The Other Guy First Reactions

So tell us your thoughts!

Good or bad, I’ll be thinking on this one all evening.

I’m really curious to know how I will be (future tense) thinking of season 3 after this.

– joe

Advertisements

About joe

In my life I've been a professor, martial artist, rock 'n roller, rocket scientist, lover, poet and brain surgeon. I'm lying about the brain surgery.
This entry was posted in Fan Base, Season 3. Bookmark the permalink.

396 Responses to The Other Guy First Reactions

  1. SWnerd says:

    Freaking Awesome!!! Enough said.

  2. joe says:

    You understate is, SW!

    I am going to bask in this all evening.

    Hey, wait! I already said that!

    This is the kind of release that I’ve been hoping for since Morgan borrowed Chuck’s condom. 😉

    • The Shaw menence is over.Thank God!I’m going to gloat over this for the next three weeks until ep.3-14.

      I knew Shaw was a double agent. He made a fool out of Gen.beckman Team B and most of all Sarah.

  3. Joe! I was right on my predictions again including Chuck killing ring agent Shaw to save Sarah life.

    • joe says:

      Oh yes, you were! I was wrong. And I am so glad about that now!

      • Joe!if you get a chance click under your article Wonder Con Spoiler Thread near the bottom I posted a comment speculating on tonight’s episode.

      • joe says:

        You asked lots of questions that still have to be answered, Bernard. But Wow! All in all, pretty amazing, right down the line.

        If you’re not careful with that superpower, we may have to declare YOU a spoiler! 😉

  4. Who Dat says:

    When I started typing this there were no responses, but by the time I hit enter I am sure there will be at least 10. People said that it was gonna be a long 3 weeks, I disagree, it may be to short. It will take that long to go through an EPIC episode, I know no other words. You must watch the entire episode, Oh my goodness, so many thing to say all at once. If this was where they wanted to go from the start, and it seems like it is, I forgive, even thank TPTB. WOW

    • joe says:

      I think we should start with a moment of silence for the late Daniel Shaw.
      .
      Ok. That’s enuf! 😉

      (Sorry! Couldn’t resist)

      • I’ll agree joe!

      • HenryH says:

        You think Shaw’s dead? I just think he’s mostly dead. Like Bryce. Henry predicts: He’ll be back…unfortunately. When we least expect it.

      • weaselone says:

        He’s dead unless he was fished out of the river within a couple minutes of falling in.

      • HenryH says:

        Weaselone: Uh, really, man. Stop being real. This is TV. If Bryce wasn’t dead after Casey shot him point blank, I think they can EASILY retcon this one if they want to. And how many times did Vincent “die.” THere’s a lot of Kenny in all of the killees in Chuck.

      • weaselone says:

        But Bryce was shot in the middle of a government facility where someone could scrape him off the pavement. Shaw fell into the Seine. I don’t think even people without sucking chest wounds swim in that particular river. Plus Casey presumably finished off any Ring members that could have fished him out.

      • HenryH says:

        Weaselone-
        You’re letting the “real” world cloud your TV judgment. They BURIED Bryce (ahem!) and he came back. I’m not saying they WILL. I’m just saying without a body, anything is possible with this show…

      • weaselone says:

        We all know there was nothing in that coffin but used pin ball machine parts and spam.

      • BeCoolBoy says:

        Weaselone: You make HenryH’s point for him. What was/is Shaw but “used pin ball machine parts and spam.” 🙂

      • herder says:

        We’ll just have to go with the Princess Bride (a source of many quotes from the show) and say that he is mostly dead.

      • herder says:

        After all, we must remember that wood floats.

      • weaselone says:

        So do ducks, witches and very small rocks.

      • atcdave says:

        Don’t forget we could build a bridge out of him.

  5. pandachuckkk says:

    Mind my chinkinese, but finalfuckingly la. Shaw is finally dead. What seemed like forever of this emotionless Shaw is finally over. Good to have you guys back Chuck and Sarah. Also, CASEYS back and has a license to kill again. MORGAN GRIMES enough said.

    only bad thing i can note on this episode it marks the last episode of a 3 week hiatus.

  6. Rochelle says:

    YAY!!!! It was ridiculously good!!! Now I just wish we’d DVR’d it so I could watch it over and over and over…. 🙂 Woo-freakin’-hoo!

    Torture that we have to wait 3 weeks now, but at least it had a good ending 🙂

  7. Gabbo says:

    Uh, am I the only one bothered by the fact that Sarah is wearing different clothes AND has a different hairstyle in the first scenes of tonight’s episodes as compared to the end of lsat week, when Shaw “abducted” her?

    Or did I miss something?

    Otherwise, pretty good episode. Funnier than I expected. But I don’t think epic, frankly.

    Just my 2cents

    • weaselone says:

      That’s just the often noted Yvonne as barbie doll phenomenon. They just love dressing Yvonne in a multitude of different outfits with a plethora of different hairstyles over a given episode. That sort of stuff happens within scenes of an episode. For example, Shaw apparently braids Sarah’s hair in he surveillance van in one episode this season.

      • Gabbo says:

        Thanks, weaselone. Appreciate the confirmation that I ain’t crazy. But, then again, I guess Sarah and Chuck don’t want to run away anymore, either.

        I’ll probably be the only one in the Chuckverse not thrilled to pieces by this episode. Even the last scene seemed a bit cheesy to me…

      • SWnerd says:

        I honestly think that cheesy was kinda the point, at least to a certain extent. But I didn’t mind at all.

      • atcdave says:

        I thought it was a perfect Bond parady. How many times did we see M yelling at Bond over a watch radio or something only to have Bond toss it in the ocean or something so he could devote himself to more “urgent” matters? I was laughing so hard I was gasping for air. I would call it a successful cultural reference too, my wife even got it, and she’s not 1/10th as into movies as I am.

      • Paul says:

        Yup, I totally called the “Bond-esque” ending…

    • jack says:

      Gabbo, You are not alone. That was the first thing that came to my mind too when I saw the first scene..I think they fast forwarded time because If you watch the last episode when they were driving off, it was almost night time and I believe the first scene was done during the day

    • Gord says:

      I have just learned to accept that Sarah is the master of quick clothes changes. Remember when Chuck was in trouble in Beard she managed to change clothes somewhere between the time she left the resort and when she arrived at the OO.

      Maybe she is from Krypton and can change in a second as long as she has a phone booth around.

  8. Mike B says:

    All I can say is the best line of the series “You’re my Chuck”..Awwww

    • SWnerd says:

      I heart may have quite literally melted.

      • SWnerd says:

        *My not I, see I can’t even type correctly

      • joe says:

        I took “You’re my Chuck.” to be a direct play on “He’s my guy.” in Marlin. By the time I heard that line, I was gone. They had me.

      • Mike B says:

        They had me at “Hey I’m Chuck, here’s a couple of things you may need to know or maybe you just forgot”

    • atcdave says:

      That was a wonderful line. I liked how Chuck was pretty secure about Sarah off on a mission with Shaw until the fake fight was brought to light. I also liked how Morgan proved useful a couple times; not what I would have expected.

    • Gord says:

      There were so many great lines in tonights episode. I’m sure that was the one the shippers wanted to hear. But how about:
      Chuck: “Cancel the air support and the Tank” Sarah: “Thank-you for saving me, I appreciated the tank”.
      Morgan: “You are mixing whiskey with gaming?”
      Morgan (when he and Chuck are trying to get Casey to help rescue Sarah):”Forget it Chuck, he’s been Buy Mored”.
      Casey to Morgan: “Go to my closet and get me my suit – the black one”
      and of course the second great shipper comment
      Sarah: “Shut up and kiss me”.

      You know I was thinking about the last scene – I would have been the perfect stunt double for Zac in that kissing scene. A job I would have gladly done for free. All they showed was one of Chuck’s running shoes sticking out of the bottom of the bed.

  9. weaselone says:

    So, scattered about in my incorrect predictions I correctly predicted that Chuck would kill Shaw to save Sarah. I also predicted that Sarah would steal a Jill line and she did.

    She does not seem to hold Chuck’s killing of Shaw against him. That was definitely an epic fail on my part. Apparently, the writers weren’t interested in using that for future angst. Huzzah.

    Awesome episode. I don’t think there was ever a missed beat the entire episode.

    • joe says:

      Okay, weaselone. I caught a lot of lines that referenced old episodes, but not a Jill line. Inquiring minds want to know. What was the Jill line that Sarah stole?

      Fill me in please!

      • Gabbo says:

        Shut up and kiss me…

      • joe says:

        Oh, of course. Thanks, Gabbo.

      • weaselone says:

        Oh come on Joe. Sarah’s last line in the episode is “Shut up and kiss me.” It’s the same line Jill used on Chuck when he was babbling on the Ferris Wheel.

      • weaselone says:

        Gabbo, I’m pretty sure Joe’s a married man. That’s just not appropriate. 😉

      • Gabbo says:

        -Bows- to the superior emoticons.

      • SWnerd says:

        Actually Jill interrupts saying “Chuck, there is a problem. You talk way too much.” Sort of the same meaning but Sarah did not steal her line.

      • weaselone says:

        She says both.

      • SWnerd says:

        Oh, I re-watched the flashback part so I guess that means she says the shut up part in the ferris wheel scene that was in the present. But for the sake of not having to think about Sarah mimicking Jill, I’m saying they both stole it from April O’Neil who said it to Casey Jones in the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie. 🙂

  10. Who Dat says:

    I am thinking NBC will be surprised at the ratings for this week, Im thinking this may be Chucks highest rated, I just cant stop talking Chuck!

    • SWnerd says:

      I hope everyone watched it. Anyone who didn’t will be kicking themselves for missing this episode.

    • herder says:

      I don’t know about the highest rated episode, I think that TPTB were trying to cause an internet buzz with showing the episode at wondercon. It was a very good episode and this was a good idea, it did generate a lot of buzz, whether that translates into ratings will become clearer tomorrow.

    • atcdave says:

      No doubt most Chuck fans are pretty happy tonight! I sure hope enough people rode it out; I’m a little nervous about the numbers. Enough people still need to care to watch.

  11. Ingrid says:

    Best Chuck episode ever! I’ve come out of my months-long lurking on here to post this. I loved the episode!! SOOOO Happy!

    • joe says:

      Thanks, Mister. But guess what! I can’t get through.
      I suspect that there are quite a few voters pinging on that URL right this minute.

    • pandachuckkk says:

      i think its gonna come down to chuck n 1treehill

      – i dont think i can watch chuck on NBC.com in canada :[

  12. amyabn says:

    I loved it! Just rewatched via my DVR before posting. My only (and it’s small) complaint is that Sarah didn’t tell Chuck she was on her way to meet him when Casey stopped by. It would cement her choice, regardless of the Red Test results.

    -Love Morgan getting into the spy biz.
    -BG Beckman in her PJs cracked me up
    -Morgan’s speech to Casey was reminiscent of Chucks speech to him in Sensai
    -Big Mike was a hoot
    Gosh, I could go on and on!

  13. herder says:

    Some minor qibbles but those are for another post, maybe even another day. Definitely the most exciting episdde of the season, Morgan and the General are comedy gold, and a bunch of throwback lines from previous episodes, my personal favorite “you saved me” goes back to Roan’s “trust me they want to be rescued”.

    I avoided spoilers as much as I could and I think that makes it more suspenseful. I felt that Shaw had gone over to the other side, during the mission to capture the Director I kept trying to figure out when he was going to do the double cross and there were several clever fake outs before the evil was revealed. Great Casey moments too, “bring me my suit” and “I’ve got one request you’re not going to like” “before you were the intersect you were smart” were gems.

    I think the best part was that all the characters were acting in character yet the show was still fun, exciting and romantic, all the things that it is billed to be.

    • joe says:

      Great quick analysis, Herder. I would not have connected “You saved me.” to Roan, but you did – fantastic catch!

      I like everything you said here.

      • sniderman says:

        What I don’t quite get is that Chuck has saved Sarah’s life on a few other occassions – Seduction (swung down from the roof); Suburbs (protected her from the Dark Intersect); Alma Mater (“Are you comning to the toga party”?); etc. Why is THIS time the one where she swoons like a rescued “damsel in distress”?

      • BeCoolBoy says:

        You are supposed to get “saved” at the emotional level, too. Chuck killing and still being the “good Chuck” means Sarah can have a “real” life. Cheesy, but there it is.

        A lot of this show falls flat now, but what can do you? This at least is better than a Wal-mart $5 rack full of Fake Names…

      • joe says:

        Actually, in each of your examples, Chuck either saved “them” (meaning, not just Sarah), or saved her/them with some help (usually Casey).

        But that’s intellectualizing it on my part. My guts are reacting now in a way quite different from before, mostly because it was Chuck who overcame his biggest hurdle – pulling that trigger.

        Oh – and it wasn’t the intersect that did that, either.

      • atcdave says:

        I think the biggest part is Sarah’s decided to stop hiding her feelings from Chuck. Of course he could have gotten that sort of appreciation a dozen times before, she just has a lot to make up to him! I do think it helps that Sarah knows what a hard thing he did for her; he even knew that it might make her really angry, but he did the right thing anyway.

      • Jason says:

        after this shaw experience for sarah – a funny scene would be some ‘supermanny’ type civilian hit up on her, and she smacks him – looks at the byestanders with a quip – “not my type” –

    • Emily says:

      I thought it was a callback to ‘Save you later’ in Marlin. But Roan makes more sense!

  14. JC says:

    It was so hard not to spoil the episode completely in the wondercon post and from the reactions I’m glad I didn’t.

    • Who Dat says:

      I am truly glad you did not either, the spoilers I did get were just appetizers, any more and it might have spoiled it for me. For instance I was afraid when C/S kissed in the hallway that would be it. I am SO glad that I was wrong.

  15. BeCoolBoy says:

    Best episode of the season, no question. Which, of course, isn’t much of a standard. But it can’t touch Colonel. (And, personally, I still love Santa Claus and Suburbs better.)

    But one thing REALLY bugged me. How could Chuck and Sarah not know what the cypher was? Yeesh…

    Did like the “hidden” Chuck-Sarah moment in Castle when Sarah kisses Chuck. That was sweet…

    • SWnerd says:

      I completely adore sweet and happy Sarah Walker. So much better than the tragic character we’ve dealt with most of the season.

    • herder says:

      The other bit that I really liked was that when Sarah thought she was in danger with Shaw, she sent a message to Chuck as to where she was. There is a great deal of implicit trust that Sarah has in Chuck that she has shown all season long (despite other failings that she has had), from the “give him a minute” in Pink Slip to her confidence that he would get the antidote in the Mask, to her begging Shaw for more time in the Beard to this one. When Sarah is in danger she looks to Chuck and when he is in danger she is sure that he will find a way out. Not much was made of this but it is one of the foundations of the show.

      • BeCoolBoy says:

        Herder: YOu are right, of course. Too bad TPTB turn that particular reality on and off to suit their plots.

        Meanwhile, can you or anyone explain the first scene in the show? What was Shaw’s purpose there? THAT I do not get.

        And I still have no takers on my question about how Chuck and Sarah couldn’t know what a Cypher is. It was just the centerpiece of an episode or two last year…

      • herder says:

        I think that the purpose of that first scene was that Shaw was trying to get Sarah’s confidence so that she would trust him when he wanted to get her to Paris to take his revenge in the way that he wanted.

        As to the sudden amnesia about the cipher, the only thing that I can think of is that there had been no talk of the Ring trying to create their own intersect. So it was a familiar subject dropped into a situation where they had never associated with the Ring which caused momentary confusion.

      • atcdave says:

        A cypher hasn’t been mentioned all season, so some of that was probably for the sake of those viewers who don’t obsess over the show like we do (like Ellie’s line in Sizzling Shrimp; “maybe I can help, I’m a doctor!” duh!). It also may be because they had no idea The Ring was working on their own intersect.

      • atcdave says:

        I was very happy to see sweet and happy Sarah back. My wife even made a random comment some 30 minutes after the episode, “It was fun to see Sarah happy again!”

  16. SWnerd says:

    My favorite thing about the ending, other than the obvious 😉 was the atmosphere in my apartment. I watch the show with my two cousins who like it alright but are not as involved as me. Our other roommate occasionally watches and a few of our other friends were over who never watch it. Sometimes it’s hard to get all these people to shut up when I’m trying to watch but we were all literally dead quiet gathered around the TV. It was pretty funny.

  17. sniderman says:

    One word:

    “Finally.”

    It was a good (original) season ender to an otherwise “meh” season. It’s kind of like a refreshing glass of OJ immediately after eating a clove of garlic. Sure, it’s delicious, but it doesn’t completely get the other taste of of your mouth. I enjoyed the Hell out of it, but I hope it’s not too little, too late.

    Great Chucky lines:

    “Oh, and thanks for the tank.”

    “We don’t do pranks.”

    “Oh, and one more thing. You’re not gonna like it.”

    Agent Grimes. Holy Hell, I did NOT see that coming.

  18. ChuckNewbie8 says:

    I say this with love.

    I hate you all right now 😉 1:09 to go!

    • joe says:

      In 58 minutes I’ll be envying you. It’s good enuf to see twice in a row! 😉

      • Jen says:

        Joe, thanks to DVR n A FFWD button I think I’ve seen it 4 times!
        Loved this ep! Loved happy, in love Sarah, and like it was mentioned above by someone else, I love they show that great trust chuck n Sarah have in each other.

      • joe says:

        Saw you twittering too, Jen! It’s like chocolate, isn’t it?

    • atcdave says:

      I hate to see what you would have written Faith if it wasn’t with love!

  19. Dan says:

    I want to start this by saying this my first post on a chuck site period. So i wanted to say that the only reason that i bothered to look up a site that went over chuck stuff this year, was because i was very bothered by the previous episodes(excluding a couple). So i want to thank you guys for posting reactions and spoilers, because without this site i would have stopped watching and would have missed this BADASS episode. God I gotta say its about time for that bedroom scene i was starting to think that Sarah was a ice queen.
    Thanks guys you’ve got my support for bringing this show back. KEEP POSTING

  20. Rick Holy says:

    Let’s just HOPE that enough people actually tuned into an EXCELLENT episode! It seems like the highest ratings in the last two seasons have been for the post Superbowl 3D episode (not exactly a highlight) and this season’s premiere, Pink Slip (again, not exactly a highlight).

    We all know that no matter how great it may have been, especially by this season’s standards, that we need to get into the 2.3/2.4 range. If it’s another 1.9 or 2.0, all that was good will have gone for not.

    Hopefully this will have been “the bait” too hook enough people who tuned out, and perhaps enough people who’ve never quite yet tuned in.

    Actually, when you think about it, remembering that the showrunners thought that this season would only be 13 episodes – this would have made for not only a nice season-ending episode, but also a nice series-ending episode.

    A. Let’s hope it’s not that latter.
    B. Let’s hope Chuck’s not already dead in NBC’s eyes.
    C. Let’s hope that (i) the back six doesn’t introduce any more unnecessary angst [I’m already a tad nervous about the “I’m not CRAZY!” line by Chuck in the previews and the thought of him seeing a shrink] and that if there is by some miracle an S4, it’s done RIGHT!

    Face it. The sad part is that TPTB are perfectly capable of making this a great show. We’ve seen great episodes in the past. The questions is, do they WANT to?

    Anyway, that’s enough from me.

    If it all comes to an end, I’ll be happy to have had this episode as a nice wrap up to the “CHUCK” story.

    Peace, all! And a Blessed Easter Season.

    • joe says:

      Great to see you here too, Fr. Rick! Don’t know if you’ve been reading, but the general message I’ve been getting from everyone here (always with exceptions, of course) is that the complaints are legit, the show is still loved and the fans are giving it every chance.

      Hope you had a great Easter!

    • Who Dat says:

      It has now been over an hour since the end of the episode…still epic…and I also thin I need to eat some crow. If the season had not gone to such depths and lows, I am not sure this would have een such a great episode.
      I thought so over an hour ago when i went on twitter and publicly said so..and wouldn’t ya know I got a response on twitter.
      AliAdler

      Couldn’t resist this retweet RT @Bdaddydl: @AliAdler there will be some crow eaten tonight, I will have some myself. You were right!#chuck

  21. sd says:

    Take away the romance, the spy stuff…and what you have is what has been missing until tonight…the fun and amazing comedic timing between the two leads.

    The dialog with the tank was so funny…the delivery just pitch perfect…as much as I am so happy the wtwt angst is over…I’m most happy that these two will be on screen together a lot more moving forward.

    Yay!

    • joe says:

      I don’t want to spoil it for those who haven’t seen the 3.14 trailer yet, but they certainly will be together more on screen. It “feels” even better in the context of what we saw today.

      I loved Sarah’s smile.

    • atcdave says:

      I loved the tank line too. This episode was flat out fun, like Chuck used to be. I sure hope we see more of that in the next six (I believe we will, just still feeling a little burned by this season).

      • herder says:

        After rewatching the episode and looking at the promo for the next six there looks to be some amazing bits coming up. Love the scene of Chuck and Sarah on a Vespa, then it looks like the moped jumps through a window. There is a scene which looks like it takes place in Africa (DWOB or to be more precise MSF) and one where Ellie hits Casey in the head with a pot (can’t wait to find out what that is about). Also a smiling Sarah pulling Chuck back to bed. Nothing that looks like PLI’s, just lots of fun.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah I agree herder, the preview was a lot of fun. I’m, excited by the fight scene with Chuck using Sarah as a projectile!

  22. joe says:

    Just a bulletin to note how twitter exploded with #Chuck tweets tonight.

  23. SWnerd says:

    Ah you know what I totally forgot that the basketball game is gonna take some west coast viewers from our numbers tonight. Crap.

  24. Judy says:

    Loved it!

    • joe says:

      Would this be your first time, Judy? If so, welcome!

      So join in and give us the benefit of your point of view! Trust me on this – we’d love to hear it.

  25. Faith says:

    Ok I’m signing out til after my viewing but I’ll be back to hear your answers to this question…and it has to be asked 😀

    Did this make all the angst, all the dark, realism, worth it? And please think on it and don’t just react haha.

    • The Shrink says:

      Beat me on the enter key with that one CN8. It does it really does

    • herder says:

      I was thinking about this earlier, my answer is to an extent yes but mostly no. Let me explain, it validates Chuck’s concerns about guns and the part of the story dealing with Dark Chuck. On the other hand I don’t think that it validates the keeping them apart for the whole 13 episode arc, to be blunt they drew that out too long and hurt the characters too much for a couple of kisses and some honest talk to make up for that in my mind. Most certainly it doesn’t make up for the fail of having the black hole of emotion Shaw in five episodes running from the Mask to American Hero.

      That being said it doesn’t mean that this wasn’t a wonderful episode with many things that we have been calling for for a long time and returning things that the show had been missing, namely the balance between fun, action and romance. It is more an example of what the show can be rather than what the show was for much of this season.

    • SWnerd says:

      It certainly lightened the doom and gloom that I felt for much of the season, but if I’m completely honest I would say no, it doesn’t make all the angst worth it.

      A healthy amount of angst is not necessarily a bad thing. Especially in television when you have to have conflict to keep the story going. Real relationships have angst, yes, because they’re not perfect. They’re hard. They take work. But when it overshadows most of the other story lines and becomes contrived in it’s execution, it really draws attention to itself and becomes less real and more annoying.

      I think this episode makes some of it more bearable. But I will always have some sour feelings to Chuck jumping into another romantic relationship so quickly. And Sarah revealing her real name to Shaw was the ultimate waste of what could have been an intensely touching moment between Chuck and Sarah. And finally Shaw’s character completely ruining both the Team B dynamic and the Chuck/Sarah chemistry because of lack of screen time. These are the things that will never sit very well with me but that’s what makes this episode so great because it marked what I hope is the end of the over the top angst that has bogged down Season 3.

      • SWnerd says:

        I should add that the darkness that the spy story took on never really bothered me. What bothered me was that Sarah wasn’t there for Chuck like I thought she should have been, if even only as a friend.

    • atcdave says:

      I’m in the not worth it camp; agree with swnerd almost entirely. The problem with this “journey” they chose, is it made too many episodes in the middle of the season no fun at all. I’m really happy to have a good, fun episode again; it does renew my faith a little in TPTB, it ensures that I will support any renewal campaign, and it just generally leaves me in a good mood tonight.

      But much of this season was a waste. By getting into soap opera territory, and dwelling on darker themes, it made the show less fun; which I believe lead directly to the declining numbers and put us in the bubble position again. That makes it an epic failure.

    • AngelTwo says:

      Many of us thought (feared) that E13 would be where the show should have STARTED this season. And, guess what, we were right. I mean, what have we learned since Ring?

      That Chuck would kill to save Sarah? Who doubted that? That Sarah loved Chuck regardless of his choices? We knew that. That Levi and Strahovski (thus Chuck and Sarah) make a great on-screen team? We knew that.

      That Schwartz and Fedak apparently didn’t have a clue about what made the show work in seasons 1 and 2. Ah, there it is. And if you doubt it, consult Fedak speaking to Mo Ryan. “Hey,” he says, “that episode 14 really works! Chuck and Sarah as a spy team are pretty good!”

      Heaven help us…

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah Angeltwo, my thoughts exactly. I think I said that “finishing where they should have started” more times than I count, and I’ve already commented on the Fedak quote you use. Great minds and all…

      • amyabn says:

        I’m with all of you who said it wasn’t worth it. Shaw was a waste of airtime, money (could have been spent on the regulars), and they could have done the angst by making Chuck and Sarah stay with their cover.
        We got back to what we loved about the show: Chuck, Sarah, Casey, Morgan, teamwork, comedy, fun, a bit of romance, and action.

    • Merve says:

      Yes. But that’s coming from the perspective of someone who has enjoyed the darker tone of the show. I don’t know if it makes up for extending the will-they-won’t-they tension a little too long or for the fact that “Mask” and “Final Exam” weren’t well-structured, however.

      I hope that the show doesn’t lose its slightly darker edge going forward. If it goes back to too light a tone, then the show might start to seem like “fluff.” But TPTB also have to be careful and not let the darkness overwhelm the show. I think that they found a really good balance of humour vs. drama in “Nacho Sampler” and “Tic Tac,” but they definitely let the drama get a bit out of control in “Final Exam.” I hope that going forward, TPTB aren’t scared to make the show dramatic when necessary, but also that they don’t hold back on the comedy either.

      • JC says:

        Tic Tac was a perfect mix of everything. Hopefully season 4 is more like that but I do want an occasional goofy episode if they get a full season. I think holiday episodes could serve that purpose.

        I do hope they go back to the mini arcs and have them build to something big. The TPTB are a little to loose with plot holes and continuity to make season lasting ones.

      • Merve! I do agree with you on that point.the next six episodes of the mini arc series will be balanced of what I have seen from the promos if they aren’t misleading us. A little dark along with a good balance of humor and drama.Hopefully that balance will continue into season 4.

  26. The Shrink says:

    HOLD THE ELEVATOR PEOPLE. DO THE TPTB REALLY THINK THAT ONE EPISODE WILL MAKE UP FOR ALL THE TURMOIL AND PAIN THAT THEIR CRAPPY WRITING CAUSED US THIS SEASON 3…

    THINKING…. THINKING… THINKING

    YES IT DOES!!!

    THE PIANO MUSIC IS BACK!!!!

    • joe says:

      Faith – that was one man’s opinion.

      Well, okay. Make it two! 😉

    • Jen says:

      I’m a happy camper right now! Just seeing our leads together on screen, the chemistry palpable… It makes me forget the crap. I do wish the crap hadn’t lasted so long, but I’m so happy right now I just dont care.
      🙂

      n let’s not forget the new ‘ship… Morgan n Casey. Loved them both. Josh Gomez is GOLD!

  27. BDaddyDL (formerly WhoDat) says:

    when I first posted it was right after the Superbowl, now ill go back to my normal pseudonym. Btw this is a review online from an obvious fan of the show http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2009-1-13-monkeys-as-critics/posts/recap-chuck-chuck-vs-the-other-guy

  28. The Shrink says:

    POOCHIE IS DEAD!!!!!

  29. Anonymous says:

    🙂 the shrink, BTW good to see ya! Missed you at the boards. Ok one last thing before I really do leave! I will! lol…

    Mo Ryan doing what she does best:
    http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2010/04/chuck-sarah-nbc-.html

    My feelings to the T.

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      sorry Anonymous was me 🙂 Goof.

    • atcdave says:

      Good interview; more fun and interesting than part one. But I just gotta say …. so they realized while doing 3.14 that Chuck and Sarah work really well together …. I’m just glad they finally watched their own show!

      • The shrink says:

        I liked the die hard ending. Would have been better with chuck being forced to tear off his mothers bracelet to save Sarah. Morgan vs anna. He better brush up on staff skills. Dead meat!

    • herder says:

      I really like Mo Ryan’s stuff (and not just the Chuck articles) she seems to have an idea of what viewers are thinking, or at least viewers like me and is willing to state it, not just in articles but in interviews like this one with CF. Dave, the comment about Zach and Yvonne makes me wonder why they chose to tell the story that they did if they knew about and realized the chemistry between the two, it seems that they had an idea and insisted on showing it, despite the show’s best interests.

    • Merve says:

      I like this part of the interview better. There was more information than in the first part, Mo Ryan wasn’t beating a dead horse to the point of almost seeming rude, and Chris Fedak wasn’t dodging questions to the point of almost seeming like a politician.

    • The shrink says:

      They drove me away from the NBC boards. Missed you too cn8. Nice to be back with the princess of chuck the undisputed heavyweight of chuck cn8. Even padre Rick is back. Life is good

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        That sucks to hear. Still it’s good to have some of the people here. Although it’d be nice to see some people over there as well…the boards have a new mod and she’s very nice 😀 (me).

      • Gord says:

        The NBC boards are a kinder gentler version of their former self. All the moderators have been great.

        They have even let me off with nothing but a friendly reminder a few times.

        Just like this blog, the boards exploded last night and almost all of it was positive. In fact, I was amazed to find anyone posting negative comments, but everybody sees things differently.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        haha. To tell you the truth it’s mostly because JD is gone..and in fact I shouldn’t be saying this but we really have full power on how lenient we can be. I personally have a 5+ friendly PM policy before resorting to something more. I think people make mistakes and I’m one of you guys so I know it’s not a matter of being a troublemaker so much as just being an avid fan.

  30. Josh says:

    Mo Ryan’s review is up, including the missing part of the Fedak interview (specifically dealing with Chuck/Sarah and the season ahead)
    http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2010/04/chuck-sarah-nbc-.html#more

    • Gord says:

      Thanks for the interview link. Very interesting, I’m glad to see Mo noted the problem with Shaw/BR casting and how even Yvonne with her acting chops couldn’t rescue that story arc.
      CF’s comments were interesting as well, about what is planned going forward.
      I knew they could have great story possibilities with Chuck and Sarah as a couple figuring out how to make their unique relationship work.

      Please tell me I have been dreaming for 3 weeks and episode 3.14 is on tonight.

  31. AngelTwo says:

    This was a fun episode. In fact, much funnier than I had thought it could be. But the continuity errors troubled me (Sarah’s wardrobe and hair in first scene, not knowing what a cipher is) and the initial scene didn’t make much sense to me.

    All that said, even as I was watching the final scene, all I could think of was: If only Sarah had said yes to Chuck’s offer of a vacation in Ring, we wouldn’t have had to suffer through this awful season.

    • Jen says:

      Very true… N I want to know why Shaw has his gun drawn on her, what was gonna happen if Chuck hadn’t arrived… Was the operation to capture the ring director a patch for Shaw’s first attempt at taking Sarah being busted? I dont know… But this ep was so much fun n c&s me me so happy that don’t care so much about those answers right now:)

  32. Jen says:

    Is that Chuck’s shirt Sarah is wearing in the last scene? Hmmmmm, Chuck has some explaining to do!

  33. Chuckaddict says:

    Holy bleepin’ AWESOME! I didn’t realize I was that big of a shipper until it actually happened. I tried to convince myself I didn’t care who Sarah chose, just as long as it was over. Boy was I kidding myself. My only question, why take 12 weeks to get here? Oh well, Chuck shot Shaw!!!

    I would like to do some self congratulation on Chuck shooting Shaw (see last weeks reaction post). I’m so glad they didn’t make Sarah’s choice the cliffhanger though. I think THPTB are just maybe listening…

  34. pandachuckkk says:

    Question about viewership or whatever it is the ratings? I live in Canada, and Chuck airs at 4 separate times in my area. Do the 4 times I am going to watch it count as 4 views or do Canadian views dont count at all?

    • pandachuckkk says:

      anyone? too busy watching chuck?

    • Merve says:

      They don’t count in the ratings, but if more Canadians watch the show on Canadian affiliates, then the affiliates can demand greater ad fees, and I’m not sure how exactly all of this works, but it all translates to good news for show.

    • atcdave says:

      I don’t know how much revenue comes from the Canadian airings; but certainly the more WB can get for the show from other broadcasters, the better a deal they can give NBC. I believe NBC pays like 80%, so it will always be the major player.

      • pandachuckkk says:

        ooo. damm that sucks. w/e ill still watch the reruns.

      • Faith says:

        2 things:
        1) I’ve confirmed (through TPTB at NBC) that CityTV has a licensing deal with NBC (and not just WB as you would expect).
        2) while the ratings don’t count, revenue does so keep on watching!

  35. Merve says:

    In my opinion, it wasn’t as good as “Angel de la Muerte,” “Operation Awesome,” “Nacho Sampler,” “Tic Tac,” or “American Hero,” but it was excellent nonetheless.

    A few random thoughts in random order:
    – I kind of wished that there had been some sort of spy-related cliffhanger.

    – How does Sarah go from finding out that Chuck killed Shaw to jumping Chuck’s bones? I’ll chalk that up to the drugs.

    – Shaw is obviously a psycho, so I’ll let this slide, but he had so many opportunities to kill Sarah in this episode. Why didn’t he use them?

    – I liked the meta joke about fake fights. Also, I liked that it was Morgan who could figure out that the fight was fake.

    – So far, Chuck and Sarah together are kind of cheesy. That’s probably a product of not having that much time for tender scenes in this episode, and I’m sure that that’s something that will be rectified in the future.

    – The writers have always known that Strahovski can be funny, and I like that they gave her some funny material in this episode. They have to walk a fine line with her character; they can’t make her say too many of the comic lines or the show will end up a farce, but I think that they found a nice balance here. (However, I’m not sure that she’s ever going to get as big a laugh out of me as she got when she said, “Secrets turn me on!” in “Nacho Sampler.”)

    – Morgan in the spy world? I’m a little skeptical. I’ll see what happens from here on in before I pass judgment, though; this could be a golden comedic opportunity.

    – I understand that Sarah had a change of clothes with her, so I can give her a pass on changing outfits before entering the warehouse with Shaw, but when did she have time to straighten her hair?

    – I don’t think that Casey explored civilian life enough before getting reinstated. But maybe he’ll have a greater appreciation for it in the coming episodes.

    I enjoyed this episode immensely, despite all the aforementioned inconsistencies and silly bits, so either I’m addicted to this show and I’m deluding myself into thinking that I still enjoy it, or this show really is that awesome. I hope that it’s the latter. Sometimes I think that I analyze too much. I really should just sit back, turn off my brain, and let myself be entertained.

    • AngelTwo says:

      Merve-
      I don’t think we agree on much, but I respect you’ve come to the show in season 3 and have liked it. And I agree with some/most of your criticisms of the episodes.

      That said, you last line bothered me: “I really should just sit back, turn off my brain, and let myself be entertained.”

      For those of us who started with show at the pilot, we could sit back, turn ON our brain, let ourselves be entertained–and then analyze the hell out of what we just saw.

      And that’s the difference. With Chuck now, you need to take immense doses of Belief Suspension Drugs. Seasons 1 and 2, not so much…

      • Merve says:

        Seasons 1 and 2 don’t make much sense when my brain is turned on either. I never really understood what chips or ciphers or cubes were needed for the Intersect to function. (And who can and can’t build an Intersect, for that matter?) I’ve had to suspend my disbelief just as much (or maybe even slightly less) than in previous seasons. Frankly, analyzing all the silly inconsistencies is just an amusing exercise; they don’t really bother me because Chuck is entertaining, plain and simple.

    • amyabn says:

      I’m just glad they pointed out how fake the Shaw fight scene was because I saw it as I watched it. I couldn’t believe they would have used such a poorly shot fight scene-and then Morgan explained what I saw on screen. go Morgan!

      • Paul says:

        Well, to be fair to Chuck, he wanted to believe in the guy. He backed up Chuck’s “rescue”, and seemed like a straightforward guy. Further, he was blinded by his newfound conncection with Sarah. Morgan on the other hand, is LOOKING for something to be wrong because the current situation totally scuttles his plans to leave the Buy More and be a spy.

      • weaselone says:

        Having watched the scene a few more times, there’s also some significant audio cues. On multiple occasions Shaw’s opponents react as if struck while the audio is of an obvious swing and miss, perhaps lifted straight out of a baseball game sans impact of the ball in the catches mitt.

    • weaselone says:

      Regarding Shaw killing Sarah. I think they made it fairly clear during the episode that he had a particular death in mind for Sarah. A simple bullet to the head wasn’t sufficient.

      He wanted her in Paris. He wanted her to witness his crushing of the CIA by delivering Intersect intelligence to the Ring. He wanted to walk along the Seine with her prior to her death. He wanted to kill her in a particular manner.

      • Paul says:

        It’s apparant that Shaw didn’t read the “What Not To Do As A Spy Badguy” manual. 😉 A bullet to the head is always the best way to take care of your opponent, not sharks with laserbeams on their heads…. 😀

      • weaselone says:

        True enough, but Shaw’s purpose was revenge, not killing.

      • Paul says:

        True, but even Scotty Evil knows that these absurdly complicated evil spy revenge plots NEVER work… 😉

      • Merve says:

        It all comes back to the fact that Shaw is a psycho. That’s a good enough explanation for me.

      • atcdave says:

        I’ll buy Shaw was too messed up to be thinking clearly, he even made a point of telling Sarah it wouldn’t hurt; clearly a total nutjob. Paul, have you really been watching this show for three seasons and are still shocked when a villain resorts to comic book cliches? Seriously? Fedak just gave an interview were he was discussing the possibility of Emmitt coming back with a robot eye. I think he was joking, but I’m honestly not sure. Just having some with you Paul…..

  36. Miranda says:

    I just gotta say this episode was AWESOME!! :))

  37. Gord says:

    It’s late, I have to go to bed so I don’t have time to say to much or read the rest of the comments. I will revisit tomorrow after work.

    I will just say that I have a new all-time favourite episode. Chuck Vs the Other Guy rules.

  38. Lauren says:

    Wow. Just wow. I’m incoherent at the moment. Count me in as one not sure if this makes up for all the overblown angst. All I can say is that I was hyperventilating when Chuck pulled the trigger. If the show can still affect me like that then I know I’m lost. In a good way 🙂

  39. JC says:

    I guess I’m the only person who kinda felt bad for Shaw in the end. Sure he was a psycho and bland, but he didn’t sell Chuck out to the Ring at least I don’t think he did. And killing Sarah, well that sucks but if I was insane I’d probably do it too. And even then I think he felt bad about it. At least in regards to how Chuck felt about her.

    • Merve says:

      I was kind of hoping that Shaw would get captured and sent to a shrink, but when they got to the bridge, I knew that someone was going to end up in the river.

      But now that Chuck has killed and seems alright with it, I wonder what could happen that would be traumatic enough to send him to a shrink.

      • atcdave says:

        I didn’t think he seemed all right with it, but its a whole different ball game than an ordered hit. Chuck knew he was doing the right thing. It may yet cause him difficulty, but in the end he’ll manage; and he can look at Sarah any time he needs a reminder as to why he did it.

        If the shrink episode is for real (I mean, not totally a mission), this may be the issue that drives him to seek help.

      • Merve says:

        Dave, that’s a really good way of looking at it. I guess I didn’t have enough time to absorb the gravity of the situation because everything happened so quickly, but Zac played Chuck’s unease at having to tell Sarah the truth about Shaw’s death very well.

      • Paul says:

        I also liked the way Sarah immediately let Chuck know she understood the difference between killing and murder to reassure him that she still loved him.

    • JC says:

      It could still bother him on some level. But I wouldn’t be surprised if its not part of a mission.

      • Chuck604 says:

        Yeah maybe to infiltrate some institution that’s a front for the ring or to make contact with an agent for intel. An agent in deep cover, or who went completely loony.

    • atcdave says:

      Its kind of funny he could misread Chuck so bad by telling him he could go away, he was only going to kill Sarah. Most of us have figured for three years Sarah was the first person Chuck would kill for. (OK, Ellie and Morgan were in the running, but you kind of knew it had to be Sarah).

    • DaveB says:

      I don’t think his seeing a shrink is a voluntary effort. I think Chuck’s going to be played, and sent off to be tampered with…Somewhere along the line Sarah will figure this out (probably with Morgans help) and come to the rescue.

    • Crumby says:

      I kind of felt bad too for Shaw. He was consumed by revenge but he didn’t really want to be bad. It didn’t feel like he was pleased to be part of the Ring. He didn’t tell Chuck’s secret, didn’t want to kill him either. And he tried to kill Sarah without hurting her.
      But of course his plan still needed Sarah dead… But he was just like this great spy betrayed by what he believed in, and what he devoted his life to: the CIA. That’s kind of tragic.

  40. Bundy says:

    I would first like to say that this is my first post.I’ve been coming to this site since the beginnig of this season.It’s really interesting reading so many different points of view on here. I have to say good riddance to Brandon Routh!!!With all the actors to play that part,why him?He has no acting ability what so ever.He really did more damage than good for this show.Thank God he is gone. Tonights episode was incredible.This was the kind of episode that made me start watching this show three years ago.It’s also the kind of episode that will make me do anything to help save it.Tonight made me proud to be a Chuck fan.Keep up the good work on here.

    • atcdave says:

      Welcome to the site Bundy! Tonight was a great episode, I was glad to be clearly done with Shaw too. But I don’t think Routh made that much of a difference, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have liked anyone in that role.

      • Bundy says:

        Thanks atcdave.You’re right,I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t like anyone playing that part either.I just would have liked someone who was more convincing.I know he was supposed to be a tuff guy spy and cold blooded.He just came off like Morgan said a piece of cardbord.I’m just saying that somebody other than him could have done alot better.

    • joe says:

      Hi, Bundy. Seeing all these new commenters here makes me really happy!

      Yeah. I understand that originally Shaw was supposed to be Bryce (but Bommer was not available, of course, so a new character was created). It would have played much differently.

      But at the same time, I don’t think I could accept Bryce as a traitor now. Shaw was a perfect a character to despise as you could get.

      I’m not an actor by any means, so I’ll never seriously say that Routh did a bad job – others can say that. But if the goal was to create a persona that was mysterious, whose motives were unclear until the last minute, and who could be reasonably perceived as both evil and heroic ’till the end, he came pretty darn close.

      • atcdave says:

        You do bring up an interesting point Joe. We could imagine Bryce as a rival for Sarah’s affections, but I wonder how different the story would have been if Bomer had been available. Would they have made him a villain? Who would Sarah have killed, or would we have discovered Bryce was briefly married? It would be interesting to know how developed and how changed Bryce’s arc was from the various earlier outlines.

        I’m also torn between being tired of Bryce (and thinking Sarah chose Chuck over Bryce a couple times already); and thinking he’d be more plausible.

    • The Shrink says:

      Long Live AL Bundy!!!

  41. Chuck604 says:

    Great episode, I felt that it made up for “most” of the previous angst, and dark filled episodes that preceded it, relatively speaking I think they made episode 3.13 even better. Although, I thought TPTB could have taken a different path to get to this point. Really loved the part when Sarah finally told Chuck when she fell for him. Also, the fact that she didn’t blink when he confessed to taking Shaw’s life was big symbol of deepness of her trust in Chuck. Glad I have a PVR to watch this episode over the course of the next 3 weeks. Can’t wait for 3.14 now.

  42. Merve says:

    A comment about the promo: Ellie hits Casey with a frying pan! There’s no way that that can’t be awesome.

    • Gabbo says:

      And you know what THAT means, right? None of Casey’s quiche for Ellie…

    • Emily says:

      just saw the promo, it really does look fantastic. So presumably Chuck gets forced into therapy…hmmm, will be interesting to see how that plays out…

    • Waverly says:

      That’s another manner in which the spy’s life of lies can come back to hit you in the head, even though Casey is completely innocent of anything that Ellie might be thinking about his personality.

      • atcdave says:

        Well, we don’t know that yet. But certainly Ellie currently has a rather flawed perception of Casey. I do look forward to the ways that could play out, including getting whacked with a frying pan!

  43. Emily says:

    OMG SO SO good, I was on the edge of my seat!!!!!!!!!!
    Mask? Fake Name? I don’t remember any angst in this season… 😛
    The payoff definitely lived up to expectations
    I appreciated the tank too Sarah 😉
    And my favourite line in the series, to date (excluding ‘babe, i decapitated the bear’ of course) is “You’re still My Chuck”!
    I think I almost squeed out loud at that point.

  44. ChuckNewbie8 says:

    I love these epis, not just for it’s own stand alone value, but because it brings people together and brings new people and old people back on board. Love you all.

  45. JLR says:

    Very good episode. I don’t want to be overly redundant, but it was nice to see so many elements that have been missing most of this season. I have several nits I’d like to pick, but I won’t, save one: given what we got tonight, I still can’t say it was enough “pay-off” for the majority of this season of angst. I might feel differently in 24 hours, however, once I’ve re-watched.

  46. Merve says:

    I apologize for repeatedly posting random thoughts as they come to me, but I’d like to point out that Brandon Routh did a really good job in this episode. He wasn’t all that great for a lot of his stay on the show, but this episode convinced me that he isn’t actually a bad actor.

    Or maybe it’s just easier to play a psycho than it is to play a creepy good guy…

    • joe says:

      No need to apologize, Merve. Random thoughts are just about all I have, too! 😉

      I think you’re right about Routh. He had a tough job – convincing us Shaw was heroic while leaving the door open to “psycho”. I’m sort of glad that it wasn’t Bryce, now, who had to try to destroy the C&S relationship by force. Bryce was redeemed permanently. Shaw, never.

      • Paul says:

        And that is what was tragic about Shaw. He wasn’t a bad man, but he did let his passions and obsession get the best of him.

      • Jason says:

        Routh / Yvonne had no chemistry. Nearly 100% of routh’s scenes were with Yvonne. Routh did ok all season with chuck’s training & as a spy, but when he had dialog with Yvonne, it fell flat, even when mission related esp when love related. What really hurt was this robbed the show of its #1 asset, Yvonne’s interaction with the cast, esp Zach, but just as much her bemused observations of the interplay of the cast when she was not even directly involved.

        one thing that might be obvious about shaw, might not, when did he ‘turn’, I assume it was when the ring director met with him in 3.12 & they hatched the plot about getting the intersect plans, but if so, why leave him unconscious in a building shaw knew was ready to explode – they really had no other opportunity to plot with him, unless they had done it earlier somehow – but if so, that probably opens up many other questions? Or am I missing something?

      • JC says:

        Honestly if they had used Bryce this season and done a somewhat similar story, I would’ve quit watching.

      • Merve says:

        Jason, the Ring didn’t know that Chuck would bring the tracking device to the warehouse.

      • atcdave says:

        You know we’ve been so vocal about the way the major issues resolved themselves last night; but Jason brings up something else I think was huge. The way Routh disrupted the chemistry of the whole cast. I LOVED the exchanges between Sarah and Morgan in the apartment; she was gentle and calm when she cut him loose, and completely bemused when he wanted to join them on their mission. It was a relaxed happy Sarah we’ve seen painfully little of this season. It reminded me of Sarah laughing with Morgan in the first China Town scene in Sizzling Shrimp.

      • herder says:

        So many of the familiar was cast aside to allow for the Shaw arc. There were virtually no fountain conversations between anybody except the short one in Three Words. I don’t think the Morgan Door was used at all. I don’t think that we saw Chuck in the break room except when he used the locker door to Castle in the Beard. These venues were all places where various characters could interact, instead we got Shaw, the person that fun flees from.

      • BDaddyDL says:

        I thought about this when I watched wondercon clips after the show. I think Bryce going nuts would have been more believable, but I think it would have destroyed Chuck. To kill someone to save Sarah is not the problem, the aftermath of the killing though would have been…..something never done in tv that I can recall. Bryce was a love adversary, but he was also a mentor to Chuck, and no matter what you think always had what was best for the country/Chuck first.

        Now that I think about it, when first thought of it, I was like there is no way, but now, well for one, the angst would have been more believable, then Sarah would not have seen so superficial, Chuck would have been seen even by the audience as a little crazy, but then Morgan is still backing him all the way.

        Seriously if you take the last episode and switch Shaw for Bryce, man now that takes TOG in a whole new direction, a much more dramatic turn. The Betrayal is so much worse, but the last scene isn’t so happy, both c/s would be in mourning for a friend.

        Now I am starting to wonder if the writers wrote the episodes for Brice, but had to substitute Shaw when Brice wasn’t available. If you go through some of the scenes with Brice it makes so much more sense, even with the psychiatrist in the next episodes would have been more dramatic.

        I’m sorry this post is a little rambling, but to me this makes sense, and I wonder how much better their vision would have been, or worse it would have been without Larkin.

      • caster says:

        I think it would have been a bad idea to turn bryce in to a bad guy. If you think about it, Bryce (NOT SHAW !)is the perfect spy and is the American hero. He was willing to do anything for the good of the country. He was also willing to destroy the intersec 2.0 because he knew how powerful it was. He was alway protecting Sarah and Chuck. He never forced Sarah to go with him even though he clearly loved her. He saw how much Sarah loved Chucked so he let her go. He was the one that was always willing to make the sacrifice for the good of others, so I don’t think that I would have bought it if they had made him the bad guy

      • Paul says:

        Well, he kinda let Sarah go. I firmly believe his jealousy was in some way a part of his impetus to have Chuck break up with Sarah…..even if he truly was concerned for her safety.

  47. pandachuckkk says:

    Not sure how twitter really works, but i made a page. Theres probably tons but i dont know. Im twitter retarded i just kno its facebook updates basically.

    great great ep of CHUCK not as good as Operation Awesome IMO but still pretty good kinda predictable but finally i think Sarah fchucked Chuck

    http://twitter.com/LiveChuck

  48. JC says:

    One thing that would’ve made the episode even better is if Sarah had said” I kept the wienerlicious uniform”

  49. Jason says:

    I might post something else about what I liked later, but first and foremost, I liked sarah smiling and having fun, lets face it, in this universe, this show, the best way that happens is when she is with chuck – I loved the cutting the cords rather than untangling morgan & the smile as she watched morgan jump in to take care of drunk chuck – a role I am guessing sarah would gladly had done?

    for those who like reviews, most of them are glowing, although most do mention the poorly done season & plot holes, most these reviewers are not by definition shippers, but they almost 100% are CS fans:

    http://news.google.com/news/story?q=chuck&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ftP&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&resnum=3&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dx50I805VTdPM6MH3JGcm8DuAqOCM&ei=FPi6S6XbJ426NurN6Z4H&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CEUQqgIwAA

    • atcdave says:

      DOH! I just posted some of the same comments about the Sarah/Morgan interactions above. I sure hope we get more of this light hearted fun stuff.

    • herder says:

      Morgan is one of the characters that they have done a good job of this year, you get a sense of why he and Chuck are friends. When Chuck and Sarah do get back to Burbank it should be fun with Sarah probably staying at Chuck’s most of the time and I can see difficulties after a few too many night time strolls for Morgan and his low hanging fruit or walking into the bathroom. “Morgan, Chuck and I have decided that it would be best for your training if you moved in with Casey”

      That and I think that the only person more irritated by Morgan than Casey is going to be the General. It should be fun.

  50. Warp says:

    Thank you for saying it all!
    What a nice episode, that one felt good…
    Chuck great, Sarah great, Casey great, Morgan great, Beckman great, Big Mike great — WOW —

    And even though I was wrong in my prediction about the outcome of Chuck pulling the trigger or not – I think we all would have done the same to defend our loved ones… (Actually I think Chuck tried everything he could to save Shaws life as well – he hesitated, tried to talk him down, he waited til the last possible moment)

    So now let me watch 3.13 again 😉

    • Warp says:

      Kind of awkward to reply to your own post but still…

      Excerpt from the Ryan Interview:

      Fedak: Yeah, I know, and I think that in that scene Chuck tries to talk to Shaw. You know, his first instinct isn’t to blow the guy away. His first instinct isn’t to go hog wild. His first instinct is to talk to Shaw, and that’s Chuck. That’s this character. He’s not a classic action hero. John Wayne walks on the scene and blows Shane away, but Chuck Bartowski tries to talk to them.

    • Jason says:

      warp – these next few weeks are going to be sort of fun debriefing ourselves vs our predictions and observations about S3 (1&2 also for that matter)

      hats off to TPTB (first time in a long time that word is not a ‘4 letter’ word)

      I made so many predictions, can’t even reconcile how wrong I was, although by the end I generally knew where it was headed.

      2 things:

      1 – first, prelim ratings up 8%, read this article if interested about optimism for season 4:

      http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/03/theres-good-news-on-the-chuck-ratings-front.html

      2 – when I first posted, I made an observation on NBC that many people trashed me for, that was in 2.21, watching sarah and chuck in the hotel was a little off, sort of like a school teacher and a student, nothing, nothing felt off about last night in paris, yvonne, the shipper, looked almost giddy about the relationship’s consumation forthcoming – that was about as romantic ‘feeling’ as a show can have

  51. joe says:

    As I type 177 comments, and not one mentions the return of Anna!

    I’m really looking forward to seeing her again!

    • Paul says:

      I wonder what brings her crawling back. And if Morgan has “grown” beyond her.

      • Waverly says:

        Not likely — remember when Casey considered her as a candidate for recruitment? Maybe that’s exactly what happened, but Morgan never found out.

      • atcdave says:

        It would be funny if Anna were now an agent; maybe the guy she ran off with was some recruiter sent by Casey. I just hope she’s back for more than a single episode.

  52. weaselone says:

    I also like that Big Mike is still trying to sell all of those excess crock pots in this episode.

    • Jen says:

      That was a fun touch! Big Mike with an apron and a spatula, that is hiolarious!

      I also like him being a father figure for Morgan.

  53. DaveB says:

    This was a fun show, but the issue with Sarah isn’t going away in my mind. The whole thing with Chuck not being her Chuck because he killed someone, but it doesn’t matter if it’s Shaw, just doesn’t gel in my mind. She recovered emotionally a little too quickly, but then TPTB were running out of time…

    Other than that it was a good episode. I think the problem is that Shaw wasn’t a likable enough character in the previous episodes for people to be vested enough in his going bad. I knew he was bad from the moment he said “I’m the safest guy in the world” and they cued the dark music. They repeated the dark music in this episode and I said “I told you so!” to no one in particular.

    I know what people mean by feeling better about “the happy Sarah”. The verbal play and banter was much more fun, and Sarah didn’t have that “return of the liking dead” look that she shared with Shaw. It’s like Chuck’s confession of love drove the Shaw demons out of her.

    So hopefully this makes a return to the Chuck we know and love to watch, and hopefully for NBC’s sake, a return to the show we encourage others to watch…

    • Jason says:

      dave, chuck did just about everything but cure world hunger to win sarah – in 3.12, he did not betray casey, even though it was going to cost him sarah, yet he did not give up on her either, he kept fighting, then in 3.13, he saved her in the desert, then in paris, she was paralyzed, with no hope since she was with her boss and a man she trusted, facing her worst nightmare (killing the mark), and chuck goes rogue and saves the day just in time, not only does chuck not have anything to worry about with sarah, but I think chuck could go ‘tiger woods’ on her and not lose her, although my guess is an assortment of waitresses, actresses, and porn stars would probably mysteriously wash up on Venice Beach if you know what I mean, my guess is jealous sarah is not one to be trifled with.

      • atcdave says:

        I’m thinking Chuck might loose some body parts in that situation too!

      • herder says:

        It’s not a good idea to cheat on a trained assasin wielding a knife, just saying you know.

      • Jen says:

        Specially if pulls out a HUGE knife from her bra… seriously, that was awesome!

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        Did we ever find out what happened to Jill? Maybe she didn’t run away, maybe she mysteriously “disappeared”? LOL.

        Seriously reading your recaps I’m still stuck on the fact that Sarah was wearing Chuck’s shirt. Great call back to Lethal Weapon and also makes me think…

      • Jen says:

        Who knows where she is, but if she’s smart she’ll stay the heck away =P unless she’s in trouble and then Chuck is the only that can help her. You know Chuck would help her…

        Yeah, the shirt… Good one Chuck, changing Sarah into your shirt! =P

        I’m thinking about your Lethal Weapon comment but i’m not connecting… 😦

      • Jason says:

        chuck is too much of a gentleman to change sarah into his shirt, he probably had to call morgan for help, of course, chuck wouldn’t let morgan look, and all those knives would be showing up ourt of nowhere, Morgan and chuck probably both end up bleeding

      • Jen says:

        Well, he just HAD to change her into his shirt… unless she was just gonna go to sleep in that coat… too uncomfortable.

        Morgan can’t help cause he’s back in Burbank. It was all Chuck 🙂

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        At the very beginning of lethal weapon, when she got up out of bed she’s wearing the exact same shirt that Chuck wore for “The Montgomery” sans the white dinner jacket.

        Have a look see, you’ll be in shipper heaven 😀

      • Matt Simons says:

        Hate to break the mood, but she was still awake when Chuck shot Shaw. She may have changed herself back at the hotel room. She was drugged so she didn’t remember a whole lot. I don’t see Chuck changing her, though. Its OOC for him. He may have removed her jacket, but everything else I think she did.

        Sorry to be downer.

      • Jen says:

        Matt.. bursting my bubble!! 😛
        Yeah, he’s too respectful for his own good. Still, he had to help cause Sarah was awake, but not functional.
        Anyway, this is not important to the story.. just something my shipper heart noticed 🙂

        Jem… i’m gonna put the DVD on tonight. Wait, i think i remember now. Is it the English flag shirt? That lookes small, like it’s hers. no?

      • Josh says:

        She was paralyzed, kinda hard to change your clothes when paralyzed 😉

        But seriously, it’s one of those things you ‘ll never figure out. Like Sarah’s hairstyle change at the start of the episode, it’s like she just pluged a curling iron in Shaw’s Tesla or something

      • Jen says:

        Maybe she has a CIA Spy issue, ultra-light, ultra-portable, flat iron, that you can plug to the cigarette lighter…

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        Jen, well Chuck’s not that big lol. Make sure to take note of the cut on the bottom portion…I think she cut it off coz it’s hers now lol.

        The old Chuck wouldn’t have even brought her to a hotel, much less removed her clothes. I think this Chuck would lol. Besides she’s paralyzed…I’m picturing a Office and a Gentlemen walk through the streets of Paris to the hotel here. I need an emoticon for this feeling lol.

      • Jen says:

        Well, this Chuck already knows she’s with him… so yeah, i’m gonna go for the thought that he helped her into his shirt 🙂

        You know, i never noticed the shirt was cut off. Putting on that DVD will be the first thing i do when i get home!!! as if my little shipper heart needs any more reasons to be happy…

      • Jason says:

        plus, sarah has walked around chuck (and casey) near naked on more than one occasion – beefcake / nacho sampler to name two. The shape sarah was in on that bridge, she was quite happy to have someone who not only loves her around, but also was such a true friend as well as a loyal professional partner. Chuck 3.12 / 3.13 is the whole package as far as sarah walker is concerned, bryce and bartkowski all rolled up into one

      • Matt Simons says:

        Officer and a Gentleman

        I’m not going to get that picture out of my mind now. I do believe there are a couple of shippers that have officially reached Nirvana. Now that they have them together, I hope they know what to do with them.

        I wonder if they’ll ever use Joe Cocker’s “Up Where we Belong” on Chuck. That would finish off your Officer and a Gentleman Chuck carrying Sarah scene.

        Maybe he carried her like he did Shaw, fireman’s carry. Just kidding!

    • odysszeus says:

      You’re rigth Dave: Sarahs emotional recover ist too fast. Also chuck killed someone, in particular -> Shaw. It seems that all dosen’t matter, now she is with chuck.
      easy, isn’t it… 😉
      btw. Yvonne is playing this adorable happily Sarah very nicely. so: who cares about the plot wholes…
      Let’s enjoy the Party

      • Paul says:

        Again, I don’t think it was necessarily Chuck killing someone that freaked Sarah out, it was the context of the killing and what that context would mean to Chuck’s soul. Passing a Red Test means you cold-bloodedly executed someone merely because you were told to. What Chuck did was different, and Sarah understood that. He defended someone who was helpless and in mortal danger and only did the killing when all other options were exahausted. Hence why the “you shot him” was quickly followed up by a “you saved me”.

      • Chuck604 says:

        Like you said Paul, I think Sarah finally realized that Chuck would only kill in situations where he had no other choice. The fact she mentioned “you saved me” without any doubt or hesitation is because she decided to take a proverbial leap of faith with Chuck. She loves him so she trusts him implicitly at this point. Took her sometime to confront her feelings and get to this point.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah, I’m with Paul and Chuck604 on this one. There was no moral ambiguity in the situation where Chuck killed. Sarah never wants to see Chuck as a killer; but a guy who will protect his friends and family is a little different. I think “You’re still my Chuck” was one of the sweetest lines I’ve ever heard and it mended a lot of damage (standard disclaimer about never rewatching 6 episodes from this season, including next Monday’s rerun).

    • Waverly says:

      It’s a good thing that it’s clear that Sarah chose Chuck before Chuck shot Shaw.

  54. Judy says:

    There’s so much in this terrific episode! Taking it all in, my favorite part is the guitar hero scene starting when Morgan walks in the door and ends when Morgan goes for coffee. When part of the scene was shown on Bonnie Hunt, it didn’t seem all that great, but in context, it was perfect.

    Adding Morgan to Team Bartowski is a game changer that will really improve the show. It brings back the fish out of water/wonder at the spy world that was missing throughout the first part of season 3. In Season 3 until Morgan’s involvement, the spy world was dangerous in a dark skirting on tragic way. Maybe that was also the addition of Shaw. In any event, with Morgan involved, it returns to fun.

    I found the Morgan character to be too goofy/a bit annoying in the first 2 seasons. In the third season, they hit the right balance with Morgan. For Morgan, everything in the Beard was perfect, especially his expression after he and Chuck come out of Castle. In the Other Guy, having Morgan use his everyday skills to identify the flaws in the video was a great touch. It was the kind of thing that Chuck (the character)did in the first 2 seasons that he lost in Season 3. Morgan in the spy world also creates a good justification for keeping the Buy More.

    Having said all this about Morgan, what really made the episode terrific was Chuck and Sarah. Finally!

    • DaveB says:

      There is a deleted scene from season 2 where Chuck and Sarah are having a romatic candle-lit pizza from Sbarro’s when suddenly Morgan shows up…

      “…people don’t understand Morgan Night. Wow, Sbarro, red wine…You know what goes with this? Me.”

      To which Chuck says “We’re doomed, aren’t we?”

    • Waverly says:

      I’m confident that Morgan is on the team for comedic relief as well as being Chuck best friend. (Well, #1 or #1a, now.)

      But I’m wondering what he’s going to have to do to convince Beckman that he’s worth it. He doesn’t have the “features” that Chuck had at the beginning, and even then Chuck was threatened with termination several times.

      Which leads me to hope that there’s some growth in the Beckman character. Something about flexibility in the concept of what makes a good spy.

      • DaveB says:

        She’s grown quite a bit already…She didn’t call in an airstrike on Chuck, as I’m sure she was tempted to do when he woke her up and pulled Morgan into view…

      • Paul says:

        Well, Morgan already know the secret, and Casey essentially offered her a deal she couldn’t refuse. It is going to be hilarious seeing Morgan interacting in the spy world, particularly during briefings.

        As for what he brings, I think Morgan is a man of untapped potential, just like Chuck was. He is brave to a fault. And although annoying sometimes, he is very observant and strikes me as a smart person who never really challenged himself.

      • atcdave says:

        I look forward to the ways Morgan can be worked into the spy plots. I think Chuck (and Sarah and Casey) would have some autonomy in selecting their civilian assets; and someone who’s brave, loyal, intelligent, (and annoying) might be a great candidate.

        I was wondering though, as Sarah was standing there laughing at Morgan’s excitement over a mission; does he have any clue how dangerous she is? That could be interesting to see, like Devon with the “two guards with machine guns.”

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I will expire the first time I hear, “Stay in the car Morgan!” LMAO.

      • Crumby says:

        LOL can’t wait for this one!!!

  55. HenryH says:

    Appropos of nothing, who do you think sent the arrangement of lillies to Chuck and Sarah’s room. There’s a little card on the table next to the vase…

    • Gabbo says:

      Speaking of things like that: I guess we’re supposed to notice that Chuck turned the “you belong out there saving the world” speech from Ring on its head in the DYLM scene. And also to notice that rather than telling Chuck “one mission at a time” (a la Colonel), Sarah said “just one more mission.”

    • BeCoolBoy says:

      And I don’t think we should ignore Fedak refused to put “I Love You” in Sarah’s mouth. Let’s hope that her “I fell for you” line doesn’t become the “It’s real” meme of the back six. Any woman–even Sarah Walker–would have said I love you. Women know more than men how important those, er, Three Words are.

      • Warp says:

        Mmmh BeCoolBoy, I thought about that one too, but maybe it’s just part of her “broken” character that first has to be overcome before she can really say it out loud(do you think she truly admitted her love to anybody ever before?)

        And by the way, even if it was a “small” thing to say – doesn’t she actually admit feeling (falling) for Chuck since the time of the _first_ episode?!

      • John says:

        Yep she said she fell for him after he fixed her phone but before he diffused the bomb…so he had her at hello pretty much.

        But Sarah was sighing and staring at Chuck by episode 2 so it was pretty obvious to everybody but Chuck.

    • Who Dat says:

      If I am not mistaken Chuck knows that is her favorite flower, so since its a swanky hotel, he ordered her some.

    • AngelTwo says:

      I think you’re also supposed to get:
      1) The flip of the “take a vacation with me” meme from Act 2 of Ring. This time Sarah is going with Chuck.
      2) The flip of the “you saved me” from the finale of Ring. Chuck downloaded Intersect 2.0 to save her and she wasn’t happy. Now Chuck kills to save her and she is happy.
      3) The repeat of the “bring everything” moment from Ring (first wedding) in the rescue scene. Including paratroopers crashing through ceilings.

      These are very self-referential fellows, even to the point of parody.

  56. Waverly says:

    So when did Shaw turn to the Ring?
    When he put on his old wedding ring at the hospital?
    When he talked to the Director on the phone at the hospital?
    Did he secretly meet the Director again, at that facility where Shaw and Sarah later went at the beginning of 3.13?

    What was supposed to have happened at that facility if Chuck and friends hadn’t dropped by? What was Shaw planning?

    • BDaddyDL says:

      Great question, I personally think that the director called him on that phone call. Things happened fast after that. As far as the facility goes, Shaw wanted to kill her but had to wait for his plan to pan out. That meant Sarah had to find out that she killed Mrs Shaw.
      Chuck coming in with the 82nd airborne was just icing on the cake.

    • atcdave says:

      Shaw couldn’t have done too much driving back and forth, he was driving a Tesla! um…. maybe stopped somewhere for a 12 hour recharge!

  57. Dan says:

    I think the thing, that really made this episode cool was the writing.I am a college baseball player so my practices and games, sometimes get in the way of me watching the show live, so usually my sister or my mother will watch the show and relate what happens b4 i buy it on itunes. Neither my mom nor my sister really follow the show and they dont really understand all of the characters, but yesterday when i was watching live, they walked in the room glanced at the screen, and stayed for the rest of the episode. After the show was done they both said that they were impressed with this particular episode, and that it was written for viewers like themselves, who like to jump in and out of the show every now and then.
    SO basically after that long post what i was trying to confur was, kudos to the writers and their efforts for this episode because they need the new viewers and the ones who left to gradually come back if this show has a chance.

    • The Shrink says:

      Welcome Dan…

      I wish I had an intersect that could have taught me to hit a slider. If so, I could have been big time!!!

    • joe says:

      So tell us, Dan. What did YOU think of it?
      I can tell you what the perspective of a middle-aged, married man is, but what about a college ball-player?

      You’re in a much more important demographic than I am! 😉

  58. herder says:

    Overnight numbers are in, 2.1 demo, 5.77 million, tied with 24 in the demo and behind it by about 800,000 viewers. Really, the show needs better than this to get season 4, here’s hoping it picks up in 3.14.

    • Drakan says:

      I am surprised that so many people over at the NBC forums are excited about the 2.1

    • John says:

      We need to get back to a 2.5 in the back six to really be safe IMO.

      But certainly going back under 2.0 would be all but a death sentence.

      Remember to keep watching it live even during the repeats.

      Besides First Class, being shown next week, is a pretty decent episode.

      • atcdave says:

        Sorry, I gotta pass on that one; no Hannah for me, period. But I’m up for The Beard the next week, I love Morgan’s discovery.

    • AngelTwo says:

      First and foremost, folks, it really is important to remind people that NO show ever “saved” by the fans lives past the extra season it got.

      Two, these ratings are totally consistent with Season 2. The minute TPTB went to the angst, the ratings fell and never recovered to their earlier levels.

      Three, NBC is doing horrifically. Law & Order is doing almost as badly now as Leno was at 10pm. So as bad as 2.1 is, it’s outperforming for NBC. Viewers are clearly tuning into Chuck, then drifting away.

      Four, I think you’ll get a good sense of what NBC hopes for based on how it promotes Chuck during this three week absence. Heavy promo means hope. No promo means NBC is content to let it sink or swim alone.

      Five, this may have nothing at all to do with Chuck. Gaspin/Bromstead have to decide what 2010-11 will be for NBC. Whether they clean the slate and go with a lot of new shows or patch and fill with mediocre performers like Chuck.

      Six, if ratings pick up substantially for the back six and the back six is relatively happy and mostly Chuck-Sarah together, there will be lots of questions asked.

      Seven, Warners interest at continuing the produce the show at such a low licensing fee would be an issue.

      Eight, a lot will depend on the quality of the pilots they’ll be seeing in following weeks.

      Nine, Chuck has probably had the longest run in one time slot for a bubble show in years. You have to wonder why NBC hasn’t at least tried to move it around give that, as bad as its ratings have been, it has always outperformed the night this year, at least.

      Ten, what does NBC have in mind for their post-football Sunday nights in 2011.

      Lots of questions, not to many answers…

  59. Rick Holy says:

    It’s hard to get people to “turn on again” once they’ve already “turned off,” no matter HOW GREAT the episode may have been from many of the fans’ perspectives.

    It’s like the “HEROES” think. I was a Heroes junkie. But the shows got so bad, I just didn’t even tune in anymore. Even if it “improved,” it wouldn’t have mattered (to me) because I had already “tuned out.”

    Truth be told, I’ll take the 2.1. It’d be nicer to have seen a 2.3 or 2.4.

    If there IS a possible S4 for CHUCK, I’m seeing it again as a 13 episode episode order as a mid-season replacement for the NBC pilots that will likely flop again. The thing is that if NBC DOES decide to give CHUCK another shot, then by all means at least TRY it on another night/time. That’s the one thing they HAVEN’T done – with the exception of this season’s Sunday premiere.

    If there’s a glimmer of “good news,” it’s that AGAIN, CHUCK out-performed everything else on NBC on Monday night. (Of course, the other shows were up against the NCAA tournament game, but still, even without the NCAA game, in previous weeks CHUCK always seems to be the highest rated show for NBC). Not exactly worth yelling from the top of the Empire State building giving the sad state of affairs with NBC programming (especially on Monday nights), but at least it’s SOMETHING to hold onto.

    Will be interesting to see what transpires in future weeks (after the next two re-runs).

    • Rick Holy says:

      Oops! Almost forgot. WHATEVER happens, “We’ll ALWAYS have episode 3.13!!” 🙂

    • herder says:

      Rick, it’s a bit better than you have painted. Remember that in Mountain and Pacific time zones we were against basketball too, so I suspect that in the east this week was up as compared to last week, the trend is going the right way. Is it enough and will it be apparant soon enough, that is the big question.

    • John says:

      During the last half hour Chuck got the same ratings as 24. That was nice to see.

      Anyway I am feeling pretty confident we will be another midseason replacement. At least one of their pilots will flop and Chuck has a devoted fanbase and is a consistent performer….consistently mediocre but still.

    • Drakan says:

      No offense, but I felt 3.13 lacked the chemistry that was present during other epic C/S moments in season 1&2.

      • John says:

        No offense but I could not disagree with you more. Sarah even had some funny lines with him that Yvonne delivered excellently.

        Frankly I have no clue what lack of chemistry you were referring to.

    • Jason says:

      If I had to pick two eps to watch in season 3 so far, I would pick 3.5 (introduces shaw, his wedding ring, his character,etc) and 3.13 to show the conclusion to it all. I would guess NBC will show 3.13 as the second episode to draw as big of a demgraphic as possible. I liked the CS stuff in 3.13 & the 3.14 preview, but it is hard not to notice, they both are almost bending backwards to avoid body contact below the neck – aren’t they? I wonder if something isn’t going on there – maybe one or both started liking those scenes too much – I once heard awesome in an interview saying if zach ever needed a standin he would be glad to volunteer – LOL?????

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      Second that Fr. Rick. 2.1 is above 2 which is above the scary under 2 range. Now that would really make it almost surely easy to cancel.

  60. Waverly says:

    It’s interesting to see that even in the elevator, Chuck recognized that if he continues to use a tranq gun, Sarah will need to act as the “ruthless spy” for both of them.

    What I didn’t understand is why Chuck didn’t shoot the assistant, just as the Director suggested, and the other security guy that entered.

    • John says:

      What I don’t understand is why Chuck didn’t just tranq the director and take him in.

    • weaselone says:

      Up until that point, Chuck was trying to play his weapon of as a real gun. tranquing someone would have given him away. Obviously the director wasn’t fooled anyway, so the act was for naught, but it is a legitimate reason for not using the darts. The bigger question is why he or Sarah didn’t simply cold cock the other two individuals.

    • Waverly says:

      That’s true, but why would they care about “acting” or “looking” a certain way in front of the Director?

      Having additional people around greatly complicates the mission, so disabling them humanely should take priority.

    • joe says:

      On first viewing, I got the definite impression that Sarah didn’t want to pull the trigger either.

      I’m not so sure about that on the second viewing, but she certainly wasn’t trigger happy. Maybe just – reluctant.

  61. Waverly says:

    A minor nit-pick, but one that bothered me last night. In seeing the episode again, it occurred to me what it was: the background seen through the windows of the hotel room was left-right reversed.

    That vista was taken from the Tour Montparnasse, a tall office skyscraper.

  62. Crumby says:

    I didn’t have time to read everything yet, but I just wanted to post a few things I liked.

    1/ The beginning:
    I liked the tension of the first scene. Then when Shaw tells Sarah about her Red Test, the music is great It changes the atmosphere. I found BR was great in that scene, I liked him and YS was amazing. Yet again when they embrace something’s still not there, but nevermind. As often the scene changes again, and Chuck’s hilarious with his Tank! It’s a pretty good opening scene, which I think illustrates well what Chuck is: this amazing mix of genres.

    2/ Back to castle with Beckman, great as usual in this episode, and Shaw still being the great spy he seems (like Chuck will say later, nothing is what it seems that would be the slogan of season 3). He even attempted to be funny with is stealth bomber.
    Then I loved Chuck and Sarah exchange first her “Thank you for savong me” with Chuck looks, and then “I appreciated the Tank” lol. Awesome.

    3/ Morgan’s “Make me!” right after Chuck flashed, you know it’s going too beb bad! Lol

    4/ Sarah cutting Morgan free!

    5/ Then of course I liked the C/S scene. From the long long pause after the DYLM, Sarah looks like she’s gonna exploded, she just couldn’t say it. That leads to her “Yes.” answered by a “should probably put some pants on”. Lol
    So now we know, she fell for him in the Pilot. And I liked how Sarah made herself slide to kiss Chuck.
    And the “You’re still my Chuck”! *sigh*

    6/ I liked Chuck and Sarah as partners, pretty fun, let you think the back six are going to be great.

    7/ “That… That what four words.”

    8/ C&S are pretty complementary in that elevator scene, I liked that (the secretary/assistant from Chuck, Barcelona from Sarah).

    9/ “I give up management position in a down economy.”

    10/ I liked that Morgan figured out about Shaw. He’ll be the Chuck from season 1 in the next eps. “Chuck did you see brain matter?”

    11/ Beckman in her PJ’s!

    12/ Morgan’s speech to Casey.

    13/ Casey telling Chuck to be what he was before: smart! Great from the one that called him Moron for 2 years lol. But it was great to tell Chuck that he’s not just the Intersect or a trained spy.

    14/ YS acting being druged. She has a gift for playing with facial expressions! But hey, we already knew that!

    15/ I like what they did to Shaw. He wasn’t really evil, just consumed by revenge. But he didn’t want Sarah to suffer and didn’t try to kill Chuck or give him to the Ring.

    16/ The “didn’t even need to flash” from last week took all its sense here.

    17/ The music from the beginning was back. Loved it.

    18/ Casey’s back in business.

    19/ “We don’t do pranks.”

    20/ And that last scene… when Chuck goes to the bed I wandered “why Chuck’s taking the computer…” The eternal interruptions… This time it didn’t stop them.

    22/ Glad that they didn’t make a big deal out of Chuck killing Shaw. Chuck has understood the Mauser incident, “he did what he had to do” like Sarah did back then.

    23/ The way Chuck stoped the kiss to smile at Sarah, like in Colonel.

    24/ The All-star out of the bed!

    • BDaddyDL says:

      Ya know I completely missed that dropped line from GMH that was a stroke of brilliance on their part, I have already seen this on hulu and nbc.com (of course live) now i will download it off itunes when available so i can watch it whenever I wanna!

    • Jen says:

      Crumby, i loved the touch of Chuck’s chuck sticking out of the bed.
      I agree with your 1 thru 24 points 🙂 FOr #4, how about Sarah pulling out that knife from her bra??? that was just pure genius and awesomeness!!

    • herder says:

      I was rewatching a bit and noticed what that secretary/assistant was saying, “I spoke to agent #6 and the coup is going ahead as planned; the
      Spanish Ambassador called about the ransom, he wants to close today”. This is wonderfully silly, sort of like the Fulcrum posters last year in First Kill.

  63. Jen says:

    Guys, do you know if there is a way to subscribe to get all the comments here even if you are not posting a comment at the moment?

    But i’m taking advantage now and selecting the checkboxes. Commenting from my iPhone and checking the boxes doesn’t work, i dont get subscribed.

    I’m still riding the C&S wave! I saw some of the ep again this AM before heading out to work. I’m addicted (even more????), but then so are all of u! =P I’m in good company 🙂

    • Matt Simons says:

      Subscription didn’t work for me either.

      I am glad iTunes carries Chuck. No DVR. I think I’ve watched it 5 times now. I can’t wait for 3.14. We’ve waited a long time for this!

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      well there’s the RSS. But I suppose you mean when you comment? I think that’s only doable for the writer of the thread.

      Shipper high—it’s real. CDC is still investigating it’s long term consequences LMAO.

      • Jen says:

        THe long term consequences may be:

        -smiling for so long the smile becomes permanent on your face

        -Not being to think or talk about anything not related to Chuck

        -Zoning out thinking of the great C&S moments in 3.13

        -Or getting FIRED because you didn’t get your work done cause you were on the CHUCK THIS blog all day!… This one i’m afraid will happen to me…

        Matt, i just bought the p on iTunes 🙂

      • atcdave says:

        I’m supposed to vacuuming right now, my wife is on her way home from work, I sense impending doom.

      • Jen says:

        I think we are all gonan be in some kind of trouble today. I’m supposed to be working on an Server/Workstation inventory!

        Being a Chuck blogger is more fun than being a systems admin. I wish being a Chuck blogger wouldp pay $$$…

      • Matt Simons says:

        I’m proctoring a state reading test. All I o is hand out tests, make sure there is no cheating, and write down in the comments if and when a person needs to leave to use the restroom.

        I think I can spare some time to read and comment on this blog, don’t you?

        Just 2 more days of this. Yeah!!

  64. Gabbo says:

    Since it’s never too early to spitball about what new damage TPTB could do to the show, I wonder if we can start thinking about the “game changers” for e18-19. I guess with can assume something regarding Chuck and Sarah (hence Ring Part 2) as one of the two they claim they’ve planned.

    But I wonder if they might actually consider de-intersecting Chuck and are planning a potential Season 4 with a normal-guy spy.

    Consider:
    1) They had Chuck in e12 specifically point out that he’d shot without needing to flash.
    2) They had Casey in e13 exhort Chuck to forget about flashing and concentrate on being smart.
    3) They showed Chuck unable to flash (or continue to flash) to save Sarah even though he’d done that in Pink Slip. In other words, his emotions seem to be more troublesome now. And with Sarah now by his side (finally), well, there should be MORE emotions from Chuck.
    4) We know he’s got shrink issues in the back six.
    5) Papa Bartowski returns, which reopens the Ring discussion he had with Bryce. You know, the changes to the initial design and Bryce’s “you don’t want to know” response.
    6) Papa B was referred to last season as even crazier than Chuck and Sarah remembered. Could that be the effects of the intersect.
    7) Although Fedak said in the Ryan interview that he didn’t ever want Ellie to know Chuck’s secret, there is her ret-con to neurology. It’s a Chekov’s gun thing. They wouldn’t have done it unless they’ll need it later.
    8) Conceits like the intersect are hard to write for because they become crutches to get the writers out of the constantly hairier situations they construct.
    9) Not having Chuck flash could be twinned with an enemy, say the as yet undefeated Ring, developing its own intersect. That would make Chuck’s Season 4 enemy an image of his former self, which he’d have to combat with his native intelligence.
    10) There’s still the issue of why Bryce, who had no problem sending Chuck the Intersect 1.0, pleading with Chuck to destroy Intersect 2.0. And he didn’t say, “It doesn’t work right.” He said, “It’s too powerful.”

    Of course that line COULD be an opening to suggest that Intersect 2.0 was meant to be shared. After all, Bryce didn’t have any doubts about Intersect 2.0 until AFTER he learned Sarah wasn’t going with him…

    Lots to work with…

    • Lauren says:

      A de-intersected Chuck as spy has such potential. I think it would be fun and interesting to see that happen.

      To join in the speculation, I think that we might see #6 and the intersect is revealed as a detriment to the health/well being of the person using it, i.e. Chuck. Maybe Papa B’s appearance is to relay this information to Chuck and his team but before he can figure out a way to remove it, he dies. Then the focus might switch to finding a way to remove the intersect from Chuck once and for all. Might not qualify as a “game-changer” but it shake things up a bit.

    • Waverly says:

      Maybe at the end of season 4 Chuck and Sarah both get Intersect 3.0 which lets the two of them communicate telepathically, at least with each other.

      Lots more growth as a spy partnership, with opportunities for unreliable/inadvertent/unexpected communications producing drama or comedy.

      Just kidding, sorta.

  65. DaveB says:

    You know…She never did say “I Love You”…

    • Jen says:

      I know, and i was waiting for her to say it. She saud “Yes” and we knwo she does, but i would have wanted to hear her say the words. I hope she’s working up to it.

    • Rick Holy says:

      I think that will happen eventually. Not in a “big dramatic way,” but it will happen.

      And not to play Devil’s Advocate (alright, I’m playing Devil’s Advocate), did she really have to SAY “I love you?” She was asked a question. Do you love me?, to which she answered more than once YES!

      Not to trivialize this, but if someone asked me, “Do you love Chicago-style deepdish pizza?”, I WOULDN’T answer, “I love Chicago-style deepdish pizza.” I would simply answer, YES!!”

      She LOVES the guy! And she’ll use those words eventually. In the context of their conversation, they didn’t actually NEED to be said. A heatfelt “YES” was all that was needed!

      So hang in there my friend, she’ll say it, she’ll say it!!

      • Jen says:

        I know… you are right 🙂 I’m happy with her YES, so that will carry me through until she says the 3 little words everyone wants to hear their loved one say. Hey.. maybe she did say it and we are just not shown… but i think they would let us see that.

    • atcdave says:

      They’re just trying to draw as many “epic moments” as possible out of the thing.

      • Rick Holy says:

        Agreed, mi amigo. Perhaps my conjecture that it will not be a “big moment,” is not so insightful, after all. She’ll probably give Chuck the BIG “I love you,” after he’s shot, or when he’s sent to the psych ward, or if Daddy Bartowski dies, etc., etc., etc.

    • Jason says:

      i think sarah is going to be ‘over the top’ (that could have more than one meaning) in her ‘love’ for chuck, if I were writing, sarah’s ‘passion’ for chuck would be one of the sources of comedy for me, and yep, the intersect would be fully functional in that regard, it was designed for bryce afterall and seduction is part of being a spy???

      • Gabbo says:

        Jason-
        If they do it right, Sarah WILL be over the top. After all, as lizjames wrote, “crazy in love” Sarah used to do things like threaten to cap Longshore and commit treason for Chuck. So the publicly in love Sarah could be a cascade of chaos.

        Or, you know, Suburbs. Cook omelettes for Chuck with one hand and off a baddie with the other…

      • Jen says:

        The possibilities for highly entertaining moments and very sweet moments are endless!

      • Matt Simons says:

        Can’t wait to see Sarah start “nesting”. Chuck’s room, which is a shrine to Geekdom, will slowly start being invaded by Sarah’s things. The shots we’ve seen of her apartment are pretty empty. What type of stuff are we going to see in his apartment as evidence of her living there?

        Sarah doesn’t have the stuffed animals, or the bed ruffle around the bottom of her bed, or anything else typically present in a woman’s apartment. I can’t think of anything other than a picture or two that she had in her apartment as decorations.

        Will she leave her knives lying around? Maybe clip or two for her gun? Something to look for.

      • Gabbo says:

        You know, at first the thought of Sarah Chuck and Morgan in the same apartment seemed TV stupid to me. But if Morgan can be for Sarah what he has already been for Chuck the spy–his, er, batman–it could be great. Chuck and Sarah have a personal assistant. Cook them dinner, that kind of stuff.

        Too bad TPTB wasted 13 episodes with crap no one wanted to see…

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I loved how Morgan took command of Chuck and got him sobered up and mission ready.

        I’m really loving this year’s Morgan overall.

      • Jen says:

        Morgan is a true friend and Sarah finally understands how inportant he is to Chuck. I loved her smile as Morgan picked up Chuck from the floor at took him to get him ready.

        In true nerd fashion, i felt bad for those controllers Sarah cut to free Morgan.

        Or how about this… i recognized the laptops as IBM thinkpads with a Microsoft logo on them. NERD!!!

      • Matt Simons says:

        I agree. Pulling Morgan out of some of the hi-jinx at the Buy More made him less of a clown and opened up the possibilities for using him in the “A” story more often instead of being relegated to the “B” or “C” stories which usually include Big Mike, Jeff, and Lester.

        How Anna will fit in with “Agent” Grimes will be interesting.

      • Jen says:

        That will be interesting… how Anna will mix with Morgan’s new “spy” life and his new “cover” job at the Buy More… Morgan sneaking around is going to be hilarious.

      • Matt Simons says:

        I’m wondering how much more of Jeff and Lester’s spying will intersect with the real spies doing their jobs. They proved useful this episode, I’m wondering what will happen if they eventually get in the way.

      • herder says:

        I can see Sarah getting territorial at Chuck’s apartment, but aside from clothes the only personal thing that I can see her bringing over is a heavy bag. That alone might be enought to freak out Morgan. “Hey, that looks pretty cool, can I try that…ow I think I broke my foot”.

        Also, if Chuck and Sarah are closer, and she is at the apartment more, there is still sister Ellie across the courtyard who is a better spy than all of them at emotional stuff for Sarah to deal with.

        That and I love the part of the promo that shows her sitting on Chuck’s lap while he is driving a Vespa. It is live, but it seems as fanciful as those vacation pictures from Suburbs.

      • Josh says:

        They are actually handcuffed together in the Vespa scene, so she kinda has to sit in his lap. But yeah you ‘re right, it’s a cute thing.

        Anyways, for pure comedic value I want Morgan living with his handler, Casey. That cohabitation is worth a whole season full of laughs IMO.

      • weaselone says:

        If Ellie finds out about Chuck, Sarah and additional time in Paris there will be no windows left intact within a 3 mile radius.

      • BDaddyDl says:

        Even though that would never happen, it still brings so many funny lines into play. Morgan interrupting Casey’s morning freedom program, or Morgan trying to convince Casey who would be the best person on a deserted island…

      • Jason says:

        the heck with corgan, I can’t wait to start shippin sallie, I think those two alone have so much potential for comedy (especially if ellie does not know the secret), one of my fav, would be one of sarah’s playboy marks sees sallie eating in a restuarant, and moves in on them, except the mark makes a move on ellie instead of sarah (little would ellie know she has one of the top ten body guards in the world along as her wing man) – great stuff

      • atcdave says:

        You aren’t kidding Jason, comedy gold! I sure hope they have fun with the possibilities.

      • DaveB says:

        Oh, my, G…I just had this ‘flash’ of Chuck overhearing Casey and Morgan arguing which sandwich would be best on a desert island…

    • joe says:

      Whoa! Long discussion.
      I was thinking about this, about Sarah not saying “I love you.” directly yet. I decided it’s a feature, not a bug.

      It gives us one more thing to look forward to in the back 6.

    • Big Kev says:

      Tweet today from Ali Adler on just this subject….

      “Great question. Kp watching. RT @dada300: Loved last nite’s ep – but will we get to hear Sarah say the actual words “I love you, Chuck”?

      I can’t wait to see crazy in love Sarah. One of the many great things we have to look forward to in the back six.

      • JC says:

        Nice I figured they were saving that for the back six.

        I do wonder how they’ll play crazy in love Sarah, maybe somewhat overprotective of Chuck.

        What I’m looking forward to is Ellie’s reaction to them being together. That will be epic.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah, I think crazy sister Ellie may be better than Sarah crazy in love.

  66. caster says:

    I loved last nights episode although I dont think that it was the best one for me. I would still put the suburbs episode above it. I was laughing so hard when Morgan called Chuck out for misquoting the line and how he is ruining pretty in pink for him, and then adding how he no longer loves that song..
    I was little disappointed that Sarah had mentioned that Casey told her everything because it kind of made it seem that if Casey hadnt told her about it then she would have never chosen Chuck..But I guess the comment about ” you are still my Chuck” made it somewhat okay because that was really sweet.

  67. BDP says:

    Yeah… it was good…

  68. Rick Holy says:

    O.K. After some 320 comments – and I think I’ve read them all – I want to throw something else out at ya’ll.

    On the third watch of the episode, I picked up what I thought was a pretty cool “double meaning” at the end. Now maybe I’m just reading something into this that isn’t there, but perhaps I’m not.

    Did you notice on the bed when Chuck tells Sarah that he shot Shaw, she doesn’t say “You saved me” then. It’s AFTER Chuck says, “I’m still the same person, I’m still CHUCK,” that Sarah says, “You saved me.”

    Sarah needed “saving” not just in the sense of her death being prevented by Chuck, but in terms of Chuck just being “Chuck” for her – probably the first guy in her life who hadn’t used, manipulated and abused her in some way, shape or form.

    So I think he “saved her” in more ways than one – and although the more obvious way was necessary (you couldn’t have her get shot after all), it was the second way that he “saved her” that has much more meaning, because that “save” also preceded the “bridge save.” I hope you get my point here.

    It reminds me of one of the last lines from S2 where Sarah tells Chuck, “I don’t want to save the world, I just want to save ….” (and then she gets interrupted). The part that got cut off was YOU.

    In the end (and hopefully this season WON’T be the end), they wind up saving each other. Sarah’s “You saved me,” was a lot MORE than just about Chuck’s shooting Shaw on the bridge. A lot more.

    Anyway, that’s my take on it.

    • Rick Holy says:

      Oops – I meant “get thrown off the bridge” (not “get shot”) in relation to Sarah’s possible demise.

    • weaselone says:

      Chuck also demonstrated something else here. Unlike her father, Graham, Bryce and Shaw, Chuck put Sarah first. In shooting Shaw he did something to save her he was unwilling to do in order to save himself.

      • BDaddyDl says:

        Also, he wanted her around on this earth even if he killed somone, and I agree there was definetly a double meaning there.

    • atcdave says:

      Rick, that’s one of those things that is so beautiful about this show when they try. I loved the sentiment and the double meaning. Hopefull, this time, they won’t screw it up!

    • Josh says:

      I think it was the realization, on Sarah’s part, that Chuck’s motivation was simply to look out for her, not save the world, not be an uber spy, not listen to orders, just be there for her. And when he had to protect her he did something he wouldn’t do to protect his own life, or fulfill his own dream.

      It’s a pretty powerful thing, especially when you ‘re someone with huge abandonment issues like Sarah, to realize there’s someone right in front of you that will go to any lengths to look out for you.

    • joe says:

      Fr. Rick, I think I caught the same message from Sarah! I read it exactly that same way.

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      I always thought that line was…I want, to be with you. But nevertheless, love the double meaning idea.

      I think with Chuck too it’s the first time someone actually fought for her. Not just in the spy sense, but in all the ways that matter.

    • The shrink says:

      Wow father. That was deep and on the money. How about this as compared to season 1. “chuck save you later”. Line from sarah. Everything alway comes back around. Who needs atlas shrug when we have chuck

    • Paul says:

      Rick I agree with the deeper meaning of “you saved me.”

      BTW, the line in 2.22 was “I don’t want to save the world. I want to…” But the word she mouthed was “stay” not “save”.

  69. weaselone says:

    Knock on Shaw.

  70. Lucian says:

    I’ll add my two cents to the chorus – it was good. I particularly enjoyed:
    – Morgan figuring out that Shaw is a fake
    – Chuck using his brain again
    – General Beckman
    – Death to Poochie
    – Sarah’s “you’re still my Chuck” (my heart was warmed)

  71. BeCoolBoy says:

    Call me paranoid, but I just don’t like the sound of this…

    MO RYAN: Yeah, and I’m hoping it’s going to be fun to see them adjust to them being a couple and see everyone around them adjust to that. Do you think it adds more comedy or more drama to the show?

    YVONNE STRAHOVSKI: I don’t know, I would say maybe more dramatic I guess, in a way, because some problems occur later on. I guess [the relationship adds] a bit of both.

    From the just posted interview:
    http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2010/04/yvonne-strahovski-chuck.html

    • Lauren says:

      As long as it’s not the “lets tear them apart!” kind of drama….

    • Judy says:

      I just read the interview. I’m with you. I want more comedy, romance, action. Less drama.

    • atcdave says:

      One thing I always like about interviews with Yvonne, she seems less into the game playing with the audience than JS/CF, or even Zach. It’s like, she enjoyed the acting challenge and understood why fans were less than thrilled at the same time.

      I wouldn’t read too much into the more drama line, they’ve always played Sarah as the strait character; so whatever drama there is will usually come through her (did you think Casey would be angst filled and weepy?) I hope she does get more comic moments, but Sarah will never be Morgan.

    • weaselone says:

      To be fair, that could easily be the drama that many of us have said they should have gone for this year. Put them together and derive the drama from all the stress, challenges and conflict that their relationship would entail.

      • atcdave says:

        Thanks weaselone, you hit on exactly what I should have said. There’s already drama in life and death situations; add a couple who want to protect each other while serving the greater good, the situation is drama rich.

      • BeCoolBoy says:

        Weaselone-I do hope you are right. That’s the good stuff. But I have very little trust in TPTB anymore. As I’ve said before, waht they know is angst. Real stuff between realistically drawn characters (to the extent a “spy” story can) is great by me…

        I also thought the interview was interesting to hear how Strahovski handled the Shaw stuff. Basically, she drew on the only thing she (we) could understand: Sarah lost Bryce, Shaw lost his wife. All the rest of it clearly was lost to her as it was lost to us. Good to know even the actors didn’t seem to know WTF was going on.

        But the interview also put the “going to Lisbon to with Bryce’s ashes” stuff from e5 into perspective. It was there solely as exposition for newbie viewers to set up the parallel with Shaw. It has no more meaning than that, apparently…

    • Merve says:

      I don’t want to put very strict criteria, but I think that the drama will work well if:

      – Any drama between Chuck and Sarah is resolved within an episode. Keeping the drama between two characters in a relationship for too long is relationship death in TV land.

      – Most of the drama is from external sources, i.e. Chuck-and-Sarah-against-the-world kind of stuff. Now that the Chuck and Sarah are for real, villains might try to exploit their relationship.

    • HenryH says:

      Not to put too fine a point on it, but I’d love to seem some domestic drama between Chuck and Sarah based on their own shortcomings. Sarah knows zilch about day-to-day relationships with someone she loves. Chuck clearly still idolizes Sarah and that’s a place where relationships have trouble as reality sets in.

      This really has comedy / drama gold. It’s worth exploring becasue it’s where the 18-34 demo probably is in its own collective life, too.

      But enough of the PLIs and the mission-related seduction jealously. (Okay, I give Chuck and Sarah ONCE each as they are now coupled. But even that is tricky.)

      • Gabbo says:

        Not to be gross, but I am convinced Levi and Strahovski can find gold in the argument over leaving the toilet seat up.

      • weaselone says:

        They can also play around with the reversal of basic domestic stereotypes in order to generate some laughs.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I can’t wait for the scene where Sarah moves in to Chuck’s with one suitcase, a heavy bag and a picture of Chuck comprising all her worldly possessions.

      • Gabbo says:

        Gabbo/Weaselone/Ernie-
        You know, this totally basic stuff can generate both laughs and pathos at the same time. I mean, if they do a scene where Sarah literally shows up with her life (clothes, a picture, her heavy bag, her, er, knife kits), that can be hilarious AND sad at the same time. The obvious very little baggage joke and the underlying sadness of a 30-year-old woman with NOTHING real in her life. And all the domestic scenarios can play both ways because neither Chuck nor Sarah actually know the roles that well. After all, for all the talk about Sarah’s lack of experience here, Chuck has never had an adult relationship, either.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Agreed, there can be both drama and comedy, or if need be they can put the relationship on hold in the background, which is why I always thought that one more go around on the angst wheel was a poor choice, and dragging it out the way they did was a REALLY poor choice. But that’s past. Moving forward there are endless possibilities. Some I’d like to see:

        Chuck and Sarah visit headquarters as THE CIA power couple. Jealous Sarah scaring away Carmichael groupies (and we get to see scary Sarah again). Now that I think of it, Sarah has never got to be openly jealous. That alone could be fun if Chuck has to go on a seduction mission.

        Sarah trying to develop her nurturing side. Sarah trying to REALLY fit into Chuck’s life as opposed to the cover dating. Is she going to join in the X-Box tournaments? Get Ellie to teach her to bake?

        Now that I think of it most of the possibilities are Sarah trying to adjust. Kind of a reversal of Chuck as a fish out of water in the spy world.

      • herder says:

        I can see a quick scene:

        “Sarah, will you move in with me”

        “I already have”

        “but where’s all your stuff”

        “it’s there, in that drawer”.

        Cue puzzled look on Chuck’s face.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Ahh, but the real question, did she save the Weinerliscious and/or Nerd Herd uniforms?

      • weaselone says:

        Chuck’s also got some things to work on. He’s never lived with a woman who isn’t a domestic goddess(ie Ellie and Morgan) so he to has some adjustments to make. It won’t just be Sarah.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        As long as they keep the fun in dysfunctional I’m fine with it.

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      This kind of drama I can live with. It’s viable, it’s not fabricated…it’s what should be 😉

    • Paul says:

      Just because they wre together, doesn’t mean the angst stops….it just changes… 😉

      I think any problems C/S will have will be normal relationship issues and maybe trying to keep the spy world and their personal lives compartmentalized. Things that may get Chuck into the doghouse temporarily, but not something that will break them up.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        But as Faith said, that’s fine. Normal everyday relationship angst can be funny or dramatic in proper doses, just don’t make an entire season of artificial soapy angst again.

    • John says:

      Any relationship drama that is fun and develops the characters and doesn’t

      a. break them up

      b. and/or involves one cheating on the other

      is fine by me. They are one of the most fun couples in TV history and breaking them up might be fatal to the show. Sarah or Chuck cheating is the moral event horizon that should never be crossed. Jealousy would be fun though so long as it is based on a seduction mission or a misunderstanding.

      • Paul says:

        I could see a scenario that one of their previous LI (Lou, Jill or Cole) were to return needing help. It’d be interesting seeing the two dealing with some jealousy, even if there was nothing going on.

  72. amyabn says:

    I’ve officially lost count of how many times I’ve run through this episode (made easier with my iTunes download).
    I just wanted to add that I love Sarah’s expressions when Beckman pops in via computer. She looks like a kid with her hand caught in the cookie jar, then incredulous, then mischievous. And Chuck’s reaction to “Shut up and kiss me” was funny. Sorry, didn’t read passion, but rather it was more like “now you’re gonna get it” and bam! In a very good way 😉

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      I’m on 5th Amy lol. I’m almost ashamed to say that but eh, the first step in Chuckaholism is admitting it.

      • amyabn says:

        If there is a 12 step program, don’t bother wasting your time telling me about it! I’m not ready for help! I may ask for it if we don’t get a season 4!

    • Mike B says:

      I liked this episode so much that I bought in on Amazon and I was in such a euphoric state that I purchased 5 othe episodes from season 3.

  73. pandachuckkk says:

    ughhhhhhhhhhh!!!…. 5.8 mil at least better than last week at least. but man now a 3 week break.

    • Emily says:

      I don’t know how I’m going to handle three weeks without Chuck!!!!
      I guess it’s time to pull out the old Chuck doll I started making in the break between seasons 2 and 3, and finally sew some hair on him. Anything to fill the Chuck void!

  74. Crumby says:

    I think the “you saved me” at the end was also a way to let him know she was fine with it. I mean he was so worried about her reaction when he told her.

    • joe says:

      It certainly had that effect, Crumby. Her words ended the worries about that for good.

      But I think Fr. Rick was right about that above. Chuck did more than just save her from Shaw.

      Oh – wow. I just realized something. As painful as it’s been, *That* is what this season has been about. S3 in a nutshell is about Sarah needing to be saved spiritually more than physically, and Chuck becoming the person who can do that.

      • DaveB says:

        Exactly…The red eye shadow is gone…Sarah is back from the land of Shaw…

      • Big Kev says:

        Joe,
        You and Father Rick are completely right. The “you saved me” was about so much more than Shaw. It was about Chuck saving Sarah from the trap that she had set herself – that people can’t be trusted, that trusting ultimately leads to betrayal, and that she deserves nothing better than that in her life.
        To answer Faith’s question – was the angst worth it? – I would argue that TPTB have told the story very badly in parts, but now that the original season is over, you can see what they were trying to do.
        At the end of Colonel, Chuck and Sarah love each other – but what do they know about each other? They are in love with idealised versions of the other. After Season 3, as painful as it has been, you can argue that they are now in love with the “real” versions of each other.
        Chuck knows exactly what the spy life has cost Sarah, how damaged she is, how much it takes for her to make even the admissions that she makes in 3.13, and how much it has taken for her to keep him safe.
        Sarah knows exactly how deep Chuck’s love for her is, the moral codes that he is prepared to sacrifice for that love, and the knowledge that she comes first for him, always.
        In other words – for the first time in the series, this love is “real” – based on some form of true knowledge, and conscious choice (as Ernie stated in his post) – not some idealised form of puppy love.
        There are some things about this season that will never sit well with me – Shaw, both in concept and execution, the “Sam” revelation, the recycled PLI’s that told us little we didn’t already know – but I do think this season has been all about making Chuck and Sarah “real” – or as real as can be, given the premise of the show – and I do think the testing of that relationship was a story that needed to be told. Clearly it could have been told in other ways, but I can absolutely accept the premise while deploring some of the execution.

      • Paul says:

        Nice insight Big Kev. I totally agree that the storyline had to occur in way to get Chuck and Sarah on the same page and on equal footing.

      • AngelTwo says:

        Sorry, I don’t buy it…not for a second.

        Not that you’re wrong about what the season was about. After all, lizjames told us back in January this was going to be a journey to “Charles in Charge.” Naturally, Sarah would have to be along on that journey and a way had to be constructed to have her be 1) Chosen by Chuck (American Hero) and 2) Saved by Chuck (Other Guy).

        The problem is that it was NOT inevitable, nor did it have to be that way. We’ve learned absolutely NOTHING about Chuck and Sarah this year that we didn’t already know at the end of Colonel.

        For starters, most of Sarah’s Season 3 pain is STILL unknown to Chuck. All HE knows about Sarah’s Red Test is that she killed Shaw’s wife. And he still knows virtually nothing about Sarah’s issues with the spy life as illuminated this season. Sarah has made it all about HIS Red Test, i.e., that he might not have been the guy she fell for.

        And since Sarah has specifically avoided dealing with Chuck’s pain (after Two Words, Nacho Sampler and even after his Red Test), she doesn’t know all that much about what’s he’s thinking.

        In fact, all Sarah cares about is that he’s still “my Chuck.” And Chuck always accepted Sarah for what she was.

        Chuck saved Sarah somewhere between the phone fix and the Demova virus. And Chuck loves Sarah and “always has.”

        We know that’s true because TPTB told us so. THEY invalided their own season from the relationship standpoint.

      • atcdave says:

        Excellent comments both Big Kev and Angeltwo. I agree with Big Kev as far as Chuck was very much a junior partner to Sarah as of the end of S2; and with something drastic would always come across as the child to Sarah the adult (I don’t mean to take that too far, Chuck always had a level of moral maturity Sarah lacked; but in most ways, he was the child). So this seasons great accomplishment was putting them on more equal footing.

        But the methodology was horrible. That they reorted to PLIs again really makes a mockery of the whole thing. And to make a mockery of something on a show as silly as Chuck really says something. I would have so much prefered Chuck and Sarah growing together as Chuck trains his way into her world. The could debrief/discuss their way through all the difficult issues that arise (dealing with assets, lying, killing); it wouldn’t even have to be that much (actually shouldn’t have been much, keep it light!), but the connection and communication would have served the story and characters far better than what we got.

        Great observation Angeltwo about how the writers invalidate their own work. I never really wanted to rewatch most of this season anyway, now that we’ve been told Sarah was trying to live a lie, there isn’t even a reason to force myself.

      • BDaddyDl says:

        I may be the first person to use a Harry Potter refrence on the board. JK Rowling said that the charachters had tp be mature enough to handle real relationships, and so she created pli’s to meat this goal. From the start of the season the goal ws to have Sarah and Chuck together. If they had gotten together after the colonel they probably would not have been ready. Both S/C handle situations diffrently, heck Chuck couldnt handle Sarah in her night clothes. So now thanks to a piece of wood and a whole lotta angst TPTB think they are ready to have an adult relationship.

        I seem to be in the minority that think after all that was said and done the right thing was done to c/s, but I think Shaw was never likeable enough to be taken seriously.

      • BDaddyDl says:

        sorry about the spelling im blogging at work…

    • Crumby says:

      It was also a call back to the DYLM scene when Chuck says: “I thought I could save you. I thought Shaw was bad and I was gonna save you, and we were gonna be together. But that didn’t happen.”
      That’s exactly what happened!

  75. Dan says:

    Hey @ Joe I am sorry about the late response. In response to your statement our age difference means nothing a viewer is a viewer. Lol

  76. Pingback: Episode of the Week: Chuck vs The Other Guy (3.13) | Chuck This

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s