Speculation Post: Chuck vs. the Coup d’Etat

Our description:  “Chuck AND Sarah HAVE A COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN AS AWESOME IS REUNITED WITH SOMEONE FROM HIS BRIEF SPY PAST – ARMAND ASSANTE RETURNS AS GENERALISSIMO GOYA – TIA TEXADA AND MEKENNA MELVIN ALSO GUEST STAR – Chuck (Zachary Levi) and Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) work on becoming better communicators as they join Awesome (Ryan McPartlin) and Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) for a getaway to Costa Gravas. There, the gang is reunited with Generalissimo Goya (guest star Armand Assante) who finds himself in a dangerous situation once again. Back at home, Morgan (Joshua Gomez) embarks on a forbidden romance that may put him at odds with Colonel John Casey (Adam Baldwin). Mark Christopher Lawrence and Bonita Friedericy also star.”

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103 Responses to Speculation Post: Chuck vs. the Coup d’Etat

  1. weaselone says:

    That certainly is an awesome statue…

  2. alladinsgenie4u says:

    The huge deal made out of the cliffhanger from the previous episode will be resolved by Chuck and Sarah both making excuses about some work to do and running off. And it will take a trip to Costa Gravas with the Awesomes for both of them to realize that they are indeed ready for marriage. Any Ellie/Sarah convo that sort of pushes Sarah in the right direction would be awesome.

    I am hoping to see a C/S dance scene in this episode. Let’s hope TPTB deliver one this front.

    • herder says:

      Ditto.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        Well – I just typed out a rather lengthy post explaining why I don’t think the Chuck and Sarah dynamic will be quickly resolved… which I have deleted.
        [ You can thank me later]
        Let me just say I think we’ll have 3 steps forward [ Ep 1,2,3…] 2 steps back.
        I’ll keep the rest to myself for now.
        – Into every life, a little rain must fall…. and so far S4 has been pretty sunny… just say’n.
        This isn’t meant to be doom and gloom –
        cuz in the end – it will all be worthwhile. REALLY worthwhile.
        Nuff said

      • joe says:

        I’ll have about 327 changes in my opinion about the “2 steps back” part before Monday, Gringo. Just remind me about this afterwards, so we can discuss how it came out!

      • thinkling says:

        Make it a foursome!

    • joe says:

      I find myself odd drawn to the idea of a C&S dance. It’s been too long.

      Ladies, let me tell you a not-so-secret secret. Boys don’t dance. They don’t move that way, they don’t like it they are awkward at it, and they know it. But there’s an image we all have of a man who dances socially. He’s often older (read: mature), self-confident, and has an air of gentle humor about him. He smiles. He makes a woman (of almost any age) look and feel good. Young men have a hard time seeing him as a threat and adversary, but he is. Think Jack Burton.

      Chuck is not that guy, but he’s starting to mature into someone who encompasses those traits. Chuck and Sarah dancing is a visual sign that he’s maturing and that she knows it. I’m guessing Ellie will see it too.

      • Paul says:

        Actually, I have found that women love a man who can dance. And I mean real dancing, not the wiggle/booty shake that passes for dancing nowadays.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        Joe, part of my assessment has nothing to do with either Chuck or Sarah… but rather we are only at Episode 4 of 13…
        And through our agonizing dissection – what other issue[s] would there be for Chuck or Sarah to resolve?
        No more Love triangles![ Praise the Lord]
        Not really much more character exploration or discovery of who they are now… [ but maybe there’ll be more history to uncover someday]
        I think the show has set all the pieces in place – now we just get to see how the interactions play out.
        Also – they tend to have a preference for overlapping threads and themes – which makes for wonderful rewatching and speculation –
        So I don’t think their issues will be resolved because there is more story to tell! [ so its all for good reasons : )]

      • joe says:

        Oh, absofreakinlutely, Paul. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

        What I was trying to get out in my fashion was that the kind of thing I’m looking for in the next C&S dance is a further display of Chuck’s growth and maturity. Boys don’t come by it naturally, but it’s there in the man.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        The way a man dances can tell a lot about other things…no not that! 😛 but other things lol.

    • amyabn says:

      I really liked that in the promo, Ellie specifically goes to Sarah regarding if it is safe in Costa Gravas. In the way it is asked, it is coming from a respectful place and is a nod to Sarah’s opinion’s worth. I hope that makes sense. The way I’m taking the question, it puts to rest some of my perceived misconceptions about their relationship.

      As for the dance, it is so funny that so many keyed in on this because it was on my mind on my morning commute (hey-it beats getting upset about traffic!). Anyway, they are over due! I thought the tradition was an epic (yeah, I used that word) dance in the 3rd episode of each season (I’m at work so I can’t look back on my iTunes).
      I hope Ellie and Awesome get to see the dance (I think Ellie was tied up with Generalissimo getting handsy the last time). This episode is the perfect opportunity to cement the relationship as partners-both personal and professional.

      I am hoping for a real proposal in this episode. Chuck gets over his initial reaction (with help from Morgan) and Sarah realizes it is what she wants. It would be nice if they proposed to the other at the same time. All four feet in.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I’m on board both with the dance and the real proposal. Since I’m pretty sure that this will be the episode Ellie comes to terms with a Chuck who is all grown up I think there will be two aspects to that. Both the dance and an engagement play into the second. First Ellie will find out by seeing Chuck in action that he’s a spy and good at it, and she was holding him back. Since that will probably involve Sarah it also plays into the second. Ellie will see Chuck and Sarah as a fully realized couple, starting their own family in a sense, allowing her to concentrate on her new one while welcoming new members into her old one. Remember “You and Chuck are the only family I need”? I think that gets a slight modification in Costa Gravas.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        If there’s no dance scene in the episode (the horror) – I confess, I will be a tad disappointed. But then again if there’s a scene involving a shirtless Chuck (for the ladies) and a bikini clad Sarah (for the gents) frolicking on a beach in Costa Gravas then it will more than make up for the lack of the dance. Just sayin’

      • atcdave says:

        It does look like Ellie at least trusts Sarah as an authority on international issues; I would love to see more of that, Ellie understanding Sarah is an intelligence professional. Of course when the revolution strikes she may reconsider! I REALLY want to see Chuck and Sarah prove themselves to Ellie; both professionally and personally. That’s probably my main expectation for this episode.
        Now of course my main hope is a real proposal. It would let the relationship story move to the back burner for a while as the “mom” story takes center stage. That, and I really want to see MEB’s reaction when she discovers she has a CIA agent for a soon to be daughter-in-law.

      • joe says:

        Question: Will there be a general sense of disappointment if there is no proposal this coming episode?

      • atcdave says:

        Maybe a little Joe, but I’m confident they will get there this season, so its not a huge issue. Certainly nothing like the frustration I was feeling last season.

      • PeterOinNJ says:

        No Joe, no general sense of disappointment if there is no proposal this coming episode. With the progress the characters are making, how could I possibly be disappointed? Remember when we used to complain that these two never talk? Remember when Sarah’s fury was spent on Chuck and not Casey or Heather? Remember when Chuck was so incredibly insecure that he would have “moped about it the rest of the week? I do. They are doing what people in good relationships do – they are talking. As long as they keep that up, I’m “all good”.
        And besides, I keep having this nagging thought that the gender reversal TPTB referred to in the Chuck/Sarah dynamic might come into play. maybe it’s just me, but I’m thinking Chuck might not be the one asking.

      • herder says:

        No general sense of disappment at all, I’m enjoying the current situation and while an engagement will add to things , it’s absence won’t detract from the story.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        Amy, while I don’t think the relationship tension (or perceived tension on my part) between Ellie and Sarah won’t be resolved in this episode fully I think we’ll get a little bit of interaction at least.

        I felt strongly during Cubic Z how unnatural it was Sarah talking with Casey as opposed to Ellie about her relationship woes. Granted Casey has the background to have lived through something similar as Sarah has but it still in some ways felt unnatural to me. Among the reasons I’m pushing so hard for a relationship between the two of them is exactly that.

        It’s funny I’m reading people say that they didn’t like the episode because a lot of the things that were hashed in Cubic Z could have been much better dealt with with Carina in the mix. And I have to say apart from my views about Heather Chandler’s teasing “Jenny-Sarah” and the parallel they went for, I can’t disagree.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        Joe, I’m of mind of taking relationship milestones for all it’s worth. So no, I won’t be upset.

        I’m happy waiting until sweeps month 😉 Kidding. I’m happy waiting period. I like where they are and I like where they’re going…that’s enough for me, for now.

      • thinkling says:

        Do I dare hope for a dance, a fight, and an engagement in one episode? Sure I do, this is Chuck.

        It is seriously time for Ellie to see Chuck and Sarah together as spies and a couple. The dance and a good fight scene would be the surface of it, but it would also be great for Ellie to see what lies beneath the surface as well. The love and intimacy that inspires the dance. Their complementary skills and finely-tuned partnership that makes them good spies. And it would be nice for her to realize their unique role in the spy world and the magnitude of their unsung heroism.

        Progress in the Sarah / Ellie relationship is also high on my wish list.

        That’s all. I don’t ask for much 😉

        Will I be disappointed if there’s no engagement. A little … just b/c they’ve put it out there already. Like I said, it’s hard to put silly-string back in the can.

      • amyabn says:

        @CN8, I didn’t have a problem with Sarah and Casey’s sharing at all. I think we’ve seen the develop from the pilot (from wanting to shoot the other) to fighting in Helicopter, to the revelation in Truth (I think) that Casey thinks of Sarah as his partner, to his reveal to Agent Forrest that she is the best partner he’s ever had.

        Casey isn’t going to spill to Chuck or Morgan, so who does that leave? And let’s face it, he doesn’t exactly gush here. And Sarah-I’ve interpreted a “chilliness” in her and Ellies relationship since the end of S3. With the time lapses they’ve included and Chuck being out of the spy game (for a while), I just take it as a natural progression of their relationship. I loved Sarah goading Casey about missing Chuck. Just my take 🙂

        I really would like to see Carina return. I would love for her to wisecrack-“I told you Sarah wanted you” or something to that effect. Carina would blow into town for the engagement party, bachelorette party, or wedding (or all of the above).

        I keep having this thought that Chuck gets kidnapped, Ellie is blaming MEB, and Sarah goes into Lioness mode and goes off and rescues him. Or Sarah and MEB rescue him. Two badass women hauling Chuck into the CIA hospital facility. Sorry, I’m rambling this morning!

      • thinkling says:

        I pretty much agree with you on all of that, Amy. It’s kind of fun and somewhat of a relief to see Sarah and Casey’s relationship settling into a new comfortable normal. (This can’t help being extended to Chuck by proxy.) They both really need a confidant who is all spy like they are.

        I love the return of Carina idea, especially since she was really a friend to Sarah (and Chuck, too, in a round-about sort of way) in Three Words.

        And the idea of two lionesses (the mother and fiancée — ahem) to the rescue is a favorite scenario of mine. I would sort of like to see Sarah and MEB bond before Chuck ever enters the picture. MEB has more in common with Sarah than anyone else in Clan Bartowski. Granted there are many differences (some of which we will no doubt discover — fun!), but they’re both serious spies and would do anything to protect Chuck.

        As for Sarah/Ellie, I want to see it develop, but it’s not there, yet. I think it was easy for Sarah to befriend Ellie in the fake realm, but in the real relationship, she’s a little out of her depth. But I think it will come. Maybe something to be explored more in the back 9. Anyway Yvonne commented on this very topic in an interview, which you can read here:

        http://chucktv.net/2010/10/04/yvonne-strahovski-on-chucksarah-project-runway-robert-de-niro/

      • atcdave says:

        I think Carina needs to return whenever they get to a wedding episode, if nothing else just so she can spend an hour telling Sarah “I told you so!”

      • thinkling says:

        She can actually tell them both “I told you so.” 🙂

      • Anonymous says:

        Just think of the mind games Carina could play with Casey and Morgan.

      • amyabn says:

        @anonymous, she could shoot barbs at Casey regarding Alex-“isn’t she a little young for you Casey?” until she finds out she is his daughter. Through in another line about switching up the rotation of his boxers, and then move on to make Morgan squirm. She has seen the Star Wars sheets after all!

      • joe says:

        Ooohhhh this is getting long!

        Thinkling, way up there you said “I would sort of like to see Sarah and MEB bond before Chuck ever enters the picture. MEB has more in common with Sarah than anyone else in Clan Bartowski.”

        Methinks their similarity is precisely why they won’t bond BEFORE Chuck makes his appearance with both. It’s opposites that attract. They’re so alike they’ll repel each other.

        I could easily see them almost coming to blows and getting immediately distracted for the express purpose of saving Chuck from some horrible fate (or from Ellie, whichever comes first). (Kidding. KIDDING!)

      • thinkling says:

        Interesting point, Joe. I can see it going either way. Your way is more interesting. Then when they had to unite to rescue Chuck, I think it would cement their relationship. Wouldn’t it be fun to watch Chuck’s reaction to that? And Ellie’s … hmm, maybe not so much.

  3. herder says:

    I also think that we may find the first person that scares Casey, namely Alex his daughter. Casey can’t grunt,growl and scowl to get his way, he will have to win her over, something he is not overly equiped to do. I had hoped that he would be in Costa Gravas too and have had a history with Mrs Generalissimo, but the Alex story sounds good too.

    I think that something happens to break Chuck and Sarah’s moment with the ring and they both pull back from the precipice. The communication problem is the ackwardness after the near engagement, the working on it is both of them testing the waters to see how interested the other really is.

    I’m for any kind of extended Bartowski family scenes, so the four of them on a holiday is great. Any real communication between any two of the four is always very good on screen and I’ looking forward to it, particularly Ellie with Sarah and/or Chuck.

    • Paul says:

      My guess is Chuck makes a half-joking proposal and Sarah laughs it off like it’s a joke…but in reality Chuck was also half-serious. Which is why he has teh hurt puppy-dog face when he talks to Morgan.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        I found it quite telling that Sarah’s major concern in 4×03 was about having babies and not marriage.

        If you freeze the promo frame by frame – the look on both Chuck and Sarah’s faces as they are turning away from each other is quite a contrast – Chuck’s face looks a bit wistful, while Sarah has an amused look on her face. That could fit in very well with your theory.

      • joe says:

        I haven’t been able to examine each frame like that, Genie, but I *thought* that’s what I was seeing. Wasn’t sure, though.

        I certainly has me interested!

      • Paul says:

        I saw that. Combined with the fact C/S just agreed to take it slow, I don’t see Chuck forcing the issue. Particularly when it is obvious to all that it was not Chuck’s ring.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        Alladins has had the added benefit of chuckaholics over at the boards. Here you go Joe. They may not have the articulate schnooks of this blog but they’re cool too 😀 Uh oh, did I just put myself between 2 loves? This is what I get for mind cheating 😉

      • joe says:

        Pictures!

        The purple one! Definitely, THE PURPLE ONE! [blush]

        Thank you so much, Faith!

      • patty says:

        What I would really like to see is Chuck and Sarah in a seriously bad situation and SARAH decides she can’t die without proposing to Chuck. Certainly would be a good role reversal PLUS a call back to their first kiss. 🙂

      • atcdave says:

        I do love the idea of Sarah proposing, that would be an excellent use of the role reversal, and it would make up for much of her behavior last season. It would even make sense she’s now terrified Chuck into taking everything very SLOW.

        But I don’t believe there’s any chance they’ll do it that way. I think Sarah will ALWAYS be the hesitant/passive one in relationship issues. I think it will remain a superficial role reversal.

      • amyabn says:

        @patty, I just want some of that passion of the first kiss back. Split these two apart-one gets kidnapped or something, and put ’em back together. Sparks fly!

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @amy – totally agree with you on the passion. We need to see some raw passion come through and if it’s a dangerous situation that brings it out – all the more better, because it would be awesome. On that note, doesn’t anyone think that we are due a passionate scene or two?

        As for the idea of Mama B and Sarah teaming up to save Chuck – how about this scenario. Something grave happens to Chuck leading to his disappearance/kidnapping . Mama B is in custody and is unwilling to talk much. Enter lioness mode Sarah who teaches a thing or two to Mama B about love and to what lengths she(Sarah) is willing to go to save Chuck’s life.

    • Michael says:

      OK, so the big guy is scared of a little girl. But, she did kick his *ss! ::grin:: I understand that she is supposed to become part of the recurring cast, but what about her mother? We never hear of Kathleen McHugh again after “C v the Tic Tac”.

      Add to the list of growing Casey women, Ilsa Trinchina. She pulls off a “Casablanca” in “C v Undercover Lover”, never to be seen again? Come on, that’s just not right! How about a little romp with Carina Miller. I could stand seeing her again! ( And if anyone tells the wife, I will deny it ).

      And I would be very interested to see their reaction to the C/S drama. At least it isn’t a knife fight any more. 🙂

  4. OldDarth says:

    Wondering how much of Firefly’s Jaynestown episode this will ape. Will Awesome get a song too….

  5. amyabn says:

    Well Chuck fans, I wasn’t sure where to post this since i’m linking to tvbythenumbers, but this article is interesting:
    http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/10/05/nbc-undercovers-slips-between-chuck-and-the-cancellation-bear/66851

    I enjoy discussing and following the ratings, so I hope this is good news for Chuck and a back 9 (I’m being optimistic!).

    • joe says:

      From “Jack” at 8:27

      CHUCK and THE EVENT will get back orders. CHASE and OUTLAW are out. UNDERCOVERS is an enormous disappointment and PARENTHOOD is a worry. Expecting moves.

      (And I see our friend Rac2873 agrees!) Wow – such positive-definiteness in that statement. I can be pretty wishy-washy myself, but I have a hard time seeing it turn out any other way. Add in that Outsourced seems to have been ill-conceived from the get-go, and this actually seems good for Chuck (if bad for NBC).

      I thought Chase was okay, if not spectacular, and probably in the wrong time-slot. And is it true about Parenthood? I thought last season that it was going to be worth watching, but honestly, it bored me almost immediately.

      I’m a little worried about The Event, mostly because I think that, to some extent, it’s fate is tied to Chuck. That only goes so far, though.

      • Big Kev says:

        I read in that TVBTN thread that only 25,000 families have Neilsen boxes? Is that true? One of the biggest industries in the US collects it’s most important data from a sample size equivalent to 0.008 per cent of the population? And using outdated technology? Wow. Boggles my mind.

      • atcdave says:

        That number has always been controversial, it is very small. But I know statisticians claim its enough. I think the issue now is that revenue streams have become so complicated with multiple sources of downloads, and product placement, and disc sales. I know Chuck scores VERY well for fan involvement, which always gives it the benifit of the doubt on ratings.

  6. JC says:

    I really hope we get a scene between Ellie and Goya’s wife especially if the Generalissimo still has a thing for Ellie.

    And we’re due for a Chuck and Sarah tag team fight by now. It’d be a great way to show Ellie how great C/S are as spies together.

    Bonus points for an Ellie bikini scene.

    • joe says:

      My old heart can take only so many bikinis, JC! 😉

      • JC says:

        An Ellie bikini scene is like the Bills winning a game. Savor the rare occurrence.

      • joe says:

        Awwwww – hit me where I live, will ya! 😉

      • atcdave says:

        Beard did have at least one truly spectacular moment.

      • Mike says:

        I doubt we’ll get an Ellie bikini scene. Remember, she’s supposed to be 3-4 months pregnant at this point. I think at most, you’ll get a modest one piece with fake baby bump. As a matter of fact, I fully expect to see Sarah trying on bikini’s as seen in the preview, but she’ll think of Ellie and scale back to something more modest in solidarity. Pregancy hormones can play with your self confidence- Ellie probably doesn’t want to be compared to her brother’s hot girlfriend in the skimpy bikini when she’s getting larger by the day. Sarah may see that and adjust accordingly. Thus the girls bond a little more.

        And Chuck mopes for the rest of the week… 🙂

      • Xenaclone says:

        Casey in a bikini [GGG]?

      • joe says:

        Casey??? In a bikini???

        GaaaahhhH! My eyes! MY EYES!!!!

        😉

      • herder says:

        Definitely not a mental image you want pinging around the inside of your head.

  7. Paul says:

    To heck with Chuck/Sarah/Ellie/Awesome! I’m jonsing for Casey/Alex/Morgan!

    • atcdave says:

      I do expect that to be a very fun story Paul. Its a good thing Morgan has no common sense, otherwise he’d be a little intimidated about dating the Colonel’s daughter.

    • herder says:

      Ah, but I think that whole dynamic will be controled by Alex. Morgan is pretty much powerless around women and what little backbone he has won’t be exercised on Alex. This is becauses while Casey won’t be able to stand up to Alex he will take terrible vengance on Morgan if he makes daddy’s little girl unhappy. It should be very funny.

  8. Paul says:

    One thing I’ve found interesting: the timeline. Eps 1 spanned presumbably 6 months. Eps 2-4 only a couple of days (from the dialogue, 2 and 3 were consecutive days).

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      I think they’re trying to make up for time as to not upset thanksgiving and holidays. With what I’ve heard the thanksgiving episode this year is the best they’ve ever had. Don’t want anything to upset that!

  9. Robert H says:

    Off topic a little but I hope someone can provide an
    answer. Tried to look at Episode 3 from Monday
    Chuck vs the Cubic Z or whatever. Cannot download
    from NBC.com or stream. Anybody else having same problem? tried last night and again today. Nothing.
    Nbc logo appears on screen then stays black. Any ideas here?

    Can episodes be watched on some ther site for free
    besides NBC? Please advise-anybody? thanks.

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      You can try Hulu…they get some revenue out of people watching from Hulu but not as much as NBC.com.

      I get that same problem every once in awhile at NBC.com, just clear your cache/cookies or if you have media booster : clear media cache.

      • BdaddyDL says:

        sorry not a Chuck question, but what is media booster. My nerd side needs to know.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        lol. When I first started watching at NBC.com after the HD conversion…I had to install something called media booster. Which caches the videos into my computer in a far effective way than my browser would.

        Media Booster is a small application that accelerates the streaming and downloading of high quality media such as High-def videos”

  10. Robert H says:

    Thanks ChuckNewbie8. Appreciate it.

  11. joe says:

    Sorry for the OT news here, but the cancellation bear has taken it’s first bite.

    TV By The Numbers is reporting that they’ve shut down production of the NBC show Outlaws.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      Interesting Joe. Mo Ryan picked it as one of her worst new shows.

      Toward the end of last season I dug into the situation at NBC with filling the schedule. They ordered 19 pilots and picked up I think 12 new shows (a few are mid-season replacements I believe). The general buzz I recall was that they went pretty deep on the bench to get those 12, so we can expect a few cancelations. Now the good news.

      I posted an item on the observation post yesterday, an interesting article about ratings and cancellation and why it sometimes happens so quick. The article is here. To summarize sales of ad time are made with contingencies for making certain ratings or compensating with extra ad time from the time the network reserves to sell closer to air time at a higher price. When a highly anticipated show with expectations for good ratings starts to tank, it quickly starts to cost the network money by eating up that revenue stream. This is good news for Chuck I think. Based on last season’s ratings Chuck is likely meeting or exceeding it’s ratings as sold to advertisers and thus not costing NBC money. Undercovers, Chase and The Event likely are or soon will be, probably moving Chuck a few more slots away from cancellation and a few closer to a backorder.

      The word, once again, is Schadenfreude. (Pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.) Jeff Zucher may have nearly killed NBC according to a lot of critics, but he seems to have saved Chuck.

      • Rick Holy says:

        and God BLESS him for doing it! (saving Chuck, I mean. NOT “nearly killing” NBC!). 😉

      • Rick Holy says:

        In regard to NBC as a whole. Since I don’t watch EVERY program that comes on, I decided to give three new programs a shot. CHUCK was my “lock.” I knew there’d be ONE show that I watched. So what else to try? I decided on two NBC shows (Undercovers and The Event) and one CBS show (Hawaii 5-0).

        I’m already through with The Event. I had such high hopes, looking for a replacement for my “LOST” fix, but the show just isn’t that good. Then Undercovers. Again, high hopes. I think the two leads are (obviously) very appealing and have great potential – but truthfully the show isn’t that good. Chuck and Burn Notice have far better “spy related storylines” than does Undercovers. I’m still watching it, but barely.

        Lastly, Hawaii 5-0 (on CBS). That I’m actually enjoying. I don’t usually watch alot of “cop” shows, but this one has been good so far because the characters – their backgrounds, their relationships, their “issues,” etc. – are interesting. Ultimately I think most people watch shows (scripted shows) because they become invested in the characters (and thus the story). That’s where I think NBC is failing – at least if the two new shows that I tried this year are any indication.

      • joe says:

        What’s that aphorism, Fr. Rick? …the recipe for making an omelet? 😉

      • joe says:

        I have to admit, Ernie. Outlaws was completely off my radar. Was it even promoted?

        If Chuck‘s ratings hold (and I believe they will), I may come to say that not promoting it was actually a smart move. Reduces costs at exactly the right moment.

        Of course, we’ve been doing their promotion for them…

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Joe, I agree that not costing NBC anything is Chuck’s best bet at survival, but a little promotion, outside what we not-normal fans do would be nice. Like someone said, one or two spots of Sarah trying on bikinis during football should be worth a point or so. 😉

        But I think the phenomenon of tanking shows and Chuck costing nearly nothing also explains why Chuck isn’t being promoted. They’re too busy bailing out Chase, Undercovers, and The Event and don’t have ad time to spare!

        As for Outlaw I watched most of the NBC fall preview thing on line and it looked like the cliche ridden star vehicle without a purpose that it apparently turned out to be. I’ve basically added no new shows to my viewing. I still DVR TBBT, and since it interferes with Community now that’s been relegated to OnDemand like Covert Affairs and Burn Notice. I watched about 10 minutes of Stuff My Dad Says before giving up on that, had no interest in The Event or Chase, and I was boycotting Undercovers. I’m told that giving Fringe another try might be worthwhile, but other than that I am basically down to watching and DVR-ing Chuck and catching TBBT on the DVR when it’s convenient.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        Wouldn’t it be amazing if NBC started to redirect some of its budget from shows that are sagging – back into Production and promotion for Chuck?
        I wonder how good it could get…
        Sarah and Ellie actually on a beach – rather than the back lot at WB…
        Maybe a car chase? Better Spy gagets?
        Monaco?????
        Whew – I better stop dreaming….

      • Michael says:

        Naive question here.

        Let’s say that the worst happens. Would it be impossible for it to pop up on USA alongside Psych? That is supposed to be a very successful show, but it has between 3 & 4 million viewers. On the other hand, our show gets between 5 & 6 million. Or does a move to a cable network usually knock off x% or so? If so, how much?

        BTW, Chase was awful, in every way, shape and form. Undercovers, OTOH, shows real promise. I won’t get into details as this isn’t their forum.

      • herder says:

        Interesting thing, I was trying to watch the begining of Undercovers last night when I noticed that one of the co-executive producers was Phil Klemmer who used to have the same job last year on Chuck. I’m wondering how many of the writers last year jumped ship and how many were pushed.

      • atcdave says:

        There certainly are options if Chuck gets canceled by NBC, but I don’t really know how good those options are. The show is currently own by WB so presumably the CW would get first shot at it if NBC passes. Of course USA and SciFi are owned by NBC, so maybe they could move it to a cable channel under a slightly modified agreement; I’m not sure exactly how that would work. Cable channels aren’t in every home, so there would certainly be some loss of viewership. And cable shows typically cost far less to make so there might be a budget cut too. But then Chuck has already had its budget cut way back, so who knows, it might be a great fit for cable right now.

        Bottom line is, there are other options, but Chuck is best off on NBC as long as it can stay there.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah Herder, I’ve wondered about that too. I could easily imagine there being some conflict in the writers room with the S3 debacle. We will likely never really know, and of course all parties currently deny it. So I guess the official line is just that they all left for better opportunities.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I read somewhere that Chuck is operating under a budget in which even Cable shows would scoff at. So in theory moving it to a cable network wouldn’t do Chuck any better than being on a major network already is.

        Unfortunately I don’t have a definitive link or numbers because I don’t remember where I read it. But considering this:

        Alan says: I asked the producer on a scripted drama on a successful basic cable network, and who has experience in network TV. He said, “Our budget is $1.6 (million) to $1.8 (million) per episode. And we shoot in seven days. A network show shoots at least eight days and typically has a budget of close to $3 million. So it is very significant. You have to do more with less.”

        Remember that in one of the Yvonne interviews she says they’re doing 12-18 hour days because they do 6 day shoots on what would be 7 (or 8 read up there) days shoots:
        Did you notice a difference in the budget? Like less bagels at craft services?
        No, but we noticed it with the schedule. We were originally shooting an episode in eight days and now we shoot them in seven days. The days are really long, that’s the biggest battle for me everyday, the hours. Most anyone who does a one hour show will tell you that. It really is tough, I can’t deny it. It’s like anywhere from 12 to 18 hour days. We sometimes see the sunrise.

        So in conclusion Chuck is doing fantastic to get the numbers it gets, on a network that it has, without the promotion it deserves and the budget that is pathetic.

        And if that’s not enough there’s the 2 hindrances to the bear: Undercovers and Outlaw.

      • joe says:

        Heh! I think that’s down to one. I’m pretty sure The Bear is about to chomp on Outlaws.

      • amyabn says:

        I think that is why I’m particularly excited about our Chucktoberfest idea. If we can get more sponsors to help with the budget, maybe that would help with a more reasonable shooting schedule. As silly as it may sound, I’m more worried about the actors, the crew, and their well being than their paychecks. I work some crazy hours myself but you can really see it take its toll from last season towards the end.

        Am I naive? Maybe. I just like the idea that we’ve done what we could to help.

      • atcdave says:

        So if I follow all that correctly Faith, it sounds like Chuck is in about the same position as a cable show? or is it still on a higher budget? It sounds like the shooting schedule is about the same or maybe slightly less.

        I believe Outlaw has already been cancelled and Undercovers is below Chuck on ratings. Chase is close and has continued to slip.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        If I’m not mistaken they’ve halted production on Outlaw but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve actually canceled it. The only show thus far that has been canceled is Lonestar.

        The other thing I’m greatly in fear of (aside from the bear) is being moved to Fridays (where outlaw is). During “Ed”‘s season 4 (the year when Ed and Carol actually became a couple) it was moved to Fridays which subsequently led to its downfall.

        Dave, awhile back I posted a translated spoiler around these parts. If I’m not mistaken the budget that was mentioned in that very, very roughly translated article was 1.25 million so actually we’re lower than cable networks. That doesn’t necessarily mean there isn’t a +/- with that, but just that it’s below 3 million for sure. We know that (under 3 million for sure) definitively because Chuck shoots 7 days like a cable network.

        P.S. Amy, based on your job, I think naive is as far removed from what I see you being. But optimistic is perhaps more apt 😉 (I don’t actually mean that to sound harsh or judgemental, I hope you get my point). Never say die. That’s the thing with Chuck, it brings out the optimism and hope.

        And for the record I think Octoberfest is a great idea. We have rewardtv but it’s not sponsor directive so much as nielsen (GRR) descriptive.

      • atcdave says:

        That’s what I hoped you meant Faith. That means cable is a viable option if the show needs to be shopped around. 1.25 is really cheap.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        lol, actually what I meant (originally, 1st post) was that with the budget and the numbers it gets there would be no purpose to putting it in a cable network. Where it is is like the best of both worlds as least as far as NBC is concerned. Cheap to produce like a cable network, with numbers that are (for the most part), big network numbers.

      • atcdave says:

        well, except that its ratings are tepid for network fair, but they would be quite good on cable.

        Of course its always best to “not rock the boat,” as long as NBC is interested it should stay where it is.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        Some very encouraging although probably not altogether decisive for Chuck (P.S. I know of at least one show from NBC that was saved on DVR numbers alone: Lipstick Jungle).

        http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/10/11/chuck-premiere-week-dvr-numbers/67521

        “Chuck had a Live+SD rating with adults 18-49 of 2.0 for its premiere on September 20, and a full week’s worth of DVR viewing pushed it up to a 2.6”

        From 5.812 million to 7.045.

      • herder says:

        Faith, I think those numbers are relevant only in that it shows that the potential audience is greater than the actual audience and that there is the potential to change some of those viewers from watching the show on DVR to watching the show live. Let’s get those who watch House or HIMYM and record Chuck to start watching Chuck and record those shows instead.

  12. amyabn says:

    Random thought, but as we get closer to meeting MEB, I was wondering who they would cast as Volkoff. I have two hopes: either Arnold Schwarzenegger or Ron Perlman. I know Arnie is busy being governor and Ron has Sons of Anarchy, but either one would be an excellent choice and Linda Hamilton has starred with both of them (Terminator, Beauty and the Beast). Both are physically imposing.

    • atcdave says:

      I’d been assuming that was Timothy Dalton. Do we know something different now?

      • Paul says:

        It is Timothy Dalton…But some folks have a hard time believing because the image of Volkoff they created in their head (dashing James Bond type) is not jiving with the how Volkoff is really going to be.

    • amyabn says:

      I don’t know if it is supposed to be Dalton or not. I got the feeling that he was going to be on as another whacky friend of MEB and SJB (like Perseus was). It seemed rather obvious to me if he is in fact Volkoff.

      I just thought it would be cool to have the throwback to Arnie or Ron. To quote SGT Schultz, “I know nothing!”

  13. Xenaclone says:

    My speculation:-

    Casey said he’d spent 2 weeks hiding in the wall of the Generalissimo’s HQ. The Generalissimo confirmed this later in a throw away remark.

    We also know that Volkoff and the ‘frost bitch’ were behind installing the nuclear equipment in the basement.

    My Question/speculation; Has Casey met/encountered Mama Bartowski in the past without realising it? [If they were both in disguise/under pseudonyms, it’s certainly possible….]

    Do I get a prize if I’m right? [GG]

    • thinkling says:

      No, at least not in Costa Gravas (and probably not anywhere). MEB doesn’t do installations. The Generalissimo said he never met her b/c Volkoff kept her tucked away back home.

      Sure, Joe and I wager Costa Graven pesos. If you’re right you win a bunch of them. :))

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