Chuck (This) vs. SWFGs

But There’s No “Vs.” About It!

You probably know of the Sarah Walker Fan Girls site.  Their podcasts are energetic, informative and most of all, fun (Oh yes, these ladies are real Chuck fans).   Despite Amy’s best efforts, they’ve got something that we don’t have here – a very strong female voice and perspective.   Hey! I try, but I sing baritone.

Attempting to fill this obvious deficiency, I went to Kris D. at SWFG hoping to be enlightened.  The main question I hoped to find answers to really applied to both Sarah and Ellie, and perhaps it’s best translated into guy-speak as “Huh???”.  What came out was her promise to write down her thoughts on the women of Chuck and share them with the world.

Today Kris starts my education.

My hope for the coming season is for Ellie to evolve out of her mom/sis hybrid role. For that to happen, Chuck would have to stop enabling it as well. The show has unfortunately most often used Ellie as the un-fun and naggy voice in the Chuck-verse. Season 3 showed glimpses of how much fun Ellie can be outside of that role. Whether dancing in the Generalissimo’s party, having a girl-bonding moment with Sarah in said party, championing Sarah when he was about to give up on her during American Hero:

If you love her, if she’s the one, then you don’t stop. You don’t quit. You never go too far… You are a Bartowski, Chuck. Start acting like one!

To me those lines are kinda like the verbal, swift kick in the butt only a true best friend can give. They’re my favorite lines from her. She can be sassy, and fun, and I hope they showcase that more.

Enlightenment. Kris has got it right, and as The Instapundit would say, Read The Whole Thing (and then leave comments).  The show may be centered around Chuck, and our attention is always focused on The Romance ™.  But this time around I start to have no doubt that Sarah Lancaster’s Ellie is going to be central.  The sister/mother/wife is also going to be daughter in S4, and it’s going to have an impact.

Just look at how much the relationships have changed.  Chuck & Sarah as a couple is almost the least of it – at least we could see the contours of that relationship from the beginning.  Casey and Morgan, Morgan and (potentially) Alex, Chuck and Stephen – those are all different.  Up to now, Ellie’s relationship to Chuck has been eternally steadfast and unchanging.  The person who admonished him to attend his own birthday party in the pilot is the same person who told him to act like a Bartowski three years later.  That’s going to change in ways I can only imagine as the enigmatic Mamma Bartowski enters the room.

Once you’ve read Kris’s article, go on to listen to a podcast or two.  I can’t wait to hear the reports coming from ComicCon next month, and the ladies of SWFG will be embedded right in the middle of it all.

– joe


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16 Responses to Chuck (This) vs. SWFGs

  1. Mel says:

    Well said, Kris! And kudos to you, Joe, for getting the SWFG’s perspective. They are indeed a fun, provocative bunch dedicated to championing the women on Chuck.

    • joe says:

      It’s so nice to see your name here, Mel! You can be sure the I was listening to you and Liz and Gray long before this effort was conceived. (Heh! ChuckTV is truly the MOABs as far as the Chuck fandom is concerned.)

      We’re looking forward to some great reports coming out of ComicCon from you folks!

  2. Ernie Davis says:

    We were just talking about Living Dead in the review and something occured to me, how integral Ellie and keeping her in the dark all this time was to the plot of these last three. It’s like Ellie was the wild card they could finally play. Yes, Shaw knew the team and all, but he couldn’t show his face till they were ready to discredit team B. Ellie was key to both infiltrating Team B and finding Orion, and to the rescue of Chuck, Sarah, and Casey. Plus, it was Ellie that convinced Chuck, the titular leader of the team, to stay and fight rather than go off grid. Pretty good. I’d say rivaling Devon in the Awesome Episodes for developing and putting an underused character to really good use.

    • joe says:

      And another supernova goes off.
      It’s as if Ellie appears out of nowhere to make the crucial difference, isn’t it. Great insight, Ernie.

    • JC says:

      If anything the season finale showed what a force of nature Ellie’s character can be. Like Ernie said she convinced Chuck to fight. Two seasoned spies like Sarah and Casey fell right in line when she gave the order.

      She watched her father get murdered, she handled it. Then she organized a plan to rescue her brother, it didn’t matter if it was the CIA or Ring. They had her baby brother and that meant war.

      If Mama B has the same type of personality with Sarah’s spy skils. Watch Out.

  3. OldDarth says:

    It is great when various groups with their own perspective get together. Also very enlightening.

    Kudos for doing this Joe! I listen to their podcasts too and find them quite stimulating and entertaining.

    Looking forward to reading, seeing, and hearing everyone’s impressions of SDCC this year.

    • joe says:

      I know we’ve both had the pleasure of conversing with most of them in both the NBC boards and especially on Twitter, Lou. I’m sure you agree that their energy verges on legendary.

      Hoo-boy! I just had a chance to go over the twitter log from this morning when I put it up. SWFGs were all over it in moments.

      Zac is right. From any angle, the Chuck fandom is a great community.

  4. odysszeuss says:

    WOW! i really like this joint venture.
    …und das häckchen für die follow-up comments via email ist gesetzt

  5. Faith says:

    I like to think we have a good female contingency on this blog…granted we’re the minority but we’re a loud and zealous minority! 🙂

  6. OldDarth says:

    Absolutely. Love their energy!

  7. BDaddyDL says:

    I listen to the fangirls all the time when I commute. I do roll my eyes when they talk about fashion, but I really enjoy their insights. While reading the post I could hear her voice, since I have heard her voice, and not read it.

    I am looking forward to more interaction. It is so great the a fandomn can both stretch individuality and maintain friendships. It’s a testament to the moderators on Chuck this, swfg, and the fandom as a whole.

    • kris says:

      Hi BDaddy, i know we can’t help it. We’re girls so we notice these things. Thanks for taking the time to listen to us. Also, thanks for the moderators of chuckthisblog for being such gracious people 🙂

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Kris, trust me we notice these things too. (And by we I mean guys.) It’s just that our interest is probably slightly different in nature and our commentary is usually limited to “wow”. 😉

  8. jason says:

    thx kris, I listened to the podcast each week, thought you guys had a bunch of fun with it, the group’s attitude toward shaw was worth the price of admission, if there was one – LOL – I am glad you chose ellie to start with, I was a fan of hers in everwood reruns, from her first episode on there, she was very ellie like, albeit blond and pretty young, kicking butt with both the older and younger male members of the brown clan – she also plays a band lead singer in everwood, wonder if jeffster might be in ellie’s future, wouldn’t that be fun – thanks again – looking forward to the ‘sarah’ review

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