The Totally Awesome And Epic Pre-Final Exam Speculation Post


Well the pre-screeners haven’t teased that, so I will.  Monday night is gonna change the rules.  Even by the show runners standards, things have to change.  To limit possible spoilerage, I’ll hold off on the rest till after the jump.

Chuck Versus The Final Exam will air this Monday night.  Chuck is given one mission to utilize all his skills and prove himself as an agent, or he’ll be flunked and dropped back into his old life according to Sarah.  Yeah, anyone think that’s going to happen any more than you thought Casey was going to kill Chuck at the end of First Date?  Chuck will pass, somehow.  We already know that in 3.12 (according to the synopsis) Chuck is given his pick of the best CIA agents for his new undercover operation.  So he passes, and so does the last of the lame devices TPTB can use to keep Chuck and Sarah apart.  This year “keeping Chuck’s emotions in check” has been the one stop shop for Sarah to maintain distance, not talk, interrupt Chuck (as we saw in Tic Tac) before he divulges his true feelings, and all the rest of the angst.  Why can’t they talk?  Have to keep Chuck’s emotions in check.  Why can’t Sarah go to him at the end of Three Words or Nacho Sampler?  Have to keep his emotions in check.  But I don’t think it means what we think it means.  Indulge me in some wild speculation.

Chuck is an emotionally healthy guy for the most part.  He’s open, he cares, he apologizes, makes things right, spy life has put a crimp in it, but we saw with Morgan that he’s come out the other side and he’ll manage to make things work.  But what about Sarah?  We’ve all remarked that they seem to be putting a lot more emphasis on Sarah’s journey this season.  I wonder why?  Well not really.  We all know she’s part of Chuck’s journey and he part of hers.  But Sarah, based on the structure, either reached, or is about to bottom out.  Seeing Chuck strangling the Ring agent and deciding to run away from Chuck the person, as opposed to Chuck her fantasy puppydog nice guy incapable of hurting anyone, especially her is about to come to a head.  Why do I think so?  Chuck is about to pull the trigger, and Sarah put the gun in his hand and told him he had to.

Yep, Chuck will pull the trigger (here’s the wild spec part I will do my best to forget when I watch).  We started this season with Chuck, even in a simulation, not being able to pull the trigger and flunking spy school because of it (and oddly dropped back into his old life).  So now the teasers give us another situation where Chuck has to decide if he can pull the trigger, even if it means losing everything, including Sarah.  They’ll find a way for Chuck to pull the trigger.  My theory is because, intersect or not, Chuck has proven himself capable, if only he could defend himself, intersect or not.

So what are the possibilities as to how Chuck can pull the trigger on an unarmed man begging for his life?  This is what we call a faulty premise.  How do we know that is the real moment of decision?  Because they showed us it in a preview?  Just like the punch.  The possibilities friends, are endless.  Maybe the “unarmed” man isn’t unarmed.  Maybe it’s someone else Chuck has to shoot?  I have this sneaking suspicion that we don’t have the full story yet.  And isn’t it interesting that it’s Sarah that gives him the gun and the assignment.  Would Sarah do that?  Because she knows that some day he’ll have to, and if he can’t when he has to, he’ll die.  So this is the final test, and we know he passes.  TPTB will find a way for Chuck to pull the trigger.  But will it mean what we think it means?

Here we get to the second wild speculation part.  It’s a setup.  I know, I’m writing the story and giving TPTB perhaps too much credit, but come on, they are endlessly self referential.  I think this is a replay of the season opener, except that instead of Chuck knowing it’s not real and not being able to pull the trigger, he won’t know it’s not real and will pull the trigger.  And Beckman et al will know that if he has to, Chuck can pull the trigger.  Can’t be afraid to pull the trigger as Big Mike says, and Chuck’s double secret probation will end.  He’ll be a spy.  There will probably be some trust angst with Sarah over this, but hey, it’s Chuck, he’ll get over it.

Which brings us to Sarah.  Have to keep Chuck’s emotions in check.  So she can’t go to him after she sees his confession of love at the end of Three words, or while he’s drinking alone at the end of Nacho Sampler?  Nope.  Why, Chuck could use her, he needs her support, he needs to be able to tell her his feelings to work.  Why can’t they talk?

Because Sarah can’t handle it.  The dam is about to break, and she’ll spill everything, and if Chuck had started that conversation, the one they’ve needed all season, Sarah knows it’d end up with her in tears confessing all, and Chuck broken, again.  Sarah can’t keep it all in anymore.  Shaw was a pressure valve.  Chuck, well he’s about to see another side of Sarah.  (Again.)

Things are about to get interesting, in my humble opinion.


About Ernie Davis

I was born in 1998, the illegitimate brain child and pen name of a surly and reclusive misanthrope with a penchant for anonymity. My offline alter ego is a convicted bibliophile and causes rampant pognophobia whenever he goes out in public. He wants to be James Lileks when he grows up or Dave Barry if he doesn’t.  His hobbies are mopery, curling and watching and writing about Chuck.  Obsessively.  Really, the dude needs serious help.
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109 Responses to The Totally Awesome And Epic Pre-Final Exam Speculation Post

  1. Waverly says:

    I’ll speculate further: Chuck secretly realizes that the gun is non-lethal, and therefore doesn’t mind trying to use it.

  2. Waverly says:

    Another topic I haven’t seen anyone talking about: what job did Beckman offer to Sarah on the airplane to DC? All that we know is that it involves moving to Washington.

    In other words, what alternatives does Sarah have? My first reaction was that it would have no involvement with Chuck. But why not? Maybe Beckman is setting up a new team composed of Sarah and Chuck, under the assumption that Chuck will pass his final test.

    • Paul says:

      We have seen this season that Sarah is disillusioned with the espionage game. Honestly, I think she could leave it all behind at this point, and if it wasn’t for Chuck, probably already would have. I think DC was meant as an enticing “out” for her. Out of the field, out of the life of lies, and out of the life of the one person who could discombobulate her. I DON’T think DC was meant to be taken as a life with Shaw, because quite frankly, even if she were to leave and be with him in DC, it likely wouldn’t have lasted anyways. DC is about Sarah running away from her hurts.

      • weaselone says:

        The one problem being that Sarah could have just left the espionage world after Chuck refused to leave in Prague.

        Also, I consider the whole “Sarah desperately wants out of the spy world” thing a serious bit of force fed retconning. In the Ring she’s leaving with Bryce up until the second wedding so the idea that the spy world doesn’t continue to hold allure or at least a level of comfort for Sarah is pretty much ridiculous.

      • Paul says:

        End of S2, had Orion not interrupted would have had Sarah confessing to Chuck that she wanted to stay with him, in all liklihood leaving the spy game for good. In fact, if you look at her lips, she mouthed the word, but didn’t say it, so the seed was already planted. Her leaving with Byrce seemed to come out of the blue for her and you can see how conlficted she was about it. Love or job?

        But why didn’t she leave after Prague? Because at the time, she didn’t want a “normal life” without Chuck. Further, she had nowhere to go, and nothing to connect her to the real world (ie Chuck). So she stayed. Fast forward 8 months. It’s a different situation now and she is a different woman. Her fears are coming to life. Chuck is changing. She is more emotinal now and now considers her own needs vs the job (which she never did before). She is voicing her concerns about realizing she is losing herself. So why doesn’t she leave now? Simple: Chuck still needs her. But what if Chuck doesn’t anymore? Then there is no reason to stay.

      • weaselone says:

        What I meant was that episode 3.01 begins with Sarah asking Chuck to run away with her. We go from Sarah barely being willing to stay in the normal world with Chuck to wanting to go on the run with him, giving up both a normal life and spy life in what amounts to a couple of minutes.

      • Paul says:

        I wouldn’t say barely willing to stay in the real world. Rewatch the past seasons. There were some pretty blatant hints all over S2 and some parts of S1 of Sarah’s desire for a normal life, and some not so blatant hints that she wanted it with Chuck. She may have DECIDED to take that plunge over a span of a couple of minutes (actually likely over the day or so from the 1st wedding to the beach one), but the desire has been there for a long, long time. Sarah can be impulsive sometimes as well. That has been shown too. The Prague decision wasn’t the most well thought out one, I will be the first to admint, but the desire wasn’t out of the blue.

      • Crumby says:

        Yeah I agree with you Paul. In The Ring, Sarah as decided to stay with Chuck, when she “told” Bryce she wasn’t coming with him at the second wedding on the beach. Then, she tried to tell Chuck about it when they were dancing but Papa B interrupted them.
        After two years with him, Chuck finally got her to agree that she “wanted more” too, she “wanted a life, a real life”. She didn’t “want to save the world” anymore. But then Bryce was killed and Chuck downloaded the Intersect 2.0 in his brain. Everything changed.

        In Pink Slip we saw that Sarah didn’t want Chuck to become a spy. She was afraid of who he’d become. “If you do this, if you go, you’re gonna be a spy for the rest of your life. Every city is gonna be a new mission and a new identity, and you’re not gonna be the same person.” So she tried to get him out before it would be too late. Obviously, that wasn’t her smartest move. Chuck running away from his family and friend is not what I’d call a normal and real life. “We go now, and we never look back.” Doesn’t really sound like Chuck.

        But like she said, she “acted impulsively”. I guess she was a little lost at that point. The normal life with Chuck she thought about was gone. She just lost one of her friend, Bryce, even though she didn’t love him she cared for him (remember her “Don’t you touch him”). She lost a friend and she doesn’t have many. I think that was just the “simpler” way to save Chuck and their relationship she could think of. “It’s not that simple. You don’t know who you’re working for. It’s complicated. Nothing is real. This… This is simple. This is a real life.”

        But what’s clear to me, is that she wanted a life WITH Chuck. “We could run. Together. You and me.” “I’m saying I want to be a real person again, with you.” She didn’t want a real life, and Chuck happened to be around. It was Chuck that made her want that life she never thought she could have before. That’s why she didn’t quit after Prague.

  3. atcdave says:

    Some really good comments Joe, except you rather humorously used the wrong form of dam (or did you mean to condemn Sarah?). you may be overthinking the gun/fake gun thing. But I bet you’re right on the waterworks.

  4. JC says:

    So how does this tie into winning Sarah back?

    Is she forced to leave? Does she leave on her own? Or do we get some actually anger from Chuck about it and he pushes her away?

    • JC says:

      So I just found an interview with Mark Sheppard.

      I think he spoils a lot but not directly.

    • Paul says:

      I think it is simply that Chuck has to show her that he is still the guy she fell in love with. Sarah’s problem wasn’t in him killing, it’s what killing (and by extension the whole spy life) was going to do to change him.

      • JC says:

        I agree that will play some part in it. Although I do think Sarah will have to meet him halfway.

        But obviously whatever happens test or real something makes Sarah leave.

        We know from the promo and spoilers that Prague is talked about and they almost kiss. So some kind of reconnection happens. Now I’m assuming this happens before he’s ordered to kill his target.

        So either they don’t talk after and she runs or they do and she still leaves. After either of those scenarios I have to ask why is Chuck trying to win her back?
        There has to be something else going on.

      • Paul says:

        I believe they reconnect, they bare their hearts. Chuck finally learns how Sarah feels about him (which I think is the BIG mental block that prevents him from really going after her), and that is the opening he needs for 3.12. Chuck sees that Chuck is basically still the same guy…for now.

        As far as the test, I do believe something happens that makes her decide she probably should leave, but doesn’t go through with it (likely because Chuck requests her as his partner next eps). I believe that in 3.12 is where Sarah has her realization that Chuck can be both spy and nice guy at the same time, which is really HER last hang-up.

      • atcdave says:

        I’m thinking Sarah’s decision to leave may have more to do with the spy life in general. Chuck will have to convince her that she can have a real life and a spy life with him; and perhaps “spies don’t fall in love” is a rule just made to be broken.

      • Paul says:

        ACTdave, I agree that the overarching reason is her dissatisfaction with the spy life. I think whatever happens in the test only confirms that disatisfaction.

  5. Merve says:

    I think that Chuck definitely will pull the trigger, but I don’t think it will be lethal. He might kneecap the guy or something like that.

  6. Faith says:

    While I don’t think/agree he pulls the trigger and passes…what other game changer can there be?

    Also if I’m not mistaken Chuck and Sarah will talk. About Prague, etc. I’m stacking up on Kleenex preemptively.

    I find it interesting that the focus for once is about Chuck and not Shaw. 😉 Progress? A sign of things finally getting “interesting”? Although spoilers aside I might be getting ahead of myself.

  7. joe says:

    I’m developing a great fear of those promos, clips and spoilers. I haven’t been able to resist them, but I certainly can’t say they haven’t misled me.

  8. Gord says:

    I don’t think he will pull the trigger, but will find a way to pass without killing.
    I do agree though if there is something beyond what the promo is showing he could be given the right circumstances to shoot.
    Less than two days until we really know what happens and whatever it is, I’m looking forward to it.

    By the way E! Chuck/Sarah poll is in the final round. So far we are ahead by a little bit.

    • Jen says:

      Beating Ross and Rachel is gonna be tough… but i’ll continue to vote away!

    • Faith says:

      ok got it up to 53.7 lol. That’s it for me for the night…

      More tomorrow!

    • Merve says:

      The irony is that Chuck and Sarah have never been a real couple. They wouldn’t exactly be deserving of the title if they won (unless, of course, they get together for real in the near future).

      • Paul says:

        Sorta. If you take a close look back on S1 and S2, while Sarah always stated it was “only a cover”, she treated their relationship as real (or at least as real as she’s ever allowed something to be). Hence the hurt she always shows when Chuck “breaks up” with her, and the jealousy of Lou and Jill. It’s that mixed message that had Chuck so confused (aside from his inability to read women in the first place).

      • SWnerd says:

        Yeah I voted for Chuck and Sarah because I love them, but you’re right, they don’t deserve it. They aren’t even together, nor have they really ever been. And this season has proved that whatever their relationship is, it isn’t deserving of a top couple title. However, I don’t really like Ross and Rachel either. They kind of annoyed me. I think Jim and Pam deserved it the most because they are freaking adorable.

      • Merve says:

        I’d always vote for Chuck and Sarah over Ross and Rachel. Ross and Rachel had zero chemistry together. They were one of TV’s most unbelievable couples. Monica and Chandler were far more interesting to watch. My point is that Chuck and Sarah might be more interesting to watch when they finally do get together. The fact that Zac and Yvonne work so well with each other might help be a bit more like Monica and Chandler and a lot less like Ross and Rachel.

      • Faith says:

        Hmm, I feel like I should defend Ross and Rachel. I did love them so…but yeah definitely not the way to handle a ‘ship.

      • Merve says:

        I didn’t mind Ross and Rachel until the relationship turned Ross from an awkward, sweet, caring man into a jealous, possessive, angry jerk.

        For me TV relationships work when they amplify the good qualities of the people involved (and amplify the faults of those people only for comedic effect). They might bring out other facets of the characters involved, but they shouldn’t transform the characters’ essential natures. I hope that when Chuck and Sarah are finally brought together, they maintain their personalities. More than “artificially” keeping them apart, that would be a real show killer.

      • Faith says:

        agreed. For my part I intensely disliked that they used the ‘ship merely as a ratings tool. The whole crashing Ross’ wedding was to get sweeps and ratings to where it needed to be when the show was actually no longer funny. Then of course once the ratings delivered they said a swift screw you to the fans by having Rachel be “kidding.” It continued in later years of course.

        But still, I don’t know maybe it’s nostalgia, but I love them. I still watch my s2 and s10 dvd every once in awhile.

    • amyabn says:

      I keep voting too. Maybe if Sarah and Chuck win, TPTB will finally get it-put them together already! Ok, so I’m being optimistic again. Shoot me!

      • weaselone says:

        Ummm…wouldn’t this be more likely to cause them to think that they were handling the Chuck-Sarah relationship perfectly given they’re the favorite couple?

      • amyabn says:

        I hope that with all the flack their getting on the various boards and the flagging ratings yet the dynamic duo win should show them that together is better than all this angst. It’s like they win in spite of this angst filled season. Which means that you are probably right and JS and CF will take it as a triumph for the ages. Crap!

      • amyabn says:

        “they’re” not “their.” Sorry!

    • Gord!Ijust saw ep.11 of Chuck great eposode! Chuck did not pull the trigger it was Casey who killed the man.Sarah do not know it was Casey who pulled the trigger, she thinks it’s Chuck who pulled the trigger. Casey told Chuck don’t tell nobody about this,not even Sarah.

  9. JC says:

    I just hope this the episode where we start getting answers.

    Three episodes left and there’s so much that needs to be explained.

  10. Paul says:

    “Because Sarah can’t handle it. The dam is about to break, and she’ll spill everything, and if Chuck had started that conversation, the one they’ve needed all season, Sarah knows it’d end up with her in tears confessing all, and Chuck broken, again. Sarah can’t keep it all in anymore. Shaw was a pressure valve. Chuck, well he’s about to see another side of Sarah. (Again.)”

    This is exactly the reason why I think Sarah has been stand-offish this season. The reason for the walls she re-erected at the beginning of 3.01 changed throughout the season. In the beginning, it was about her hurt and anger about Prague. However, the reasons slowly changed and morphed into the reason we have the wall now: Sarah loves Chuck too much and if she is to be successful in cutting ties to let him become “the perfect spy”, she can’t show ANY weakness or ANY emotions to him. The analogy of the dam you used is accurate and if she were ever to have a real heart-to-heart with him, that dam would break (which I have a sneaky suspicion that is going to happen next eps… to an extent).

  11. Big Kev says:

    Some great specs here, as always. How about this one out of left field? Sarah is ordered by Shaw to tell Chuck that the final part of the mission is to kill the mark – but it’s actually just a set up. Chuck doesn’t kill him, and in fact passes the test because he has proved that he can make his own decisions based on the needs of the mission, and is no longer influenced by Sarah or his feelings for her.
    Sarah, heartbroken, tells Shaw what she really thnks of him, returns to DC for reassignment disgusted with what she has had to do, and convinced that Chuck is better off without her. The end of the episode is Chuck finding out that the test was a set up, and believes that Sarah is the one who set him up with her orders. Cue cliffhanger and much wailing and gnashing of teeth….

    • Paul says:

      The only problem with this spec as I see it is that at the end of 3.11, we have to be in a position for Chuck to WANT Sarah back, and for Sarah to be receptive to Chuck’s advances. Your spec would have likely work if the resolution to their relationship is in the back 6 (which I don’t think it is), as it we would need more time to bring us back to the precipice of them being back together (as we are now).

      • Big Kev says:

        I think all it would take would be an admission from Sarah that she was ordered to do it, and Chuck would fogive her. They could also play it that Sarah gives the order not knowing it’s a set up – which is easily fixed if her and Chuck can ever have an uninterrupted conversation. It’s a nice spec, but I’m not prescient enough to think it will actually happen!
        Various boards and blogs are suggesting that Sarah and Shaw come to a definitive end in 3.11 – but no doubt there will be some misunderstanding or miscommunication between Chuck and Sarah before the final resolution.
        I do think that the end of Sarah and Shaw will somehow play into what Shaw devises for Chuck’s final test.

      • JLR says:

        @Big Kev: You thinking Shaw is gonna get a bit douchy?

      • Big Kev says:

        Yeah, I am. He’s going to use Sarah somehow to play with Chuck’s emotions and that’s going to be part of the test. Can Chuck still flash and make the right decisions when his emotions are at boiling point? It’s just a question of how manipulative (in the name of testing Chuck, of course) Shaw wants to be. Abd I’m guessing at some point, Chuck will find out.

      • Paul says:

        I think the the reconnection between Chuck and Sarah is more an unintended consequence (a happy accident to quote Bob Ross) of them being together on a stakeout which turns into a sorta date for them. I don’t think Shaw is ‘using’ her. I think both Chuck and Sarah realize this might be the last time they get to talk to each other about each other and they tkae advantage of the opportunity. I also think it will be Shaw who will interrupt their “almost kiss” and this may be an impetus for their break-up.

    • Waverly says:

      Another problem with such speculation is that Shaw has got to know, or at least suspect, that Chuck would never believe that Sarah would give such an explicit order to him and want him to do it.

      In Fake Name, when Sarah “apprehended” Chuck acting as Rafe, she told him to live the lie, to do what Rafe would do. But Chuck interpreted that to mean to not kill all of the “good guys”, when he had some reason to believe that the real Rafe really would have killed some or all of them.

      Having Sarah deliver a kill order is a lot weaker test than having Shaw or Beckman do it.

    • atcdave says:

      I don’t know so much about the CIA, but certainly in the regular armed forces an immoral order is considered an illegal order. Not to say its ever easy for a well trained soldier to disobey; but they are certainly instructed on the theoretical possibility of having to. So perhaps, recognizing in improper order could be what its all about. Of course, the writers have always shown a lack of subtlety on these issues; and Beckman acts with no moral compass at all, so we’re probably over-thinking things again.

      • Paul says:

        I dont’ think it’s necessarily a lack of morality when dealing with the “spy-world”, but a DIFFERENT SET of moralities. Remember, the spy-world exists so that governments can get around conventional moralities and laws.

    • Big Kev.I just watched ep.11 great episode! Sarah is ordered by Shaw to tell Chuck to kill the mark but Chuck did not kill the mark,it was Casey who kill the mark not Chuck, but Sarah doesn’t now it.

      All she saw was the mark laying there on the ground dead and Chuck standing over him with the gun in his hand.Chuck saw Casey pull the trigger.

      Ep.12 is going to be exciting that’s when Casey helps Chuck win Sarah back maybe by telling her that it was him that kill the mark, not Chuck.

  12. JLR says:

    Grrr…. Ernie, I just noticed you squeezed into the article header every expression used by “certain people” to promote every upcoming episode all season long (“EPIC! AWESOME! BEST EPISODE EVER! A GAME CHANGER!”).

    Yeah, I do get that you were being facetious…….I think…..I hope. 🙂

  13. Rick Holy says:

    Here we go again. The OVERuse of superlatives to describe upcoming episodes/events in Chuckland. In the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly, Ausiello has an article about the two-hour season finale to be aired on May 24 (“Chuck Finale Will Shock, Satisfy, and Disturb).

    The optimist in me says it will have a little bit of “something” that will leave the fans “happy” and excited about the possibility of a Season 4. (As opposed to what we’ve dealt with up to this point).

    The pessimist in me say it will have a little bit of “something” to piss off different segments of fans who will wind up not caring if Season 4 materializes or not.

    So it’s “heads or tails” time! The optimist in me hopes it’s heads, and the fans WILL be excited and looking forward to a Season 4.

    J.S. says in the interview that there will be “two game-changing twists” that will top last year’s!

    At least, thankfully, the over-used word “EPIC” wasn’t mentioned in the article to describe what’s in store.

    The next three episodes for me are critical. Let’s end this 13 episode story arc WELL, please, So we have reason to get hyped up about the “back six.”

    Unanswered questions, unspoken conversations, contrived “interruptions,” etc., etc., won’t do. Not this season. I hope they realize that.

  14. amyabn says:

    Here is just a question for everyone (doesn’t deserve a new entry): other than the initial Josh Schwartz tweet of trying to rally the fans, what else has there been in the way of TPTB trying to encourage us? I only use twitter for Chuck (when we were doing Chuck Me Mondays) and that’s about it.
    A lot of you are more savvy on these things, so I was wondering if any more spoilers, mea culpas, apologies, or explanations have come out. Thanks!

    • JAB says:

      Actually, when I first saw that tweet my first thought was “just wait it will get better”.

      I haven’t heard anything new after this.

    • herder says:

      Nothing like that that I have seen, although JS did tweet that people should use their nerd herder and spy skills to find and recruit nielsen families and failing that get people to watch on monday.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I think that may have been a panic tweet, and he probably realized it didn’t go over very well pretty quickly given the mood of a lot of the fan base.

      I think, and I know some disagree, that Schwartz and Fedak are well aware there was a problem with some episodes and that they did end up causing fan fatigue. We can and have examined the reasons ad nauseum and they don’t all land at the feet of Schwartz and Fedak, but I think given the pre-screeners releases, the big spoilers and casting releases they are trying to let the fan base know they get it and are working very hard to fix it.

      My guess is that the transition to the new Chuck is already mostly done. Tic Tac showed the level of drama, a bit more comedy would be nice, and we’ll probably see the romance soon. From the looks of the spoilers the reset to the new series format will be complete by about 3.14 and 3.15.

      • JAB says:

        This reset would have been nice around 3.07 / 3.08. I somehow don’t see the first 2 season 3 DVD’s getting much use.

      • herder says:

        I agree that they have realized that they have a problem, but the truth is there isn’t much that they can do about it now. The episodes are shot, they will air and all that is left is to find out what people think of them.

        JS has already said numerous times that the Chuck/Sarah subplot will be resolved this season, they have already put more detail into the casting calls, the shooting schedule for 3.14 was leaked. What I think was their flaw in reasoning was their idea that what people cared about was Chuck and Sarah being together rather than what they were doing to the characters to keep them apart and how they were keeping them apart. I would feel sorry for them if it wasn’t self inflicted.

        Maybe after seeing the next three episodes this season will make sense to me, but right now I just feel sad that a show that I so loved is now just another show that I watch (and strangely enough write about constantly, but I think the show I write about is the one that ended after the Colonel).

      • I’ll agree with you Ernie! Brandon Roth was brought in as Daniel Shaw as a mentor to Chuck and also a love intrest to Sarah which means rebound which will end in ep.12 or 13 especially in ep.13 when Sarah finds out that Shaw is using Chuck/intersect and her to seek revenge against the Ring for killing his wife or did they. The reason I’m saying that is toward the end of ep.11 Sarah was telling Shaw about before she became a spy she was ordered to kill the mark and she did. Was the woman that she killed was Shaw’s wife?

      • atcdave says:

        Might be a problem with the timeline; not that they’re overly careful with these things. But Eve was killed five years ago. I don’t know how long Sarah’s training would have taken, but that would have her entering the field only two years before she was assigned to Chuck? At which point she was already supposed to be the best of the best.

    • Faith says:

      The initial outcry was to “save Chuck” and of course a lot of people retweeting JS’ post. #Chuck search will turn up people wanting to save Chuck but I have to say there are a lot more people that just doesn’t care anymore…I say that because there used to be #Chuck and #SaveChuck like crazy. It would trend.

      This is from Mar 19 from JS:
      RT @sepinwall #followfriday @SerendipityWAF – because she only saved Chuck last year (and hopefully the show won’t need saving this year).

      • amyabn says:

        I was looking for more info from the S3 preview videos they put out already. Unless I missed one, we have seen all the content in episodes to this point. I think it would be smart (hint, hint) for TPTB to put out another video sneak peak. They finished shooting season 3 last Friday, so they could get the fanbase excited again to start the rally. They are running out of time and while I hope the numbers are up for tonight’s episode, I don’t want to lose momentum either. Make sense?

      • JC says:

        Did you see the Fedak interview on TV

        Not the best choice of words to give a divided angry fan base.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        They [Shaw and Sarah] know that world and are obviously attracted to each other.

        They may have written it that way, but it isn’t so obvious in the execution, or at least wasn’t set up well.

      • JC says:

        The funniest quote to me was “There’s a version of reality where he’s the perfect guy for her”

        Obviously he was trying to say they won’t be together. But even if the show was called Sarah, they’ve played Shaw out to be a psycho. I swear sometimes it seems like they don’t even watch their own show.

      • herder says:

        This is the second time that he has said that sort of thing, the first was in Sepinwall’s interview in the aftermath of the Mask. It irks me, and is somewhat jarring when they continue to insist on something that is not seen on the screen. I mean really, how would you know that Shaw was obviously attracted to Sarah without CF telling us.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I will say this. By Fake Name Yvonne was managing to play something akin to sexual tension and attraction, but they have absolutely no chemistry, and that’s where it falls especially flat with long term fans like us. We KNOW what attraction looks like and we aren’t seeing it. As I’ve often said, I don’t blame Routh, he’s an actor playing a role against nearly impossible odds and competition, and maybe by the time they realized he wasn’t working it was already too late to re-shoot and recast due to budget and time constraints, but this is a prime example of poor casting and execution if you ask me.

      • Jason says:

        if all the news I read today is false, the chuck show is having bad luck, because this will not help the ratings, so far this season, anything fedak has said, reality has been WORSE, anything spoiled, reality has been WORSE.

      • JC says:

        I take it you read the Ausiello rumor? I’m 99% sure its about House and not Chuck. And if it is, well you won’t have to worry about a 4th season.

      • Mike B says:

        CF has to stop trying to defend the Shaw character. He would be better served not to even mention it. For him to say he is the perfect guy for Sarah is laughable. This is not what the fans want to hear especially when they are once agin asking for our help.

      • Faith says:

        The thing about ownership is that you’ll defend it to the death even if you know you’re wrong…CF is defending the atrocity he committed on behalf of the fanbase/show. That’s really all it is. There will not be a reality where Sarah and Shaw are made for each other…coz if that’s the case then we might as well be watching “Shaw.”

      • JC says:

        One thing I’m worried about though. The fans are like a powder keg right now. That interview is like a fuse. One misstep tonight and things could go bad really fast. And after the ratings last week, this show can’t afford to lose one viewer.

      • Mike B says:

        The ratings will most likely take a hit any way with the debut of DWTS.

      • herder says:

        I don’t know about the ratings, I had expected them to go up last week, so the acual numbers were quite a shock. The question is wether that was an anomoly or the start of the fans getting tired of the story. DWTS does start tonight, but House is a repeat so there is some room for improvement.

      • amyabn says:

        What is the Aussielo rumor??

      • Jason says:

        amy – early in the day a spoiler came out that some major show will end with a suprise pregnancy and unknown father (quite a few were interpreting this as chuck,sarah, shaw), later in the day both ausiello and kristen came out with chuck 3.19 spoilers, which did not have any news ever remotely like pregnancy, things like someone switching sides, a death, and romance – I am not sure if the pregnancy thing caused chuck to release its final season spoilers or not???? Plus fedak came out with a tv guide interview where he said something real unclear, like shaw and sarah were starting to get more serious, many people think he mis-spoke, but who knows??? guess we will find out tonight????

  15. herder says:

    Okay, here’s a bit of wild speculation, we’ve had Ellie, Jeff, Paulie Walnuts, Morgan and Casey saying Chuck and Sarah should be together, who else are we going to hear from. I kind of think that we may hear from General Beckman, not in a direct way, but as an aside. Something like “Agent Walker, I know that you have considered the DC job, but I would like to point out that the other option that I offered is still open”. The other option being that she could be Chuck’s permanent partner. She does seem to have a clue about what is going on and she seems to have affection for the team, so this is not out of the realm of possibility, what do yu think.

    • Big Kev says:

      Can’t see it coming from Beckman, Herder….although anything is possible. If there is to be a chat to Sarah, it will come from one of the people listed in 3.12 as trying to help Chuck win her back. A reprise of Casey’s “Love or Love of Country” speech perhaps? My preferred scenario would be that it came from Morgan. Given that not one of my preferred scenarios has happened this season, you can cross that one off the list!

    • Paul says:

      I don’t see anything coming from Beckman unless she feels it will directly increase the effectiveness and results of the team. HOW they get the job done is not a concern for her, as long as the results stay positive.

    • amyabn says:

      I could see Beckman asking Sarah what she wants, and she intends the question to be about work. Sarah replies, “I want to be with Chuck.” Sarah has her epiphany, Beckman gives a knowing smile but doesn’t push it, and assigns Sarah as Chucks partner. No more gray area about handlers, etc. What they (C&S) choose to do is up to them.

      • You could be right amyabn!I beileve Gen. beckman will put Sarah with Chuck as his partner because Sarah request it.

        I also think that with the help of Morgan, Devon,and Casey not only for her to stay with Chuck but I believe either in ep. 12 or 13 Chuck will do something heroic in Sarah’s eye,s that she’ll realize that the new Chuck can be a spy but also don’t lose the good qualities that Sarah fell in love with him in the first place.

        As spy partners working together as equals.A new relationship will begin for Chuck/Sarah professionaly and emotionaly as life partners. No more asset/handler mess.

    • Crumby says:

      I could see all Casey, Awesome, and Morgan failing at helping Chuck win Sarah back, and Ellie saving the day.
      I think it’s funny how, while she has no idea of what’s going on, she always believed in CS and knows it’s not over.

    • I’ll agree with you herder. good speculation.

  16. Jen says:

    Hey guys! hope you all had a great weekend.
    I’ve been unforttunately too busy fro writing… but i’ve read every word you hae all written 🙂

    I just came across this. Not that speoilerish, nothing new about the finale, but though you’d like to see the pics:

    While at that site you can vote for C&S for tha tbest TV couple thing. It’s kihnda childinsh, i guess, to vote, but if it will bring attention to the show, i’ll keep voting for anything Chuck out there 😉

  17. Ernie Davis says:

    Well here’s my totally off the wall prediction for tonight. In the steam room scene we also find out Shaw, due to an unfortunate encounter with a ring operative actually IS a Ken doll. So he was serious when he told Sarah he’s the safest guy in the world.

    No, I don’t really think it will happen, but I think it reflects what a lot of the fanbase would like to do to Shaw. Note that, to Shaw, the fictional character, and yes, it is a joke.

    • Jason says:

      ernie or anyone else – is he going to make some all time top ten worst guest star appearances ever? or is this sort of ‘flop’ commonplace? I have trouble remembering many that really seemed that uncomfortable with the role, with the fans, with the cast, kind of the trifecta of ineptitude?

      • herder says:

        I think that his worry is that he will be equated with Ted McKinley. For those who don’t get it, there are a number of common ways that a show can jump the shark: having the two leads get married, having the two leads have a baby, introduce a new character (poochie) having a musical episode and the like. The strangest one is to bring Ted McGinley into the cast, he joined a number of shows that suddenly went downhill, starting with Happy Days. Seriously, it is a subheading on the jumptheshark web site.

        Routh’s fear has to be that he will become the new Ted McGinley. I suspect that an actor would rather be called poochie.

    • herder says:

      I was hoping for some sort of psycological inability stemming from his wife’s death making him the safest guy in the world. I do feel a bit for Brandon Routh, I can’t recall an actor on the show getting anywhere near the abuse that he has gotten.

      In any event, tonight is supposed to be pretty good, I don’t think that TPTB have got over poking parts of the fan base with a stick, so I expect some of that too, but I think that by the end of tonight the end of that will be in sight too. I do think that this is where we get deeper into the spy story and find out more about the Ring.

      I’m actually looking forward to the Casey story, making him into a sort of fish out of water. What does a spy do when they can no longer be a spy, will he be jealous of Chuck getting the life he has had to give up or will he simply have no sypathy for Chuck’s concerns about what it is that he will have to do.

      I’m expecting to see more of Chuck and Shaw butting heads, their personalities are completely different and as Chuck becomes more capable I expect to see him becoming more assertive. Oh and there is the whole rivals for Sarah’s affections thing. Lots of stuff to look forward to.

      • JAB says:

        Actually, I have no opinion good or bad about BR.

        It’s his character that’s taking a pounding. Shaw started out badass for 2 episodes and then became a waste of space after that. This is what has a lot of people wondering why he’s there. Which was not BR’s fault.

        IMO the Shaw arc got extended and TPTB shoehorned him into some episodes and it shows.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I think you may have a point, his style suited the first few episodes where he was an enigma, though I wasn’t impressed with his introduction. Nothing against him, I found the scene overdone with the “I know things, lots of things…”

      • Merve says:

        Ernie, I agree that Shaw’s introduction was a bit overdone, but I enjoyed it all the same. I think that we got a bit more of a Shaw-is-an-enigma vibe from “Beard,” like we did in “Operation Awesome” and “First Class,” and I’d like to see that vibe continue. It’s what made his character so interesting initially, and the lack of such a vibe in “Mask” and “Fake Name” seemed kind of inconsistent.

        Long story short: more mysterious Shaw, less creepy Shaw. Please and thank you.

      • I’ll agree with you herder on the last paragraph!I expect when Chuck becomes a full time spy in ep.12 and 13 him and Shaw will be butting heads alot and becoming more assertive not only as a spy but as man as especialy for Sarah’s affections.Remember one the promo video clips from the beginning of the season when Chuck told either Shaw or Gen.Beckman I’m taking over this mission.You’ve both gotten what you wanted a spy.That’s going to get Sarah’s attention because she really wants Chuck to step up to the plate and lead by example for her to follow.

        No more of this whining,insercure,bumbling and sometimes a stupid person Chuck has become in the past 2 seasons especially om the Beef Cake and the Lethal Weapon that makes Sarah unhappy with him somtimes.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I do feel sorry for Routh. He was dropped into what I think is THE best ensemble cast on TV to be a second leading man with a character so ill defined that well over halfway through his arc we’re still trying to figure him out, and to have to play against someone with a range like Yvonne, and to be contrasted against Zach with Yvonne, this was career suicide for the poor guy. I have no idea who thought this would be a good move for a guy who has a reputation as a somewhat limited actor.

      • You could be right Ernie! Brandon Routh’s character was so ill defined I beleive it was bad move on his part then again this maybe a leaning experience for him as he move on with his acting career.

  18. Stef62 says:

    I remember getting told in a statistics class by the lecturer, that you will be 7 times more likely to talk about a bad experience, than a good one.

    It’s looking like there are more fans out there viewing this season as a bad experience.

  19. Ernie Davis says:

    You know what the saddest part is? I’m going to watch tonight’s show out of a sense of perseverance, because I said I’d stick with it, not because I’m looking forward to it.

    And I’m having spaghetti and meatballs with a nice side salad and some fresh bread (and a decent red). I stopped going to the effort to buy subs two weeks ago.

    • JLR says:

      Ditto… If I hadn’t made a pre-season vow to watch the original 13, I would have quit watching entirely by now (Mask would’ve certainly been the fatal blow for me, if not sooner). I’ve already quit watching as it airs.

  20. Sarah wants a dual life meaning a spy life/normal life a spies dream like she had with Chuck when they had the asset/handler relationship. She will get that from Chuck but she want get it from Shaw and Sarah knows it.

    • Jen says:

      Hi BG… Sarah wants Chuck, but still feels too hurt and is acting like a crazy woman and is lying to herself thinking that she’s not in love with him anymore.
      They only ep this season i really like sarah was in Tic Tac, where she was her ol’ kick-ass self. She’s mostly been Shaw’s pawn this season.
      If she wants a normal life, i believe she would have been gone already. She wanted that normal life to be with Chuck.

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