Now That S3 Is Over, What About S4?

The INFORMED Speculation Begins Now!

We’ve seen 19 hours of Season 3, tracked all it’s ups and downs, poured over the speeches word for word and thought deeply as if we were studying for finals. What has all this told us about what might be coming up in the fall? Do we know anything that we didn’t know this morning?

I hope so!

Oh, don’t mind that not one word of dialog has been written down yet, and not one arc has emerged from the foreheads of TPTB in anything resembling the final form, like Venus from the forehead of Jupiter!* Never mind that we’re weeks and weeks away from getting their first, misleading clues about the shape of things to come. We’ve got plenty of time to go down the wrong path and guess wildly, even without their help!

That would never stop us from speculating!

* ATCDave loves it when I use obscure references like that!

– joe

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163 Responses to Now That S3 Is Over, What About S4?

  1. joe says:

    I’ll start with the speculation. There was “cell regeneration” technology in the lab where Stephen was shot. Stephen may not be completely dead. Just mostly dead.

    Well, it’s not like they haven’t done THAT before. 😉

    • atcdave says:

      Or perhaps chuck will just comune with his dad through the computer system in his new fortress of solitude (sorry, I mean partially abandoned suburban home).

    • herder says:

      I’d worry more about Shaw being mostly dead than hopeing that Orion is mostly dead. That said they have set it up for more female characters, adding Alex as a recurring role and the search for Mama B. Also is Mama B part of the Ring or some other organization. That and they made Ellie a strong character again. Much more to think about and write about but that is what the summer is for.

      Interestingly enough Sepinwall has an interview with CF where he says that they don’t want to do a whole season where two characters are apart, the sound of the unsaid “again” is deafening.

      • joe says:

        I sort of assumed that Shaw was alive at the end! Hum… we’ll be spec’ing on that all summer too.

      • Patty says:

        I think they had time to take shaw off in the (other) armored truck to the undisclosed CIA detention facility. Maybe he’ll get Jill’s old cell.

    • Patty says:

      At least they finally explained it. I was starting to think they ran over to the Star Wars set and got Lukes old Bacta Tank from Empire! Great for rejuvinating undead spied.

  2. atcdave says:

    You know I do love various obscure and historic references. I also love those little mistakes we all make. Like how Venus (Aphrodite) was born directly from the foam of the sea where Uranus severed sex organs were tossed ofter he was mutalated by Kronos. It was Minerva (Athena) who sprang direct from Jupiter’s (Zues’) forhead.

  3. Tamara Burks says:

    How about this. Jeffster actually gets well known after being wanted by the cops. Maybe they become big in Japan or just the US after thier name is cleared.Thier video could end up being popular on youtube.

    They could end up also doing some sneaky work for Chuck after he takes over Orion’s work.

    Chuck either takes Ellie to the lair and shows her that thier mother is one of the cases or he hides it from her since he won’t be an official spy anymore.

    Though oddly enough I’ll miss Beckman, she was so much better than Shaw onscreen and I love that they had to drag her off .

  4. Jake says:

    A few quick notes. I, like Tamara above me, will miss Beckman. I didn’t like her at first, but she really grew on me.

    Also, it took more longer than usual to buy into the idea that the US National Security apparatus had been compromised by a network called “the ring”. That name needs to go away and be replaced. They did, after all, catch all of the elders, no? I would have liked to have seen the elders bit played up more, and being a former WoW nerd, I laughed at the reference to that video game’s particular elder lore.

    Finally, unrelated to season 3 is the note that I was really sad at the end of this episode because it ended. I’ve never felt that way about a TV show before. I felt like it was like playing with my dog, knowing she’ll die long before I do. That’s a really sad way to put it, but that’s how I feel. There’s something about this show that connects with me – and I think connects with all of the readers of this blog – at a very deep level. 13 more episodes of this won’t be enough for me, although there were points of this episode that I thought would make for a decent series finale.

    I’ll really miss Chuck when it’s gone. Until then, I guess it’s DVDs for me! Maybe USA will pick it up, it’d fit well with Burn Notice and White Collar. What say you? I’ve always thought Chuck was more of a USA show.

    • atcdave says:

      I agree Chuck would be a great fit on USA. It would be a smaller show, they’d surely cut cast and sets, but it would fit well with other USA content. For now, NBC is a better home simply because the production budget can stay higher. I’m not sure how big the difference is, but I’ve seen it mentioned several times that Chuck is currently too expensive for cable.

      Are we sure Beckman won’t be back? Sepinwall’s interview with Fedak made it pretty clear Jeffster would be back. I’m thinking Chuck will end up tied into the NSA/CIA in some way next year, possibly as a private contractor. Or if that concept is too complex for network television he may simply hire back on to “finish his father’s work” or some such thing. Somehow Sarah and Casey have to have something to do. I’d love a scenario where Chuck hires them as his own team, but again, I suspect everyone working for the General again is what we’ll actually see.

    • joe says:

      Hi, Jake. Like Dave said, I’m not sure at all that Beckman won’t be back.

      Yeah – Here’s a secret. I woke up this morning feeling exactly like you described, a little sad that it’s over. And it’s not just that S3 is over. I can’t stop thinking about the inevitable, when that last episode is aired, sometime in the undetermined future. There is going to be a hole.

      But that’s a ways off yet. For now, I have a need to re-watch those last two hours to try to understand where we’re going. I suspect that there’s a lot in those last scenes that’s going to be mis-interpreted, or mis-understood.

      I feel a need to re-watch S3 from the beginning, but some part of me resists going through those lows again to get to the highs. Both are more extreme after last night. If the ending changed anything for me, it was that.

    • cas says:

      The only thing that concerns me about season 4 is how on earth are we going to get NEW viewers. They have to be very careful with the first episode as to not to confuse new viwers which would mean that they cannot start it with Chuck lying to Sarah and Ellie. They have done so many resets that the newer audience might not be able to follow. Resets such as Chuck wanting out of the spy life, wanting in, wanting out again and among other things. Anyway, I love this show and I do want it to succeed but I’m just a little down after hearing last nights ratings. I hope we can get more people watch since we apparantly can’t even get the old audince back. I just hope they TPBT bring their A game when doing the first ep because the shows faith depends on it

  5. Tamara Burks says:

    Jake ,Chuck’s already been renewed for a 13 episode season 4.

    Since another post said that’s it’s been said by the PTB that season 4 will be all about family, I’m hoping that Papa B is resurrected (if they can do it for a tool like Bryce and a whackjob like Shaw then they can do it for him) and the whole Bartowski clan will with expanded members will be reunited including Mama B.

    • atcdave says:

      I don’t see them bringing Scott Bakula in as a regular cast member. My guess would be Orion stays dead, except maybe for a flashback episode, or as the “voice of the computer” or some such thing. MamaB is hard to get a read on, but I’m sure we’ll finally meet her next season.

    • Chuckaddict says:

      I don’t think Orion is coming back. They made a point of showing his broken Governor and made a point of saying he can’t survive without it.

      • weaselone says:

        I think the broken governor was to keep fans from shouting about why Chuck didn’t just take Orion’s and use it.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I think there is another interesting point to be made about the governor. Shaw is probably alive, in custody, and has no governor. Didn’t Dreyfus say that insanity was inevitable when diagnosing Chuck? So we now will be treated to an evil AND insane Shaw next time around.

      • weaselone says:

        Yeah, if Sarah didn’t kill Shaw with the blow to the head, taking the governor certainly signed his death warrant. Shaw’s flashing even on information was significantly more stressful that Chuck’s if we take the flash in the conference room at face value.

      • Merve says:

        Shaw: evil AND insane? I have a terrible mental image of Shaw beating the crap out of Chuck while singing showtunes and wearing a muumuu.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Moo-ha-ha.

      • Paul says:

        We’ll just have Merlin’s Army keep him in place… 😉 Although an evil, INSANE Shaw, would be very interesting indeed IMHO.

  6. ChuckNewbie8 says:

    S4 spoilers well not really. Just some stuff about no more angst. It’s “played out” and family.

  7. OldDarth says:

    Whatever the showrunners come up with, hope that
    TeamB will be a family affair in Season 4 with everyone in the know. Including Morgan, Ellie, and Devon.

    With MamaB at the source of their mission it would be a perfect way to involve everyone.

    TeamB Vs The World should be the working title/theme for the next season carrying on PapaB’s legacy.

    • joe says:

      Yeah, me too. If there was only one thing I wish had been done differently, it would be to have more of a “family scene” before the ending. They started, but the scene was just too short.

      If S4 really is going to be about family the way CF says (see CN8’s link above) I’m going to love it.

      I’m toying with the idea of disappearing for a few days to watch all the episodes, front to back. But it’s a daunting proposition. We’ve gotten to where we wanted to be, but look how much has changed in the process! Talk about a long road!

    • atcdave says:

      I agree entirely OD, not often I say that! I would love to see a family theme for S4, and no lying to each other. Fedak did make one comment about what would a spy show be without secrets; that concerns me a little. He also mentioned the family theme which excites me a lot.

  8. OldDarth says:

    Addendum – General Beckman can still be a player next season. She could work in tandem with Team B – off the books – and they could help each other in a working arrangement where they exchange intel etc.

    • cas says:

      Since Chuck is still the intersect Im guessing Casey and Sarah will still be assigned to protect him but Chuck will no longer be able to participate in missions. So I guess the General will still be around with limited screen time like in season 1. While Casey and Sarah are doing some kind of mission then that is when Chuck will be doing his solo mission in the bat cave.

    • Michael says:

      I apologize for this being off topic, but since OldDarth is the most identifiable Canadian here, I’m wondering if he knows whether CityTV actually aired the 3.18/3.19. The episodes haven’t shown up in the Canadian itunes store, and I’m wondering if that’s why.

  9. sniderman says:

    Some thoughts:

    1. I’m betting Chuck and Sarah move into the childhood home and it becomes the new Team B base. Got a built-in “Castle” right there next to the fireplace!
    2. Without the BuyMore, does that mean they need to design a new opening credit montage? No sense using Running Nerd Herder as your icon if the BuyMore/Nerd Herd factor is gone.
    3. Betcha Chuck comes clean to Ellie and she comes around. Chuck stays out of the CIA, but he becomes the new Orion.

  10. Merve says:

    Hey everybody, it’s wacky speculation time!

    Correct if I’m wrong, but the two major “twists” in the finale were Chuck quitting the CIA and Orion’s “batcave,” correct? The first twist comes with a Big Red Reset Button next to it that the showrunners can press at any time. As for the second twist, now that they’ve gone there, turning back would be the biggest cop-out in television history.

    Let’s talk about these twists. I wanted to discuss them separately, but they’re intertwined, so I’m going to have to discuss them together. The writers have a lot of leeway with Chuck’s relationship with the CIA next season. They can choose to make him anything from a completely independent spy to a full-blown CIA agent who does personal missions on the side. My guess is that Chuck will at least be peripherally involved with the CIA; it’s hard to go on missions when you don’t have access to spy gear!

    Chuck is going to be keeping secrets from some people. I don’t think that he’s going to hide his father’s legacy from Ellie, but if he does become involved with the CIA again, he might hide his involvement from her. Chuck might keep a few family-related secrets from Sarah, but it’s simply impractical for them to keep spy stuff from each other.

    Chris Fedak has said that season 4 is about “family.” In the Chuckverse, that can mean a lot of things, from blood relations to surrogate families. Based on that theme, each of the “families” might be the focus of several storylines. Firstly, Ellie and Devon may try to start a family of their own – it’s about time for an Awesome Baby! We might explore the “father/son” dynamic that Big Mike and Morgan have, and it would be a good reason to bring back the hilarious Patricia Rae as Morgan’s mother. Casey might reconnect with his ex-fiancée eventually, but Alex and Kathleen’s involvement in the grand scheme of things probably depends mainly on the availability of Mekenna Melvin and Clare Carey. As for Chuck’s surrogate family, Devon, Casey, and Morgan have really become like brothers to Chuck this season. It’s too early to tell whether the twists will strengthen or weaken those brotherly bonds. The Casey-Morgan bromance continues to be a source comedy, and if a Morgan-Alex relationship develops, it could make for some wacky hilarity. (But I still contend that the ten-year age difference is kind of icky!) I’m curious to see what Sarah’s role in this “family” will be. Now that Ellie knows Sarah’s secret, the two of them might bond more, but that would necessitate sacrificing the comical awkwardness of their previous interactions. I don’t think that Sarah has enough in common with Morgan or Devon to really befriend them, so I’d wager that she’ll be dealing mainly with Chuck and Casey (and maybe Ellie) next season.

    I’m going to digress for a second and talk about Jeff and Lester. They are fugitives right now. Wouldn’t it be funny if they squatted in Chuck’s family’s old house and used it as a hideout? It would be pretty amusing if Chuck, Sarah, or Ellie found them there. That scenario sounds unlikely, however; I’d wager that Jeff and Lester get caught by law enforcement in the season premiere, and Morgan has to bail them out.

    Now, back to “family.” Let’s talk about Mama Bartowski. (I refuse to refer to her as Mary Elizabeth Bartowski; that name is lame!) Orion’s video spy will had a very interesting line: “I did it all for her.” We were shown a label that indicated that she was “missing.” Did Stephen become a freelance spy in order to find his missing wife? Or were he and his wife spies all along? Where is Mama B now? For whom is she working? I’m going to enter the realm of crazy speculation here. We saw a lot of labels with codenames on them in Orion’s secret lair. My guess is that Orion and Mama B were part of a top-secret group of vigilante spies. Orion developed the Intersect as a means of conveniently collecting and organizing large amounts of spy data, but the CIA quickly saw its potential and contracted for him to further develop the technology. Later, Mama B went deep undercover for some operation, but never resurfaced, so she was declared “missing,” not “captured” or “deceased.” After that, Orion worked tirelessly to find her, but didn’t succeed. As a result, he became paranoid and distrusting of any spy-related organization.

    How Mama B is currently involved in the spy game is a total mystery to me. My guess is that she is still undercover in some capacity, constantly sabotaging an evil organization from the inside. It also looks as if everyone’s favourite charm bracelet might come into play as a way for Mama B to link Sarah to Chuck. I really don’t know where they’re going to go with this. TPTB could make the search for Mama B the focus of the entire fourth season, or they could do what Bones did in its excellent first two seasons, where there is usually a mission or case of the week, but every nown and then, there is an episode or B-plot dedicated to the search. (I’m hoping for the latter, but that’s just a personal preference.)

    Finally, no speculation is complete without an examination of Chuck and Sarah’s relationship. I now understand why the development of their relationship proceeded at such a breakneck speed from “Other Guy” to “Living Dead.” For the finale, Chuck and Sarah needed to be in a place where each was aware of the depth of the other’s feelings and where each understood what it would mean to lose the other. They also need to be in that place going forward. They will undoubtedly discover more about each other over the course of the next season, but I think that their relationship will largely be allowed to continue in the background; it’s at a stage where it need not be focus of the show anymore and can simply be accepted as fact. At best, we might see an engagement next season, but honestly, it doesn’t really matter anymore. They’re together now and we can all stop arguing about it, right? 🙂

    Season 4 is shaping up to look very interesting. I now understand why NBC didn’t think that it would be a good fit with Undercovers. The concept of the spy couple doesn’t seem to be the focus of season 4, and the CIA might not be playing a huge role next season either. It will be interesting to see if season 4 focuses more on the idea of a spy family composed of Chuck, Casey, Sarah, Morgan, Ellie, and Devon, or if the spy stuff and the family stuff will remain separate, connected only by the thread of Mama Bartowksi. Either way, I’m excited, and next September couldn’t come soon enough.

  11. lizjames says:

    Well, since they chose to go the Mama Bartowski route, we already know how this will go: Mama and Papa had the CRM (central relationship misunderstanding) long before Chuck and Sarah did. So that’s all we need to know about this part of the story arc.

    As for what else, well, my guess is that even the showrunners haven’t fully storyboarded it. The goal will clearly be to make the show look as little like Undercovers as possible.

    Oh, and the door is left wide open for the return of Papa B if so needed. After all, he was left “mostly dead” in Kwambe’s room of regeneration.

    Meanwhile, just two words about Mama B: Kate Mulgrew.

    • Merve says:

      You’re probably right about some sort of relationship misunderstanding between Mama and Papa Bartowski, but there are a lot of ways that they could have been separated without angst. This is the crazy spy world of Chuck after all.

    • lizjames says:

      I wasn’t suggesting angst. Besides, we ain’t seeing Mama B until, oh, say S4e11 anyway. I was suggesting that when it all comes out, Mama B fled the family to keep them safe and then Papa B did the same. They misunderstood each other’s intentions…

      Since they can’t do it with Chuck and Sarah anymore, they have to reuse the device somehow.

      Besides, I’m waiting for season 5, when we search for Peaches I. It turns out he didn’t die as Morgan claimed in Wookie, but actually ran away from home because he didn’t want the family at risk from The Collar, a nefarious group of canine spies who want to dominate the world’s pounds…

      • Merve says:

        Okay, thanks for clearing that up. That makes a little more sense.

        The other non-CRM-related options are:
        – Mama B left the family not to protect them, but to fight for the greater good.
        – Mama B was taken away against her will.
        – Mama B is secretly evil.
        – Mama B went deep undercover and hasn’t been able to emerge.
        – Something else that I haven’t thought of and that may or may not involve Peaches.

    • sd says:

      There is another site opining about who should play Mama B….Kate Mulgrew would be an awesome choice…but I recently saw Lynda Carter on the Today Show…and it’s amazing how much she resembles both Chuck and Ellie…also the Wonder Woman throwback/mythology thingy the showrunners love so much….seems like a slam dunk.

      Anyone have other thoughts on which actress should assume the role?

      • atcdave says:

        I’d love see Lynda Carter, seriously she was my first TV crush when I was, well young. But isn’t she a little old now? She’s about 60… OK, I just looked it up, she’s three years older than Scott Bakula. I guess that works just fine!

  12. BDP says:

    hmmm… season 4

    Chucks going to become the new orion(a different name),keep it a complete secret (with the exception of morgon possibly) thus creating tension between ellie, sarah, the CIA/NSA, all the while trying to protect everyone.

    Sarah and Casey are still agent’s coming back every once in a while to see there loved ones (this will be during our small hiatus) creating odd bits of tension here and there… she’s going to quelling a rebillion with a fork and chucks going to be scalling walls with some awesome star sign name

    and erm…. Chuck’s mum. She’s on the run for the same reason Papa B was – to protect her family… or maybe something bigger… lack of care atm is quite great

    and Ellie needs a kid, coz she needs someone else to smother, i mean wtf Chuck, the whole season is “i want to be a spy, to help people, save the cheerleader/world…”

    it was a great end but im filled with a sence of meh

  13. Tamara Burks says:

    One thing that might be interesting is Ellie finding out about the whole Sarah wanted him to run away and leave his family, tape recording of him saying I love you, then Sarah’s request transfer prompting Chuck to move on, Sarah telling her name to Shaw after so little a time, her hypocritical behavior where she let Shaw get away with so much and Chuck with nothing and that Shaw started the vendetta against her family because of Sarah.

    I’d really like Sarah to be called on her idiotic behavior in regards to Shaw , Maybe in therapy.

    It should be addressed sooner or later especially if there’s a chance Cole or some scumbag ex of hers shows up.

    Since season 4 is suppossed to be about family , maybe have Jack Burton show up and find out about his daughter’s history with men and realize that she has daddy issues.

    And while people may think this is nit picking, I think we should get somthing for having to watch the horror that is Sham. At least with Chuck and Hannah it was over quickly and he didn’t reveal anything to her that he kept from Sarah, the way Sarah revealed her name to Shaw.

    Frankly I need a lot more than her criging a few times in the finale.

    • gabbo says:

      it’s ok to move on now, Tamara. Black and bitter doesn”t suit us… 🙂

    • Merve says:

      She clocked him on the head in “Subway,” and then she knocked him unconscious in “Ring Pt. 2.” That was enough for me. 🙂

    • atcdave says:

      I hated the middle of S3 as much as anyone. But I think we got as much atonement as we’re likely to see. This is still supposed to be a comedy…

      • gabbo says:

        I dunno, Dave, we got Sarah clocking Shaw twice–and he’s still alive. Which means when he comes back again, Chuck and Sarah can gun him down together–or run him over with a tank.

        Besides, how do you hold a guy with an Intersect in his head? Logic would dictate he can break out of any prison. Clearly, he’s meant to be a recurring villain.

      • jason says:

        gabbo – that is my point in fighting back when people are trying to defend his arc – he had 11 or 12 episodes in this season to help, and was mentioned in several others – he did not help – he was / is enormously unpopular, not only with shippers, but by the end most serious critics were going WTF – not just a select few, but many ? his ability to act, plus he came out and whined about not getting enough direction – what more do people need – end the shows association with him.

      • atcdave says:

        Jason, you hit on the main reason I think we’ll never see him again. I just can’t see the network agreeing to it. (well maybe as a guest villain one more time, but that’s it!)

      • Chuckaddict says:

        Shaw had the Intersect and no Governor…

      • Tamara Burks says:

        Lack of atonement rankles though. And I’m not too fond of how Shaw was held up as some super spy and hero when he was incredibly incompetant. If a guy is held up as a super spy he shouldn’t have done so many things wrong that you’re surprised he can fight at all.

        And even in that fight we found out that Morgan can take a taser hit while later Shaw is knocked out cold by one. So Morgan’s definitely tougher.

        He also proved to be as incompetant a bad guy as he was a good guy. It makes me think someone else came up with the part of the plan that worked.

        The only thing he was good at was snowing people. And he wasn’t particularly good at that since Casey didn’t buy it, Chuck probably wanted to believe that if he lost the love of his life it was to a good guy at least. He’s already lost one love to a scumbag and been through ego destruction with Bryce and Jill. The PTB wanted to believe he was competant because he’d gotten so far , after all who wants to be the one who says the emperor has no clothes?

        Sarah however with her history as a CIA agent and being raised as a con artist , really should have a higher threshold for being conned.That’s one of the reasons I’m not the only one who want ssome kind of out loud admission of I can’t believe I was so stupid.

        Also with Chuck there are reasons we can understand why he picked Lou ( him wanting someone to love and love him back ), Jill (trying to get back to a time before everything went horribly wrong for him), and Hannah( a rebound after hearing Sarah ask for a transfer after hearing his admission of love married to the severe depresion he experienced after losing her and flunking spy school).

        Shaw on the other hand makes you think that she’s lost her mind because he ain’t that good looking, his personality swings from boring to creepy and she would be doing better if she’s started a threesome with Jeffster!

  14. Ernie Davis says:

    I think Chuck becomes the new Dread Pirate Roberts, I mean Orion. He will be mostly an independent operator but conveniently will get most of his business from his old pal Beckman. He may have a government “liaison” who is assigned to protect the intersect secrets as it is a government asset, I can think of a CIA agent who would be perfect for the job. Casey’s new team will eventually pick up a talented young criminologist with some serious martial arts skills. Or Chuck may hire Alex and Morgan. I think they’ve hinted pretty strongly that Morgan will be the Alfred to Chuck’s Batman. I guess that makes Sarah, in a wonderful bit of symmetry, Vicki Vale. As long as Casey isn’t Robin I think we’re safe.

    • herder says:

      But he passed up the oppertunity to become Ignio Montoya in the Buy More last night. “My name is Ignio Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die”. Instead he chose to let Shaw live, so maybe a career as Dread Pirate Roberts is in the cards.

    • atcdave says:

      I hope Chuck and Sarah, on missions together, all the time is what we see. I don’t like a scenario that keeps them apart again. I think Fedak even commented on not doing that again. So Chuck and Sarah will be TeamB’s A-Team. I could see Casey as the official government liason.

    • joe says:

      Hum… I’ve been thinking about this all day (but posted in the other thread 5 minutes ago).

      Yeah. I can see Chuck is going to be the new Orion, an independent operator in his new fortress (and that’s okay with Sarah). I don’t know yet if she’s staying with the CIA or leaving (staying, I think), but she’s clearly Chuck’s partner and his biggest asset.

      I worried for a bit that this might cause conflict, but it won’t. They’re not tied together by the CIA job any more than they’re tied together because they’ve been working as clerks in chain-stores.

      • Josh says:

        Technically Sarah (and Casey) are still in Burbank cause they are involved with the intersect project. Show “mythology” is that a) agents don’t get to choose where they get posted and b) they usually get posted as far away as possible from their last post.

        So if the show stays true to its mythology, either Chuck has to come back into the CIA fold to keep the project alive (and Sarah/Casey in Burbank) or Sarah/Casey need to resign too and join Chuck on his vigilante thing.

        Obviously the show can completely disregard its own mythology, that would solve this particular problem. I mean why not post a couple of spies in Burbank? There’s freaking spy conventions going on there :p

        Seriously though, with the BuyMore going oopsie (and presumably taking Castle along with it) I think through some twist and turn Team Bartowski will run from Orion’s Bat Cave in season 4. I don’t think they will be completely independent, that might be problematic story wise, but I can see them being a semi Mission Impossible crew with Beckman being their tie to the Government, though not directly running them.

      • atcdave says:

        I think that would be completely acceptable. I wonder how they’re going to explain Chuck and Sarah moving into Chuck’s childhood home…..and Morgan coming with them!!

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I thought that at a certain point the Buy More became a sort of feedback loop of CIA extra goodness. Every spy in the world eventually knew there was a CIA substation there, but no spy ever came out after trying to infiltrate.

        I think one good idea is for Casey and Sarah to “retire” and represent Beckman’s off the books asset, so that she has a team to call on should someone infiltrate the CIA again.

        I think it will be interesting however they decide to go.

    • AngelTwo says:

      You know, Ernie, I’d always thought of Chuck-Sarah-Casey as Kirk-Spock-McCoy, but your Dread Pirate Roberts analogy is brilliant. And they have already done some “I’ll always come for you stuff” in the back six. Well posited, indeed.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        A2, OMG, I missed the I’ll always come for you reference! I obviously need to re-watch Princess Bride. Great catch.

        I agree, Kirk, Spock, McCoy were, while not id, ego, superego a similar (not to sound pretentious) dramaturgical triad. 😉

      • joe says:

        Actually, Ernie, I do believe that I heard Roddenbery describe Kirk-Spock-McCoy as id, superego and ego way back when. If he didn’t, he should have!

    • herder says:

      I think they left it at a point similar to the honeymooners just before the opening credits, Chuck has made a rash decision to quit based on emotional reasons.

      I think that the first episode of season four will be Ellie hearing from Casey, Morgan, Awesome and maybe even the General about what a hero Chuck is. This will cause her to relent some and consent to Chuck having some sort of consultant role with the CIA. Maybe off the books as others have speculated. The point is all Ellie has heard about is the bad parts of the spy life and little about the good that Chuck does.

      I’ve left Sarah out of this as I think that her feelings are a bit more ambivilent about Chuck being a spy. I think that her three priorities are that Chuck is safe, that he is happy and that they are together. She loves working with him but worries about the risks that he takes. I can see an Ellie/Sarah conversation being different from all the others and Ellie may start to grasp the depth of Sarah’s attatchment to Chuck and start to release her grip on him in favor of Sarah.

      All this is to say that I don’t think that Chuck’s quitting will stick any more than it did in Honeymooners.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        My guess is they decided to go the Batman route where Chuck is a lone vigilante, well mostly lone. Whether in the CIA or not Chuck will remain a spy, I think that was pretty clear.

      • Merve says:

        I think that I might have said earlier that Chuck quitting the spy life had a big ol’ red reset button next to it, but on second thought, it’s more of a reset dial. He could choose to become a full-fledged CIA agent again. He could work as a private contractor. He could work for the CIA off the books. He could even be a fully independent vigilante spy. For practical reasons, I think that Chuck will be involved with CIA or the NSA in some capacity next season unless Chuck becomes a show about the seamy underbelly of the criminal world. It’s kind of tough to attend lavish parties and international espionage conferences if you’re not invited! Chuck having some degree of CIA involvement allows the writers to keep drawing from the inexhaustible James Bond parody well.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        That’s sort of my take too. He’ll associate with the CIA, but not be directly employed by them, so he can tell Ellie he doesn’t work for the CIA. It also opens up the possibility of conflicting missions, which I thought had great comic potential. Imagine Chuck and Casey, (or Chuck and Carina, or Chuck and Sarah or… well you get the point) both undercover meeting up on a mission where they both have conflicting designs on a mark. Trying to not blow their cover while at the same time trying to either subvert each other or get them to back off could be hilarious.

      • atcdave says:

        I love Herder’s idea of the Sarah/Ellie talk. Seeing Sarah’s primary dedication to Chuck, while aware of the great things they have done/will do could be a very effective scene.

    • Crumby says:

      I hope that they don’t do too much of a big deal out of the promise Chuck made to Ellie.

      She could be easily convinced that Chuck should be a spy. All she’s seen for now is the bad aspects and she hate everything that the spy life has made of her life but she’s a good person. Seeing how Chuck can make a difference would suffice I think to convince her.

      She probably would ask Chuck to be more honest with her though and not be as cut out of his life as she was the last three years. And now that she knows he doesn’t have to lie to her all the time. Even if doesn’t want to talk about it in details, he can just they “sorry, work”.

  15. sniderman says:

    Well, my predictions were a bit off. Knew about the Buy More goin’ blooey from the previews. But I assumed that Castle would be unscathed. (After all, it’s a fortified underground bunker.) So here’s what I envisioned:

    There is still another entrance to Castle in the (now assumed vacant) Orange Orange/Weinerlicious storefront. What if an enterprising young tech genius and his faithful nerdish pal were to open their own tech support/electronics business in the vacated storefront? (“Chuck’s Chip Chateau” or something.) They could perhaps hire two employees with sales/retail experience – as well as very specialized espionague skills.

    So the business would be the cover. They’d still have complete access to Castle. And Chuck could conceivably start that successful business he planned to open… and he could fall back on it if the whole Spy thing didn’t work out.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I like it. I however would like to see Big Mike open a Subway franchise in said location, and hire one Morgan Grimes as his ass-man. Casey and Alex could be additional staff or frequent customers. Fernando mans the counter and Skip Johnson works with Jeff and Lester at a new and enterprising geek’s business that has filled the gap that the Buy More left for custom computer troubleshooting and installs.

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      What about Beckman? 😦

      I’ve fallen in love with her this season. Morgan too but Morgan has always had Team B’s back lol.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      Well you know I’m a big Duck (Dianne&Chuck) shipper. 😉 I think Chuck becomes her “off the books” asset, with one or more of his previous team joining him “off the books” and another CIA/NSA task force mysteriously remaining assigned to Burbank for the foreseeable future.

      I’m still ticked Dianne didn’t make her move when she had Chuck alone in the love bunker.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        Well at least she tried to tell him her loving goodbye, but stupid cams had to glitch 😉

        Did you see her face when Chuck came on the intercom? It’s like Prince Charming has come a-calling!

      • JC says:

        Will she have a Bartowski signal to shine in the sky?

      • atcdave says:

        OOOh, it will be the little Nerd Herd guy! Even with the Buy More gone, the nerd lives on!

      • jason says:

        Duck – that is a new one – my secret shipper word is sallie (sarah and ellie) – although I must admit I really liked how alex’s role ‘felt’ relative to the show, the ‘chemistry’ in each scene just seemed right – I’m not ready to be a “molex’ fan quite yet however

      • Crumby says:

        I agree jason about Alex. I thought she felt right in every scene she had.

        I’ll be a Morgalex fan this summer!

  16. Ernie Davis says:

    I’m kind of interested in some of the more technical aspects of where the next season is headed. Are they straining to cut costs even more, or perhaps re-aligning priorities? This is one aspect of the show we rarely talk about, but I think it has a great impact on the quality. They’ve lost some senior writers and brought in some new ones, my guess is that Klemmer, Miller and Adler could command higher salaries than Lefrank and Judkins, so that may end up saving some budget. They blew up the Buy More, which it seems to me was obviously their largest and most expensive permanent set. They seem to have done away with the O-O since Final Test, but kept Castle, so far. An interesting trick if they try to keep Castle, which they’ve said really helps since they can basically add rooms as needed. Sarah’s hotel room seems to be gone, I guess I won’t miss it even though it was pretty cool. We can probably assume that the childhood home and Batcave will be featured next season and that Casa Bartowski isn’t going anywhere, I hope. But Fedak has also said he can’t picture the show without Jeff and Lester. I’ll be interested to see how they’re brought back in. They’ve pretty obviously added a cast member, Alex. Are we going to see one go, like Big Mike, or did we really lose Skip and Fernando? I’ll be interested in what Schwedak have to say over the summer and at Comicon.

    • jason says:

      ernie, me too, I think we will have 3 major sets and one spy team, the orion team if you will

      set 1 – chuck’s old house’ where sarah and chuck will live, maybe casey and morgan too, depending on how ‘corny they want to be, but I sure hope not, CS are nearly 30 years old
      set 2 – the ‘bat cave under the house’
      set 3 – a ‘nerd herd’ tech store where most of the gang will work

      I think it is possible Big mike, jeff, and lester will form a traveling band, and will be recurring guest stars off and on

      I am going to guess beckman interfaces with team orion, but that noone works directly for her anylonger, although certainly one or all of them could

      great ending in a way, as anything is possible in terms of the scenerio’s we are trying to guess at????

      • Paul says:

        I have a feeling there will be a BM in some shape or form in S4. Maybe Big Mike is working as a green shirt at the Hollywood store. Or they rebuild the Burbank one using insurance money.

      • Merve says:

        I agree with Paul. The Buy More sets have already been built, so they’re sunk costs; they’re not saving any money by getting rid of them. Plus, the Buy More is an easy way to do product placement without being distracting.

      • jason says:

        merve / paul – i thought i read somewhere that the sets get dismantled either way and that buymore is just an expensive set with its size, its props, and the staff / shoppers required??

        You guys might be right, I honestly don’t know, but my guess was somewhat built around what I read, which might have even been on the NBC forum months ago????

      • Merve says:

        Jason, that’s a good point about the extras. It’s why the idea of a smaller electronics store was proposed. It would still give an avenue for product placement and would allow for the use of fewer extras.

      • Crumby says:

        We could have Chuck and Sarah in the old house and Morgan taking a roomate… someone who just graduated from college perhaps…

      • herder says:

        Crumby, that would work well with Alex’s father having acess to all the cameras in the apartment. He could threaten Morgan daily with the knowledge of exactly what went on the night before. Morgan would quickly become an emotional wreck with the awareness that Casey is next door, ready to burst in if Morgan puts a foot or a hand wrong.

      • Crumby says:

        And they could definitely play the “hidden relationship” card that way!

    • atcdave says:

      I really love Jason’s ideas on the sets, but I wonder about the Buy More. Much of the explosion was CG, I’m not sure how much damage they actually did to the set. So I wouldn’t be shocked if it was back. But I do like the idea of a smaller tech store.

      I also remember all this speculating a year ago turned out to be wrong in every way. Perhaps we were just a beat too soon, and things will now turn out like we are/were thinking. I expect ComiCon will be more fun this year, and we will actually learn some good stuff about what’s up.

    • AngelTwo says:

      The cost of keeping the Buy More set is not the already amortized capital expenditure, but the space on the WB lot. They may need the space back for other shows. And since the Buy More set was constructed as an open floor with the Nerd Herd desk in the middle, it would probably be impossible to scale down. So it is most likely gone.

      Moreover, since all we saw of Orion’s man cave were file boxes and shelves, it is plausible that Chuck could work out of the existing Castle set in Season 4. You know, a sort of sublet to help the government defray the high costs it entailed to keep the Intersect project going. 🙂

      Or, they could turn the fourth season into a bottle show, just have Chuck work out of the apartment. I would think one of the advantages of being a freelance superspy would be the opportunity to work from home, after all… 🙂

  17. weaselone says:

    I was just listening to DR’s podcast and I have come to the conclusion that it’s crossed over into the realm of being completely unworthy of being listened to. The ratio of Chuck talk to worthless filler and details about other shows is just ridiculous. Plus, even crazy shipper comments and the abuse of the other commentators gets stale eventually.

    You all should really consider doing your own podcast.

    • joe says:

      I’ll take that as a compliment, Weaselone. But I’ve been told that I have a type speaking-dynamic that’s perfect for silent movies! 😉

      • weaselone says:

        Well, you could always write you comments and paper and hire a voice actor.

      • weaselone says:

        Ummm…that should read “write your comments down on paper and hire a voice actor.”

  18. Ernie Davis says:

    OK, here is my S4 wish/prediction list.

    – Carina of course blows through town. Casey works desperately to keep her away from spy-in-training Alex lest she learn by example.

    – Alex is jealous of Carina as Morgan’s PLI

    – Chuck and team B visit “Club Carmichael” where all those captured by team B are locked up. There he questions crazy Shaw who will later escape to become tank bait.

    – A freelancing Chuck comes across another agent he knows while both are undercover working at cross purposes. Hilarity ensues. I suggest Carina or Agent Forest. A Jill encounter could also be funny/dramatic. Cole isn’t a bad idea either.

    – The wrist computer makes a comeback. Chuck, though he has mastered the intersect, starts spying smarter.

    – Sarah and Carina will end up in lingerie in the same room, again.

    – Alex will end up in a state of semi-undress in front of Morgan. Casey will interrupt and be both enraged and mortified.

    – Awsome will be exercising with his shirt off.

    – Ellie will be overprotective of Chuck.

    – Sarah will be worried about Chuck.

    – Sarah and Ellie will butt heads over Chuck.

    – Chuck will be keeping secrets and lying (Oh the horror).

    – There will be a family Thanksgiving and/or Christmas.

    – I will watch every episode and write about some at excessive length.

    • Paul says:

      Oh I would LOVE Alex idolizing Carina. THAT would be hilarious….until she found out she had affairs with both her dad and (potentially) her boyfriend.

      I really want to see Ellie and Sarah doing girl time bonding AND butting heads over Chuck.

    • weaselone says:

      Sarah will dump a bag full of kittens over a bridge while grinding her heel into a sack full of puppies.

      Fan reaction: Yeah. Sarah’s one hard core spy.

      Chuck will lie about putting the toilet seat down.

      Fan reaction: Chuck’s a miserable excuse for a human being and totally unworthy of Sarah.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Obviously the kittens are Ring, the puppies Fulcrum and the toilet seat critical to the future of Chuck and Sarah’s relationship. Chuck has to stop lying to Sarah!

      • weaselone says:

        Oh no, my snarkiness backfires. I meant “while grinding her heel into a sack full of puppies.”

      • weaselone says:

        Don’t forget Ellie. He’s the only one lying to her.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Hope you don’t mind I edited your snarkness so it reads as intended, thus making your correction seem odd and out of place.

        Glad to be able to help.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        too far.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Possibly. I certainly didn’t mean to come off as mocking you, I understand your point and the argument you made re: Chuck’s secrets. I just thought the new angst overblown. My apologies if I offended you, I was just going for laughs.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        Oh “the horror” is tepid to how far Weaselone took it in my opinion.

        You don’t agree, fine. But don’t mock me or my POV. I think the lying is out of bounds and frankly beyond the character I have fallen for…and really if you don’t see that’s what TPTB are going for, that’s fine. But it’s my opinion and my emotional reaction. We’re all entitled to one.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Again, please understand this was in no way directed at you personally and I apologize that it came off like that. Many others share your POV and have posted about it, and I’ve argued the other side. I was making light of the general idea that Chuck keeping secrets and lying is something unusual. I can see now that you could take it as directed at you, but sincerely it wasn’t.

        I understand your POV, I just think the lying angst is falling flatter than Sham did and was going for laughs based on my POV.

      • weaselone says:

        My apologies CN8. This wasn’t directed at you and I apologize if it seemed that way. It was general snark, not targeted snark. It’s just it feels to me that the other characters are generally given a free pass when it comes to less than ethical behavior while Chuck is held to a horribly high standard.

        Sarah can cap someone in the head and then lie about it in order to protect Chuck and that’s OK, but if Chuck lies about possible health problems to protect Sarah it makes him an untouchable.

        Orion can run away and keep Chuck in the dark his entire life and he’s quickly forgiven. Orion can then continue to hide additional threats to Chuck and Ellie’s very lives from them and Chuck catches flack for lying to the guy about his CIA career.

      • weaselone says:

        And it isn’t even just the recent lying issue, it’s been present all season. Chuck’s been slammed for burning Manoush, lying to Ellie about Paris, hitting Sarah after she told him to, extracting Casey’s tooth, and all the other things he’s had to do on the way to becoming his type of spy when compared to what Sarah and Casey have done on the show what Chuck did amounted to fluff.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I accept your apology and thank you for offering it. I admit I’m taking it personal when I probably shouldn’t. I can only excuse that Chuck to me, is personal 😉

        As for your comment, I do think there’s a certain amount of double standard at play. But it depends on who you ask, some like me think Chuck gets a pass in most everything, while Sarah and her beefcakes have to be held under the microscope. Just examine how many people took exception to the earrings and forgave the lie. But in all honesty, double standard aside, my biggest beef with Chuck lying is because that’s not him, at least not the character we’ve known and love. By doing so and doing so repeatedly he’s showing me that Sarah’s fears weren’t entirely unfounded and really I would prefer that time to be a distant memory.

        Like Sarah I put Chuck in a pedestal and I think he could be so much more…

    • JC says:

      How bout Alex, Carina and Anna all trying to win Morgan. And since all three ladies can throw down, they could have fight over him.

      I like the idea of Jill coming back, especially since it looked like DNA on Mama B’s computer screen. Chuck could try and enlist her help and once Sarah finds out well let the fun begin.

      And since Chuck is off the books he could offer to find Sarah’s mom or her dad again.

      • Paul says:

        I love the idea of Morgan being the “prize” for 3 ladies. About time the little bearded man got some love. 😀 And the way they had Anna come back, it’s not inconceivable that she could return again in S4. However, I prefer Morgan going after Alex.

      • Faith says:

        Morgan’s angels montage/dream!

  19. herder says:

    It’s kind of interesting that of all the characters introduced this season, the one that most seem to want a return from is Alex. Shaw is a possible return, but I don’t sense a lot of excitement at the thought, except to possibly see him run over by a tank.

    I’d rather see others return, most notably Carina “if a yawn could yawn”, Jack Burton and Roan Montgomery. Jill and Hannah are a bit of the same thing, both would be jealous that Sarah gets to have the life with Chuck that both wanted, Cole might be fun going the other way. I’d love a thanksgiving episode involving Carina and Jack Burton, how would Chuck and Sarah explain those two to Ellie and they likely would make Casey very uncomfortable “pass the sweet potatoes cop face”.

    I’d like to see something made of the Rios system from Dream Job and the whole Project Omaha thing, could they be tied to Mama B in any way?

    If the CIA has the Ring’s intersect computer could they get more intersect agents or will they all go mad as Shaw did? Does the General get promoted as her superiors supported Shaw the Ring agent and had her arrested and tossed into jail.

    If both Fulcrum and the Ring are both kaput, who is the new Big Bad and does Chuck clue into their existence before the CIA. By the same token, is Mama B with the good guys or the bad guys. Lots of fun stuff to think about for the next few weeks until we get Comic-con hints about where things are going.

    • cas says:

      We need to actors who can bring some fans with them like Katee Sackhoff. Someone well known but not too famous that we can’t afford to pay them

    • Ernie Davis says:

      My guess is the new big bads were identified on some of those files in the Orion Cave. And yes, Chuck will clue in first. Jack Burton would be a great guest, especially if Chuck finds him and asks Sarah if she wants to see/save him again. Jack unleashed on Morgan, Awesome, and Ellie would also be hilarious. Roan back in the picture could be fun. I want to see which worries Casey more. Alex hanging out with Carina or Roan within a mile of his daughter. A Hannah return could be fun, just to see Chuck try to make amends and Sarah to go ballistic that he’s sending the wrong signals. Jill showing up wearing the ring Chuck gave her would also have some impact. 😉

      • herder says:

        Another one that I would like to see is some sort of child centered episode, maybe protecting the children of some important scientist. Casey with children has Kindergarden Cop written all over it, Morgan would be tied up withing 15 minutes. Sarah could be either unexpectedly good or bad with kids and her seeing Chuck with kids (shades of him and the balerina in the pilot) could lead to a discussion at home later at night once the mission is over.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Good thoughts, and if Ellie and Devon start a family that could be a parallel B-plot. Also this is the kind of thing that Chuck and the gang as freelancers opens up, essentially a bodyguard episode as opposed to national security.

    • JC says:

      With the revelation that Chuck was exposed to the Intersect as kid we could get a flashback of Papa B and Bryce. Why he contacted Bryce about Chuck and why Bryce knew he could handle the Intersect.

    • Josh says:

      I hope they don’t do any big baddies next season, let’s not kid ourselves here, this show has many talents but constructing baddies is not one of its strong suits (as Fulcrum and the Ring can attest)

      My guess, the central storyline will be getting to Mama Bartowski and the baddies would be those standing between Chuck/Ellie and her. Probably might include some factions of the Government. Overall I think the show would work better with a baddie of the week kinda deal, maybe with a small 2-3 episode baddie arc for finales etc.

      • atcdave says:

        I was sort of commenting on this the other day; I think the greatest strength of the show is the fun and likeable characters. So I too prefer simpler and occasionally comic foes, while the main and dramatic focus of the show remains on the central cast. Let Chuck, Sarah, and the gang be the only fully fleshed out characters. The baddies exist to provide them challenges and contrast, NOT to be fully fleshed out entities in their own right.

        To be clear, Shaw is really the only time they badly violated what I want to see. And I think they learned their lessens.

    • Merve says:

      I’d love to see Alex, Carina, Jack, and Cole return. It might be funny to see Carina try to woo Morgan away from Alex for a night of passion. Jack could come back to shed some light on Sarah’s past; maybe some dangerous people are after her or her father. Cole could just come back for some good old-fashioned James Bond antics. As for Roan, he was great, but he really seemed like a one-time guest star; his purpose has been served.

      I’m up in the air about Jill. I absolutely hated her first arc (even more than anything involving Shaw), but I thought that what she brought to the story in “First Kill” was great. It might be fun to bring her back to show Chuck what it’s like to live life on the run.

      I really don’t want Hannah to come back. Her ability to suck the life out of the screen in “Mask” and “Fake Name” was truly astounding. (I honestly cheered when Chuck dumped her.) To be clear, I’m not criticizing Kristin Kreuk’s acting; I just thought that her character went way downhill after “Nacho Sampler.”

      It might be interesting to see Laszlo or Manoosh make a return to show Chuck what it’s like to live in a bunker. I’d also like the perpetually undead Vincent to make a reappearance.

      To be honest, I’d be fine if almost any previous Chuck guest star returned, as long as the awful museum curator from “Mask” stays off my TV screen.

      • Paul says:

        I would love to see Roan come back, but this time be a mentor for Morgan!

      • Merve says:

        That could work really well, Paul; I didn’t think of Roan that way.

      • atcdave says:

        This show has had so many well crafted secondary characters just screaming to get written back in. Alex is the must have for S4; it almost makes my brain hurt thinking how good papa bear Casey would be when Morgan tries to move on his cub. Corina and Jack Burton seem like people we need to hear from again too. I wouldn’t mind seeing some of the past LIs, but apart from Jill having a ring Sarah might soon be wanting, I don’t really see any compelling stories there.

      • Paul says:

        I could see Cole making a comeback, and still trying to hit on Sarah….much to both Chuck and Sarah’s chagrin.

    • Crumby says:

      Alex is the character I want to see return that’s for sure. Apart from what it could bring to Casey and Morgan, her scenes in the finale really worked for me. I really liked her and the intercations she had.

      Carina is full of fun and had stories with 4 characters: Chuck, Sarah, Casey and Morgan. She only made 2 episodes but it feels like she had a huge impact.

      Jack Burton would be great. I hope we’ll get a Sarah-centric episode next season.

      From all the LIs, I think only Jill would really be interesting.

      Chuck and her have a huge connection. Last time she saw him she told him “don’t let them change you”, wasn’t what Sarah was saying all season? And I’d kind of like to see how Chuck and Sarah react to her. If Jill hadn’t been recruited by Fulcrum, Chuck and Jill probably wouldn’t have broken up. I’m not saying that I want them to play the PLI card but just talk about Chuck and Jill realtionship/friendship whatever that is, they do care for each other.
      And she can be part of the spy story. Especially if Chuck do underground operations, it could fit easily.

      Lou or Hannah wouldn’t bring anything to the spy story, and I didn’t liked them that much.

      I thought the Cole thing was ended well, I don’t need him back.

      I’d like a guest star to play someone from Sarah’s past.

  20. Tamara Burks says:

    I found this on http://www.nbc.com/chuck/exclusives/jeffster/blog/

    It bolsters my theory that Jeffster mind become known because they’re wanted by the cops.

    Take It on the Run, Baby.
    Posted by Jeffster on May 25, 2010 1:38 PM
    Packing up. Buying cheese-its. And loading up Loretta, even though she’s storing enough supplies for a nuclear meltdown.

    There’s only one thing more important than being famous – and that’s being INFAMOUS. All the reports and hysteria are true – Jeffster! rocked out so hard in a true blaze of glory fashion that now we’re wanted by the man. Like Lindsay Lohan.

    So we’re taking it on the run, baby. Rocking out as we hide out. But never from you. Cause we’re hitting the road. So if anyone has a cot to share, holla out. Because the van isn’t as spacious as it looks – and Jeff is a cuddler.

    Rock long, rock hard, rock ON.

    Lester

    • atcdave says:

      Wow, Jeff is a cuddler. That’s a really unsettling piece of info!

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I hope that this summer we get a bit more of this type of thing (webisodes and fun stuff to tide us over, not intimate details about Jeff and Lester). The wait last summer/fall seemed like forever.

      • jason says:

        the spy notes were updated, seemed to be somewhat interesting and well done, almost every character had 2 or 3 sentences from chuck’s season end perspective, don’t have the link handy, nbc site

      • herder says:

        I think that they’ll have to as I doubt that NBC will be doing a lot of on air promotion. Chuck will have to develop other types of promotion to involve the fans and get them to push the show on others.

  21. sniderman says:

    I know we’re all tired of the internal family secrets (and Ellie’ll kill Chuck if he lies/hides something from her again), but it ain’t a spy show without secrets. So how about this:

    Team Bartowski remains one of the CIA/NSA’s most highly regarded assets (with Ellie’s blessing). But Chuck’s double identity as “new Orion” is kept a secret from Beckman and the government. So Chuck and the team continues as recognized agents, but they also work undercover away from gov’t interference. It’d be interesting if Beckman was to complain about “Orion’s constant interference” with Team B’s operations. 😉

    • Merve says:

      To expand on that, since Casey is a true patriot, he probably wouldn’t agree to participate in Orion missions. Team Bartowski would still be involved with the CIA, but Chuck and Sarah would try to hide their Orion missions from the rest of Team Bartowski, i.e. Casey and Morgan. Ellie and Awesome may or may be clued in to the Orion stuff.

      • Merve says:

        That should say “may or may not be clued in.”

      • Paul says:

        If Sarah and Casey remain government agents, I think thier involvement (particularly Casey’s) would hinge on how congruent Chuck’s and thier goals are. “My enemy’s enemy is my friend” kind of thing. Howver, in interesting dynamic could be when their mission goals are in complete opposition (ie Chuck wants to capture a baddie to question him, but Sarah and Casey have termination order for him).

    • atcdave says:

      I really like these ideas. They would know that Stephen Bartowski is dead, which would lead them to suspect Chuck. So perhaps Chuck occasionally loans out the costume and Ellie and/or Sarah do Orion missions while Chuck is working in plain sight with Casey and Morgan. That could be fun.

  22. JC says:

    So I’m guessing that the start of season 4 will be a few months after the finale.

    Either Sarah and Casey are still Burbank to keep an eye on Chuck or Beckman keeps them there because they both requested it. They still do missions for the government but not as often.

    We’ll probably get hints of Chuck’s(Perseus?) activities during a briefing. The government is worried about a rogue operative going after different elements. I’m guessing Chuck won’t have told anyone his secret but Sarah or Beckman will suspect him because it’s similar to what Orion did.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if more of Chuck’s past reveals he was destined to become the Intersect/hero. Maybe even he was designed in a way to fight whatever or whoever the big bad is.

    • atcdave says:

      Sarah has to be in on it, at least early in S4 if not from the start. I hope they realize how bad Chuck looks keeping secrets from her, and I think they do. Fedak has already mentioned it was a mistake to keep “major characters” apart for so much of S3, I think they now realize Chuck and Sarah must be a team for this sort of stuff.

      • JC says:

        If she doesn’t know at the start of the season, she will by the end of the first episode. If anything the two of them will keep it a secret from everyone else. Then slowly as the season progresses more people will be brought in.

    • Chuckaddict says:

      Wasn’t Perseus the scientist that Chuck accidentally shot while looking for Orion in season 2?

  23. Ernie Davis says:

    So when does Ellie’s Neurology knowledge come into play? Also, I guess I need to re-watch, but was Ellie clued in on the intersect, or just the spy life? My impression was that Morgan was still the only one who knew about the intersect other than Casey and Sarah. So, Chuck is still keeping secrets.

    Alright, so here’s a thought. Ellie starts her new Neurology fellowship and finds out about some fascinating new research on implanting memories via images and this mysterious “patient X”. She uncovers a new problem/potential and is drawn back into the nefarious world of spies. This mysterious Orion figure contacts her, hacking into her computer, to let her know she’s in danger. Ellie, who knows Chuck is no longer a spy and doesn’t want to worry him, goes to Casey/Morgan/Sarah for help. At this point Casey/Morgan/Sarah is still unaware that Chuck is the new Orion, as he’s been (shocking I know) keeping it a secret.

    • atcdave says:

      I like the idea of Ellie getting involved that way, the others not quite so much. I do think Morgan is the only semi- outsider who knows about the intersect. I’m sure Ellie is clueless about the Orion stuff, but didn’t Jason mention something about what dad was working on? Ellie might get into Intersect work knowing its her dad’s legacy.

    • JC says:

      What if Mama B got Ellie the fellowship? That quick shot of her computer looked like DNA which makes sense if she was involved in the development of putting the Intersect in a human.

      And we know Mama B disappeared after her necklace was broken but obviously the reason was Chuck uploaded the Intersect.

    • Paul says:

      I think Ellie might be crucial in finding a permanent solution to the “overload” problem of the intersect.

    • Faith says:

      I’m very interested in what happens now to his “vivid” dreams? Do they go away altogether? Or is it one of those evolved and essential mechanisms of the intersect that it’s a good thing it stays? After all his dreams are the one that clued in on Shaw being alive, the Doctor being a baddie, and of course GB with the cymbals…

      • Ernie Davis says:

        You do realize what Beckman with the cymbals means, right? Chuck and Dianne will reach a (ahem) crescendo together (twice) at some point. Season 4, it’s gonna happen for Duck. 😉

      • Merve says:

        From a practical storytelling perspective, it would be confusing for new viewers to bring back Chuck’s vivid dreams. It would also be difficult to keep finding ways to work Chuck’s dreams into the storylines. I’m going to say that the Governor probably got rid of the dreams.

      • atcdave says:

        That Doc Dreyfus thought the dreams had to do with the stress of the Intersect, which may be exactly what the Governer fixes. So for both internal and external reasons I don’t think we’ll see much more of the dream thing.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I knew it was something sexual! That Beckman is a tiger! LOL.

    • Merve says:

      Honestly, there are days when I feel that this whole neurology thing was just a red herring, kind of like Omaha. I really don’t want it to be that way, though; I like the idea of Eleanor Bartowski-Woodcomb*, Intersect Doctor. But the fact that Chuck’s “vivid dreams” mentioned in “Final Exam” came back later in the story gives me hope.

      The other way that I can see this unfolding is that whereas Papa Bartowski developed the of Intersect, Mama Bartowski

    • Merve says:

      developed methods of subliminally implanting intelligence into people’s brains. Together, the husband-and-wife team developed the version of the Intersect that Chuck uploaded in the pilot episode. Ellie might discover exactly how the technology works and why Chuck’s brain is so special. She could even work on perfecting the technology.

      *Did Ellie keep her maiden name? Or did she change her last name to Woodcomb? Or does she hyphenate it? Different sources say different things. (But the NBC website has her character listed as Ellie Woodcomb.)

  24. Jayhawk fan says:

    Everyone’s talking about things they would like to see, so what crossover’s would you all like to see?

    For me I would like to see a Chuck/Burn Notice crossover, or Chuck/Undercovers? Just some thoughts.

    Edit: I realize that the Burn Notice crossover would be difficult even though USA is affiliated with NBC.

  25. sniderman says:

    “Chuck Vs. Comic Con”

    You know you want to see it.

    • Paul says:

      Are they confirmed as attending yet?

      • sniderman says:

        No idea. I’m talking about an episode of Chuck where Chuck and Morgan attend (with a befuddled Sarah in tow) and they stumbled across a plot to spread spy data in comic book art or some-such spy hijinks. Just think it’d be a neat nod to the fans to actually have Comic-Con figure into a plotline.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        That and there’s a Mass Effect 2 poster in the background with Miranda featured prominently for them to all double take on.

      • BDaddyDL says:

        Yvonne is doing a charity event that day. I am seriously wondering if she is not a little spooked since that idiot on g4 did that interview. I saw the interview it was painful to watch.

      • atcdave says:

        Sad to say, but think she would be wise to avoid nerd heavy events. Yes, I am a nerd, but too many of us don’t know how to treat a lady (well duh, we’re nerds!)

    • joe says:

      Chuck vs. The Comic-Con would be a great episode, Snideman.

      And that brings up a question that I may make more public than comment #145 in a days old thread. Does anyone here plan to attend San Diego Comic-Con (July 21-25)??? And if so, would you like to be our on-the-scene reporter?

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      Costumes!

  26. herder says:

    I saw a repeat of the VH1 show eighty top one hit wonders of the eighties and I was trying to figure out which would fit with Chuck. Number one was Come on Eileen and short of some sort of Jeffster reference I don’t see it fitting. A top five was A-Ha’s Take on Me, again short of a Hart to Hart video type bit I can’t see it fitting, that said, Yvonne would look good with her hair up and her and Zach doing the video.

    A personal favorite, way down the list was Haircut One Hundred’s Love Plus One is goofy enough to fit butperhaps too obscure to be OK. Big Country’s In a Big Country is a great song but I don’t see how it would mesh with the show. General Public’s Tenderness seems a no brainer.

    Some, not on the list that I do think would fit are Dire Straits’ Brothers in Arms, anything by Elvis Costello, Blondie’s Dreamin’, Queen and David Bowie’s Under Pressure, Violent Femmes’s Bister in the Sun, Pete Townsend’s Let My Love Open the Door, anything by the Clash, Psychadelic Fur’s Love My Way or Heartbreak Beat, anything by the Police, David Bowie’s Modern Love, Lou Reed’s I Love You Suzanne, anything by the Smiths, Lloyd Cole and the Commotions’Lost Weekend, Jaluka’s Scatterlings of Africa ( ok perhaps the last two are too obscure for most) Joe Jackson’s Is She Really Going Out With Him and Nik Kershaw’s Wouldn’t it be Nice.

  27. nombre445 says:

    chuck venezuela is with you

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