Speculation Post: Chuck vs. The Couch Lock

And What IS A Couch Lock, Anyway?

What we know so far:

Chuck Couch Look (Thanks to Chuck TV!)

The short version:

Chuck must decide what he is willing to sacrifice to find his mother; Morgan reveals a potentially dangerous secret to Casey.

…And the long:

CHUCK’S LATEST MISSION PROVIDES A LINK TO CASEY’S PAST — AND POSSIBLY TO CHUCK’S MOM — ERIC ROBERTS, JOEL DAVID MOORE , DAVE BATISTA AND MEKENNA MELVIN GUEST STAR — When Colonel Casey’s (Adam Baldwin) former team returns looking for him, Chuck (Zachary Levi) must decide what he’s willing to sacrifice in order to find his mom. Elsewhere, Morgan (Joshua Gomez) works up the nerve to reveal a potentially dangerous secret to Casey. Yvonne Strahovski, Sarah Lancaster, Ryan McPartlin, Bonita Friedericy, Vik Sahay and Scott Krinsky also star.

What can it all mean?


We know that, ominously, Aisle of Terror and First Fight are coming up soon with the reappearance of Mary Elizabeth Bartowski looming large in Chuck and Ellie’s life. More importantly, just after Sarah’s found her feet after experiencing the emotional earthquakes of S3, MEB is entering Sarah’s life like major aftershock and tsunami. This episode might be the beginning of a mini-arc, one that shows us how Chuck & Sarah’s growing bonds are tested. It might be an arc where the team is broken up and scattered, at least, temporarily. But, then what is it that Chuck is “willing to sacrifice” when we know he won’t sacrifice Sarah, his team or his vocation?

Is it, his mother?

Don’t forget now that in the promo clip, Chuck says “I’m beginning to think that my mother might be one of the bad guys!” And what potentially dangerous secret could Morgan possibly know? That, I’d wager, is his growing relationship with Alex. And that, my friends, is dangerous only to him! :O

– joe

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  2. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Here are my two cents:

    The episode may start with a flashback – Casey on a mission with his colleagues- does Casey turn them over to the authorities for their betrayal/treason? That may explain why they are back in town- looking to settle old scores.

    Chuck flashes on them linking them to Frost and Volkoff. Team Bartowski stages an elaborate scam where they pronounce Casey dead to entrap the rogue team. But what exactly must Chuck sacrifice to learn more about his mom? His principles? Continue to keep the CIA in dark – setting up ramifications for the future? Risking Casey’s life to trap his former colleagues? Or the careers of both Casey and Sarah – if the mission is not sanctioned by the CIA?

    One thing is for sure – from the promo we know that Chuck seriously begins to doubt his mother’s allegiance.

    Morgan’s secret – “Casey,I am dating your daughter”. *cue in the sight of Casey strangling Morgan*

    Personally speaking, I am enjoying the fact that the first four episodes have ended with C/S in some sort of conversation/intimacy. Hope the trend continues.

    • patty says:

      Actually I got the impression from the promo that they fake Casey’s death to try to draw out these guys. Of course they love to confuse you in the promo.

      • Paul says:

        And Morgan takes advantage of a “dead” Casey to spill that he’s dating Alex.

        BTW is Mekenna in this eps? I didn’t see her name on the guest star list.

      • joe says:

        NBC’s synopsis says MeKenna is indeed in this episode, Paul.

      • patty says:

        I sure hope that they plan to let her know it is a trick and Casey is fine.

      • Paul says:

        I seriously doubt that Alex would even know that Casey was “dead”. It was a part of a mission, and from the looks of it a trap set up to catch Casey’s old team. Having Alex show up at the funeral would seriously endanger her life as well as let her fully in on what her dad does.

    • herder says:

      Perhaps the next three or four episodes are all linked together, Couch Lock Chuck decides what he is willing to sacrifice to find his mother-perhaps it is his job as a CIA agent. Aisle of terror he gets his mother but is reassigned away from Sarah. First Fight, Sarah feels the cost he is paying is too steep, Chuck feels it is worth it. Fear of Death, the cost is too high, Sarah is right and one has to rescue the other in order to clear up the mess Chuck has made.

      • Paul says:

        What could he sacrifice? Well beyond Sarah (which I HIGHLY doubt he would do) would be his job, his principles, other people who would get in the way, his own life….

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Maybe the bad guys in 4×05 demand that Chuck hand over his vintage collection of comics (assuming that he has one and the bad guys know about it) if he wants to know more about Mama B. Now that would be a huge sacrifice for Chuck. Or it could be as simple as them demanding Chuck hand over his favorite sandwich that he happens to be eating at that time.

      • Paul says:

        But what kind of sandwhich is it? And are they on a deserted island?

      • joe says:

        No no, Genie! It’s Morgan who has the vintage comics (values at over $500, unless he sold that on e-bay along with the Millennium Falcon…). Chuck’s got a vintage vinal record collection, though! 😉

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @joe- thanks for the reminder. So, mystery solved. I will go further and hypothesize that it will be Joel David Moore’s character who demands the vinyl collection in exchange for giving up info regarding Mama B.

  3. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    I think that 4.05 is when this season really gets started! 1 – 4 were just laying the foundations/ setting the pieces in place – Now the story gets interesting! Not really sure where this ride might bring us – but looking forward to the fun.

    • atcdave says:

      I think some of that foundation was really important though; they’ve built a real strength for Chuck and Sarah that will now be tested.

      But yeah, I think we’re about to get to the meat of the adventure.

    • joe says:

      I’m getting that same vibe, Gringo. Chuck getting his clue-brick from Goya about MEB is the start of the action. I believe his words were “She’s some kind of ‘kept woman'”.

      Intriguing.

      • thinkling says:

        What else would the Generalissimo think a woman was for, Joe?

      • Paul says:

        But Heather also said she thought Frost “had to be there”. So it seems that even though Frost may be teh boss of some bad folks, it may not be totally voluntary. And I agree, I think the first 4 eps were merely the opening act, and that the real story begins next week.

      • joe says:

        You have a good point there, Thinkling!

        I have to admit Ellie’s reaction to his machismo always makes me laugh. Spies like John Casey and Justin don’t seem to bother her, but Goya leaves her flustered!

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah, I think the Generalissimo is jumping to pre-conditioned conclusions. I’ll be seriously shocked if MEB turns out to be genuinely bad — or a *happily* kept woman. I think she is embroiled in the evil world of Volkoff, but not really part of it. She didn’t survive by being June Cleaver. She has to *be* Frosty the Snow B*. She’s been living the lie for a very long time, though. It has to have messed with her head and maybe even her heart. And somewhere it will tie back into family and the intersect.

        And Joe, as to Ellie’s reaction to Goya, who can blame her. If he were just machista, that would be laughable, but he’s machista and handsy. Imagine if he had put his hands on Sarah. He would have ended up like that poor Russian in Undercover Lover … if Chuck didn’t have an uncontrollable flash first.

      • thinkling says:

        ** Ah, that last part, about the tie in, is one of my online wagers. How many suitcases of CG pesos are we betting, Joe?

  4. OldDarth says:

    4.01 laid out the season arc.

    4.02 – 4.04: is blatant proof that the TPTB are listening to the fans. They have shown as much as possible, without giving away all the goods, that Chuck and Sarah are a committed couple.

    Will it be enough to keep the level of anguish in check as they ratchet up the tension and drama? Sure hope so but given the restrictive checklist some fans mandate – ie the one note keep it light tone one as an example – rather doubt it.

    Hope those that do want it light have enjoyed the season to date and will not get too stressed out about what is to come.

    For those like myself, that believe variety is the spice of life, am eagerly anticipating something more substantial now and am ready for the next stage of the season.

    • joe says:

      The (overwhelming) positive reaction to Coup D’Etat makes me think that the fans are convinced they’re solid now, OD.

      If there was a “margin of error” that was used up in S3.0, it’s probably much more substantial now. Not quite back to what it was at the end of S2, perhaps, but it’s a decent margin for most everyone I suspect.

    • JC says:

      I still don’t believe it was the tone of the last part of S3 that caused the uproar. It was the arc relied on character stupidity to ratchet up the drama. If they take the same approach again, expect the same reactions.

    • atcdave says:

      I think we’ve seen a lot of comments here today that indicate many viewers are not in a very trusting mood. Many actually expect to be disappointed or POed. Between interviews and what I’ve seen of the show, I’m ready for something meatier and I’m ready to trust a little. But I do like sweet endings and I won’t be enthused if things get too dark for very long again.

    • Paul says:

      I think that the first 4 were so light and shippery as to reassure the fans that once the drama hit in full force, that C/S are really in love and that we should trust in their relationship….thus staving off Chuckopolypse II.

      • Anonymous says:

        I think the problem in S3 was that they had Sarah behaving out of character. I think that the fans can take some angst if the scenario is believable in terms of character (obviously the “facts” have always been far fetched)

      • joe says:

        Looks like Dave’s POV is closer to the truth than mine! (yeah, like that’s hard to do! 😉 ).

        I think the consensus is that it just wasn’t reasonable to believe Sarah would drop Chuck for Shaw. That sparked the Chuckapolypse. Sarah and Chuck having severe difficulties over MamaB (should that actually come to pass) is, so far, much more credible.

        Dave’s right, too, in that the show is so much better with Chuck & Sarah on-screen together it’s just foolish to keep them apart for very long for almost any reason. So far this season it seems TPTB realize that too! We’re on a roll!

        So now I think the drama can kick in without threatening to undermine the characters. We can have tension, and the Chuck & Sarah we know can survive it if they continue the way they have.

        How’s that?

      • atcdave says:

        Hmmm, Okay “Anonymous”, I mostly agree. But part of that character involves Sarah loving Chuck. To me the main loss of S3 was Chuck and Sarah’s loss of faith in each other; that certainly seemed out of character from what we saw before (and after for that matter). I can live with quite a bit of challenge and difficulty for Chuck and Sarah as long they still believe in each other.

      • atcdave says:

        Great response Joe, you should listen to me more often!

        Really I think it will be a good thing to see Chuck and Sarah weather a storm together. But I mean both parts of that; we need to see a credible challenge that wants to destroy their happiness, and we need to see them face it down and defeat it together.

      • BdaddyDL says:

        I know of at least one fan that has seen some of the spoilery stuff that he would stop watching the show if S/C breaks up this season.

        We have agreed to disagree with this, but his point is that he would really struggle to believe that the couple you see in 4.1 through 4.4 would not break up.

        Personally I have some faith in the writers. Besides, I cant believe that NBC would have a should they get married game on their web sight, and it not happening.

      • atcdave says:

        Sorry bdaddy I’m confused, are you saying you HAVE seen spoilery stuff and you’re OK with what they’re doing because S/C are not breaking up??? I know I’m a bad one for this, but could you try again with smaller sentences?

        I agree about the “marriage game” at NBC.com. I’m not sure of the timeline, but I am sure the network knows its coming; I would think fairly soon (um, at least an engagement).

      • BdaddyDL says:

        Sorry Dave, my buddy has scene spoilery stuff from other sites. He has not seen it personally, and what he has read scares him.

        I have to admit, with my new job I finally got to listen to cnn podcast (great job again guys) and I will make him listen to it, because even I feel better now.

        Two things that worry me still though, is the line I will always Love you. Nothing will change that. I wonder if they’ll test that a bit. I also hope they don’t use Sarah saying she WOULD say yes, as opposed to a real yes.

      • Paul says:

        Of course they are going to test that a bit!

      • thinkling says:

        OK, I’ll toss in my 2 CG pesos worth.

        I think they’ve done a good job setting up the season, and a big part of s4 is Chuck and Sarah together (b/c TPTB say they will be together all season, and I say for the rest of the series be it 1 or 5 more yrs).

        If they are going to test that relationship (and what kind of show or relationship would it be if C/S had no enemies and were never tested?), a) they have to establish what it is that will be tested, and b) they have to show us that the relationship is strong enough to overcome the tests.

        I’m super-happy with the way they’ve done that. They have established a relationship that is honest (no more secrets, no more lies), intimate (you’re my home, Chuck), progressing (though, taking it slow), loving (I love you, Chuck), and committed (nothing’s going to change that … my answer would be yes).

        The spy/mom story was well established in 4×1 and picked up more information in 2-4. I think we have a better idea of who and what Volkoff is than we did of the Ring, even after the entire 3rd season.

        Now Chuck and Sarah are poised and ready for their next challenge, most of which should come from the spy/mom story. Some of it, from time to time, may be a relationship thing (First Fight?). Even that could spring from their spy life.

        I really hope the show turns to Chuck & Sarah against the world (I’m with you 100% on that, Dave). There is plenty of challenge for them as a spy-couple in that scenario, and it would be immensely more satisfying to watch than a relationship constantly struggling with internal issues.

      • atcdave says:

        Okay, I get it now bdaddy. I hope we don’t get too much of Chuck or Sarah doing jerky things to each other, but I don’t think that will be a big problem. At least not for long, I think Chuck will be challenged with prioritizing the whole mom/Sarah/Ellie thing. As I’ve said elsewhere, I really don’t expect more than one episode end where the priority issue is really in doubt; and even that may be more misunderstanding than actual stupidity.

        I also hope Sarah’s “…I would marry you..” isn’t meant to hold us over for the whole season, but I kind of have a bad feeling about it now. I think they’ve decided that’s as far as its going to go before the main story gets underway. I think that was a bad choice, but nothing to rival the epic stupidity of S3! I am confident they’ll tell a good story this year.

    • Merve says:

      I’d be quite a bit more harsh than that. 4.01 laid out the season’s arc. 4.02 – 4.04 pretty much ignored 4.01 and instead wasted a heck of a lot of time. Hopefully, things get ratcheted up in the coming weeks.

      But…um, don’t mind me. I’m mainly just cranky that we haven’t had a single explosion yet. I need gratuitous combustion, folks! 😀

  5. OldDarth says:

    BTW Couch Lock is a stoner term for being so out of it that one is unable to get up from the couch.

    Figure that Casey, or someone, is so drugged up they can’t escape.

    • joe says:

      Heh! That explains it! Thanks.

    • Waverly says:

      That’s possible, but since there hasn’t been much in the way of drug culture in “Chuck”, I think it’s more likely that it refers to being unable or unwilling to get up off the couch due to excessive gaming.

      Yet another possibility: did Chuck exhibit couch lock in 3.01?

      • Paul says:

        Well, from the preview, isn’t Casey drugged (saw them jab a needle and syringe into his leg) so he can feign death?

      • Merve says:

        @Waverly: There hasn’t been much drug culture on Chuck, but remember – “the loading dock is like a Five for Fighting concert.” 😀

  6. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    So Chuck Bartowski – a practially living embodiment of a minimalist [ accomplishments and possessions]
    must figure out what he’s willing to sacrifice to find his mother.
    Checklist: job??? Car??? Money??? fame???? yeeks – the list of what Chuck actually has [that he if lost would be regarded as a sacrifice] gets shorter and shorter….
    hmmmm – Sarah? Would TPTB actually venture into that dark corner? Would Chuck actually give up the woman that he loves, that he’s given up everything for? – that he’s made life altering decisions to be with?… – to find his mother – the woman that abandonded him when he was young – and has made no attempt to keep in contact? hmmmm – this seems to get very interesting….

    • atcdave says:

      They better not go there. He already said in Anniversary he would not sacrifice her.

      But it may have something to do with career or reputation.

      • weaselone says:

        Chuck had indicated he was unwilling to sacrifice Sarah, Casey, or Morgan in the context of the sacrifice being their lives. He might be willing to sacrifice or at least jeopardize his life, or perhaps his relationships with them in order to find his mother.

        I’m going to go with spy career and Sarah’s displeasure as Chuck’s sacrifices.

  7. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    Last year the choice was between Sarah or being a spy… and he found that he could have it all… or at least have both. Wonder if the choice this season will end up being win – win as well?

  8. Merve says:

    Courtesy of Urban Dictionary: [url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=couch+lock]the definition of “couch lock.”[/url] However, I doubt that any actual illicit drugs will be involved.

    Sorry Merve, this got caught in the spam filter. – Ernie

  9. aardvark7734 says:

    So, I waited for half a day for kauthor to post this elsewhere, but he didn’t. I’m passing it on for those of you here who might be, you know, a little interested in it. Here’s his post (from the Google Group):

    I just came back from a lecture at which Jeff Zucker was lecturing, and I asked him directly, Will Chuck get a back Nine order? He said Yes! Straight from the CEO Mouth!

    Corroborating photo here:

    http://tinyurl.com/25p7n74

    Yes, a back nine. I don’t want to say too much more, but I did make an effort to corroborate this. And here I am posting it. Read into that what you will.

    Still unofficial, so don’t burn all of your adrenaline just yet!

    • atcdave says:

      Wasn’t Jeff Zucker just fired by NBC or Comcast? Regardless, it still counts as an encouraging rumor! I really hope we hear something official soon.

      • aardvark7734 says:

        Zucker is still there until the day that Comcast takes control, which apparently cannot be any earlier than 1Q 2011 due to regulatory hurdles.

        He is, of course, a lame duck. Maybe from that vantage point sowing a little chaos with impromptu announcements is just par for the course! 🙂

    • Paul says:

      Well to be fair, a lot of the rumors also stated that TPTB were happy with the season after screening the first couple eps and were willing to give a back order based on that, but still wanted to wait to see how the numbers looked.

    • joe says:

      Uh, wow, Aardie! This is something like amazing news.

      I’ll admit that I know nothing and have not been paying too much attention to spoilers concerning possible extensions, but let me say this.

      Someone – anyone – in Zucker’s position knows better than to say something like this (and use those kinds of definitive words, like “Yes”) unless it’s 1) the truth and 2) absolutely intentional.

      Outside of outright lying by someone in the chain between Zucker’s mouth and your pixels on my screen (which I sincerely doubt, btw), this is as solid as it gets.

      Many thanks!

  10. OldDarth says:

    From the promo for Couch Lock looks like this is a rogue mission where Chuck asks Casey to be bait to draw out his old unit. Casey’s capture is the ‘price’ that Chuck will wrestle with.

    My SWAG(Some Wild Assed Guess) spec is that Morgan is the one that comes to the rescue! 8)

    • atcdave says:

      That seems funny, I mean doesn’t Casey pretty much live for that kind of stuff? There must be some reason why its a very high risk operation; or maybe Casey really objects to being drugged to accomplish the mission.

  11. Joanna says:

    I think someone is drugged, perhaps Casey.
    “Couch lock” is the popular name of a derivative of a certain herb, which will cause people to sit down and becomes inert, but not erased. The sofa is only a cliché used by adherents.
    now, as it always has a link with Chuck and Sarah, I have no idea.
    Ouvir
    Ler foneticamente
    Dicionário – Ver dicionário detalhado

    • thinkling says:

      Sorry for the OT, but I have to ask, Joanna. Where are you from? It’s the engraçado/ouvir/ler foneticamente, etc that prompts me to ask. We may have much in common.

  12. Joanna says:

    wow, sorry, please disregard.
    it’s portuguese.

  13. Joanna says:

    I have dual nationality, Brazilian and Italian. To supplement my husband is American. I am in Brazil now.
    Portuguese language is really a very strange and difficult. I myself do not know all the vocabulary.

    • thinkling says:

      Cool! My husband is American/German, and my son was born in Brazil, so he’s American/Brazilian/German.

      OK, I’ll get back on topic, now. Sorry. Half my heart bleeds green and yellow. 😉

    • joe says:

      ChuckThis! is sooooo international! I love it!

      Just remember that when the Americans say “football”, we mean something completely different! 😉

      • thinkling says:

        Good one, Joe. You’re so international yourself. The World Cup is everybody else’s Superbowl. 🙂

  14. jason says:

    here is my guess:

    4.5 Chuck’s mission almost gets casey killed
    4.6 Chuck decided sarah and casey are not worth risking in his search, hence he goes rogue
    4.7 Chuck going rogue causes the first fight (while on mission)
    4.8 the first fight causes beckman to reassign chuck to riddle (whatever his name is) for casey and summer glau for sarah
    4.9 Chuck is in trouble, and sarah the lioness roars

    • atcdave says:

      Seems like a plausable outline. I’m just hoping Chuck and Sarah are really steamed at each other for only one of the above (4.07).

    • OldDarth says:

      I like that a lot Jason.

      Chuck’s going rogue as the source of the Chuck/Sarah fight and Chuck receiving training to stop him from going on personal quests makes sense.

      Chuck going rogue to keep the risk his own makes very plausible sense.

      It is my great hope that there will be two lionesses that roar in 4.09!

      Sarah and MamaB. 8)

      • joe says:

        Heh! And when that happens “No man is safe!” 😉

      • jason says:

        OD – I hope you are right about MEB joining sarah in protecting their ‘pride’, for some reason, I think MEB’s secrets aren’t going to be revealed until 4.11/12/13, much like we did not understand shaw’s relevance until 3.11/12/13. To follow that theme, much to Dave’s chagrin, I’m going to guess, just like Paris, the engagement occurs with 5 minutes to go in 4.13, Ernie’s hero’s prize. If a back 6/9 is ordered, I’ll go with a wedding mini arc. I will go out on a limb and say season 5 will be CS much more stable and more a spy couple, with an attempt to move relational angst toward Morgan and Alex, maybe toward Ellie and Awesome. Do you think either of the couples are capable of sustaining an arc complete with PLI/ or even LI’s? One of the problems with Chuck the show, is after Chuck, Sarah, and any recurring guest stars, it is just plain hard to take any character seriously – I think they are trying to get us to take Morgan much more that way, hence the spec that he might be the source of season 5’s angst?????

      • atcdave says:

        Jason you’re right about “much to Dave’s chagrin…” but I’m beginning to think you’re right. Much of my early engagement hopes were based on 4.04, which obviously didn’t happen; so your outline is looking more plausible.

        For myself, I’m not even a little worried about making the show work with little or no relationship angst. I see no reason why a spy-themed action/comedy needs it at all. The show could function nicely with a loving couple as the heroes of the story, and I’m sure that’s how it would be done if this were a USA series.

        But Schwedak apparently wants to keep it a soap opera. Which suggests to me, WB will have to change the production team if the show is to continue much past this season. Which of course is fine, its been done many times before; my concern is just that for a marginally performing show it may just make it easier to cancel it.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        Jason / Dave – Two things.

        First, it’s OK to wait until the last 5 minutes to “tidy up” the romamtic stuff but it has to be set up properly. DYLM & Paris were never properly set up (Sarah “choosing” in an instant in Castle 😛 is hardly a set up) and therefore we were left wanting in the arc finale.

        Secondly, I see TPTB treating the start of the Morgan/Alex relationship with far more respect than the start of the Chuck / Sarah one. I doubt we see LI’s or if we do Morgan / Alex are no more for good. PLI’s maybe.

      • Faith says:

        2 things:

        1. It seems they have indeed learned from what went wrong last season. Last season the opposite was true: the last 5-10 minutes were dedicated to ripping off your heart and stomping on it (I exaggerate for effect). This season the last 5-10 minutes are served to give you hope and make you feel good. Suitcase anyone?
        2. 40+seconds minutes is now my favorite time in Chuck. I’m not lying, I replay the ones that have come this season so many times it’s embarrassing…hence me knowing exactly what minute and second it comes on lol.

      • Faith says:

        40 minutes and some seconds. Caffeine…

      • weaselone says:

        Wait a second. Why should Morgan get to be happy and steady with his relationship with Alex. I think they need to bring in a love triangle with a Greta or even better make it a quadrangle by bringing back Carina.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        Actually, I was thinking that it would be somewhat cool if the last Greta was none other than Anna Wu.

      • atcdave says:

        Agree strongly about the feel good nature of the 40+ minutes this season.

        Anna Wu as the next Greta….
        you know that’s going to show up in a fan fiction or two!

    • joe says:

      I’m guessing the worst case scenario is that C&S have a serious conflict that begins right at the end of an episode (4.06, I’d say) and is resolved in the next.

      • OldDarth says:

        Chuck moves story points quickly so the break between them lasting more than one episode is unlikely.

        But really, if the conflict is not coming from a divisive one but a selfless motivation, does it really matter if the split lasts more than one episode?

      • joe says:

        True enough, OD. I was just thinking in terms of a cliff-hanger type of ending. They like to do that!

        And I’m totally in agreement that the motivation of the conflict will be ultimately revealed (and perhaps initially revealed) to be selfless. This ain’t another PLI coming into the picture, not by a long shot. MEB with her undetermined motivations is a whole ‘nother creature!

      • OldDarth says:

        Slight addendum Jason:

        The source of the fight may be over having used Casey as bait which leads Chuck going rogue.

      • atcdave says:

        I mostly agree; that’s part of why I’m not so worried this season, if the major tension comes from trying to protect each other its not too big a thing. Except that, as I’ve said before, what I really want to see is Chuck and Sarah vs. the World; so I’ll always see even well intentioned splits as a diversion.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @OD – But didn’t the podcast interview with Zac Levi on the sets of 4×07 by ChuckTV.net specifically say that C/S fight in 4×07. I seem to recall Mel? saying that C/S fight during a fight scene with the bad guys. Maybe 4×06 ends with a cliffhanger with C/S, Mama B and a bunch of bad guys. Opening scenes of 4×07 may have the C/S fight.

      • OldDarth says:

        Yes alladin that is true.

        Perhaps it is the conclusion of the initial fight ie once Sarah catches up to Chuck after he has gone rogue.

      • OldDarth says:

        Dave I would submit you are getting exactly that, just with Chuck and Sarah at slight odds with each other.

        Surely you are not mandating they never have disagreements? 😉

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @OD- Perhaps it is the conclusion of the initial fight ie once Sarah catches up to Chuck after he has gone rogue.

        Do you think they will fight in installments? They star fighting, mission interrupts – they both go “this is not over” and then later on they continue where they left off. LOL.

        4×06 is all about the crazy scientist and his nightmarish drugs.IMHO, the only way Mama B is going to show up is right at the end of the episode. Then we may have maybe two scenes with her – one with Sarah (guns in faces) and one with Chuck (look to your 3 ‘O’ Clock). So when will C/S have the time to disagree, much less fight? It will all go south at the beginning of 4×07 which may well carry on from the park scene (from the promos) of 4×06.

        On a related note – is the air date for 4×07 11/1 or is there a gap after 4×06?

      • atcdave says:

        OD, you know I’ve never suggested no fights between C/S. Now it is true I don’t ever care for internal conflict as a theme, I’d prefer all tension and drama coming from external sources; but I don’t require it and understand many people don’t feel as I do. But for those who really want to see the relationship dominate the story telling…

        I’m kind of kidding about that. I’m fine with the occasional disagreement; and if the “making up” is good even better. But I’d really be fine with no drama at all internal to the central relationship.

      • OldDarth says:

        Morgan coming to the rescue and getting shot in the process will also factor heavily into the fight and Chuck’s subsequent actions.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @OD- I had completely forgotten the Twit Pic of Morgan which showed him wounded. Is there any definite spoiler/rumor that Morgan will get shot?

        Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn’t the interview and spoilers from ChuckTv.net made it clear that C/S fight happens over Mama B.I dont think Morgan getting injured will be one of it’s causes. Although, Morgan’s injury may well be one of the many reasons that Chuck goes rogue.

        A detailed synopsis for 4×07 may give us a vague idea as to the time line of the fight – does it come early on in the episode or does it come later. My money is still on it being very early on in the episode.

      • Paul says:

        Can someone link the pic of Morgan being wounded? Tis is the first I’ve heard of this.

    • herder says:

      I’m wondering if part of the impetus for the fight is the fact Chuck is still making decisions without thinking of them as a couple. Chuck going rogue is clearly not a consensus decision reached by the two of them.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        The fight happens first. Chuck’s rogue mission comes after. So the impetus for the fight comes from someplace else – and Zac Levi in his interview with ChuckTV.net said that they fight because Chuck wants Sarah to trust him with regards to Mama B, but Sarah doesn’t.

        We do not know the circumstances which propel Chuck to go solo. Maybe his hand is forced due to Sarah being uncooperative and something comes up that has to be taken care of. Something that requires immediate action and there isn’t enough time to convince Sarah.

    • JC says:

      If I remember right Mel also said that MEB was in handcuffs during First Fight. From the promos where Sarah and MEB are having the standoff in 4.06 looks like it could be the same place as the scene where Chuck is talking to his mother on the phone. Does Sarah follow Chuck and try to arrest MEB leading to the standoff?

      That would end 4.06 which leads into First Fight. So Chuck not wanting to deal with Sarah goes on a rogue mission to prove his mother’s innocence which leads him to Timothy Dalton. Beckman finds out by now and doesn’t trust Sarah and Casey because their relationship with him and reassign a Temp Team B.

      Riggle and Glau are Chuck’s new partners. Enter Richard Chamberlain who kidnaps or offers Chuck a chance to clear his mother’s name. Chuck goes with him to Thailand. Sarah confronts MEB and she tells Sarah that Chamberlain’s character is a very bad guy and they team up.

      Chuck is in Thailand and Team B plus MEB stage a rescue mission. Sarah covered in mud.

  15. OldDarth says:

    The great thing about Jason’s spec is that is a dramatic and tense storyline that is not angst driven.

    It comes from the core of the characters ie Chuck’s need to keep his loved ones safe instead of a conflict between Chuck and Sarah over the question of MamaB’s true nature.

  16. Godot says:

    The reality is that Episode 7 is the start of Chuck’s November sweeps episodes. If they are separated for ANY reason (personal, professional, whatever), you should assume the separate will last through the entire November sweeps. That’s episodes 7,8,9,10.

    And since you can also assume they have to keep filming as if e13 is the end of the show/season, the “reunion” might not actually come until the end of e13. Even a back-6, back-9 commitment today might not change that, since they are probably filming 10 next week and 11-13 are already written.

    That would also jibe with how they set up e1-13 of the woebegone season 3. Episode 7 (Mask) was the start of the furthest distance between Chuck and Sarah and they weren’t together until 13 (Other Guy).

    • atcdave says:

      Except that Fedak has clearly stated they learned their lesson not to seperate Chuck and Sarah for a prolonged period of time again. Yvonne has provided some independant verification of that by stating she has liked being more involved with the main cast this season. I truly think you are worried about something that simply won’t happen. We may see an actual fight between Chuck and Sarah that leads to some sort of estrangement for one episode; and then maybe a hostage or mission situation that keeps them apart for one more. But they know Chuck and Sarah together is the strength of this show, even if there is still some tension or disagreement they will not keep them apart for much of the season.

      • Godot says:

        I’m not “worried,” atcdave, I’m talking the realities of TV writings. If you start a story arc in the first episode of your sweeps period, you tend to keep it through at least the end of the sweeps period. And as I pointed out below, that is what was done in both Seasons 3 and Season 2. The episodes designed for the November sweeps (admittedly, Season 3 didn’t air in the period) kept the arc going.

      • atcdave says:

        I think you’re misrepresenting what happened in S2. ONLY 2.06 ended with Chuck and Sarah looking like they were apart; 2.07 ended with Sarah in pursuit and 2.08 ended with them in a very good place. If we see a parallel to that, it would be one episode where they have a disagreement, one where they are fighting to be reunited, followed by them being back together and happy about it.

        S3 is the model THEY WILL NOT REPEAT. They have stated several ways, on several occasions, they will not keep them apart for an extended arc again. That doesn’t mean the arc itself won’t be longer and filled with excitement. But C/S is not the only source of excitement on the show. In fact, I believe the whole point of our S4 establishing episodes is that Chuck and Sarah are together and they are a couple. The arc ahead will provide challenges but will not destroy that.

      • thinkling says:

        I think you hit it, Dave, with you 3 episode scenario.

        And that they are a couple about to be challenged. I believe they will be strengthened, not destroyed.

      • weaselone says:

        I’m thinking what we’ll see will be more Season 2 than Season 3 when it comes to the separation.

      • weaselone says:

        LOL. Can’t believe I messed up my bolding.

      • atcdave says:

        Thanks guys! Perhaps I should have hit Thinkling’s point a little more too, the MEB arc is not primarily about C/S. We may not see a “mom” resolution until 4.10 (or later).

      • thinkling says:

        I’m thinking the Thanksgiving episode will have Mom pretty well resolved … mostly from the LH interview. Wouldn’t that be about 4×10

      • herder says:

        I think that the mom arc will be mostly resolved by Thanksgiving, or at least appear to be. My guess is that Mama B is someone who has layers of secrets, the question of whether she is good or bad will go back and forth and be mostly resolved then new secrets come to the fore, either in 3.11-13 or in the back 6/9.

  17. OldDarth says:

    No way Godot. Never happen. Chuck never maintains those types of storylines more than an episode.

    • Godot says:

      You mean except for Season 3 when the Shaw-Sarah romance arc lasted from E7 through E12? Or the Season 2 E6-8 Jill arc that lasted through the entire 2008 November sweeps period, which were he only Chuck episodes to air during the 11/2008 sweeps.

      We’re entitled to our own opinions, OD, but not our own facts.

    • atcdave says:

      I think ODs point is valid here. In S2 2.06 is really the only episode of the Jill arc that ends with Chuck and Sarah estranged; in 2.07 its switched to more of a hostage situation, and in all of 2.08 Chuck knows better.
      Santa Claus and Suburbs both ended with a down note for C/S but the follow up episodes did not.
      I will agree the sweeps period of S1 was my least favorite part of that season, but that was at such an early point in both the show’s history and the central relationship I don’t put too much weight on it.
      To me, S3 would be the most worrying precident, but TPTB have very nearly admitted it was a huge mistake. Even if Chuck and Sarah can barely catch a breath between adventures in November, I believe they will be together for most of it.

  18. OldDarth says:

    And Sarah and Chuck were together in every episode during that arc. I like facts too.

    Fact – show has never kept the main cast apart for more than 1 episode.

    • Godot says:

      That’s simply untrue. Chuck was with Jill in 6 through the beginning of 8. And Sarah was with Shaw from the end of 7 through 12. In fact, as I recall, this blog was full of moaning that Chuck and Sarah had virtually no screen time together in many of Season 3’s episodes.

      Unlike you, OD, who doesn’t like the romance angle much, I don’t actually have a dog in this fight. But TV writing is what it is. If you set up an arc like your currently coupled leads have some sort of separation (again, either romantic or professional) at the beginning of a sweeps period, you don’t resolve the arc until the end of the sweeps period. And that is EXACTLY what happened in both Seasons 2 and 3. Chuck/Jill was the focus of the Season 2 sweeps period and Sarah/Shaw was the focus of what have been the Season 3 sweeps arc.

      • thinkling says:

        I’m no TV expert, so my oar may be unwelcome, but it seems to me that the arc is about finding mom, not about a C/S separation or principally about their relationship at all. The first arc was primarily about Chuck and Sarah’s relationship, and mom was on the back burner. That’s done. Now, we swap burners. Mom is on the front burner. That will not change. That’s the story of this arc. Chuck and Sarah’s story will no longer be about their relationship but about finding Chuck’s mom. Because finding mom is part of their story. That may lead them through a brief separation, but that is not the main point to the arc. On multiple levels, it would not best serve the main story — Chuck & Sarah finding Chuck’s mom — if they were separated the whole arc. I suppose it could be written that way, but there’s nothing that requires that it be written that way.

      • joe says:

        I’m thinking you’re right, Thinkling.

      • thinkling says:

        Are we putting pesos on it Joe? 😉

      • joe says:

        Our position is too well thought out, intelligent and enlightened (and we’re too good looking) for anyone to even consider betting against us, Thinkling! 😉

      • thinkling says:

        🙂 🙂

  19. OldDarth says:

    Hmm sure recall Chuck and Sarah scenes during those episodes.

  20. OldDarth says:

    Also, a correction. I do, in fact, enjoy the romance. It is simply not my driving reason to watch the show.

  21. joe says:

    This is a bit OT, but I’d like you to know that TVBTN has a contest going through October, and the prize is either a pair of Chucks autographed by Zac, or a pair of Chucks autographed by Yvonne.

    And all you have to do is essentially follow them on Facebook and write a comment that you want the Chucks! Click on the link for details.

    Also TVBTN might be the place that breaks the news when NBC orders new episodes.

    Am I being optimistic? I don’t think so!

  22. rac2873 says:

    Read the full 4.07 synopsis and I like it even more now. Maybe it is the way that it is written but if this is where they are going with the story with Chuck and Sarah, I am not a fan. If this carries over into 4.08, 4.09 then this might be the end of my ship.

    • JC says:

      I read the full synopsis and I’m curious what bothers you so much.

      • Big Kev says:

        Agreed JC – I think it’s a really intriguing synposis. I see potential for drama that flows naturally from the story (not the manufactured angst of Season 3) and some great potential. There’s hardly anything for even the most uber of shippers to get upset about. I hear the sound of carts being put squarely before horses.

      • joe says:

        You have very sharp ears, Big Kev.

        I have to say that I love speculating at least as much as the next guy. I certainly can create my wish list of things I’d like to see happen in the next X episodes.

        But I’m just not that attached to that list, you know. I may have to change it tomorrow or shoot it in the head for the next mission. [CARINA! STOP THAT!] Mostly, it turns out that the pro’s imagination is much better than mine anyway, so I’m happy with that.

    • OldDarth says:

      If I only could get a nickel for every time…..

      • rac2873 says:

        I don’t know something bugs me about this. I cannot put my finger on it. Instead of Chuck confronting Sarah like a real boyfriend would do he runs head first into a rogue mission away from her.

        Also this from a man who wants to marry this woman. Yeah goodluck with that.

      • Paul says:

        But Chuck avoiding confrontation is totally within his character. It’s consistently what he does ALL the time. It’s totally within character, and has nothing to do with whether he loves Sarah or wants to marry her.

      • herder says:

        It’s also consistent with what I had suspected, namely that the first part of the season was dealing with Sarah’s issues; unpacking (commitment), babies (commitment), marriage (commitment). Then we deal with Chuck’s issues; confrontation/conflict, trust, mommy, no big deal.

      • JC says:

        We have no context for anything. I’ve mentioned before that Mel said MEB was in handcuffs in First Fight. Is that the result of Sarah arresting her in 4.06, the standoff we’ve seen from the promo? Being in love or not, arresting your boyfriends mom would cause some tension and trust issues. Like Big Kev said these are natural and not the manufactured crap of S3.

        And now we know Chuck’s rogue mission leads him to her former handler. My guess he’s looking for anything to clear her name. What I’m most curious about is why her handler was MI6 not CIA or NSA? Is she part of some international group of spies?

        If it ends being terrible I’ll be ripping the TPTB myself but lets see how it plays out first. This reminds of after comic con and people freaking out about Chuck keeping the OC from Sarah. We see how that turned out.

      • rac2873 says:

        Okay I see your point and yes it is not a PLI type of angst. I am just tired of shipper drama. One little fight is okay but Chuck’s obsession with his mom leading to him going rogue and getting Sarah or himself captured is quite obsessive. Fullfilling your dead dad’s wishes at the expense of your whole family safety including Sarah. Not Awesome.

      • rac2873 says:

        In the beginning I was all for finding Mama B but the more we hear about her, selling nukes to communists despots, sellling arms to terroists I am not so sure that was a great idea on Chuck’s part.

        I guess we will see as the story unfolds just what is up with Mama B and does her search really have to make Chuck and Sarah casualites.

        Why not have Chuck and Sarah be stable and have all his other relationships fall apart. You know Chuck and Ellie would stand to be impacted more than Chuck and his loving kick ass girlfriend.

        I just want to be suprised and show angst other than always going to Chuck and Sarah angst.

      • atcdave says:

        Rac I agree entirely with that sentiment about not wanting to see the story turn on C/S; but I think it is too early to know what they’re going to do. If we see a little tension between them (as JC pointed out, Sarah arresting Chuck’s mom would be a legitimate point of contention) that is organic to the story and characters I’m okay. Its framing the whole story in it and blowing things out of proportion I don’t want to see.

      • JC says:

        @Rac

        Here’s thing I understand where you’re coming from. I would love for them to focus on Ellie and the spy story more. But after three plus seasons we all know how the show operates. Chuck and Sarah problems will always be the main source of drama on the show.

    • herder says:

      In the rush to talk about the Chuck and Sarah bits, nobody has mentioned the other really interesting parts of this synopsis, Mama B having an MI-6 handler and Ellie setting out to find out about her family’s long burried past. Is this where Ellie finds out about the Orion Cave under her old living room, does she find out that Orion designed the intersect, that it is downloaded into Chuck at least three times, that Chuck is a spy, that Mama B is a spy, that Stephen was a spy of sorts. Does she find out something about herself that we don’t yet know. This opens up a huge area of mythology for exploration.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        Oh Lord no – Aunt Diane 🙂

        I’m curious as to what would prompt Ellie to try and undercover the past. We must be missing a nugget …. or she’s trying to get away from Devon’s mom.

      • herder says:

        Actually Joseph(can’t be Joe) that has been one of my WAG’s that Beckman knows more about all of this than we have been told. As far back as First Kill when she said that “I give you my word that nobody from the CIA knew that Orion was your father” I was suspicious. Beckman isn’t CIA and that was pretty odd wording, Orion would be working for DARPA, they may have called for a CIA agent to handle one of their scientists, Orion, no need for the CIA to know what his name was. Beckman is NSA or some other agency, she might have overseen the project.

        A family relationship is more difficult to make, but keep in mind we never had a scene where Orion and Beckman were together, perhaps to avoid showing that they knew one another. The closest that we had was in Predator Orion showed Chuck surveillance of Beckman with Sarah and Casey but at that time Chuck didn’t know that Orion was his father. I’ll stop there because any further and I’ll be building my own tin foil helmut.

      • JC says:

        Yeah the MI6 handler is strange. Something else I was thinking about was the connection between the Bartowski’s and Volkoff. We know Orion was an inventor and now we see Chuck inventing tranq gloves. Odd that Chuck invents a weapon in the season where the big bad is an arms dealer. Was that a bit of foreshadowing about his family’s involvement with Volkoff?

      • thinkling says:

        OK. After S3, in my musings about SJB’s past, I thought it would have been possible that they were recruited as part of a joint US/UK effort to end the Cold War through advanced technology. His age is right for him to have graduated on the eve of the Reagan/Thatcher era. That would tie it all together — CIA / MI6 / Russia.

        And I totally agree that Beckman will not be taken by surprise by any of this.

      • thinkling says:

        When the Cold War ended Volkoff needed a new buyer for his weapons, so he launched his own global arms business.

      • atcdave says:

        I do think Beckman will be surprised by Chuck (and Sarah’s) involvement in it. And may be shocked when Chuck actually locates Frost.

        But yeah, I think she already knows all the back story.

      • thinkling says:

        You’re probably right about her C/S knowledge. But by now she should know never to underestimate Team B.

        Side bar: I keep wondering about all the surveillance in Castle and the conversations they keep having … and other stuff. Beckman may know a lot. 😉

      • herder says:

        I wondered if the timeline had something to do with it. In Anniversary they had Mama B leaving in 1994 when it should have been 90/91 (Chuck was in grade five when she left, he would have been 10, 19 years ago). Why shift it to ’94, the USSR collapsed in 90/91 the other timeline would have worked with Volkov going out on his own at that time. Maybe he needed a few years to build up business (selling to Sadam) before getting Mama B.

      • thinkling says:

        @ Herder: The handwriting was on the wall, though, before the actual collapse. Volkoff may have hedged his bets early. He could easily have been a loose cannon and a problem for SJB by 90/91.

      • JC says:

        There’s also the possibility that Volkoff Industries was a CIA op that went rogue. An interesting idea would be that the persona of Volkoff is a cover used by different people. An evil Dread Pirate Roberts type of thing.

      • thinkling says:

        Love the Dread Pirate Roberts idea.

      • herder says:

        JC not only has Chuck invented tranq gloves this year but he has replicated the governor so that he now has three governor watches. I guess the acorn doesn’t fall far from the Orion tree. I wonder if his abilities in this area will be a plot point or just some sort of neat background stuff.

  23. Godot says:

    @atcdave-
    Not to put too fine a point on it, but the three seasons have all followed a pattern: In the November sweeps period, the show runners have brought in one or more third parties to disrupt the existing status quo between Chuck and Sarah.

    In Season one, the sweeps period (November 1-28, 2007) encompassed Alma Mater through Nemesis. The Bryce character is re-introduced in Alma Mater. Nemesis, the last episode of the sweeps period, ends with Sarah trying to decide whether to stay with Chuck or go with Bryce. In the two episodes in between, Chuck is romantically involved with with Lou.

    In Season two, the three November sweeps period (October 30 – November 26, 2008) episodes are the Jill arc. Chuck is involved romantically and then as a spy with Jill and the arc doesn’t end until Chuck “arrests” Jill at the end of Graviton, the end of the sweeps period.

    In Season three, nothing aired in November, of course. But the period that most likely would have been in sweeps (and, remember, the showrunners shot the show on a normal-season schedule) begins with Mask. Sarah gets romantically involved with Shaw and Chuck is romantically involved with Hannah. It lasts through Fake Name and Beard and through what would have been the sweeps period until the last episode of the original 13.

    I have no inside knowledge of what is to come. But we have been told (via Levi’s comments) that the season 4 third party, Mama B, creates some sort of rift between Chuck and Sarah. The extremely annoying (but usually accurate) Magnus Lekay claims that there is some sort of separation ahead. And since these apparently begin in episode 7, First Fight, the first in the November 2010 sweeps period, it is logical to assume that the Season 1-3 pattern will hold. The showrunners are bringing in a third party who will somehow disrupt the Chuck-Sarah status quo. And, TV writing convention and Chuck history shows that the disruption lasts the entirety of the sweeps period.

    To be honest, I don’t care. Like Liz James, I don’t think Chuck has made organic character sense since Colonel. Like Ernie Davis, I’ve adjusted my expectations down to continue to watch the show. So I’m not hoping for or fearful about anything. But there is every sign that it is Mama B who will cause a November-long rift between Chuck and Sarah.

    Just as the show runners have created a game-changing twist at the end of every episode that was designed as a season finale (Intersect 2.0 in Ring, Chuck-Sarah coupled in Other Guy, the Orion cave reveal in Ring II), they have disrupted the Chuck-Sarah status quo in all of the episodes created for the November sweeps. I expect the same again this sweeps period.

    To quote Vincent, “It would be unprofessional not to.”

    • atcdave says:

      Okay, I guess I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. I mean yes, the arc may continue for some time, likely until 4.10. I don’t believe Chuck and Sarah are the focus of the arc and their story may follow a different trajectory. I don’t believe citing S2 helps your case, Chuck and Sarah were only estranged for two episodes, and the end was clearly in sight at the end of the second. S3 was the only prolonged estrangement we’ve seen for Chuck and Sarah, and that is exactly what TPTB have said they won’t do again…

      We were earlier discussing my preference for an early engagement, I fully concede that is now unlikely. I had expected something in 4.04 that didn’t happen; my current expectation is more towards the end of the original season order, which probably means 4.13. Bummer but no biggie.

      • Paul says:

        But like I said earlier, an engagment in 4.13 would be a nice denuomont to the climax of the orginal 13, and is the most logical place to put it….especialy if you look at the a 13 eps season as a 3 act play (with 4.01-4.04 as act I). If the show is cancelled after 13, it provides a nice “prologue” that TPTB love so much in their finales. If a back 9 is added, it provides a springboard for new issues.

      • thinkling says:

        If the engagement is slated for 4.13, then I will be seriously bummed if we don’t get the back 6/9. Not a very satisfying way to end a series. It’s like letting you smell the buffet and not letting you taste any of it. It’s just incomplete.

      • joe says:

        Any suspicion that it all depends on if they get the back 6/9?

        I mean, if I were in their shoes (and be very glad I’m not, btw), I’d be thinking it’s time to wrap it up if (and only if) there’s no orders for more episodes forth coming. Then I’d work towards an engagement early and a wedding in 4.13.

        But if there’s an order for 6 or 9 more, then I’d feel much more certain that the show will be renewed for a fifth season, and have the engagement in 4.13. I think I’d lean to having a marriage in 4.22, but put it off until S5 if the order is for 6 extra episodes, and use the time for more back story (can you say, Sarah’s mom?).

        But of course, I’m not in that business.

      • JC says:

        If they do get picked up for more episodes I wonder if they’ll alter the story like they did in S3. My hope is they finish the arc and make the extra episodes a separate one. And hopefully it’s not a rushed as 3.5.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @JC – I kind of hope they come up with an interesting story line for the back 9 when they get the order and not just expand the current plot to include other filler episodes. They have already decided on the story for the first 13 – no use changing it (the way I am guessing Season 3 was stretched out – Initially Intersected Shaw was set to happen in 3.12/3.13 with a big Intersect vs Intersect battle on the Eiffel tower. They got the back 6, couldn’t decide on the story line – so they stretched the sorry state of affairs that was Shaw.)

      • atcdave says:

        Well I’m sure no one will be shocked I agree with Thinkling in this. I had really hoped they would do an early engagement with a wedding in 4.13. Of course, we don’t don’t know for sure yet that won’t happen, but its looking unlikely. They “made up a step” by having Sarah admit to a sleeping Chuck that she would marry him. And I think that is meant to tide us over until 4.13. That is pure guesswork, but with 4.05 being Casey centered and the mom arc getting going after that, I think we’ll see less focus on Chuck and Sarah for a while. Of course if I were Chuck, and I heard what Sarah said at the end of 4.04, I’d be out ring shopping the next day. And we don’t know yet that that WON’T happen, I just don’t think its likely to for a while.

        They will probably do the wedding as part of the back nine (yes, I mean 4.22). I currently like our chances for getting the back order, and hope to hear something in the next week or two.

      • atcdave says:

        JC and Genie, I agree entirely; I hope they avoid patched together story arcs this season. I’d rather see something unique for the back order, and I hope it doesn’t involve bringing Shaw back! (just kidding, I see no way they’d do that).

      • thinkling says:

        I wouldn’t mind leaving Volkoff for the back 9. They could do a wedding in 4.13 after having resolved the mom arc and tee up a Bartowski family mission, including MEB, to take down Volkoff (and Volkoff would be an excellent way to turn a wedding or honeymoon crazy, not that they would ever so that … the ring iii).

        The 2 primary stories are MEB and Chuck and Sarah. Volkoff is, at this point, tertiary. Ergo, my scenario.

      • OldDarth says:

        By 4.06 the search for MamaB is effectively over and the focus will shift to Volkoff. The Volkoff storyline will be completed by 4.13.

        Given the new info about Dalton as MI6 handler Tuttle, the professional split is likely to be initiated by him. Chuck and MamaB will be assigned to work together to bring down Volkoff. If Chuck is captured in 4.08 then Sarah et al going rogue to rescue him would be awesome. Especially if it was Sarah and MamaB together!

        Most exciting! How anyone could not find such a storyline riveting viewing…. well, it takes all kinds to make the world go round. 😉

        An engagement by 4.13 is a definite possibility. If they get the back 9, a wedding may be possible too. For my part that would be better played at the end of a fifth season.

        The back 9 will be a new and separate story arc. The show maybe able to rejig the last two episodes slightly ie 4.12 & 4.13 but not enough to drastically change the currently established one.

      • atcdave says:

        I like your scenario Thinkling, I just don’t think Schwartz does. I think its his MO to draw out relationship stories as long as he possibly can. It has the de facto effect of making them the main focus of the show, even if it is billed as a spy themed action-comedy!

      • atcdave says:

        I certainly agree OD that Sarah going rogue to rescue Chuck would be a very exciting story. Now, I would never prefer a story that seperates them, professionally or no, in the first place. But given that that seems to be a foregone conclusion at this point, a heroic rescue mission is the perfect conclusion.

      • jason says:

        this may sound really stupid, is dalton volkov – I thought I read that dalton is MEB’s M16 handler, which means someone else is Volkov????

      • amyabn says:

        I still vote for Arni or Ron Perlman to play Volkov. It would be interesting if they brought Cole back, working for Tuttle.

      • herder says:

        amy, it’s funny but bringing back Cole Barker was my first reaction when I heard that Mama B’s handler was MI-6. The interesting thing is that her having a connection with MI-6 means that it doesn’t have to happen in one of Timothy Dalton’s episodes, they can keep it for the back nine if need be. Bring him back to straighten out one of the things she has been involved with over the past sixteen years. Jealous and assertive Chuck might be fun to see, or better yet have them team up to catch Jill, have both Chuck and Sarah squirm.

      • Paul says:

        Would be funny too, seeing Cole immediately start hitting on Sarah again, and her shooting him down…..assertively…

      • atcdave says:

        I’d like to see Cole back too. He was an interesting character; he might hit on Sarah then congratulate Chuck in immediate response. I would like to see his response to the new, more capable Chuck.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        Actually I wouldn’t mind seeing Cole again either. Although he doesn’t strike as the type that would show up again and start hitting on Sarah.

        At the end of his stay he showed “respect” for Chuck and for Sarah as well. A bit of an alpha male but a gentleman.

        It would be cool for the Scooby Gang to come across him in their search Mom.

      • jason says:

        I think the interesting cole story would be a chuck – cole m16 episode looking for mamaB without sarah on the mission, where cole sees just how much chuck has improved as a spy – maybe even to the point of having to kill to save cole in a no choice situation, then only at the episode’s end, cole approach sarah, her thinking he was going to make a pass, instead, cole repeats a casey line of sorts, i.e. ‘walker, you picked a good one’ – could anyone else picture the smile that might elicit from sarah?

      • atcdave says:

        That would be a great scene Jason!

  24. OldDarth says:

    Storylines that involve Chuck and Sarah rescuing one another or other team/family members would never get old for me.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Same here.IMHO such a story line is awesome because it brings out the best in our favorite characters and the immense amount of love they have for each other boils over to the surface.

      Concerning a possible Sarah/Morgan scene in 4.07 – maybe it’s a repeat of Living Dead. Chuck and Sarah fight, Chuck goes rogue, Sarah finds out that Chuck is heading for danger, accosts Morgan for clues etc,etc. Maybe, this time even Morgan doesn’t know where Chuck has gone.

      The podcast at ChuckTV.net did say that they saw scenes with C/S, Mama B, Dalton and Anna Gasteyer being filmed. So, in all probability it looks like Sarah will turn up at the place where Chuck has gone on his rogue mission. Cue in Fight Installment 2. (Mel did say that C/S fight during the fight scene)

    • atcdave says:

      Oh yeah, definately my favorite theme. Its served Chuck well since the beginning (Chuck being held by La Ciudad is still a favorite scene).

    • kg says:

      Unequivocally agree with you Lou vis a vis “never gets old for me.”

      And the majority of the group, don’t worry. I now believe there is no force on earth that can destroy Chuck and Sarah. But they are not a normal couple. Very special indeed, but their relationship and partnership is complicated to say the least. Chuck wants you to believe he is normal, but he’s not. This was apparently obvious as far back as 10 when he was first subjected to the intersect and its potential. I’m even beginning to believe that their pairing was destined and not accidental. Bryce himself alluded to it before he died.

      This fight Chuck and Sarah have, will not be about them. Chuck has to defend his mother, and although Chuck loves Sarah with everything he has, and vice versa, if Sarah thinks or even knows that MEB is bad, she has no choice but to arrest.

      I mean after Seduction, Santa Claus, Suburbs, Broken Heart, Colonel, “I love you Sarah Walker, I Always Have”, “Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes”, “You saved me”, “Shut up and kiss me”, Honeymooners, Tooth, Spy Will, “You touch one hair on Sarah’s head and I’ll do to you what I’ve done to your men”, “You’re my home Chuck, you always have been,” these two will be fine. They’ll work their way through it and back to each other.

      Relax. Let it play out. Embrace it. Frankly, I’m excited and can’t wait. No matter what happens, Chuck and/or Sarah won’t hesitate to rescue the other.

      • herder says:

        Can’t really add to that so, ditto.

      • joe says:

        I never wanted to impose my opinions and notions on this group, especially my silly romantic ones. But if there was ever one attitude and outlook that I wanted to see spread into the Chuck Universe, KG, you just stated it perfectly.

        Thanks.

      • jason says:

        last post went in the wrong place, must have gotten a bit wound up when I hit the reply button, here goes again, sorry bout that:

        funny – guys – I get it – same as chuck did in 3.13 – shaw is a great spy and chuck and sarah have a romantic bond for the ages – I am on record as both loving s4′s lite arc and consistently wrote I think this coming dark arc is going to be great all (ok, most) of the way thru – but the show can’t afford to lose a single fan – and this angst stuff is whipping a portion of the fan base up by cleverly wording a spoiler to make those fans unhappy, this is not good for the show, the TPTB burnt their bridges last year by producing miserable episode after miserable episode – but they are trying to make amends with S4, they do not need this faux angst whipping people up again right now – it might have only take one more week of everyone getting along and watching the show to the tune of 1.9 M and the back 6/9 would have been secure – now I am worried, not about chuck and sarah, but about the demographic coalition of various chuck fan factions staying in tact – what do you guys think about that?

      • herder says:

        Jason, short answer, not at all. The show is about the spy life, it is hard, it will have hard times for all it’s particpants, Chuck and Sarah aren’t perfect, they will have hard times but their interest in others is over. So long as that simple fact stays true then I’m ok with what ever they have to deal with.

        I don’t see anything to suggest that some other person comes between them so I’m fine with the story that seems to be coming, in fact I’m looking forward to it. From what I’ve seen on the previews, leaks and synopsises it looks great. Bring it on.

      • JC says:

        Personally I’m not worried but I do understand people being hesitant. Can they craft a compelling enough spy story? Will the main source of tension and drama come from MEB and work it’s way into the relationship. Or will it be the opposite.

      • thinkling says:

        I think 91% (and I bet a bunch of pesos this is accurate to within 2%) of the hesitation is from the bad aftertaste of s3 rather than from the spoilers.

        Think about it. If we had gone from 2.22 to 3.14, the title First Fight and all the MEB spoiler and rogue mission spoilers wouldn’t produce any hand wringing at all. 3.14 to 4.4 have laid a solid foundation, that KG has aptly recounted, of a couple that will come through their challenges stronger, ready to face the next set of missions and challenges. What do we want, a couple that has an easy journey or a couple that’s strong enough to overcome the challenges. That said, I think the challenges to be believable and satisfying need to come from without and not within. The within has been done and reprised and encored (and boo-ed).

        So, forget 3.1-13. Focus on things from TPTB like “Chuck and Sarah will be together this season — all season … Chuck and Sarah are together, and we’re really excited to see them together and be a couple. That internal angst, I think we’ve played it out. It’s been well explored. I’m much more interested to see what happens to them as a couple, their relationship.”

        Or from Yvonne … things getting couple-y and referring to MEB as my in-law.

        And then there’s, “If you ask me for real, then my answer would be yes.”

        So, I don’t know where this new optimism is coming from. Maybe b/c I choose it over worrying about something that hasn’t and probably won’t happen.

        Cross a bridge before you come to it, and you have to pay the toll twice.

      • thinkling says:

        Oh, and I really think they have a great story ahead, better than any of the previous seasons, in terms of the spy story and the intensity and the mythology. I don’t want to miss all of that, just waiting for a nonexistent shoe to drop.

      • michael says:

        I agree with all this. It’s going to be fun.

        On a related and unrelated note, my son and I came out of seeing “Red” this afternoon and both said the Cooper character as played by Karl Urban should have been Shaw.

      • kg says:

        Ha ha Thinkling. Thank you for submitting arguably the best of the Chuck and Sarah positive/strength examples. I omitted the most recent and possibly most powerful from Sarah herself.

      • atcdave says:

        Wow some great comments here! I understand Jason’s concerns and think Thinkling’s observations about the deep seated concerns many of us are spot on. But like most of you, I’m really excited for the story ahead. I mean excited like I haven’t been since late S2. At that time the show’s ratings did start creeping up. Hopefully we haven’t burned too many bridges, and our enthusiasm will be infectious. Expect great things ahead!

      • rac2873 says:

        KG very well put. I like your perception of Chuck and Sarah. When you look at it that way what is a little fight between them. I am sure this will make them stronger in the long run.

        I must trust the showrunners that they have good intentions with the characters but I am still having flashbacks of last season. But posts like this put the ship in perspective. I don’t mind being shown that I am wrong and I will gladly change my opinion if someone convinces me I was wrong.

        So I admit that I was wrong. Even OD convinced me that puppy dogs and rainbows is boring and drama is exciting.

        I am willing to see it play out and see how Chuck and Sarah react.

        Thank you for showing me the perpsective I lost along the way. 🙂

  25. thinkling says:

    Well, Dave, my last holdout for an engagement pre 4.13 would be Thanksgiving. That would be great … appropriate? … possible?, right?

    LH did say I think Thanksgiving is going to be one of the best shows we’ve ever done, or seen … It’s not your ordinary Thanksgiving dinner.

    She also said So she [MEB] comes back into Chuck’s life with an agenda and you know, she is definitely a strong, forceful [woman] — definitely a force to be reckoned with. It ain’t all apologies and sentiment, that’s for sure. She has her own agenda and it just kind of goes crazy from there. But we like crazy.

    I enjoyed re-reading the [old] interview with her in light of all the recent speculations. Here’s the link, if anyone else is so inclined:

    http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/09/20/linda-hamilton-chuck/

    • atcdave says:

      Agreed about Thanksgiving; but at this point that’s close enough to the end I wasn’t going to split hairs! (Originally I’d thought wedding for 4.10, oh well).

  26. OldDarth says:

    Still trying to nail down what the fight is about between Chuck and Sarah. MamaB seems the most likely but there are some like DR, who are adamant that the fight is not over her.

    If that is true, I am stumped because it is very difficult to come up with a scenario for a major fight that does not have MamaB at its basis. The scenario that seems most likely is that they fight over trying to prove that MamaB is not the enemy spy she seems to be.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      If the fight isn’t over Mama B then what about this scenario.

      What if Sarah expresses the same concerns she did in Anniversary – she would have stopped Chuck because she wouldn’t want him to get hurt.Mama B is found in 4×06 – presumed to be an enemy and is locked up. Chuck feels that he could clear her name by going after Volkoff et al. But Sarah is adamant that he is needlessly putting his life in danger. Ensue the fight.

    • joe says:

      Eeesch! I surprised to hear about *that* line of speculation, Lou. With the promos already out showing Sarah and Mary Elizabeth pointing guns at each other, it’s a little hard to fathom.

      @genie You know, I wonder if we’re all assuming wrong here. Here’s a twist. Since we saw (in the promo) Chuck wondering if MEB isn’t one of the bad guys, maybe it’s Sarah who’s quickly convinced that she isn’t. Sarah’s mission becomes trying to convince Chuck – and Ellie! – that MEB is still their caring mother and not a threat.

      Now if that comes to pass, forget I even mentioned the idea!

      • atcdave says:

        I love that twist Joe. I bet it won’t happen that way but great idea!

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah, Joe, talk about role reversal. I would love it! Great idea. But I’m with Dave, it’ll probably never happen.

      • joe says:

        Hum…

        Thinking out loud – the idea is attractive because it puts Sarah in the position of fighting for Chuck’s family. It’s a way for her to *really* demonstrate her commitment to Chuck in a way that she hasn’t, yet.

        That’s what we’re really after, isn’t it?

        There’s probably other ways to do the same thing.

      • thinkling says:

        She could relent and go after him, sort of like sensei. I’m your fiancée, sorry, partner/girlfriend and I’m not letting you do this alone

      • herder says:

        What I’d like to see is a talk between Sarah and Ellie, “Sarah, find my brother, bring him back safe then we can have a talk with him”. I can also see Sarah and Morgan working together to figure out where Chuck has gone, Morgan may be the intersect on Chuck, but by now I’d think that Sarah is the intersect 2.0 on Chuck, together they could find him.

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah, Herder, I was thinking that a missing Chuck might be the catalyst to bring about a Sarah/Ellie talk. And one or both of those might prompt Ellie to go exploring.

      • herder says:

        Toss in a “you’re a Bartowski too now, act like one, go find him and don’t stop ’till you get him” and my fan wankery heart will be complete.

      • thinkling says:

        I like the way your fan wankery heart thinks

      • thinkling says:

        Some free love advice over the fight would be a plus as well.

      • jason says:

        funny – guys – I get it – same as chuck did in 3.13 – shaw is a great spy and chuck and sarah have a romantic bond for the ages – I am on record as both loving s4’s lite arc and consistently wrote I think this coming dark arc is going to be great all (ok, most) of the way thru – but the show can’t afford to lose a single fan – and this angst stuff is whipping a portion of the fan base up by cleverly wording a spoiler to make those fans unhappy, this is not good for the show, the TPTB burnt their bridges last year by producing miserable episode after miserable episode – but they are trying to make amends with S4, they do not need this faux angst whipping people up again right now – it might have only take one more week of everyone getting along and watching the show to the tune of 1.9 M and the back 6/9 would have been secure – now I am worried, not about chuck and sarah, but about the demographic coalition of various chuck fan factions staying in tact – what do you guys think about that?

    • Rac2873 says:

      The Fight is about Mama B the split is not according to DR

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        hmm. thanks for that. And if I recall the split is forced upon them – they have no choice in the matter. Right?

      • JC says:

        It would have to be Beckman right? Knowing that Chuck’s mother could be an enemy agent would force her to team him up with partners not compromised.

  27. jkl says:

    As as I remember DR didn’t say anything specific about the fight, just that MamaB had nothing to do about the split up.

    • Anonymous says:

      Ah! Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. A fight over Chuck wanting to clear MamaB’s name and Sarah feeling it is too dangerous makes totally fits then.

      Wooho! Can’t wait!

      • OldDarth says:

        Sorry that was me. My iTouch dropped my ID for some reason.

      • joe says:

        That happens to me from my desktop too. My suspicion is that it’s WordPress dropping the logins, not iTouch.

      • atcdave says:

        WordPress can be very buggy. About once a week when I have to sign in, it can take 3 or 4 tries on one computer. The older one gets it right every time, go figure.

  28. Paul says:

    Just a random thought. After watching 4.01 again, I got to thinking about the ending (mixed with some spoilers we now know about upcoming eps). If Frost really is deep cover, she may not want her cover blown. She kills Marco because he knows about her family looking for her….which could inadvertantly blow her cover. If she is still on her mission, she will need to dissuade Team B from looking for her. Could the reason why she sends her old team to Burbank is to “convince” them to stop looking for her?

    • atcdave says:

      I do think that is a possibility Paul. Its hard to imagine a deep cover mission that would require 20 years serving a criminal master. It will be VERY interesting to see how this unfolds, I am quite curious.

      • Paul says:

        Not really all that exteme. Isn’t that essentially what a mole does? Goes in deep, pretends to work for you, all the while sending info back to his true masters?

      • rac2873 says:

        Also if she was deep cover for that long Costas Gravas would have never gotten those nukes. Undercover or not those things do not happen.

        After rethinking season 4 the theme is Chuck and Sarah vs Themselves. lol

        There is a fic about this here http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5899659/1/Chuck_Sarah_Vs_Themselves

        But really they are their own worst enemies.

      • thinkling says:

        Good point, Rac. If she’s a good undercover agent, how has VOlkoff been so successful over the years? Or has she slowed him down and left enough clues for the good guys?

        With questions created by all the info we’ve been fed from various sources + the 4.05 preview, it’s becoming harder to see her as one of the good guys. But I also have a hard time imagining that Chuck’s mom is bad.

        I think the only scenario that will answer all the questions is a personal agenda. Yes, there’s spy history and spy stuff, but I bet MEB has always had a personal agenda in the mix.

        … or not. 😉

      • Paul says:

        Well, we know CG got nukes, but do we know if they were ever functional in the first place….? Maybe, but maybe not if Frost was there to ensure the weapons that got sold didn’t work…

      • rac2873 says:

        If Costas Gravas got nukes from a deep undercover agent then the US intelligence agencies would have known and Aunt Diane would have not flipped a lid.

        She seemed pretty Suprised “COSTAS GRAVAS IS NUCLEAR!!!”

      • Paul says:

        But Frost aparently works for MI-6 not the CIA. It is not outside the realm of possibility that even a friendly intel agency would withould info from an ally. Also, if she were cut off or so deep she couldn’t get info out, she might have to resort to sabotaging deals. Not all mind you, just the most dangerous ones, and ones that aren’t likely to be used. I mean, how would Goya know his nukes were fake until he actually used them????

      • atcdave says:

        I’m thinking it may be more complex than that, like MEB no longer knows where her loyalties lie. And it will come to Chuck (and Sarah?) to bring her back into light. To me, that’s sort of the “Darth Vader” scenario. So in that case, she may indeed have helped sell nukes to a not yet former stinking commie despot.

  29. OldDarth says:

    Here is a clip from 4.05 between Morgan and Batista:

    YouTube – Batista guest stars on NBC’s Chuck[/url]

    Pretty intense! I love it!

    Thank goodness a real sense of drama and tension will return. 8)

    • Paul says:

      Poor Morgan needs to learn to lie better….

    • joe says:

      Wow! Intense was the first word that came to my mind, too.
      I’m looking forward to this one now!

      Lou – I hope you don’t mind. I’m going to edit your link so that the clip is embedded in your post for everyone’s convenience.

    • herder says:

      Is that Casey on the couch, perhaps drugged? do we have a couch lock maybe.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        And why on earth is he wearing a Star Wars helmet? Is it Casey or a dummy? Or Morgan slipped on that helmet finding Casey unconscious?

      • Paul says:

        From the previews, Casey is injected with a needle and syringe by one of his former team. Then there is a shot of him talking to C/S saying he’s not sure home much longer he can keep moving.

    • kg says:

      While I agree Morgan has to work on his lying skills, this is probably the first time he’s had to do it in a setting that matters gravely, much different and separate from deceiving the Emmett’s and Hary Tang’s at the Buy Moore.

      It’s nice to see him in the role of Chuck seasons one and two, not adequately trained and prepared, but still having his heart in the right place and stepping up to protect people he cares about – here Alex and her father, while also sacrificing his own personal needs, putting himself in an uncomfortable situation with the loved one and looking like the dufus.

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah, that is fun. How many times did Chuck let himself look bad in order to protect people or carry out the mission?

        Morgan’s turn. Reminds me of Best Friend — shoe’s on the other foot, now.

  30. OldDarth says:

    No problem Joe. Sorry about that.

  31. joe says:

    This is not TVBTNs “official” “Cancellation Bear” Renew/Cancel Index (that comes out on Tuesday). But Robert Seidman has his own version here.

    In last week’s Index, Chuck was “officially” between the bear and Chase, but the promise was that this would change. It was even possible that Undercovers might fall behind in that race.

    And today, Siedman places both those shows between the bear and Chuck.

    Viva la Nerdolution!

  32. jason says:

    anyone know what phase 3 might mean (4.9’s title)? In medicine, it is the final trial before release to the public sounds a little like an engagement doesn’t it, just spitballin, but ….

  33. herder says:

    Tonight’s episode is supposed to be fairly Casey centred, Morgan is worried about telling him something, presumably regarding him and Alex. So a simple question, what is the over/under for Casey threatening Morgan with bodily harm, my guess is three times.

    What are the odds that Casey’s old team mirrors team Bartowski with one grunting hard case (Baptisa) one efficient planner (Eric Roberts) and one nebbish worrier (Joel David Moore) all of whom take their orders from a woman who frightens them.

    Heather Chandler and Goya had something to do with Project Beacon, what are the chances that team second string have something to do with it too.

    At the end of the show, Morgan will have saved the day (in his unintentional way) and get the girl, Casey will be somewhat muzzled and the Chuck/Sarah relationship will be less front and centre than in the first four episodes.

  34. ChuckNewbie8 says:

    Michael Ausiello is saying full pickup per his source:
    http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/10/18/chuck-full-season-pick-up/

    • thinkling says:

      WAHOO! :))

    • atcdave says:

      Thanks Faith, really awesome news!

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      You gotta love technology right? Super-speedy.

      Here’s hoping for a Sarah backstory! Or at least the return of Jack Burton! (for wedding? *wink* *wink*).

      • JC says:

        Jack Burton, Carina, Roan and Jill. Wedding of the century.

      • atcdave says:

        I want to see Bryce duck out of the back as the ceremony wraps up.

      • JC says:

        I didn’t want to go there since I’m huge Bryce fanboy. But best idea ever Dave.

      • joe says:

        Holy cow! Carina AND Alex in the same room? Combustion.

        Sarah could control herself with Jill in the room, but what about Diane??? The mind reels!

        [Joe takes a nip from Woody’s flask.]

      • thinkling says:

        How about Bryce and Jill peaking in through a window. That’s good enough for me.

        I’d love to see Jack and Carina back for the wedding.

        Roan can be Dianne’s +1 and console her.

        Who’ll be the bad guys? Do we have the traditional bride and groom first dance turned slightly less traditional dynamic duo fight against the latest bad guys? And the mother of the groom can get in on the action! … With some serious Woodcomb Sr./Buymorons/Big Mike (this wedding just got good) jaw dropping.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I’m definitely down for wedding of the century. Hell, I’m down with engagement party of the century if it brings out all the favs.

        Joe, even funnier if Diane goes all the graduate and burned. Ok not funny…HI-larious.

      • joe says:

        OMG, what an image. Diane, showing one seductive leg with Chuck underneath…

        @Ernie Filter – filter!

        😉

    • herder says:

      Great news, now if only we could get NBC to do a little promotion (not a huge push, just give it the promotion of a normal show). Last night there was one Chuck ad on Football Night in America and that was it. By contrast there were tons of ads for The Event and Chase through out the whole game.

      • joe says:

        You’d think they’d stop pouring money down that particular set of holes, wouldn’t you?

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        At this point I see promos with strings attached. We get no promo and we get consistent numbers. They get the bulk of the promos and they have slipping numbers. The string is getting tighter around the neck…for them.

      • atcdave says:

        Steady and cheap is a heck of a selling point.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      HEEEHAAAA!!! (Sorry! Got a little carried away)
      This is awesome news indeed.

      Jack Burton, Carina, Roan for the marriage ceremony.

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