S3 Revisited: Chuck vs. The Ring, Pt. 2

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Chuck vs. The Ring Pt. 2 is a western.

The gunslinger is back in town, a cold killer looking for revenge.  The marshal is already gone – or dead – and the mild mannered deputy, the one who hardly ever even wears a gun, is the only one left to save the towns people.  Only the saloon girl with the heart of gold believes in him and thinks the deputy is up to it.

Or maybe he’s the peaceful, prayerful, respected farmer who’s had his cattle rustled already by the outlaws and his dutiful, loving wife violated in the process.  Or maybe his friend was killed because he chose to not fight earlier.  Sadly and dramatically, he’s hampered and constrained by his own sense of responsibility and maybe even his own guilt.  It’s still all his fault because he made his decisions.

Sarah: Look, I know how much you’re hurting, Chuck.  But you have to know there’s nothing that you could have done, okay? It’s not your fault.

Chuck: Yes it is.  I’m the one who downloaded the Intersect 2.0. I’m the one who chose to be a spy, and it’s him who paid the price.

Either way, a showdown is coming.  It’s inevitable and it’ll be at high noon.  No surprise there.  Some fights you never, ever walk away from.


In classic westerns, the honest man always fights for one thing – he fights for his family and loyal friends; never for himself.  That’s really hard to do when things get so personal that your emotions and your history get in your way.  The problem is, it’s always personal.

Ellie: I can’t believe that he’s gone.  Crazy dad…

Chuck: He wasn’t crazy.
Our dad was a hero.  He was a great man, who did amazing things.  He was not perfect, not as a dad, no.  But he was great.
That’s the secret I most wanted you to know.

Ellie: What are we gonna do?

Chuck: We’re gonna go after him, and were gonna get him.  We’re gonna take him down – the Ring, Shaw – for what they did to dad, they are got gonna get away with this.

Ellie: Okay.
And then you’re done.

Chuck: What?

Ellie: As a spy.  This life, this job…
Chuck, I made a promise to protect you, but I can’t do it.  Not from this. So you finish it, and then you’re done.

Chuck: Ellie, I can’t…

Ellie: We are all we have left, Chuck.  And I’m not going to lose you too.

Chuck: Okay.  I get Shaw, and I quit.
I promise.

Chuck is not the frivolous, lightweight guy we liked from the beginning, who hid from his own party (hid from the women, actually) and preferred to play spy games with Morgan.  This is not even the guy we saw  training in Prague, who started so well but ended up with his pants around his ankles.  That guy had his dreams of saving the world and getting the girl, and he gave it his best shot.  But he washed out. That guy blew it with the CIA and with Sarah.

This Chuck is not thinking of saving the world, or what he wants, or what Sarah wants.  He’s not going to do what he must do because he’s got an Intersect in his head that lets him do fantastic, heroic things.  Chuck is taking on this responsibility because it’s being asked of him.

And oh, does he do it well.  His Yuri Szchenko is Perchik (from Fiddler on the Roof) and it’s no mere cover.  It’s quite a distance from high school acting.  It’s not a half-joke the way Charles Carmichael was when Chuck wanted to play “cool, James Bond”.  This is deadly serious, it’s not an act and it’s all him.   Chuck is in agony when he flashes, but still lays out Justin with an umbrella and his own skills.  He calmly waits for Shaw in his own office, able to taunt, mock and trick the “master spy” into revealing the Ring Elders and confessing in public (Mwa-ha).   With all that mastery in the air, who even remembers girlish screams?

Shaw: No gun. Very brave, Chuck.
So what’s happening?

Chuck: You’re under arrest.

Shaw: No.  What are you doing here?  What’s your plan?

Chuck: I’m sorry.   Are you asking me to make the classic villain mistake of explaining my dastardly plot to you?
[Shaw rolls his eyes.]
Know what?  I’d love to!

The reappearance of words, phrases and moments from past episodes as memory ticklers is wonderful.  The Mexican Hat Dance?   Used in Undercover Lovers, you recall.  Chuck sliding low while his foe goes high was Chuck and Bryce play-fighting in the stacks in Alma Mater.  The proper method of getting out of handcuffs?  Suburbs, of course, and even Helicopter (although Sarah used a paper clip in that one, and Casey is going to break Morgan’s thumbs anyway if Morgan insists on texting Alex).  And then there’s “Pineapple”.  That was a gift, and one I appreciated.

The climactic scene with Chuck facing down Shaw is another one of those action sequences that should win Chuck an Emmy Award.  It’s high noon, the screens behind are showing a gunfight, and the hero falls before he is resurrected.  The fight ends with Chuck looking every inch the hero.  It’s not lost on me that he defeats Shaw, not with a big, obvious “John Wayne roundhouse-right”, but with a massive inside elbow strike.  It’s a fighter’s move, a warrior’s tactic.  You have to get inside, very tight to do it, right in the teeth of your opponents attack.  It takes as much bravery as skill to execute.  Chuck never lacked for bravery.  If you see him through Steven’s eyes (as I tend to do), the overwhelming emotion is pride.

We’ve seen Chuck with his hand on somebody’s throat and murder in his eyes before too.  No one deserves it more than insane Shaw, of course.  He killed Chuck’s father, almost killed Sarah and wanted to kill Chuck.  At the end, he tries to taunt Chuck into killing him too, if only to destroy completely what Chuck once was, and also that part of him that Sarah fell in love with.  Like I said, it’s always personal.  But for all the changes he’s gone through, you know he won’t.   “No thanks.  I’ve already done that once before.”

There’s one more reminder of a beloved scene in Chuck vs. The Ring Pt. 2.  Chuck put a bracelet on Sarah’s wrist in Season 2, and the runners knew that meant a lot to the fans.  Here, Sarah puts the governor on his wrist in return.

Chuck: Sarah, I told Ellie that I’d quit after we stopped the Ring, and I meant it.  I can’t lie to her.
Do you think you could love a regular guy?

Sarah: Well, I fell in love with a regular guy.

He’s a civilian, just like Ellie, from that moment on.  Chuck and Sarah will be okay, though, CIA or no.  It did worried me at first, I’ll confess. But it’s not an issue.  It’s a way this show can pursue it’s paths and go off in unexpected directions despite the machinations of television network executives, if they choose to do that.  It allows some freedom to maneuver and even grow.

The Buy More – that’s another story.  It’s blown to bits.  No, Jeff and Lester didn’t to that, but they might as well have.  Big Mike thinks so; It’s gone, and so are they.

And you know, that doesn’t bother me.  As much as I loved the Buy More, I’m ready to see it go.  Chuck (the character and the show) has outgrown it, and it’s served it’s purpose (with dignity and honor, as Casey would say).  Harry Tang and Emmett Milbarge were fun characters, but I haven’t thought about them in quite a while.

Season 4 begins with the call from Stephen to Chuck.  It’s a call from beyond.  He’s left the CIA and maybe all that “spy stuff” behind.  But Chuck is not done with The Intersect; he’s about to start “doing things Governments are afraid to do.”   Stephen tells us that his story is only just beginning and I’m convinced that it’s going to be very different from what we’ve seen.

– joe

Ellie to the Rescue.

Team B is in trouble.  Big trouble.  They’ve lost, as Chuck so convincingly puts it.  But Chuck has another team.  His sister, as we soon see in a flashback, has had a lifelong charge.  Look out for Chuck.  Ellie has accomplished a lot in her life.  She’s a doctor, an awesome wife, and she’s been a mother and sister to Chuck.  Ellie has kept faith with her promise and we get the impression has sacrificed and mothered and fathered Chuck most of her life.  Oh yeah, a few hours ago Ellie discovered that Chuck, his on-again-off-again girlfriend, her dad, and their neighbor have all been spies for years.  Her father is dead and now Chuck is in the hands of murderers.  The same murders who just killed her father.  The same murderers who convinced her she was helping to protect him. Think Chuck is at a low point?  Chuck had prepared himself for this, we saw that at the end of Living Dead.  He didn’t want to see his Father pay the price for his decisions, but he understood the consequences to himself.  Ellie, through her actions has killed her father and is about to do the same to her brother as far as she knows.  Think Chuck is having a bad day?

Well at least it can’t get much worse.  Oh, wait, while Ellie was daydreaming she lost the truck.  Now it’s up to Morgan and Awesome to save her brother.  Did I mention that Ellie is having a bad day?  Fortunately for Team B, no plan + Morgan and Awesome + Casey’s car = successful rescue.  Should have known there was more to Casey’s car than just a pistol in the glovebox.  Chuck and Ellie are re-united, and all is well.  Or at least it will be.  Chuck will make it OK.  He’ll find Shaw, take him down and destroy The Ring, and they can go back to their lives, and Chuck will quit.  Because it’s Ellie.  Ellie can make that demand.  Ellie is mom, dad, and sis all in one, and right now she’s telling Chuck he can’t do this to her, it isn’t fair.  After all those years and everything she’s done she can’t have him become someone she doesn’t even know within the space of a few hours.  She’s lost her dad, she can’t lose Chuck too.  Ellie wants Chuck back.  Her Chuck, the lovable baby brother she can love and protect and mother.  She can’t have a Chuck that punches out CIA agents and gets arrested or shot.  That isn’t Chuck, so she demands he be Chuck again for her.  Ellie is having a bad day.  I suspect on some later good day Ellie will relent.  She doesn’t even know it, but by forcing Chuck to quit the CIA she made him the most valuable free-agent (ahem) on the market.  Chuck may not work for the CIA again, but Chuck is a spy.  Everyone knows it.  Even Orion knew it.  So the question now is what kind of a spy will Chuck be?

Oh, the rest of the episode?  Joe’s got that covered.  I’m more interested in the questions this episode raised.

– What wonders will we find in Orion’s lair?

– Why did Mary Bartowski leave?

– Will/did Sarah quit too?

– Will Ellie un-freak about Chuck any time soon, or will she be the new victim of Chuck’s lies since his lies to Sarah are getting pretty unpopular.

– Morgan in the CIA and Chuck not?  The mind reels.

– So the intersect project was shut down.  Will it stay that way?

– What is the deal with that reboot?

– How long and far can Jeffster run?

– Where will everyone work as a cover?

– Is Castle gone?

– Now that Dianne isn’t Chuck’s boss anymore will those crazy kids ever get their shot?

The questions are fun, and now we can indulge in them.  Chuck came out of a rough patch and managed to re-invent itself, perhaps twice, within 6 episodes.  Imagine what they can do next season.  I know I’ll spend a lot of the summer thinking about it.

– Ernie

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82 Responses to S3 Revisited: Chuck vs. The Ring, Pt. 2

  1. kg says:

    I think folks are correct in assuming that Mary Bartowski was Stephen’s handler. Father and son both fall hard for their respective handlers.

    Wouldn’t it be interesting, though, to find that Sarah knows Mary Bartowski, but not as Chuck’s mom, with another name. And perhaps Mary might have been a mentor who trained a young Sarah.

    Either way, some more gripping dialogue in addition to the chats we’ve privately hoped Ellie and Sarah have this fall.

    Yes Ernie, why did Chuck’s mom leave? We know why Steve left and we know why and appreciate why he reappeared. We do know she left a couple of days after Chuck broke the necklace.

    I don’t know if it has any significance beyond Chuck’s love for Sarah, but we know Walker has Mary’s charm bracelet.

    • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

      Although I do like the “Sarah and Mary somehow knew each other before” theory, I’m going to go with Mary was actually a foreign spy / genetics expert (yes, I know, ripped from recent headlines) who fell in love with Stephen and had to be hidden when the “foreigners” came calling.

  2. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Thanks for the awesome post Joe and thanks to Ernie for putting in writing some main and very pertinent questions.I am going to give a thorough reading before commenting on it later on. For now thanks again. Only gripe – Chuck giving in so easily to Ellie’s demand – but maybe that was just used to set up what was coming in the end – Orion’s legacy.

    @kg – If it turns out that Mama B indeed knew Sarah way back, then “it’s a really small world that Chuck lives in”. Everything and everyone is connected some way or the other.

    My big questions for Season 4 – Will there be more lies? If so how long will they continue? Will Chuck and Sarah work as a team towards a common goal or will they be at cross purposes (i.e Sarah bound by her missions to the C.I.A and Chuck pretty much a vigilante type figure)? Apart from the search for Mama B, what type of missions can we expect in Season 4? Will the missions find Chuck (i.e enemies getting closer) or will Chuck find trouble? What will the Ellie/Sarah dynamic be now?

    • joe says:

      Genie, thanks for the compliment.

      You know, before I went back and re-watched Ring pt 2 (for like, the 4th time, I think), I thought that Chuck gave in to Ellie pretty easily too. Or, at least, she seemed to pressure him into it awfully effectively.

      But when I captured this dialog, the more I looked at it the more it seemed that it was a real struggle for both of them.

      Ellie: I don’t understand how you can know all this – how you can have all these secrets – and I’m the last person to know. I thought that I knew you better than anyone.
      Chuck: Not telling you was the best way to keep you safe. Believe me, there was no one I wanted to tell more. I mean, you raised me, you know?
      You remember when I broke mom’s necklace? And she left a couple of days later? And I thought “So that’s why she disappeared.” – that it was my fault.

      Ellie: I hated her for leaving, for making you feel that way.
      Chuck: And the way you were with dad… No twelve year old should ever have to worry about handling the family bank account.
      Ellie: I can’t believe that he’s gone. Crazy dad…
      Chuck: He wasn’t crazy.
      Our dad was a hero. He was a great man, who did amazing things. He was not perfect, not as a dad. No. But he was great.
      That’s the secret I most wanted you to know.
      Ellie:
      What are we gonna do?
      Chuck: We’re gonna go after him, and were gonna get him. We’re gonna take him down – the Ring, Shaw – for what they did to dad, they are got gonna get away with this.
      Ellie: Okay.
      And then you’re done.

      Chuck: What?
      Ellie: As a spy. This life, this job…
      Chuck, I made a promise to protect you, but I can’t do it. Not from this. So you finish it, and then you’re done.

      Chuck: Ellie, I can’t…
      Ellie: We are all we have left, Chuck. And I’m not going to lose you too.
      Chuck: Okay. I get Shaw, and I quit.
      I promise.

      Chuck was all gung-ho on his mission, but Ellie pulled him up short. He was all she had, she was all he had. Well, not true and more, but it’s emotionally true. It was important for Stephen too, that Chuck not be in that business. At least, not working in the field for the CIA. And it wasn’t just because it was dangerous (Stephen knew from before he threw the knife at him that Chuck could handle himself). Stephen knew it was “a dirty business.” He didn’t want Chuck to be compromised.

      We’re going to be discussing this a lot, I suspect. But as much as Chuck wanted to be a spy in S3, and as much as he and Sarah committed to being spies in The Honeymooners, he’s made a higher commitment now.

  3. joe says:

    Want to add a little post-script. I mentioned how Chuck was such a lightweight when we first meet him. Today I heard The Shins A Comet Appears again. The very first lines:

    One hand on this wily comet,
    Take a drink just to give me some weight,
    Some uber-man I’d make,
    I’m barely a vapor

    It must be a personal thing with me, but even two years later, I find it very haunting.

  4. Merve says:

    Thoughts about the episode:
    – This was my favourite episode of the season.

    – Sure, Chuck defeated Shaw by using the Intersect. But he took down the Ring by using his wits. It was nice to see Chuck’s cleverness being put to good use.

    – One thing I appreciate about Chuck: the secondary characters matter. It was more apparent than ever in this episode and the preceding one. Morgan and Devon saved Team Bartowski’s lives. Ellie convinced Chuck to quit the CIA. Chuck cares about his friends and family, and so does the show, apparently.

    – Does anybody else find it hilarious that Jeff and Lester are so hated that nobody even tried to clear their names?

    – I appreciated the cheesy 80’s action movie dive away from the exploding Buy More. Hey, if you know the CGI is going to look silly, you might as well take advantage of it.

    Thoughts about what’s next:
    – I’m not totally on board with the idea that Mary was Stephen’s handler. If that were the case, I think that Stephen would have made a bigger deal of Chuck and Sarah being romantically involved with each other. For now, my guess is that Mary belonged to a group of vigilante superspies. When Mary disappeared, Stephen continued her work as Orion.

    – We’ve seen the mysterious group of misguided patriots. We’ve seen the standard evil organization hellbent on world domination. We need a new foe next season, one with a specific goal.

    – Chuck needs an Intersect update. The intel is more than a year old.

    – I wonder what the new format of the show will be. It could be more episodic, with Chuck tackling one casefile per episode while the Mama B stuff happens in the background. It could also be heavily serialized, with the Mama B stuff taking up most of the screentime.

    Questions to ponder: Now that Sarah has found love, is she also going to find family? Will Casey reconnect with his ex-fiancée? Will Morgan and Alex try to date? What exactly was the nature of Orion’s spy work? Will the Buy More be rebuilt? Is Ellie going to become a frypan-wielding warrior? Will Big Mike and Bolonia ever get married? Will Shaw return to indulge his murder-by-Chuck fetish?

    • joe says:

      And when, oh when, will Skip Johnson join Team B??! That’s what I want to know! 😉

      Great questions, Merve.

      Interesting, too. I have the impression that a poll of both the denizens of this blog and of the fandom in general would pick Subway as their favorite of S3. But like you, I’d pick this one, by a hair, myself. It’s got something to do with how Chuck his portrayed, and the level of confidence he’s attained. I like it.

      The thing about the format is interesting. I watched the season premier of White Collar and the premier of Covert Affairs last night. Like Burn Notice, they’re both mostly episodic (the problem at hand is neatly wrapped up in one episode), with one, main, continuing thread to last the season. The USA network shows seem to thrive on that, and it used to be my favorite format.

      Needless to say, the Chuck & Sarah saga changed my opinion (well, not fair to say that, really. C&S were only the final push in a long process). For me, it’s a new experience to see a show so thoroughly dominated by a romance. I have an unsubstantiated and obviously premature fear that, now that C&S are together, my favorite long-term story is played out.

      There will be something coming, I’m sure. But in these dog days, I’m a little anxious over what that might be and how much I’ll enjoy it.

      • atcdave says:

        I do prefer the format used on most of the USA shows, its kind of a hybrid, but it makes it easier to watch (and share) favorite episodes out of order. Joe I’m really not that concerned about Chuck and Sarah being played out as a story. It was really only the central story (or theme maybe?) this season. S1 was mainly episodic, and S2 was a mix with the final arc being largely about Chuck himself. Ideally, Chuck and Sarah stories will continue to play out as part of the background in a more action oriented S4.

      • Merve says:

        @joe: Just for the record, “Subway” is my 2nd favourite episode of the season.

        It’s interesting that you brought up the USA network shows. I also watched the premiere of White Collar last night. It was a fine episode and it’s good to see the show back in form after some shaky episodes in the back half of last season. What worries me about the episodic format of a show like White Collar is that after a while, things can get repetitive. I started watching Burn Notice a while back, and I stopped after about a season and a half because it seemed as if the background plot was going nowhere. I think that the more serialized format works for Chuck. It keeps me excited to find out what happens next. I like standalone episodes too, but like I’ve said before, mixing and matching arcs and standalones is the best way to go in my books.

        @Dave: If the spy stuff and the family stuff are very intricately linked, then I can see season 4 being more action-oriented. It might turn out like the episodes from “Lethal Weapon” to “Ring.”

      • joe says:

        I had that same feeling about Burn Notice, Merve.

        And I was worried that the same thing was happening to White Collar too. But yesterday’s episode was pretty good.

        My only criticism is that it didn’t have enough Tiffani Thiessen! Of course, that may not be possible…

      • Merve says:

        Oh yeah, that green screen scene was just awful!

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah Merve, 2.16-2.22 is kind of the “Golden Age” to me.

        I do agree the back story on Burn Notice is tired, but I love the individual episodes. I never liked the “Kate” story on White Collar, and the back story on Covert Affairs left me rolling my eyes. I think on most shows I watch I prefer the stand alones to the on-going arcs, Chuck has really been a bit of an exception in that way.

      • joe says:

        I know what you mean, Dave. I think I like the characters more than the story on Burn Notice. The idea of “spy tips” is a rather cool one, I admit.

        I thought that the Kate plot had real promise in White Collar, but somehow it’s gotten too arcane. I mean, what’s up with Kate & Peter, and is she really dead? And Fowler??? That’s really, really complicated. There’s just too many questions and not enough answers.

        If Covert Affairs has a problem, it’ll be that. Did you notice that the guy who directed White Collar last night (and who also played the baddie), also directed Covert Affairs? Tim Matheson. I won’t be too surprised if they have very much the same flavor throughout the season. They certainly did last night.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah, Tim Matheson really has to have a thing going with USA. He’s been awesome on Burn Notice (I believe he’s directed there too), and played a very similar character on White Coller. Interesting his name was Walker, that name seems to be getting a lot of mileage these days!

      • Merve says:

        Speaking of the shows on the USA network:
        How to Make a USA Network Show

    • herder says:

      Merve, I think that Papa B has his own update capacities in his bat cave. Think back to the Ring and the fact that he knew the CIA agent was supposed to be dead, an update capacity might explain this knowlege. So Chuck could get his update independant of the CIA.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Another possibility is that with Orion’s computers Chuck will be able to gather his intel the old fashioned way and the intersect will be more relegated to his super-power. Not sure how I feel about the possibilities there.

      • atcdave says:

        I always like Chuck using more brains and less Intersect. But I think it has some sort of “auto-update” feature; I’m pretty sure Chuck has flashed on information that was later than his latest update!

      • Merve says:

        If you’re talking about the soda machine in “American Hero,” I thought that that was another instance of the Intersect’s puzzle-solving ability that was introduced in “Dream Job.” Also, there was an acknowledgement that the intel was out of date in “Honeymooners” when Chuck incorrectly identified Juan Diego Arnaldo as a threat.

        But some of the flashes were a bit of stretch, I’ll give you that. Why was Chuck able to flash on Shaw’s penthouse? And why did the Intersect contain info about antidote in the vase?

      • JC says:

        Didn’t Chuck flash on the CIA safe in Shaw’s apartment, not the building itself?

      • Merve says:

        He flashed on the penthouse and the safe when Sarah said “Hoth Building,” if I recall correctly.

      • Merve says:

        @herder: Didn’t Stephen specifically say that the intel was old but still good?
        Actually, a cool plotline for season 4 would be for Chuck to gather intelligence and design his own Intersect updates.

  5. JC says:

    Couple observations

    Why take away Chuck’s first deliberate kill? Why do they want to keep him pure? Chuck killing Shaw to save Sarah was the perfect setup and it was taken away. I’m curious about that.

    The kiddie Intersect and reboot. Are we going to get any explanations about that? Did Chuck have an Intersect for 20 years or did Papa B remove it? If he didn’t are the implications that Chuck won’t need a governor after a certain amount of time? Is there still more to Chuck than we know?

    Why did Mary leave? I got the vibe it happened after Chuck got the Intersect as a kid. Did she disappear to protect him in particular.

    Does Ellie have the same abilities as Chuck?

    • joe says:

      Good questions, JC. As for Chuck’s innocence (yeah – that’s a code), it seems they have to/want to preserve that even more than Sarah’s innocence (yeah, that’s code, too). Perhaps it’s just to allow the audience to continue putting themselves in his shoes. I think there’s a little more to it, though.

      If you consider that this might have been the finale if the season ended with 13 episodes (and not the Paris episode), then it makes a bit more sense to have Chuck not kill Shaw yet. I even imagine that in some incarnation, in some alternate universe, Paris and Shaw’s actual death follows sometime in season 4. That would play pretty well to me, and allow Chuck to prove to Sarah that he was still “her Chuck”, which seems to be the biggest theme of the original 13.

      I’m not sure if we’ll see more about the Alpha (kiddie) Intersect – I’m not sure the story needs it. But it could play into MEBs history. I’ll bet that there may not be more to Chuck than we know yet, but there may be more to Ellie!

      I’m certain that we’re going to find out next why Mary Elizabeth left. That’ll be the next big arc.

      • JC says:

        I can understand the notion that TPTB want the viewer to put themselves in Chuck’s shoes. But the act of killing to protect someone we love is something people could relate to. Its not a position anyone wants to be but we all could see ourselves doing it.

        Shaw’s resurrection makes the climax of those first thirteen less powerful. In fact the whole show loses dramatic weight when even death can be waved away.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        JC – I always thought so too. It somewhat “cheapens” what should have been an important moment is Chuck **coughgrowthcough**.

      • atcdave says:

        We know Chuck was willing and able to kill to protect Sarah. But it does seem odd that now he’s back to no kills. My guess is back to thinking he’ll never kill, which is fine, just seems odd the way it came about.

      • Merve says:

        I don’t know if you read Sepinwall’s interview with Fedak. They touch briefly on the issue of Chuck killing. Fedak basically said that if Chuck kills in the future, it will be a big deal, but nobody is going to worry that Chuck changed because of it. He also said that Chuck will kill only if forced to do so.

        This leads me to believe that Chuck will have a legitimate kill at some point in the future, maybe to protect someone he loves, like Ellie or Casey, or maybe to save a group of innocent civilians. For now, it’s enough for me that he’s willing to kill if necessary.

      • JC says:

        I read that interview. But I question how big of a deal will it be for the audience. If he kills down the line, it’ll be something I saw before.

        And even if he kills again who’s to say they won’t take away either.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Oh, and in that interview, for those of you looking for an apology or an indication TPTB now “get it” I think this is about as close as you’ll get:

        Chris Fedak: For us, we get that it’s a lot of fun when Chuck, Sarah and Casey and now Morgan are going on missions and together and having fun. That’s the heart of the show. Our instinct isn’t ever to do an arc where it’s an entire season where two people are separated.

      • atcdave says:

        Given how often people return from the dead on this show its hard to know if any death is a big deal!

        But I mostly agree with Merve, the most important thing is we’ve found Chuck’s limits. He won’t kill to follow orders, but he will to protect a loved one. There is a law enforcement axiom that deadly force is justified only to protect your life or the life of another, I imagine Chuck will find a similar rule to live by.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah Ernie, he’s made a few comments like that since the season ended. That’s part of why I’m more optimistic for S4. I wish he was able to make a more specific apology for bungling S3, but I believe that’s as close as we’re likely to see, at least while the show is still a going concern.
        Its a little hard to read between the lines, but it seems he’s addressed my most major concerns.

      • herder says:

        The thing that I find interesting is that it is the science fiction guy offering justifications and near-apologies yet the drama guy (JS) has been silent. That and the romance girl has left the show.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        One further thing that I think is interesting is that it’s been Fedak out there giving most of the interviews solo. If I recall Schwartz has another project in the works, so perhaps it’s perfectly natural. I always sort of suspected that Fedak being an unknown only managed to sell Chuck with Schwartz the wunderkind on board, and that they probably planned for Fedak to take more control at some point once he’d established himself.

        Edit: Herder, quit reading my mind and subtext! 😉

    • Ernie Davis says:

      A few interesting tidbits. I don’t think we can totally assume everything was in the same timeframe, but regarding the flashbacks.

      Chuck breaks MEB’s bracelet resulting in an Ellie fight where Stephen, apparently presciently tells Ellie she’ll need to “be there” for Chuck. MEB leaves a few days later. Did Stephen know she was leaving and was that the reason he made Ellie promise to look after Chuck? Because he knew the kids would have to learn to take care of themselves quickly?

      Chuck was obviously the same age when he got the kiddie intersect. Was that perhaps the percipitating event to MEB’s departure?

  6. Ernie Davis says:

    Today is such a marvelous day. We have are first awesome S4 spoiler from Twitter:

    JoshSchwartz76: Yes it’s true. Dolph Lundgren to try and “break” Chuck Bartowski in Season 4 premiere.

    • herder says:

      Ivan Drago from Rocky IV, another 80’s character shows up on Chuck.

    • JC says:

      Be still my child of the 80’s heart.

      We better get Chuck flashing on boxing.

    • herder says:

      Ausiello is saying that Harry Dean Stanton (Big Love, Pretty in Pink) will be in the episode too.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Is it too much to hope for a Repo-Man reference as opposed to Pretty in Pink?

      • JC says:

        Maybe an Alien or another Red Dawn one.

      • herder says:

        Ok, first fun question of the season, Harry Dean Stanton plays whose father? Casey, Morgan, Mama B or Shaw? He specializes in the creepy dad roles.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I checked “The Oracle of Bacon” and the best I could do for Harry Dean Stanton and Dolph Lundgren was 2. Same with the rest of the main cast.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        “Harry Dean Stanton plays whose father? … He specializes in the creepy dad roles.”

        Herder!! You are a genius. Jeff’s dad! Can you say Band on the Run! He was made for the role. Or the role for him. Either way. Probably too good to be true, but I’ll enjoy the thought for a while.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        I’m going with Chuck’s crazy uncle Leonard. Come on now, every family has a crazy uncle.

      • joe says:

        Hey, Joseph! I resemble that remark!

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        Joe (with lots of respect and a whole lotta fun) I think everyone here considers you their lovable crazy uncle Leonard. 🙂

      • JC says:

        I’m thinking Harry Dean Stanton is going to play someone who claims to know the whereabouts of Mama B.

        He’ll give him the information in exchange for Chuck doing some sort of job for him. This probably puts him in direct conflict with Dolph Lundgren.

    • joe says:

      Exciting! What he hits, he destroys!

  7. OldDarth says:

    I Come In Peace!

  8. amyabn says:

    I liked that Chuck stood up to his dad for family-particularly Sarah, with his whole speech. I guess that is what surprised me with his complete acceptance of Ellie’s demand to quit. I’d like there to be some sort of conflict where Chuck is forced to pick between Sarah and Ellie, and Ellie has to realize that he will pick Sarah. Chuck has found purpose and his fathers request to him nests with that purpose-he needs to be a spy. If the danger has truly increased with the death of Stephen, then I can’t see Chuck staying out of the spy game for long.

  9. Robert H says:

    Some final thoughts on Season 3 and some very brief thoughts on Season 4.

    As I think most people would agree Season 3 was horrible to say the least. In essence the producers
    betrayed the fans who saved the show. The show’s
    ratings went into a long spiral downward after the
    the first episode and never really recovered. The 7th episode which featured the separation and breakup was the final straw and dealbreaker that essentially severed the links between the show and
    its fan base. The proof was in the pudding the following morning with the furious reaction of negative,bitter, howling protests of e-mails that were so bad the producers had to give an emergency
    interview to try to diffuse the raging effects of a
    powderkeg they were sitting on (the first six episodes) that finally imploded and then exploded into a million pieces. The show never recovered.
    The so called “mindblowing” season finale was as much of a disaster as the the season premiere which
    people waited around eight months to see, generated
    a 1.9 rating if my memory serves me right. As a parting gift of stupidity and arrogance the TPTB
    managed to infuriate what small core of viewers they
    had left. How did they accomplish this?

    They made Chuck look weak and ineffective. (Something that was true all season. The details needn’t be reviewed again.)

    Sarah was relegated to the sidelines. ( As she was
    most of the season.)

    Ellie was turned into a nagging, complaining, controlling shrew who completely dominated her husband and brother making them both look weak and
    pathetic. She also kept her own share of secrets so
    her compaints of being kept out of the loop made her
    look like a complete hypocrite even though her husband and brother didn’t have the guts to tell her that.

    Papa Bartowski ( a very popular character ) was
    apparently killed off. Another brillant move by the
    producers.

    The Buymore, the show’s meeting place and reference
    point, for the main and fill in characters which
    constituted a great deal of the show’s charm (or what was left of it) was destroyed.

    Team B was destroyed by Chuck’s cave in to his sisters “demands”. No consultation was made with Sarah who supposedly is a part of his life now. Of
    course Chuck’s lies continue. But now he lies to everyone (including Sarah) on demand or convenience.
    Remember the guy who was so upset about lying in seasons one and two? What a progression! Maybe this
    is what the producers meant about his journey from
    boy to man in season three? Really? The progression
    went emotionally backward not forward but who really
    cares at this point anyway?

    Anna Wu, Jeff and Lester, and Big Mike, another great source of the show’s charm appear to be gone
    too. More “brilliant” moves by the powers that be.
    Another great way to lose viewers, impressive-most
    impressive.

    And of course the coup de grace, the most stupid
    move of all, Shaw was brought back,completely cancelling out the emotional impact of episdodes 12
    and 13 and stretching even the imaginary license of
    a televison show to absurd lengths.

    I fully realize that all shows evolve and changes will occur. But the audience has to be brought along
    when this happens and weaned very carefully. TPTB
    did not do this. Instead they dragged the viewers
    kicking and screaming down a road they did not want
    to go on and had made repeatedly clear they had no desire to travel. Their arrogance was just unbelieveable and the viewers reaction was reflected
    in the ratings. In short, prior to season 3, the show was not broken, so they decided to fix it, much
    to the consternation and disappointment of the fans
    who saved it. Under the circumstances it was absolutely amazing the show got renewed at all. If
    NBC had not been in such bad shape it probably would
    have been cancelled. The fact that several writers
    and assosiate producers left the show before the
    renewal announcement indicates the strong possibility they thought the show was going to be
    cancelled, too. The Comsat merger will probably be
    approved this year and you can be sure some NBC
    executives will be probably be replaced and a fresh look will be taken at the show this coming year.

    And what of Season 4? Heard that Dolph Lungren (from The Rocky movies of the 80’s) will be in the
    first episode. Another Brandon Routh? Huh? Or perhaps they have a new absurdity in mind for season 4. Maybe they can find new and original ways
    to anger what few viewers they have left. I seriously doubt whether TPTB have learned the lesson. After all the show got renewed, right? That
    means they were correct about season 3, right? Yeah
    right. Well nothing to do now except wait and see but I’m not going to waiting with any great anticipation. I’ll hope for the best but prepare for the worst ( and the worst quite frankly is what
    I’ll be expecting ). I just don’t trust these guys
    anymore. Sorry for the long post, thanks.

    • atcdave says:

      Robert, you know I agree with many of your points, but in the end I think there’s a lot of room for optimism. I think TPTB did learn some lessons about their viewers and I expect to be mostly pleased with S4. We’ve spent a lot of time here the last few days hashing over our discontent with S3, there really are a lot of reasons to be unhappy with it. But I honestly think it ended better than it started (not back to S2 standards, but much better than 3.01 – 3.12) and I expect to enjoy S4.
      There is still room for concern about what may lie ahead, and I’m sure we’ll spend a lot of time agonizing over those details as they emerge.

  10. Robert H says:

    By the way I forgot to mention Gen. Beckman in the list of characters who may be gone from the show as
    well. She replaced the original “Beckman” who was in the pilot episode. I didn’t much like her at first but she grew on me as time went on and will
    be greatly missed if she doe not come back. I sincerely hope she will be back for the 4th season.

    As far as “Mama Bartowski” goes it certainly does appear she will be in the 4th season. Without “Papa”
    being around anymore I’m not really interested in
    whatever story lines they come up or who plays her.

    If fact I would like to see something about Sarah’s
    mother and if she has any siblings we don’t know about. Is Carina really her sister? Might be fun to
    see her father brought back again. Would be fun to see Carina again too.

    Morgan and Casey might be fun to watch if Morgan gets involved with Alex who apparently is coming back for season four. Morgan and Casey were two of the very few bright spots of season 3. Casey was the
    rock of consistency and Morgan grew in a postive way
    that was good to watch. Poor Casey. First he had to
    put up with Chuck and Sarah falling in love and now
    he has to deal with Morgan and his daughter. The very idea of Morgan as a suitor for his daughter’s
    affections would probably just terrify Casey. This
    might be fun to watch (if TPTB don’t screw it up).

    Well that’s about it, thanks.

  11. BDaddyDL says:

    Ausiello just put out some scoop on season 4.
    http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/07/14/ask-ausiello-spoilers-office-bones-supernatural/

    Ed: Thanks for the tip, BDaddy! I put it up on the s4 spoiler page. – joe

  12. hiswings says:

    While I appreciate that everybody is entitled to their POV, and there were many things about S3 that I was disappointed in, such as the continual angst between Shaw and Sarah and Chuck and episodes that really had no sense of purpose other than to move the story arc a little further down the road. However, this season for me allowed Chuck to become a much more dimensional character other than the silly “girlish screams” whenever a “baddie” appeared. We see Chuck develop into a well equipped “special agent” who can defend his family, friends and loved ones and who is not afraid to take on a whole convention center of spies to bring down the Ring, even with the emotional and physical handicaps to the Intersect.

    No I did not like the Shaw character, but he did push Chuck beyond his limits and allowed Chuck to stretch his spy wings and learn to fly. He allowed Chuck to learn confidence, not only in his ability to save the day but also to realize his emotional dreams for his relationship with Sarah. Yes, he complicated it in so many ways and whether we agree to like it/love it/or hate it, he developed a worthy opponent. Something that I noticed after watching 3.4 when Shaw makes his first on screen appearance is that the music that introduces him is “the Ring” music. This is the first time we hear that familiar keyboard strain, so we should have known from the very first moment that Shaw was not going down a righteous path. Yet, TPTB confused us for several episodes into thinking he was a good guy.

    As far as my hopes and thoughts on S4, well, in my opinion, Chuck has the Engineering mind of Papa B and Ellie has the Scientific mind of Mama B. Now where do we go from 3.18 and 3.19? Was Mama B Stephen’s “handler” – no I don’t tend to think so. I kind of like the idea that MEB and Sarah may have crossed paths earlier. Will Chuck continue the lying? Probably, but I don’t think to the extent that he had been. The thought I had about him actually quitting the “spy business” as he promised Ellie – well then, why did he look over at Sarah in the living room when Ellie asks him if he really quit? We never saw him talk to Beckman about quitting – could this just be another “lie?” I think so.

    I do tend to agree that the Buymore was becoming an albatross around the show’s neck. Yes, I loved the Jeff, Lester and Big Mike characters, but I think with a more limited appearance next season, S4 will be able to be much more flexible. However, there were always double and triple parallels throughout the show – perhaps those threads will become more Casey/Morgan/Alex and Ellie/Awesome complications.

    I know many have said that the real draw to the show is the Chuck/Sarah romance – well I’m as romantic as the next gal, but I also enjoy the suspense, action and kick-butt scenes. Developing Sarah, Alex and Ellie characters will allow the romantic thread to continue, but not too much. Watching Casey and Morgan bicker over Alex will provide plenty of laughter. The true draw for this show is that you don’t find too many other programs that have this combination of comedy, romance, drama, suspense and action – the key is to keep it balanced – enough of all of it in each episode.

    How will they handle S4? Will they improve the ratings well enough to get to S5? I certainly hope so. I would much rather watch shows like Chuck than another reality show like Survivor or Two and a Half Men. And believe me, I love watching the chemistry between Adam Baldwin, Zac Levi, Yvonne Strahovski, and Joshua Gomez!!

    I could probably go on and on, but I’d merely be rambling. I love Chuck and pray that Fedak/Schwartz continue to produce a worthwhile program.

  13. Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

    Since different people are expressing there views on the past season and the one that is forthcoming season (and it seems like a cathartic exercise), I’ll give it a blast.

    I’ll start by saying that I’m a lightweight shipper. The WT/WT of the previous seasons never bothered me as much as some because of the chemistry between the two lead characters. I wasn’t in a panic to get them romantically together but saw no harm in it. However, for my enjoyment of the show, Chuck and Sarah’s relationship had to be functioning on some level. So when those immortal words (“emotional and traumatic”) were uttered at Comic-Con, I said “OK, showrunners it’s going to be an uphill battle to convince that this is good”, but I hadn’t been let down yet. Then the other famous lines of “potential love interest” and “love trapezoid” came out, and I thought, “the uphill battle just got steeper”. But again there had been 35 episodes of “fun” prior to it so, being a devoted Chuck fan defended the PLI’s and the relationship reset.

    Then I watched Pink Slip, and the episode was dark, which I didn’t mind, but it was also “mean” (it’s the best way I can describe it). Then the train station scene played, and they lost me. Something didn’t ring true to what I’d seen in previous seasons, and I was lost for the next 11 episodes. It wasn’t difficult to follow what Chuck was up to. But I truly never got Sarah’s journey. Sarah hooking up with Shaw just reinforced the fact that I had no clue what was going on, and that left me wanting until episode 3.13. Again I was left confused when Sarah finally smiled (for the first time) after Casey told her he killed Perry. Some people say that Sarah had made her mind up in Castle, but as with most of the previous episodes, I didn’t see it. So I was lost in a depressing and suicidal (figure of speech) storyline for 2/3 of the season, what fun.

    I quick note about Shaw. Shaw was OK in the first 2 episodes. But after Mask he was truly useless as far as Chuck spy development. Chuck basically did it on his own. The Shaw character, somehow, truly did suck the life out of show. I do think my not understanding Sarah has a lot to do with Shaw.

    3.13 was a good episode, but in my opinion, not an adequate pay-off for the journey that was the previous 12. There should have been a build-up to either Sarah choosing Chuck or the DYLM moment. That being said I cannot disagree that the characters are in a better place. Again, the character growth aspect to get them BOTH there, I will likely never understand.

    The back six episodes, saved the season for me. Hasn’t redeemed it, since I still think there is “something” missing that was there in S1 and S2, but at least brought the “fun to watch” factor back to the show. Even serious episodes like 3.18 & 3.19 were fun to watch.

    My hope for S4 is guarded, I saw the Dolph Lungren announcement and went “Ho-Hum”, Stone Cold Steve Austin again. IMO, the salesman of the show have a lot of work to do in order to get the fans excited to level that they were prior to S3.

    The Harry Dean Stanton announcement pirked me up a little since he will obviously play a character type we have yet to see. I want to see different things.

    My wish list for S4 is simple:
    1. The relationships, all of them, need to be functioning. This doesn’t mean there can’t be issues, but these characters need to stick together.
    2. Most importantly, the “fun to watch” factor has to be there.

    Sorry for the length.

    • herder says:

      I’ll agree with almost all of this, I felt that the first two episodes, especially Pink Slip were mean spirited at their core, which was a suprise for this show. I was OK until the end of Natcho Sampler which was a return to mean spirited. The rest of the Shaw arc lost me and poisoned what could have been some good episodes, especially Tic-Tac and American Hero.

      Ultimately there wasn’t a big enough pay off to justify the “emotional and traumatic” event at the beginning of the year, it wasn’t “great”. The let down from that increased the apprehension of the Shaw arc and it’s presentation justified the apprehension. Again the payoff didn’t justify the down parts, unanswered were questions like, why did she go with Shaw, why was Chuck preferable to Shaw, when was there this realization that the path with Shaw wasn’t the right one.

      Finally while I did see Chuck’s journey I didn’t see Sarah’s, that seems a pretty big hole in the story. That said the back six did put me in a good place again and I am looking forward to season 4.

    • atcdave says:

      My feelings are mostly similar to both Joseph and Herder. I was pretty irate about Pink Slip, but I thought Three Words fixed most of the damage. I thoroughly enjoyed Angel of Death and Operation Awesome. Then it all tanked. I loathed the next four episodes. I actually don’t consider myself a hardcore ‘shipper, because I actually want the show to be ABOUT the action, humor and spy stories. But I simply can’t enjoy anything else when the central relationship is malfunctioning. So I was POed from the moment Chuck started making eyes at Hannah. I thought Beard and Tic Tac were OK; fun episodes by themselves but they didn’t fix what I was POed about. Final Exam was insultingly bad (dark, no fun at all, and made Sarah look like a hypocrite and moron), and American Hero was OK only because things were back on track by the end.
      I agree Other Guy was a good episode but inadequate for the terrible season we’d just been subjected to; but then nothing could really make up for the front arc, I think its mostly best forgotten. The final six finally got the show to where it should have been all along. My mantra for a long time has been “they finished where they should have started.” I initially meant about Other Guy. But more and more I think 3.01 should have been a lot like Honeymooners. Had they started the season with a fluffy fun episode, and kept Chuck and Sarah together as a couple and team all season, I think the dramatic viewership loss could have been avoided. And I know I’d be more optimistic about all things Chuck.

    • JC says:

      I understand the worry about S4. My expectations have been lowered greatly.

      My concerns are if they can craft a well thought out spy story and create an actual threatening villain. Was S3’s arc just an aberration or did they truly consider the Ring and spy story good? If they did and that’s what S4 will be like, I probably won’t stick around.

      Will it be one long arc or will we get three shorter ones that tie together and lead up to finale. Hopefully they go with shorter ones since they don’t seem to have any regard for continuity or canon on the show.

      If they get extra episodes will they change the story of the first thirteen or will the extra episodes be a separate arc?

      I’m all for guest stars but not at the expense of the main cast being in an episode. The show has one the best on TV, Subway and Ring Pt2 showcased this. Don’t waste the talents of Strahovski, Lancaster and McPartlin for another season.

      Finally no cliff hangers, the show has gotten two reprieves from cancellation. I want an actual ending to the show.

      • atcdave says:

        I agree about the shorter arcs. The guest stars announced so far do little for me either way, which is fine, maybe it means they won’t be blowing the budget on big name duds this year. Although it would be nice if we had an attention grabber for MEB.

      • JC says:

        I don’t mind one or two episode guest stars any longer and they steal screen time from characters I want to see. I love Dolph Lundgren but I don’t want him around for five episodes. The two exceptions for S4 are Alex and MEB.

        I agree about a big name for MEB, I’m hoping for Rene Russo myself.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah JC, you can guess my opinion about guest stars scewing up the cast dynamics, not that that’s ever been done (!).

  14. herder says:

    Chucktv, via NBC is reporting that season four debuts September 20th, so that means only 67 days to wait.

    • atcdave says:

      That’s a week earlier than I was expecting, so good news!

    • BDaddyDL says:

      I have to admit, at this point, I have 1 Christmas wish, I WANT A CHRISTMAS EPISODE. With the season starting SEPT 20th then it looks like i might get it.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Well if this season is about family I’d also hope we get that, in addition to an Anniversary, Chuck’s birthday, (and the day after when Chuck and Sarah first met, but that may be the anniversary), “mother’s day” (especially appropriate since MEB will be the big arc this season) and Thanksgiving. If we’re lucky maybe even Valentines Day again.

      • atcdave says:

        Always my favorite time of year anyway (big football fan you know!), but this year will be great. Hopefully they’ll do some fun for all the holidays; I’ve always been a big fan of the Bartowski family gatherings that we had too few of last season. This year, between a better time of year for the show, and a better situation for Chuck and Sarah, those holiday episodes should be especially satisfying.

  15. Robert H says:

    atcdave: really appreciate your comments and observations. You seem to be really well informed so
    could you or anybody please answer the following questions if possible. Joe if you or Ernie know or if you can find out please advise.

    What are the chances of getting a back nine episode
    request from 13 to 22 for Season 4?

    Have the budget cuts which so hurt the show in Season 3 been restored or will be restored for Season 4?

    Thanks.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I’d say it’s too soon to tell given they haven’t even started filming the first episode. 😉

      In all seriousness, and this is just speculation, I think it depends on everything from Chuck’s fall ratings to how well some of NBC’s other shows do. If the new shows start to tank, and from what I read NBC bought a LOT of marginal new shows to fill in the schedule, a show like Chuck with an established audience probably has a decent chance. But it really is too soon to even hazard a guess. I’m sure the professional critics and handicappers will be weighing in by mid-October. Maybe sooner if they get to see some of the new NBC shows before we do.

    • joe says:

      Sorry, Robert. I’ve been trying to pay attention to all the Chuck news that I could find, but there’s really been very little. My gut feeling is that because the merger between NBC-U and Comcast has been getting some federal scrutiny, many decisions have been put on hold.

      It’s pure speculation, but I also have a feeling that chances for an additional 9 episodes are pretty good. The network isn’t going to be in a mood to take risks or make massive changes in their direction for a while (which translates to them being prone to sticking with what they know, rather than taking a flyer on something new).

      I’m hoping that “Schwadak” gets asked something like this at Comic-Con.

    • jason says:

      robert, I am not on the board here, but I have a part answer / part ? to your ?, are there any NBC shows on monday that will beat chuck, if Chuck beats the other two shows as it did last season, I think Chuck has a pretty good chance.

    • atcdave says:

      I believe I’ve seen it written that they need to make a decision before early November to avoid a break in production, so September/October rating will be very important. The last two seasons they ordered quickly because they liked what they were seeing so much.
      I haven’t seen any mentions of budget this year, which makes me think no changes. That isn’t exactly good news, but maybe they will deal with what they’ve got better this year than they did last.

  16. Robert H says:

    amyabn: Didn’t mean to leave you out of the loop. If you can also help with my above questions, great.

    Thanks.

    • amyabn says:

      RobertH,
      no problem! I don’t know anything more than my compatriots. I usually keep an eye on the tvbythenumbers web site to see how Chuck and other shows are doing.
      I am actually contemplating a post on some ways to promote the show (let’s get some good word of mouth type stuff) so we can start strong. The problem is that despite all the fans do, if TPTB don’t give us a better season (than S3), we could find ourselves on the bubble again. I’m tired of being in that position! I’ll keep everyone posted if I hear anything!

  17. Robert H says:

    Thanks to all of you for answering. Really appreciate it. I thought it was kind of early also but I was just curious considering season 3.

    Thanks again to all. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  18. Crumby says:

    I line I loved was Ellie asking Chuck about Morgan: “Should we take him with us?”

    They’re all really family!

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