn’t make sense. Shaw isn’t developed enough as a character for me to call this out-of-character, so instead I’ll just call it wildly inconsistent.

    This brings us to the “who’s playing whom?” scenarios. Based on Shaw’s look at the end of episode, along with the ominous music, I assume that he has some sort of agenda. Maybe he needs Chuck and Sarah apart for Chuck to become an emotionless super-assassin. Maybe he needs to use Sarah as bait to lure out the Ring. Maybe he needs Sarah for Omaha Project: the Sequel. I don’t know. I won’t speculate further because I’ve never been able to predict successfully what would happen in the spy arc of the story.

    Hannah could also be playing Chuck. She could be a plant by Shaw. (IMO, doubtful.) She could be working for the Ring. (IMO, even more doubtful.) She could be a corporate spy of some sort. (Funny, but doubtful.) She could even be a spy with her own agenda. (IMO, the least doubtful of the aforementioned scenarios, but still doubtful.) Most likely, though, I think that she has absolutely no link to the spy world and is just a nutcase who would be crazy enough to work a crappy retail job just because she has a crush on Chuck.

    Another possible scenario: Sarah and/or Chuck are playing their marks for information. Sarah wants to know what Shaw’s agenda is. This would explain why she so suddenly warms to him. Chuck is suspicious of Hannah’s sudden interest in him and is trying to figure out what she wants. This could turn out to be really funny, especially if Hannah’s really just a lovestruck fool and Chuck is completely wasting his time.
    The problem with any of these scenarios is that we didn’t really see much evidence of them in this episode. That would make a “Haha, fooled you! Chuck and Sarah were playing them!” kind of reveal shocking, which is good, but also kind of cheap. I really appreciate how some of you guys have gone over the episode with a fine-toothed comb looking for evidence, because it presents some cool ideas, but I honestly don’t think that think that any part of this scenario is likely.

    So what do I suspect? Shaw is playing Sarah. Everything else is “real.” Or at least quasi-real. And I think that the punch has to do with Chuck finding out about Shaw’s machinations. IMO, this is a relatively likely scenario with minimal character assassination, and it doesn’t make Shaw’s character seem inconsistent.

    I think that there was a half a good episode buried in here. The spy story of the week was relatively entertaining. The Morgan-Ellie subplot was absolutely hilarious and gave Ellie some of her funniest material since “the Truth.” If this were all structured around a slightly different Sarah-Shaw-Chuck-Hannah-Morgan dynamic, the product might have been a great episode.

    Am I going to abandon the show for this? Definitely not. That would be beyond silly. I didn’t much like the first two episodes of this season. I didn’t see how they were going to recover from “the Three Words.” But then the show knocked it out of the park 4 episodes in a row, IMO. For me to seriously consider abandoning a show, it has to show a clear, multi-episode trend of self-sabotage. (The only show that I watch that has come close to that is 30 Rock.) Chuck isn’t even close to that yet.

    But then again, I’m a perennial optimist. Maybe the cynics are right, haha…

    • atcdave says:

      Excellent first post Merve, thanks for speaking up. You know I have a different take on much of what you said, but the discussion always keeps things lively. I’m not really so good at predicting the spy story either, but every now and then I get bragging rights! Given that I’ve only enjoyed 2 of the first seven episodes, the discussion is better for me than the show.

  23. weaselone says:

    There are times when I can’t help but question whether the executive producers and writers actually watch their own show. Several points have been discussed at length regarding the characters of Chuck and Sarah, but another glaring example which can not be explained by the need to rush at the end of the episode is the declaration by the entire team that the Intersect is destined for solo operation.

    When I read heard this, my response was WTF? We had just watched an episode where it was demonstrated repeatedly that team mates were essential to carrying out successful missions.

    1. Working independently with Casey in the van Shaw is unable to retrieve the mask.
    2. Without timely backup from Chuck, Shaw dies.
    3. Without and assist by Hannah with the security system, Shaw dies.
    4. Chuck and Sarah succeed together where Shaw alone fails.
    5. Without Shaw in the van as backup, Chuck would have been exposed while stealing the mask.
    6. Without Chuck and Casey, Sarah and Shaw die as the result of cyclosarin exposure.
    7. Without both Casey and Chuck present, saving Hannah and saving Sarah and Shaw becomes an either/or option.
    8. Without Shaw, Sarah dies in the Castle.

    Not only is it inconsistent with what we see with the episode and the entire series regarding teamwork, it directly conflicts with what we learn about the Intersect project during the Season 2 finale. Sarah is made the project leader and Chuck is offered a position as an analyst on the project. When Bryce emerges, he comments “Walker and Larkin together again.” That strongly indicates that Sarah is not going to be sitting somewhere in Washington while Bryce goes around saving the world and occasionally comes back for a quickie. When Bryce converses with Orion at the reception he indicates that he asked Chuck to be on his team. The implication is that the human Intersect is going to have a whole team of analysts and possibly agents and other forces supporting him, including Sarah as the team leader and likely partner in the field. So exactly how to we go from team Bryce to Chuck, army of one?

    • Mike B says:

      Excellent points. It has always been my contention that the fans pay more attention to the details then TPTB. Just like how does Chuck having a secret girlfriend explain why Devon was acting so strangely. How could Ellie not see Casey as the suspected assassin in Angel of Death..etc..etc They change the previous storylines to fit the current story they are trying to tell.

      • weaselone says:

        All shows have minor flaws that crazy fans obsess over. The problem is that this really isn’t a small point. Beckman’s job offers to Chuck and Sarah and Bryce’s return is a key series of scenes in the Ring. The Intersect is the core of the show’s whole mythology.

    • atcdave says:

      I think its just sloppy continuity. The show has always played a little loose with details, its just easier to overlook when everything is fun.

  24. Rick Holy says:

    One doesn’t have to be a “rabid shipper” to realize that one of the strongest aspects of the show – the interaction/chemistry between Chuck & Sarah (Levi & Strahovski) is being WAY under-utilized in this 3rd Season.

    Especially after the end of S2 would lead not only the die-hard fan, but evan the average fan – to believe that the show would move in the direction of a stronger focus on Chuck & Sarah in S3. Not to say that they’d be all “peaches and cream,” but at least a more (God, I hate to use this terminology) “Charah-centered” focus to the show in regared to Chuck’s “moving forward” as a spy.

    Some angst? Sure. But also sufficient fun, light-hearted and even tender/charming moments. Those have been sorely lacking. I know S3 was supposed to be a “reset” of sorts, but “No More Mr. Nice Spy” has kind of turned into “Very Little Enjoyable Show!”

    Well we have what? 5 or 6 more shows left of this 13 episode arc? Hopefully they’ll be alittle MORE Levi-Strahovski centric episodes and also a little mroe of the light hearted, goofy humor that we’ve grown accustomed to over the first two seasons.

    So far, the only thing that S3 has done for me is appreciate S2 much more than I did at first viewing. There were great (and sometimes very touching) moments between Chuck and Sarah, Chuck and Ellie, Chuck and Morgan – Heck, even Chuck and Casey. Now it seems like you really have to stretch to find those moments in Season 3.

    • Jen says:

      I Feel the same way. I admit to being a “shipper”, but i enjoy the whole as a show, i enjoy all the actors and their performances, even the Buy More antics. I gathered from that interview yesterday w JS and CF that they have a story to tell. For some reason their story HAS to take the direction it has taken. I don’t see how it adds to the big picture, but it sounded to me from what they said that it does. We’ll just have to wait and see. I’m sure the fact that originally they only had 13 eps to tell their sotry is contributing to everything feeling rushed.

      I feel a little mislead. The ending of Season 2 hinted to a bigger C&S relationship and we have gotten completely the opposite… the same inability to speak to one another and the misundertanding, the PLIs. The fact that our expections were not met has us all in shock. Add to that the changes that have to happen in Chuck now that he is becoming a spy and then all the plot holes and that leaves us “addicts” afrustrated. Why hint towards a bigger focus on the C&S relationship to then “apparently” knock it all down and go through the same PLIs situations again?? Maybe there is a bigger purpose for them and i hope there is. It’s the only thing that can excuse their being in the show.

    • atcdave says:

      A couple of good posts here. You know I agree. Even apart from any feelings about the actual quality of the show, the mood has changed so dramatically its not even the same program. Right from the premier, I remember my wife saying “enough for tonight” after Pink Slip. She had no interest in another episode. I think that sums up the season well. Its been a drag, I would have never stuck with this show if started like this back in S1. It does sound like we’ll see more of Levi and Strahovski together towards the end of the season; but so far it is a giant, tragic missed opportunity. I have doubts the show will survive to a fourth season to make amends.

      • Rick Holy says:

        A fourth season will be a gift – make that a MIRACLE – at this point. Yes, they may have a story to tell, but to change the overall “flavor” of a show this dramatically – especially with what the end of S2 seemed to be leading up to – is a prescription for trouble.

        I’m no professional TV writer – so I know I can’t appreaciate all the difficulties they face – but c’mon! Things could have been done so much differently with the Chuck and Sarah “spy life” dyanamic – even with the angst factor – and yet still have retained the overall “Chuckness” of the show.

        I’m hoping that the remainder of this 13 episode arc and the back 6 will be looking “up.” I fear, however, that it may be too late. If you have the loyal “been through it all” fans gettig disgusted, just imagine how the casual fans have felt. They’ve already tuned out and turned off.

        Really, a S4 of THIS? It’s never going to be more than a 2.x in the demos – not after the golden opportunity that the show runners had with all the promo prior to the January return – only to let it – as Paul Simon (the singer, not the former Illinois Senator) would say, allow such “Slip slidin’ away!

      • Jen says:

        I sure hope we make it to a 4th. It would be terribly sad if the show doesn’t make it. I love the characters and appreciate the actors too much. I have to accept that i had expectations for this season. I can understand a darker tone because of what Chuck is going through, but the characters not being any smarter with each other after almost 3 years is what i don’t like. I’ve watched other shows where the main relationship in the show doesn’t get resolved until the very end of the show, and that to me that “dragging us along” isn’t fun. In this show’s case, the C&S aspect is too huge to part from it and not exploit it, liek u said.
        Im not going anywhere, so we are all goign along in this ride.

      • ReadySet says:

        You know, I don’t want a fourth season. I really do want it to end after episode 19. Why? Because what kind of insane grief do you think they’ll give poor Chuck and Sarah as a couple? These will be the two unhappiest, unlucky people on the face of the planet.

        So, please, let’s have a happy ending in 13, a few episodes of fun and a series finale in e19.

      • SWnerd says:

        I hear you on that. My parents are currently watching my season 2 DVDs and I’m thinking about telling them to just stop at Colonel and say hey they all live happily ever after. Just wish I could have done that. If only…

      • atcdave says:

        I think the majority of fans wanted a fun spy-couple themed show for S3. Almost everyone would have enjoyed Chuck learning how to use the new intersect, while Casey and Sarah covered his screw-ups and helped him learn real spy skills. Maybe Chuck and Sarah as a real couple hiding their relationship from an always suspicious General Beckman. Even convincing her eventually they’d been together as partners so long, they needed a “fake” wedding to continue providing cover for Chuck’s friends and family. The general finally catches on late in S4 when the fake marriage has a real pregnancy to deal with……

        Of course, this would be a much sillier show than what we currently have. But that’s kind of what I signed up for. I used to consider Chuck a slightly more serious show than Psych; now its a slightly darker show than Burn Notice. Not my preference at all.

      • Faith says:

        I like a dark Chuck, I expected it and resigned myself to the eventuality of losing the fun,
        quirky aspect of the show but through it all I had hoped that the core essence of Chuck: these two people caring and putting each other above it all continues. Thus far? On paper/face value? Big fat zero. That more than anything is responsible for the breakdown. When these people are no longer the ones you root for the magic is gone.

        That is of course at face value lol. Ugh I’m really banking on that mask…

      • SWnerd says:

        I can honestly say that the lighthearted fun of Chuck was the major draw for me. When the airwaves are full of all these melodramas and crime procedurals, it was a refreshing alternative. But that’s gone and they’ve conformed it to typical television formula. *sigh*

      • Jen says:

        Dave, Faith… you have expressed my feelings exaclty! Dave, those were my exact expectations.. the expectation we all had, so now we are broken hearted. Instead we are back to the same ol’ stuff. I do think that if Chuck becomes a spy, the tone get a little darker, and i’m OK with that, but the core of the show, C&S as a pair, isn’t taken seriously, then the heart is gone and you can’t care as much for a show with no heart. So my hope is that towards the end of this season C&S become the focus again and they stop the dreadful WTWT thing which by now is older than old.

        Still, i do wish for a season 4, and i hope that all of use participating on this blog dicide to stick it out. JS and CF promised big things for the end of this season, so let’s see what those are.. we may all be very pleasently surpised.

      • Faith says:

        SWNerd, If I’m not mistaken coming into this season, with the plans and intentions they had even then…they knew they would probably alienate a large percentage of the same people that gave them renewed life. But they had to take that chance to continue with that life. I don’t know exactly how the experiment is going…outside of the Chuckapocalypse in 2/8 but for the most part I think it’s favorable. I know people who have never watched Chuck tune in this year and actually enjoy it. But even they are skeptical and actually far more logical about the Mask than we are. I think, at least for me, I am clouded by the beauty and the feelings of seasons past. Though again it helped to know how bad it was for you guys, it forced me to think far more rationally than I probably would have after watching it.

        Jen, if there’s one thing that’s keeping my faith (ha) it’s the fact that the writers KNOW and have stated that for them too C/S is the heart of the show. So we may get bumps here and there but through it all C/S remains its heart.

        You know someone joked to me at the boards the other day that if 3.7 is Beefcake #2 on steroids, then Colonel #2 is coming up and we just better fasten up our seatbelts LOL.

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