Speculation Post: 4.06 Chuck vs. The Aisle of Terror

It’s Your Worst Nightmare! (Mwa-ha-ha)

Wanna be spoiled, more than usual? See Jace’s review, here.

Freddy by Jason Mercier

Oh? No spoilers for you? Well, okay. Here’s a one-word synopsis of his review of the upcoming episode – “Spectacular!” Gee. Maybe he’s just a big Robert Englund fan, or something. Whatever, from the previews we’ve seen it looks like Chuck vs. The Aisle of Terror is yet another in a string of very strong episodes this season, filled with action, drama, Sarah and Mary Elizabeth pointing guns at each other, humor and did I say Sarah and Mary Elizabeth pointing guns at each other?

 


So let’s speculate. From the synopses:

CHUCK’S DREAM OF FINDING HIS MOM MAY BE HIS WORST NIGHTMARE — LINDA HAMILTON, MORGAN FAIRCHILD AND ROBERT ENGLUND GUEST-STAR — When Chuck (Zachary Levi), Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski), Casey (Adam Baldwin), and Morgan (Joshua Gomez) are tasked to stop Dr. Stanley Wheelright (guest star Robert Englund, “Nightmare on Elm Street” films) from releasing a nightmare-inducing toxin, they’re also lead to question the allegiances of Chuck’s mom (guest star Linda Hamilton, “The Terminator”). Meanwhile, Jeff (Scott Krinsky) and Lester (Vik Sahay) use their unique sensibilities to celebrate Halloween at the Buy More, and Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) and Awesome (Ryan McPartlin) get a visit from Dr. Honey Woodcomb (guest star Morgan Fairchild). Bonita Friedericy and Mark Christopher Lawrence also star.

So after 20 years, Chuck finally gets to know if there could possibly be a good explanation for leaving your young children behind. Amidst a nightmare producing toxin, Sarah might have to convince Chuck that his mother is the most evil rogue spy, ever. Morgan has to face the terrors of what Jeff and Lester have done to the Buy More, and poor Ellie has the biggest nightmare of all!

The Awesome-mom-in-law is coming for a visit.

– joe

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225 Responses to Speculation Post: 4.06 Chuck vs. The Aisle of Terror

  1. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Finally!! Thanks a lot. I was beginning to wonder though.

    As of 4×05 Chuck has convinced himself that his mom is working with the bad guys while Sarah was all for giving her the benefit of doubt. Most probably this situation will be reversed. But what may bring such a change? That will be interesting to see.

    Also of note are two lines spoken by Mama B

    1. Chuck: “Are you afraid that the bad guys will see you with your son?
    Mama B “Oh!! It’s much more complicated than that”
    2. Sarah: “Why did Volkoff send you here”?
    Mama B”Oh! Jumping to conclusions, are we?”

    I have a feeling that Mama B will again disappear by the end of the episode – only for Chuck to track her down with the help of Gregory Suttle (Dalton) in 4×07

  2. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    Is it my imagination – or have there been more spoiler vids/behind the scenes clips/ interviews/ photos for this upcoming EP?
    Wow – you can tell they are really building up for the first appearance of Chuck’s Mom!!!!
    I really love the theme episodes. It gives everyone [ especially the Buy More] a context for the whole Episode. Even though 4.05 was pretty good, I have a feeling 4.06 is once again going to set the S4 bar even higher! It goes really well with the recent announcement for an additional 11 episodes.

    • Faith says:

      No it’s not your imagination. They dont often release EPKs (electronic press kit) but they do when they’re angling for higher ratings like during sweeps or premieres, right before a big break.

      They released ones for Aisle IMO because they’re heavily promoting their Halloween block.

      In any case I am excited. And pumped. To echo Joe, did I mention they were pointing guns at each other? And the scene after that well let’s just say that the Ben Stiller Meet the fockers movie ain’t got nothing on Chuck haha.

      • Paul says:

        Is it just me or are they releasing more EPK’s now than last season? I seem to remember only 1 and that was for Beard. So far we’ve had 2 and there is another coming up for 4.10.

    • joe says:

      I thought so too, Gringo. The vids have be AWESOME!

      Faith, I’ve been wondering for days what EPK stood for! Thanks.

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  4. OldDarth says:

    No facts to back this up but it seems like the basis for the Chuck and Sarah fight is Chuck’s desire to help MamaB break away from Volkoff permanently. Volkoff seems to have some form of leverage over MamaB.

    Sarah will be opposed to the idea because Volkoff is so powerful and dangerous.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      OD, that’s a very nice theory.

      Sarah will be opposed to the idea because Volkoff is so powerful and dangerous.

      I am hoping that this will be the background for the C/S fight. Chuck trying to help his mom and Sarah worried and angry that the person she totally loves is putting himself in harms way to rescue someone whose motives may still not be clear. I can imagine a C/S convo where Sarah admonishes Chuck and tells him that his efforts on Mama B are endangering his ties with the ones who love him (by putting them in distress)

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        Wouldn’t it be wild – if much of what has happened to Chuck – has actually been through the work of his mother pulling strings in the background? Puppetmaster?]- Master manipulator… even partly responsible for aspects of the Intersect project?…
        Chuck’s dad seemed to be both rather surprised and annoyed that Chuck was involved in the spy world.
        Wouldn’t it be interesting if everything we’ve seen so far had been orchestrated by Chuck’s mom working in the background!
        1. Bryce at Stanford…
        2. Meeting/breaking up with Jill…
        3. Receiving the intersect
        4. even Both Sarah and Casey being assigned to handle the intersectproject…
        [OOOh – now that really gets interesting – if there’s some back story between Sarah and Chuck’s mother!!!!]
        Ok – I’ll stop with my episode of Fan Fic.

    • thinkling says:

      I have some similar thoughts OD

      I wonder if Chuck and Mom don’t agree to stage his death to satisfy Volkoff that nobody is looking for her any more. V may even have figured out that Chuck is the “master spy.” So faking his death allows her to continue whatever her mission is inside VI.

      I’m guessing they leave Chuck on the floor, presumed dead, until the start of 4.07. The fight is over his staged death, or over Chuck wanting to go after Mom. After all that, Sarah would definitely not be in a trusting mood.

      Chuck goes anyway. Sarah follows later.

    • Faith says:

      My theory is a little different. I think MamaB will ask something of Chuck that he normally wouldn’t do for anyone else but family. Whether that means let her go back underground or whatnot, he’ll do it because it’s her.

      I don’t think Sarah, no matter how understanding of all things Chuck will understand this (and with her background it should be obvious why) and therein lies the first fight.

      I’m not saying Chuck will break the law per say, but I think he does something for her that puts him in danger…and we know how Sarah feels about Chuck putting himself in danger.

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah, Faith, even though Sarah has been totally invested and supportive of the search, she will not go along with Chuck being used and placed in danger (or of letting Mary go back when she could help end Volkoff). She has to look out for him, b/c he’s not going to look out for himself where family is concerned. This is Lioness Sarah, after all. Her loyalty is 100% to Chuck.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @thinkling – I believe Zach Levi said in an interview when they were filming 4×06 that Sarah isn’t too keen about Mama B’s return and the only person she cares about is Chuck. Lioness Sarah FTW!!

      • thinkling says:

        I think Sarah would be fine with Mom coming back if she didn’t have such a murky history with Volkoff, but as it is, she can’t trust MEB’s motives, even toward Chuck, ergo … the Lioness roars. Like I said no one else will look out for him.

      • Faith says:

        Without getting into the EPK (much) I like the suspiciousness that Sarah has brought with her as it relates to Mary. Yes she’s willing to search for Mary, for Chuck, and yes she’ll try to talk him into looking for his mom if she truly believes he’s subjugating his own desires for the good of all (see end of Couch Lock) but I think there’s also a suspiciousness within her grown from that Lioness you talked about.

        She’s suspicious of Mary not just because Mary has had shady dealings with Volkoff but also because this is the woman that hurt her Chuck.

        There isn’t a lot of things I miss from S2 (in particular) because 4 has just been…fantastic but if there was one thing it was the protectiveness and caring that she showed in Broken Heart for example. We get the verbal equivalent of that in some ways, but I’ve always considered Sarah a woman of action and I’d like to see the return of some of it.

      • jason says:

        i think 4.6 is going to be a relatively fun episode yet again, even for chuck and sarah, but it might be the last one for a while. I seem to recall yvonne saying (maybe in an interview with Mel??) during 4.7’s filming that the basis of the ‘fight’ was chuck being upset that sarah does not trust his instincts (she did not say when it comes to mary if I recall, but that was implied), that would cover many of the theories posted here.

        If 4.11 is the last ep before a 45 day break, I wonder which ep is the thanksgiving ep, anyone know? 4.10 is called leftovers? 4.11 is called the balcony? could it be any of 9,10, or 11? Most likely 10, since 9 will be very busy i am guessing? Guesses anyone?

      • thinkling says:

        @Faith: I think Sarah is back this season, including Action Sarah. I have a feeling we are about to see Sarah at her best, motivated by that love to the nth power.

        Another thing that has to worry Sarah, but Chuck couldn’t even process the possiblity, is that MEB is Volkoff’s terminator. She makes his problems disappear. So what if Chuck is a problem. Well, we know for a fact that he is. So, Sarah, has to wonder what is Chuck is just a problem?

        She can’t risk trusting MEB with the one thing that is precious to her. She just can’t. And Chuck can’t give up on his mother, even if she’s an ax murderer. He just can’t. The fight is inevitable. They will ultimately see past the words and actions to the motivation behind them and be OK. But we’re in for a stand off. And one that’s probably going to feel justified

      • joe says:

        Love this discussion.

        But am I the only one believing that Chuck doesn’t fully trust MEB any more than Sarah does? Maybe the fights over just how far they can play along with her.

        Or maybe the fight’s over Chuck wavering. A boy wants to trust his parents, of course.

        I’ve only seen it twice. But am I right in thinking that it’s MEB who shoots Chuck?

      • atcdave says:

        Jason I think 4.10 (Leftovers) will be the Thanksgiving episode, with 4.11 airing the Monday after possibly making some Christmas reference.

        Joe I don’t think Chuck having suspicions about MEB, and risking himself to save her are exclusive. Its Sarah who won’t like that combination. I could easily see Chuck and Sarah being in total agreement that MEB has likely been involved in some very shady business. The question is what to do about it. I can see Chuck being willing to put himself on the line anyway (sort of forgetting what he said at the end of Couch Lock); and Sarah going ballistic at the thought of it. Perhaps Sarah even tries to hold him to what he said at the end last week; but of course Chuck will charge off anyway. In fact, the summary I’ve seen looks like Chuck will run off after mom simply to avoid giving Sarah veto power.

      • joe says:

        Ooohhh that’s subtle, Dave. I like it!

      • thinkling says:

        Joe, it looks to me like Mama B shoots Chuck point blank. Maybe Sarah’s in on it, in which case she sells it as the real thing. And we know she good at selling what she needs to.

      • PeterOinNJ says:

        (SPOILER ALERT IF YOU HAVEN’T WATCHED THE EPK’S)
        I’m thinking that the shooting is Sarah’s nightmare just as Sarah geting shot by Mom is Chuck’s. In the BTS you see Mom pointing a gun and later Sarah with blood on the front of her shirt. What scares you Chuck?
        Loosing Sarah.

      • joe says:

        Peter, I was thinking that the shot with blood on Sarah’s shirt was just an on-set candid. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them turn that into Sarah’s Halloween costume for a party at the Buy More.

        But the idea of Chuck being shot and Sarah being stabbed as each other’s worst nightmare is a winner! I love that!

      • atcdave says:

        You know, given the theme of this week’s episode its occured to me a lot of what happens could just be the stuff of nightmares. Like even MEB returning to Burbank in the first place. We’ve heard enough spoilers for me to think there’s at least some reality to the issues we’ve been discussing, but I wouldn’t be surprised by much of anything at this point.

    • Waverly says:

      If Chuck being shot is just a ruse to get Volkoff to think that MEB’s family is no longer looking for her, then one would expect Chuck to lay low for a while.

      I think that the Chuck/Sarah fight is about Chuck wanting to go out and do something while Sarah is adamant that he stay hidden and safe.

      So what persuades Chuck to come out of hiding? Besides trick or treating, of course. Something mom-related? Saving the day against the Englund character?

      • atcdave says:

        That’s an interesting thought Waverly, I mean the “coming out of hiding” spec. I like it. But I think Englund and trick or treating will already be done; Chuck’s rogue mission is in 4.07. I think if its about breaking cover it has to be for mom.

  5. godot says:

    No Chuck episodes in December. NBC has programmed the second season of The Sing-Off for 8-10 in all pre-Christmas Mondays.

    That means the last Chuck episode of the year will be the last to air in the November sweeps.

    • atcdave says:

      We apparently don’t have any other breaks between now and then, so we should end with 4.11; right when they normally break for the holidays. Then we have 13 episodes in the winter/spring, COOL!

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        My only hope is that they don’t leave us with a humongous cliffhanger in 4×11. I will be spending the entire month on tenterhooks.

      • Faith says:

        You know that’s the way you want it Alladins…lol.

        If my memory doesn’t fail me, that’s almost always the case anyway. I don’t think any of my shows have had breaks as of yet…but they will once december comes around.

        Ironic because just as viewers get accustomed to time slots, and shows they change it up on them.

        C’est l’affaire.

      • atcdave says:

        Chuck has done it both ways; 1.11 wrapped up a long story/relationship arc, while 2.11 ended with the infamous Mauser shooting and the heavy angst cliffhanger. I seem to remember a pretty stressed and unhappy fan base that year!

        I’m still hoping for an engagement; but for the record, I’m pretty happy with the show just now and I imagine I’ll happy when they break for the holidays whatever they do.

      • godot says:

        @atcdave: Actually, no, a normal schedule would have programmed episodes during the first two Mondays of December. In the case of Chuck, that would have meant the entire original front 13 would have aired before the holiday break.

        So we’ll have essentially a 45-day hiatus because they won’t program new stuff on the first Monday of 2011. That sort of orphans the last two chapters of the 13-episode arc.

      • godot says:

        If I recall properly, S1 was messy because of the writer’s strike and the last two of the 13 filmed were burned off on a Friday in January. S2 had room for only 11 in 2008 because there was a debat on a Monday and pre-election special the day before.

        So it’s hard to find a good precedent. Of course it could be MUCH worse. Remember where Season 3, episode 11 would have left us for 45 days? With Sarah telling Shaw she didn’t love Chuck anymore…

      • atcdave says:

        I know Godot, that’s exactly what they did the first two seasons. 1.12 and 1.13 were run on the same Monday night in January (a Chuck sandwich) after the Christmas break; and 2.12 was the 3D episode Monday after the Super Bowl. Both times they had started with a 13 episode order; S1 ended there because of the writer’s strike, and S2 got a back 9 order in September as the season was just starting to air. Even the dates will be similar to S1, where 1.10 was Thanksgiving (Nemisis) and 1.11 was already the Christmas episode (a very early Christmas episode, probably why it was just a work party). S2 was a bit of a scheduling oddity; they had skipped the first week of November for the elections so 2.08 (Gravitron) was Thanksgiving and the Christmas episode (Santa Claus) was pushed well into December.
        So I think this really is SOP for NBC; probably was their intention all along. It may mean 4.11 won’t be much of a Christmas episode at all, unless they finish off with something big for Chuck and Sarah.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @Godot – Remember where Season 3, episode 11 would have left us for 45 days? With Sarah telling Shaw she didn’t love Chuck anymore…

        Aaah!! THE HORROR!!! LOL.

      • rac2873 says:

        1.12 and 1.13 were a Chuck sandwhich on a Thursday. Then they went on strike.

        Also Chuck use to pull a 2.7 and a 2.9. Man the strike really killed Chuck’s momentum. That month break was not good.

        http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/01/25/overnight-results-for-thursday-january-24/2471

      • rac2873 says:

        That is 9 month break.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah rac it hasn’t been the same since the strike. But other networks are in the same boat, the strike really hurt the business.

  6. atcdave says:

    I’m just excited that there seems to be so much going on in this episode; two different plots for the a plot (?), Jeff and Lester at Buy More, and Honey at Casa Woodcomb. We’ve seen some noticible filler this season mainly with the Buy More plots, but this one really looks all good.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Ooh! I had completely forgotten Honey Woodcomb. Bet she will drive Ellie nuts all over again. I can imagine a scenario where Ellie escapes from the house and ends up at the Bartowski family home in Encino (provided that Chuck told her about that). So three sub plots to go along with the main plot i.e Mama B – Toxin, Halloween at Buy More, nagging mother-in-law at Casa Woodcomb.

      • weaselone says:

        Honey will almost certainly be used for comedy. Her warmth and affection for Awesome and Ellie will probably also be used to contrast the behavior of Chuck’s mother.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Poor Chuck and his abrasive mom. From the sneak peek – You just hate saying goodbye like a normal person, don’t you?

      • thinkling says:

        Good call Weaselone. There will be stark contrast, indeed. But both women will be producing tension, each in her own way. Honey’s is of a more traditional nature.

        In fact, the contrast could be the in-law route. Honey causing Ellie grief, and Sarah having major problems with her future in-law. Chuck defending his mom, and Devon defending or explaining his mom. So, the dynamics could be oh so similar, but the realities that produced them … galaxies apart.

      • atcdave says:

        Can’t you just see a scene paralleling the discussions; Devon and Chuck each defending their moms…

      • thinkling says:

        Could be rich … Dr. Honey’s pride and doting love of her son, helping out, baking things v. Operative MEB’s, well, whatever you call it, complicating life, shooting things.

        So you have a contrast with the primary relationships, mother/son, as well as the parallel with the in-law conflicts.

        Could be gold.

      • atcdave says:

        You could even argue both boys choose a girl just like mom! (not that that helps)

      • thinkling says:

        Except Chuck had NO idea

      • atcdave says:

        I think that’s part of the “destiny” angle! I’m also thinking Ellie would be massively offended by my statement; while Sarah will actually worry about it.

      • thinkling says:

        Devon best NEVER put forth the comparison, nor anyone else if they know what’s good for them.

        Maybe Sarah’s encounter with Heather will give her the perspective needed to deal with Mary.

      • Paul says:

        I think Sarah is totally in spy mode when it comes to Frost. She doesn’t trust her, which likely leads to the fight.

      • thinkling says:

        @Paul: Spy mode & Protect Chuck mode

    • thinkling says:

      I just hope it’s not spread too thin, short changing some of the best parts

      • atcdave says:

        That’s always a risk, and to be fair I think they have occasionally rushed important elements I wish we’d seen more of. But I would expect Honey Woodcomb to just a few brief gags of driving Ellie nuts; hopefully we’ll get a small dose of the Buy Morons, and the “A” plot will be properly developed.

      • joe says:

        Re: being spread too thin…

        It’s a worry, but I think that’s only because there are so many juicy story-lines to choose from this week. That, and we’re getting very imaginative in our musings! 😉

        Really, some of these specs (and most of mine, I’m sure) are simple not going to happen. Pruning of the branches is a given.

        Gack! If I had my wishes, a two hour feature-film length episode each week couldn’t cover all the possibilities I want to see addressed!

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah Joe, I wouldn’t have agreed last season; but this year I think every episode would benifit from a two-hour treatment (okay, maybe not Cubic Z; it was funny but played out quickly. The others… maybe they’ll do an extended cut! yeah right)

      • joe says:

        *That’s* a great idea! Much better than a feature length movie, I want to see an *extended* “director’s cut” version of the episodes we have!

        Whooooeeeee! That would be soooooo cool!

  7. Paul says:

    I posted this over on Chucktv.net yesterday and Mel(who has seen the screener) responded:

    Quote from: armynurseboy on October 20, 2010, 06:37:46 PM
    (Me) So I’m standing by my assertion that the stand-off happens in the first act of the eps. Englund is likely in Burbank trying to sell his terror drug to Volkoff via Mama B. Mama B is likely there to take Chuck off the radar so Volkoff will leave him alone. The fight will be about a trust issue between C/S (my guess is still that Chuck doesn’t tell her about the fake shooting). And from the weekly promo, it sounds like once Frost is done with Chuck, she is going back off grid.

    BTW, from Frost’s retorts to C/S, I’m starting to think that she is still undercover within Volkoff industries and has to maintain that cover.

    (Mel)Yes, no, yes, yes & no, almost and yes.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Thanks for that. But does that mean that the C/S fight will happen in 4×06 itself and not in 4×07?

      • Paul says:

        From what I have gathered from the synopsis, the fight will occur in 4.06 (probably at the very end), but the after effects will be felt in 4.07.

    • joe says:

      I’m going to really speculate in a wild way and guess that they bring Langston Graham’s name into this.

      Beckman is in the dark about MEB because of his untimely death.

      • herder says:

        I had forgotten about Langston Graham, my guess was that eventually Beckman would have some role in the Mama B history. I do think that Mama B is sort of like an onion or a russian nesting doll, each layer that you get to is another secret until eventually they get to the core secret. 4.06 in an outer layer, one of the more apparant secrets, but that secret hides other, deeper secrets.

        In other words, what ever she is doing in this episode is in furtherance of some sort of cover that is intrisic to some deeper goal that she is persuing but that deeper goal may in itself be a cover for her real or ultimate purpose. At it’s core is the question of whether she is protecting Chuck or using him.

      • thinkling says:

        @Joe: I never liked Graham. Since he manipulated Sarah, it would be interesting to find out that he had done the same to Chuck’s mom. But I’m guessing that he is gone and forgotten.

        @Herder: Great analogy, spot on. I’ll go with the Russian nesting dolls. Is the heart of the last doll a mother’s love … or a grenade.

      • joe says:

        Heh! I sort of like Graham in the context of Chuck, Thinkling!

        They’re so good at bringing out the ambiguity of some characters. No one (not even Chuck and Sarah) is all good or all bad. They all have varying shades of gray built in, Langston included. He did save young Sarah from a life of crime, after all.

      • thinkling says:

        If he runs, kill him

        He served his country with honor. Now he will die to protect it.

        Eek, with friends like Graham, who needs enemies? Sorry Joe. I’m glad you sort of like him.

        There are many ways to help someone in young Sarah’s position, without taking advantage of her vulnerability to recruit her into the CIA. That said, maybe she had choices, but it doesn’t seem like it. Just from what we’ve seen, I don’t have many kind words for Graham.

        Of course, without all that we wouldn’t have “Chuck” … or Sarah, and obviously I love the Sarah character that was forged in this particular crucible. It’s what makes us love her and root for her. It’s what makes us so happy for her right now.

      • atcdave says:

        I thought we knew that Graham was an absolute monster, Thinkling neglected to mention the whole recruiting an underage girl to be an assassin bit (OK I’m exaggerating, she always considered herself one of the good guys). I’d say Beckman is no better, but I think they’ve deliberately “softened” her character; and we’re not supposed to hate her so much anymore. That’s harder on us fanatics who remember how many times she discussed killing Chuck in the first two seasons.

      • joe says:

        Gee, I never really thought of Graham as so evil, Dave & Thinkling. But you’re starting to convince me!

        Well, Graham isn’t all bad. I mean, he did help create Sarah Walker, too. To combine this little thread with the other, it almost seems like talking about pre- and post- Chuck Sarah isn’t telling the whole story. There’s also pre- and post- Graham Sarah, and really, pre- and post- Jack-the-con-man Sarah too. (That’s four Sarah’s if your keeping track 😉 ).

        And each of those men have left their mark, for good and for bad, on her. I tend to see Graham as her mentor, and certainly he was better for her than Casey intitially, who was okay in the pilot with “shooting the CIA skirt.”

        Yeah, he manipulated her, but no more than her father and maybe even Bryce. That was his job, after all. He used it as an opportunity to make her a world class spy, at least.

      • thinkling says:

        🙂 OK, Joe. You are designated to raise a glass to Graham at the Bartowski Thanksgiving dinner. You might want to remember to borrow Chuck’s bullet proof tie.

      • joe says:

        Done, Thinkling! 😉

        – Though I should probably wear something more like the vest Morgan wore when he thought Shaw was still alive!

      • thinkling says:

        Or the riot shield he had in castle for the Sarah interrogation. 🙂

      • atcdave says:

        Graham did help form Sarah; but I figured he just recognized the raw potential and worked around her “limitations” (like a conscience). When he deals with Sarah in the Pilot, he accommodates her conscience, but does nothing to encourage it. Later with the kill order, we’re led to think until 2.01 that its all the NSA; but he finally shows his own involvement with it when Casey starts trying to argue it.

        He was probably good for Sarah as a professional mentor, and he did actually give a life apart from that of a criminal.

        Not to beat a dead horse or anything… (still don’t like Graham!)

  8. Joanna says:

    why do you think the fight is for Mama B? Couples who work together fight.
    I’m thinking Chuck very courageous on missions, in an irresponsible way, this might be the reason for the fight or something simpler… things of couple, because fighting for Mama B, do not know … Neither one seems to trust her, Sarah has made it clear that this search is also hers.

    • Paul says:

      The speculation (and some of it has been confirmed) is that the core of the fight is trust between Chuck and Sarah. And the reason for that lack of trust is very likely to be Mama B (she is, after all, the only real significant plot development next eps).

    • atcdave says:

      I thought Zach (or maybe it was some other insider?) had specifically said Chuck and Sarah fight over MEB.

  9. Judy says:

    The synopsis says that Chuck goes on a rogue mission in 4.07 because he doesn’t want to confront Sarah after their first fight. What does he have to confront her about? It suggests that she did something wrong that he would have to call her on. Maybe turning in MEB?

    • herder says:

      Or maybe he has done something that he doesn’t want to have to explain to Sarah as he acted on gut or intuition rather than empirical evidence.

      • atcdave says:

        That was how I took it Herder. Somehow it just seems more likely that Chuck is the one to act rashly.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @Dave – Rashly? No. I will say on his instincts and heart.

        @herder – He does something (maybe trust Mama B) that causes the fight. He leaves on the rogue mission because he believes that if he faces her he may not be able to take the next step(like she may talk him out of it) – that’s just me spit balling

      • atcdave says:

        Instincts? I think Chuck is mostly rash. He acts from the heart not the brain. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes that’s the right move. And we can be sure in the end Chuck will be proven right to take a chance on his mom. But we also can be sure Sarah will be right about smelling a rat and Chuck is sure to get in a lot of trouble by rushing off without her.

      • thinkling says:

        Someone said that Chuck wished Sarah would trust him, his instincts or whatever. For Chuck it’s an issue of trust, which for him is subjective and sometimes blind.

        Sarah is 100% loyal to Chuck, which serves him better than blind trust. In this instance, the trust he is asking for (me spit-balling) would compromise her loyalty to him. It’s a paradox Chuck will have to realize later and learn to lean on.

    • joe says:

      Great question, Judy.

      Chuck’s been pretty conflicted these 3+ seasons and it’s almost his routine to get caught between his heart saying one thing and his head quite another.

      The good news is that so far is S4, he’s been much better at navigating that narrow path. I think that’s precisely why Gen. Beckman praised him in private; he rationally thought out a mission in detail and seemed to weigh the safety of his team appropriately, as far as she was concerned. (We know, of course, that in the end he came to rue the balance he chose.) I won’t be surprised to see that same dilemma come up.

      But is it possible that this time, it’s Sarah who wants to act on emotional instinct, and Chuck that wants to act purely rationally? When you consider the near anger in Chuck’s voice after Frost hangs up on him without even saying “good-bye”, it almost seems like that’s the set-up.

      If we see begrudging respect on Sarah’s part after facing down an obviously accomplished agent, then I’ll say that’s what’s happening.

      • thinkling says:

        It may be the backlash of Beckman’s praise, and Couch Lock’s danger to those who would never leave him, that contributes to his decision to risk only himself on the rogue mission.

        I think we will see both of them conflicted over Mama B. They may even go back and forth a bit, before the lines are drawn.

      • joe says:

        Both going back and forth? That could be exactly it, Thinkling! If so, it’ll take some very tight story-telling, dialog and direction to get it across. It’ll be confusing, if not – a dramatic risk!

        Boy, it’s hard for me to see Sarah as conflicted. She’s always seemed so certain and steadfast in her decisions. But that’s not the case, is it? She’s been plenty conflicted, and we see it in half-smiles at the fountain, in her decision to save Chuck rather than stick to Bryce and the mission in the ballroom, her anger when Chuck *doesn’t* run away with her…

        I’m really looking forward to seeing more of Sarah’s interaction with Mary Elizabeth!

      • thinkling says:

        Is it Monday, yet?

        I’d love to see ME in a hostage situation, with Sarah putting a bullet between the eyes of her captor.

      • atcdave says:

        Sarah’s conflicts have generally been of the professional vs. personal variety. This is shaping up to confuse those issues whichever way she turns; there’s a heavy dose of both in any decision.

      • JC says:

        @Joe

        I don’t know if they’ll explore this angle or not. But MEB in a way represents a possible future for Sarah. That could cause major internal conflict for her. From a professional stand point she would understand and possibly sympathize with the decisions MEB had to make. But personally leaving your children hits a nerve because of her past and the pain it caused Chuck and Ellie.

        It’d be interesting to see Sarah more understanding and trusting at first. But as the episode goes on have her realize she would never make those same choices.

      • thinkling says:

        That’s a good way of putting it, JC. Heather represented her past or her perception of her past self. She now knows for sure she is not that person.

        But could she become a Mary? Could she, having decided to progress toward a family with Chuck, end up sacrificing them, the way Mary did? One more issue for her to put to rest. Like you say, they may not go there, or not heavily.

        At some point, though, I’d like to know that Chuck and Sarah have charted a different course for themselves than the one followed by Chuck’s parents

      • joe says:

        I hear ya, JC. But personally, I hope not.

        You see, I’m still hearing Sarah’s words in Role Models; We’re not them.. I don’t think Chuck & Sarah will feel doomed to replaying Steven & Mary Elizabeth – I think they’re past that.

      • JC says:

        I understand that Joe but that line was about the Turners and I never saw the similarities between them and C/S.

        But Stephen and Mary that strikes very close to home.

      • atcdave says:

        I think they have to at least touch on the similarities, and the need to not repeat “the sins of the fathers (and mothers!)”. I also would hate for them to make too big a thing of it, let’s keep this comedy adventure first; but the situation needs to be at least acknowledged.

      • thinkling says:

        I agree with that Dave. Enough of a mention to dispatch the elephant in the room, without making us eat the elephant.

  10. joe says:

    I have a growing feeling – like a thick fog – that MEB is known as Frost for a reason. I’m going to speculate that her intransigence is huge. She may be impervious to both Chuck (the emotional side) and Sarah (the coldly rational side).

    There’s one other big player in the MEB saga that we’ve understated here, and I think that person will end up playing a huge role at the last minute.

    There’s nothing you two can’t fix if you work together.

    Will Frost be impervious to her maternal instincts?

    Now please forget my words. These are not the spoilers you have been seeking! 😉

    • thinkling says:

      Given the opening scene of Anniversary, I think she chose the name … and then proceeded to live up to it.

      I may have to eat my pesos, but I’ll be really surprised if Ellie knows about the mom stuff this week. And I’ll be super shocked if they meet this week. At this point Chuck and Sarah may not want Mama B anywhere near Ellie and their future niece.

      You’re absolutely right about one thing, though. It’s a thick fog!

      • thinkling says:

        Oops, random thought alert. About that future niece. It would be pretty funny if Chuck and Sarah had to deliver her.

      • joe says:

        Oh yeah, I think Ellie will be a factor very late in the arc (and I wish I hadn’t thought of it, in case it ruins the surprise! 😉 )

      • jason says:

        joe, is late in the arc, around 4×13 or 4×24? I like sarah lancaster, and have always hoped they would give her more, but so far, she has not been used well in this show, with a few exceptions. I would love to see her help bring the mary arc together. Maybe we will find out she intersected as a child too, and she delivers a timely swift kick to a baddie – probably not, but hey, a fellow can try?

        Am I right in guessing the show found out the news, more or less as 4.12 was being shot? I asked b4, but does it sound like 4.10 or 4.11 will be the last show before a long 4-6 week break for the holidays? You guys think the ‘family’ theme will last all 24 episodes, or will we get a new theme for the back 11?

      • thinkling says:

        Say around Thanksgiving, Joe.

        And speaking of, I can’t make head or tail of the timeline, trying to line up holidays and the 9 months of pregnancy. I give up.

      • joe says:

        @Jason, I agree with Thinkling here. My suspicion is that the arc was planned for the November sweeps from the beginning and was meant to be resolved by Thanksgiving. What that means for 4.12 – 4.13, I have no idea (but I *do* have my hopes).

        Is it unreasonable to assume that they knew about the extended Holiday break (uh – December?) from the beginning and built it into the script? We didn’t know, but I can’t think of anything that would make NBC do this in an unplanned sort of way.

        That would be unprofessional of them! 😉

        @Thinkling They’ve certainly dropped anything like a close approximation of real-time, haven’t they! I’m forgetting the details (there’s that fog, again! 😉 ) but one episode clearly had a 1-day gap for our 7 day interval.

        But if I can live with Star Trek’s time travel, I can live with that!

      • thinkling says:

        My guess is a Volkoff arc follows the Mary arc, presumably with ME added to Team B to bring him down?

      • atcdave says:

        I think we’ll see some sort of resolution by 4.10 or 4.11 (maybe MEB arc resolved in 4.10 with Volkoff resolved in 4.11?); and then 4.12 and 4.13 will be stand alones, maybe with a hook into whatever comes next but no real development (like Ring II introduced the MEB arc).

        I’m basing this entirely on the idea they would want to finish most of the story in November, and had little idea how many episodes (if any) they would have for whatever comes next.

        So that means I expect an all new main arc for the back 11. Hey I can SWAG with the best of them!

      • jason says:

        here is my guess as to the schedule
        10/25 – 4.6
        11/1 – 4.7
        11/8 – no show, matt lauer special
        11/15 – 4.8
        11/22 – 4.9
        11/29 – 4.10
        12/6 – 4.11
        sometime in mid january – 4.12

        since 4.11 is called the balcony, what an ending would ‘sarah, will you marry me’ make, with chuck on the ground and sarah on a balcony, with no answer given, just a cut – maybe with MEB holding a gun to sarah’s head in the shadows, telling her to say no, for chuck’s own good, for some nefarious reason or another that only seems to exist in the world of chuck

      • jason says:

        @dave – I think volkov will be the back 11’s big baddie, and meb will not fully play out or reveal until 4.13, given linda h’s interest in continuing on, maybe mary will join the hunt for volkov in the back 11?

      • atcdave says:

        I’d buy some of that Jason, but I think we’ll know MEB is a complete good guy by 4.10 (Thanksgiving episode).

        I’d be okay with seeing the Volkoff arc extended, so far he’s a credible baddie and we haven’t even met him yet! I just think that since they had no idea how much show was left when they started this, That Volkoff is probably meant to wrap up sooner; my guess is November sweeps.

      • Faith says:

        Right. It’s official. No new Chuck on the 8th of Nov. But there will be new Chase, Event :/

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @Faith- Dang! about Nov 8 not being Chuck day.Now if 4×07 ends with C/S still on outs with each other, it’s going to be a torturous fortnight.

        Which reminds me – C/S fight in 4×07, are split up in 4×08 due to extenuating circumstances. When do they make up? At the end of 4×07? Or 4×08 or 4×09? Any rumor regarding this?

      • atcdave says:

        hmmmm, 4.07 was kind of what I was expecting to be the low point emotionally. Bummer.

      • jason says:

        12-6 is already the NBC xmas sing off, so episode 4-10 in November will be the last episode Chuck before the xmas break, chuck vs the leftovers. I sure hope that episode leaves the fan base in a better spot than the olympic failure of 3.7’s perversions, miseries and bitterness.

      • atcdave says:

        I don’t think we’ll see anything that unsettling this season Jason. The worst we’ll get is an incomplete arc that may have a more traditional cliff hanger.

  11. jason says:

    Am I the only one spec’ing that the first fight will occur in episode 4.7, and that 4.6 will end on a happy CS note, same as 4.1 thru 4.5?

    My orig spec was the 4.7 first fight leads to a split up of CS, and chuck get paired with riddle in 4.8, then chuck gets in trouble and sarah comes to his rescue in 4.9. Still think that is more or less how things will go, at least for now.

    • thinkling says:

      Good reminder Jason. Maybe we’re getting ahead of ourselves. I hope you’re right about the happy note, or at least a good note. Happy may not be a bit optimistic considering the formidable MEB presence. I can well imagine that where Mary goes, conflict follows, if there are any survivors, that is.

      Our speculations may be running together a bit, but I think it’s very possible that the events of 4.06 setup a fertile context for all sorts of internal and external conflict over Mama B.

      • thinkling says:

        Correction: Happy may be not optimistic

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        it’s very possible that the events of 4.06 setup a fertile context for all sorts of internal and external conflict over Mama B.

        Conflicts,which will start manifesting themselves from 4×07 onwards. We know that C/S are separated in 4×08 – I am guessing it will be due to Chuck’s rogue mission in 4×07 and not the C/S fight. Wonder when the synopsis of 4×08 comes out.

    • atcdave says:

      Not sure I followed you two there…

      I’m thinking 4.06 will end okay, but we will likely see the seeds of discord planted. Things may get ugly for a bit in 4.07 and that MAY end on a sour note. By 4.08, even if Chuck and Sarah are physically apart, they will regret their dispute and want to be together again.

      If I even come close on that I’m treating myself to a Diet Coke! (which is different from a normal day because…)

      • herder says:

        The more that I think about it the more that I am not that concerned about Chuck and Sarah being seperated, so long as it is done correctly. They have a fight and Chuck goes rogue rather than face Sarah, not all that suprising, neither of them like conflict with the other, avoidance is a strategy for both of them.

        So long as they both realize that no issue is worth them being apart and they strive to get back together all is good. Desperate Chuck and Sarah willing to go any lengths to be reunited would be good to see. One of the complaints about last year was that once she was apart from Chuck Sarah seemed to be tethered by some sort of invisible rope to Shaw, if instead we saw what lengths she would go to to get Chuck back it could be good.

        Sarah was always a woman of action not words, so far this year she has been mostly words with some symbolic action (unpacking ect). Last year she said that sometimes it is good to know what you stand to lose, this year maybe we get to see what she will do so as to not lose what she has. Off the books rescue, blackmailing cooperation, burning assets, what would Sarah do to get Chuck back, I suspect almost anything, there will be no bland acceptance of a 49b ruling this time around.

        Similarly Chuck, having screwed up, what will he do to put things right, where does Sarah fit in his priorities. It’s the old saw about if your mother and wife are drowning and you can only save one, which do you save. Last year once he (finally) decided that he wanted Sarah, he set out to do that, but there was no sacrifice, this time around he may have to make a choice between what he wants as to which is more important.

        There is a lot of really good stuff that can done with this plot line.

      • atcdave says:

        yeah, I agree with all that.

  12. DaveB says:

    It’s always fun to speculate on what’s going to happen. This week we certainly have more fodder to guess on. The whole issue of a “nightmare” drug allows all speculations to come true, but not really. Chuck can get shot, again and again…um, for instance…

  13. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    OK – to be fair and honest – I didn’t read all of the postings [ my brain started to cramp up]
    But riddle me this…. with all the talk this season about Chuck finding his mom…. Wouldn’t you think a boyfriend – would ask his girlfriend SOMETHING about her own mother??? – at least once?
    I don’t know if its just the way they have framed the writing this season – but I’ll pick on Chuck before I start laying blame in other places…
    Dispite the secrecy of Sarah’s past – you’d think that he’d at least bring it up briefly… and moreover – she’d at least appreciate his thoughtfulness to ask her about what happened. Maybe TPTB don’t want us to move in that direction yet – but it seems to be rather conspicuous by its absence.

    • JC says:

      It’s just one of those things the show does. Sarah’s past is important to Chuck at certain points when it’s needed but other times it doesn’t matter.

      Think about it the no secrets rule is completely ridiculous considering almost everything about Sarah is a secret or lie.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      I believe TPTB have relegated a possible story of Sarah’s mom to Season 5 – they actually said this in an interview. When asked if we will see/hear about Sarah’s mom, they said ” Maybe in Season 5″.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        Couldn’t a back 11 be considered a S5?

      • atcdave says:

        That’s interesting Joseph. It is possible such a large back order will let them do some things they expected to put off until S5; especially since I don’t believe they ever intended to do a BIG story for Sarah’s mom.

        My bet is they’re only just starting to figure it out themselves.

    • gameagain says:

      I agree. Sarah is still a cypher to us and – by extention – Chuck. Unless it happened off-screen, she still has not revealed her real name to Chuck, as well as any personal details about her past, her family, her childhood, etc. Heck, we don’t really know Sarah’s non-spy hobbies or interests. What does she like to do during her downtime? It’d be interesting to see her painting or reading or anything personal that’s non-spy/non-Chuck related at this point. We know more about Casey’s family and interests (tiny little trees) than Sarah’s at this stage.

      Heck, they could hint at it in the show and I’d be fine with it – that WE are still in the dark even though Chuck now knows more. (“Sarah, this reminds me of that story you told me about your sister…”)

      • joe says:

        I agree with the sentiment, gameagain. We still know very little. I was rather surprised in The Anniversary that 6 months or so had elapsed without anything about that time being made known, except that Morgan and Chuck spent money looking for Mary Elizabeth.

        Sometimes I’m amazed at how much story they tell in 42 min 23 seconds of air time. The show is packed with adventure, humor and romance. But that seems to come with a price, and our knowledge of Sarah’s inner life is certainly part of that.

      • thinkling says:

        I assume that Sarah and Chuck have talked about Sarah’s past, but that those conversations are not germane to the story being told right now … like many, many other conversations and dinners and grocery shopping. In Role Models, Sarah says, “You know how I grew up …” implying that she has told him more than we know. I trust her integrity to play by the house rules: no secrets, no lies. I can’t remember any lies on her part since they have been together.

        I would like to know more, and I think it’s a little odd that no mention has ever been made of her mother. I don’t, however, assume that our not knowing stuff means that she is still hiding those things from Chuck.

        A mother conversation would be a great Ellie/Sarah fountain scene, no?

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        Thinkling, I understand what your saying and also that the show is called “Chuck”, but for many the most compelling character on the show is Sarah. It’s nice that Sarah has offscreen discussions with Chuck (and others) but some Sarah information thrown the fans way would be nice every once in a while. I agree with gameagain, IMO Sarah has never told Chuck her real name (and she won’t have until I hear it). I’m actually surprised with all the neurosis floating between the two that it hasn’t come up.

        Who knows maybe we (read “I”) attach far far too much value to the name, the bracelet, the Tron poster, etc.

      • JC says:

        I have to disagree with that Thinkling, if this was any other show we could assume that. But this Chuck, so if you don’t see it or the characters talk about it I doubt it’s been discussed.

        The “You know how I grew up” line has grown tiresome. Its become an easy out for the writers when issues from Sarah’s past are mentioned. They don’t actually explore the issue instead they sweep it under the rug.

        @Joe

        Don’t you think there’s something wrong when the female lead and likely the most popular character isn’t given the same amount of character depth as Casey or Morgan?

      • atcdave says:

        I wouldn’t be surprised either way. I’m perfectly willing to assume Sarah has come clean about a lot of details. But it will never surprise me if the writers use some past detail to cause angst. And I think its reasonable to assume Chuck knows “Samantha Lisa” something. He probably guessed it wasn’t Burton when he learned it wasn’t Jenny. Whether Chuck knows her real last name or not is a pure guess. I’ve long thought the last name should be revealed at a special time and lead directly to an important flash. But the way Samantha was revealed told us all that TPTB don’t care nearly as much about these characters as we do. So I pretty much have no expectations at all at this point.

        And I think its a darn shame Schwedak and company don’t care as much as we do. Sarah is, AT WORST, equally important as Chuck to fans. But I don’t believe TPTB have ever seen it that way, and Sarah’s story will always be neglected.

        I’m hoping I’m wrong. But I agree its completely insane that we get more back story for Casey and Morgan than we do for Sarah. I’m sure you all are tired of hearing me bring up fan fiction; but if you want a snap shot of what other fans want to examine, read some. Fan fics are overwhelmingly Chuck/Sarah oriented. Casey gets some attention but in most stories he is a bit player. And with over 2100 Chuck stories at fanfiction.net, there isn’t more than a handful that make Morgan anything other than a background character. To me, that says a lot about what fans care about.

      • godot says:

        Sarah has never really asked Chuck anything about HIS life, either. Chuck’s story has always been given to us as plot or exposition. Except for the pilot, during the date, Sarah never asks.

        It may be one of the few things TPTB have been terrifically about: The Sarah character lives entirely in the present. She doesn’t talk about her past OR inquire about anyone else’s unless it is mission-related.

      • thinkling says:

        For the record, Sarah is my favorite character and by far the most compelling, layered, and interesting. I think Dave is right that TPTB don’t (or refuse to) attach as much importance to her as to Chuck. I get that they can’t turn the show into “Sarah.” But I’m as much in favor of exploring Sarah’s past and her character as anyone.

        All I’m saying is that, since the “Sarah dam” is a show runner issue, I give Chuck and Sarah the benefit of the doubt for some normal couple interaction. Like Dave said, TPTB may bring up surprise details at any time for their own machinations, so I’ll go with the flow, content to think that C/S are not as stifled or limited as what’s been presented.

        I agree with Dave that the best way to launch a mini (or maxi) Sarah arc would be a Chuck flash on some new detail of her past. The flash should uncover something that even she doesn’t know … a mystery worthy of a Team Bartowski search.

      • atcdave says:

        Isn’t it interesting though how we all can find Sarah the most compelling character while at the same time she she seems poorly served? I think the staff writers like her better than the head writers, combined with a dynamite performance. Who knows, maybe the very fact she’s under-written leads to some of the feeling of intrigue that we can’t resist. But yeah, I think even calling her equally important to Chuck may be selling her short.

      • JC says:

        I’ve probably said this multiple times but the intrigue and mysteriousness about Sarah’s character seems to be a product of her inconsistent characterization.

        That’s why I doubt we’ll get any real insight or knowledge about her. She’s far too effective of a plot device when it comes to Chuck. The TPTB can make her act anyway they want episode to episode, even if it contradicts itself.

        Has any of her character growth not been attached to Chuck in some way? Has it ever benefited her solely as a character or just served a purpose to push Chuck or the story forward.

      • atcdave says:

        I’m not quite that cynical JC. The only gross inconsistancies I saw involved most of S3, primarily in the way she gave up on Chuck. It was without precident and seems very different from the strength of her devotion we’ve seen since 3.14.

        I would agree most of her growth is tied directly to Chuck; but that’s kind of the point. She started as professional and career focused, and over the course of the series has “thawed out” and become more of a “normal” person. Now I would agree the change has not always been perfectly linear, like she waffles back and forth through much of her change. And its not like she was a total iceberg at the beginning either; after all she is the one who kept Chuck out of the bunker in the Pilot, and always showed a personal level of concern for Chuck’s well being. Of course much of that could just be the job of a good “handler”; the sure growth she has shown involved choosing Chuck over orders, and we first saw huge growth of that type in Marlin; which lead to the epic moments of First Kill and Honeymooners.

        So I think there is an overarching growth pattern, it just sometimes gets lost in the details.

      • thinkling says:

        Ditto, Dave. I would also add that most of Chuck’s growth has been directly or indirectly b/c of Sarah: Sarah his handler, Sarah his friend, Sarah the woman who believes in him, and Sarah the woman he loves.

      • joe says:

        @Joe

        Don’t you think there’s something wrong when the female lead and likely the most popular character isn’t given the same amount of character depth as Casey or Morgan?

        It’s a good point, JC. But I’m not sure that’s really the case. When you get right down to it, Casey and Morgan have been pretty much “cartoon characters,” no where near as human as Chuck and Sarah.

        But man, is *that* a subjective statement! Really, a man-boy with a supercomputer in his head??? A fantastically hot looking super-spy??? That’s no more realistic than the “cold-school”, killing-machine half-robot that Casey is, nor any more realistic than the Halo obsessed woman-repellent, “mad work-avoiding skills” slacker that Morgan *was*. And that same kid turned into a more loyal version of Robin the Boy Wonder??? Absurd! And I believe every bit of it.

        All these characters should strain the credulity, so I can’t quite say that Sarah has less depth than, say, Casey. I’m obviously willing to go down the path with them, though. Sarah’s certainly an enigma, and I doubt I’ll ever know enough about her. But the mystery sure keeps me coming back week after week! 😉

      • joe says:

        @Dave, I’m becoming convinced that the writers and creators don’t want us to think in terms of Sarah’s “real” name any more. Seems like her last name was never really all that important (and Jack goes by Burton anyway).

        I think that was the take-away when Sarah told Heather positively, definitely in Cubic-Z, – It’s Sarah Walker, and don’t you forget that!

        That was a statement about her identity, I’m sure.

      • atcdave says:

        I think you’re right Joe; Walker and Bartowski may be the only last names that ever matter to her. Of course I would have thought that long before the “Sam” reveal too, so go figure. And just because it doesn’t matter to her, doesn’t mean her birth name won’t come into play at a later date.

      • Godot says:

        Be careful what you wish for here. The entire mythology of the Sarah character that we know and love rests on Sarah essentially being “created” when she meets Chuck.

        Every glimpse of the “Sam” backstory will, by definition, make you feel bad for the character or dislike the character. Bad because she was manipulated by her father and the CIA. Unlikeable because the Nacho Sampler ret-con positioned her as a cold, calculating Carina-style agent.

        This is actually why Fake Name falls so flat. Sarah wanting to remember who she used to be is totally inconsistent with her backstory. The pre-Chuck Sam takes the shot even when it is dangerous to her lover (Break-up). The pre-Chuck Sam coldly kills the French assasins before they can get her (Helicopter). The pre-Chuck Sam heard Chuck Bartowski’s situation and thought she could manipulate him (Nacho Sampler).

        The original pilot script treated the “Sarah” character a little more sympathically. She had talked to Bryce about Chuck and knew his good and trusting nature. She was already wishing for/admiring a loving family life. But all that dialogue and exposition was cut, so we have to deal with the “good” Sarah who is “created” in the ballerina moment.

        That said, a normal show (i.e., one that assumes a traditional front 13 and isn’t fearful of a full-season pickup) would have delved into the issue of Sarah’s mother BEFORE we met Chuck’s mother. That’s what Chuck did with the dad issue in Season 2, in fact. But since TPTB were NOT particular confident of a full Season 4, the story arc goes right to Chuck’s mother. So that’s why you didn’t get Sam’s mom backstory this season before Mama Bartowski.

        Still, if they now address the Sam-mother issue in the back 11 or in a Season 5, the story cannot be happy. Sam’s mother a) died; b) abandoned her; or c) was manipulated into giving her up to Jack Burton. It’s all sad. The only possible exception: Sam’s mom was the family anchor and, when the mom dies or disappears, a disillusioned Jack Burton takes Sam on the con. But that’s not particularly upbeat, either. It’s still tragic.

        I’m not saying it wouldn’t make for some interesting storytelling, but it will be sad and it won’t add too much to the mythology. Allison Adler’s backstory episodes about Sam tell us all we need to know about the Sarah character’s basic motivations.

      • thinkling says:

        Joe & Dave, I agree. Chuck is the most important person in her life, and she has always been Sarah to him. Add to that the fact that she probably regrets all things Shaw, especially telling him her real name, and I think she’s happy (finally) as Sarah Walker.

        One footnote to the original node of this thread. Why would Sarah necessarily need to tell Chuck her name (unless you mean last name)? He already knows, and she knows he knows.

      • jason says:

        thx godot, I tend to agree, I have no interest in sarah’s mom, call her a great person and make her dead, less than a 10 second conversation, or have sarah reveal it at thanksgiving, how lucky chuck and ellie were to have found their mother, and how she misses hers ever since her mom died when she was 5, and how happy and lucky she feels to have found a family of her own. Yvonne would nail it, and then they can move on to the engagement, the wedding, the superspy couple for 1, or 2, or 8 more seasons, and at the very end, leave the spy world and start a family.

      • jason says:

        we do know some things about sarah, she and her dad were grifters, she never had a real home, she was a fairly average looking girl and unpopular in HS, she was ‘pretty handy with a knife’ way before she went on her first ‘honeymoon’ with chuck, she was recruited as a minor with no legal guardian by the cia (essentially either taken advantage of or given the opportunity of a lifetime depending on your POV), and she became a world class spy at a very young age, regardless of your POV a real hero.

      • atcdave says:

        While I think Godot raises some valid concerns about the potential for darkness in Sarah’s backstory; I think the story can be told a variety of different ways, just like any fiction.
        I think so many of the worries about learning things we might not want to know are entirely a product of S3. The first two Sarah stories we got in S2, were among the most popular and best loved episodes of the series. Even though we were learning about a sad girl with no friends who was taken advantage of by her low-life father and trapped into a CIA job as a minor; the episodes still managed to be sweet and fun. The dark stories mentioned are all a product of S3; and for the record I mostly agree about your objections to those stories (I didn’t read Nacho Sampler in such cynical terms, I simply saw Sarah as having some misplaced cockiness in the beginning, in the context of the Pilot episode we know she was driven to do the right thing and fix the problem, in a way quite different from Casey), I just don’t think they would choose to go that dark again. TPTB have pointedly said this season will be more fun and less dark. I think a lot of fun can be had with reuniting Sarah with a mom her dad had swiped her from, or even background about Sarah’s training and early career could be played for fun, in spite of the fact her conscience wasn’t yet fully developed. Those are all choices made when the individual episode is written.

        Now for all that, its not even that important to me that we ever see much more about Sarah’s past. But I would love to see more stories told from her perspective. I think we’ll get some of that anyway, but there’s nothing like a Casey centered episode to make me a little worried about it (Undercover Lover was one of my favorites of S1, and even then I disliked that Sarah had so little to do!)

      • atcdave says:

        Thinkling, I do though, still want to hear Sarah say sometime how much she regrets all things Shaw. I guess I’m divided though, I’d also rather they never touched it again!

      • jason says:

        as a confirmed shipper, I can think of ways to write away all things shaw (Chuck – he hasn’t told anyone, but he is gay – because of that, while I was trying to figure things out with you and with myself, he was the safest man in the world’ for example), but even with the potential to do so, I would much rather just move forward, and act as if season 3 first 12 did not happen, have ellie and sarah have an adventure some episode instead.

      • atcdave says:

        That’s very funny Jason, Beard really did have a double meaning.

      • jason says:

        of course, ellie and sarah could have that adventure, and ellie could ask sarah what was going on with her and shaw, and sarah could reply, ‘daniel shaw was the safest man in the world for me to hang out with while I was figuring out things with chuck, shaw is gay, my first gift to him was a wok for goodness sake’ Ellie response, ‘a wok (with a snicker), didn’t you give chuck a bottle of old spice on your first date’ – sarah’s reply ‘exactly’ – old spice be a nice callback to 4×2 greta. ellie – ‘have you told chuck about shaw’, sarah, ‘I sure have, I have told chuck EVERYTHING about me, about my past, some things I am not very proud of, we have a policy, no secrets, no lies’, Ellie – “everything? No secrets? –
        Chuck is so lucky to have found you’ – ok, sorry for fan fic’ing on you guys, gotta run to a football party – more fun being a badger fan than a packer fan right now

      • thinkling says:

        I’m of a double mind on that, Dave. Part of me would love to have closure to the Shaw travesty. The other part of me doesn’t trust TPTB to handle it in a satisfying way. If they are not going to exonerate Sarah’s character or restore the sense of love and trust that was so badly eroded, then let the sleeping dog lie.

      • thinkling says:

        I think giving us tidbits of Sarah’s past via moments with Ellie would be great. Would be good for both of them and good for us. Win win win

      • JC says:

        @Joe

        I see what your getting at. But at the start of any story no matter the medium most characters come off as cartoonish. But as the story unfolds we see more and more layers unfold and the character becomes more real. The way shows do that is by giving us backstory or focusing on a certain character. Compare Chuck, Casey and Morgan to Sarah in that regard and we see the character is poorly served.

        @Dave

        Yeah I’m pretty cynical I know. But the way this show treats female characters really bothers me. And I agree a lot of the inconsistency came about in S3. But it also showed how blatant Sarah is used as a plot device. The whole issue about lying is a prime example. Chuck lied worse in those back six then he ever did on the show. So why wasn’t that about him changing or not being her Chuck? Was it because she was sleeping with him or because they needed her to be supportive? Either way it showed how they use her to move things forward on the show.

        @ Thinkling

        Why does Sarah need to tell Chuck her name? It’s just one of my personal gripes with the show. It seems like Sarah is the one character who never gets called our or has to face the repercussions of her actions. I admit S3 made this worse in my eyes, Sarah not showing any remorse for her actions and Chuck apologizing for everything left a bad taste in my mouth.

        Godot’s notion that the Sarah we know didn’t exist until she met Chuck really bothers me. What we did and who we were in our past shaped who we are today. If that’s the route the show is going, in some ways it means Sam is just playing another role.

      • joe says:

        Well stated, JC. No character is born fully formed in our minds, and you’re certainly right to say that her character isn’t as well served when you put it that way.

        But we sure do enjoy her anyway, enigmas and all!

      • thinkling says:

        JC, I concede that it would be nice to hear Sarah confess to Chuck that Shaw was a colossal mistake that she will always regret. Or to say that she is sorry she never told Chuck her name and that she regrets having told Shaw. But the name reveal itself is done, and everybody knows that everybody knows it. So, some other form of related closure would be better.

        Other than that, I do see Sarah bending and coming around in the relationship: moving in, ILY, unpacking, the answer would be yes. It’s not an apology, but it’s actively making up for her quirks that may have hurt Chuck somewhat.

        I’m trying to think, but I’m in a brain fog, here. What did Chuck apologize for in s3, other than Prague. And besides Shaw, what would you like to see Sarah account for?

      • atcdave says:

        JC, I think we’ve been pretty even around here about jumping on Chuck and Sarah in turn as they deserved it. Sarah caught a lot of heat during the Shaw arc. But she’s mostly been a good girl since; Chuck’s lies (and secrets) carry the sting of coming after they were “together” and have drawn more heat for that.

        Currently, at least until the MEB/Volkoff arc unfolds, they’re being well behaved!

      • JC says:

        @Joe

        All the credit goes to Strahovski, in the hands of a lesser actress Sarah could have been a hated character. I guess my problem is I see the potential for so much more when it comes to Sarah. All the makings are there for the new strong female character of this generation but the TPTB let it slip through their fingers. In the hands of different writers she could be the new Buffy.

        @Thinkling

        She doesn’t have to apologize for her relationship. What she does need to is for her treatment of Chuck, how everything he did was seen in the worse possible light. The Red Test for me is bigger than the name reveal. It was a blatant manipulation of Chuck and her reaction afterward was disgusting.

        Chuck’s speech in Am Hero. He’s says she was right about everything. The way the scene played to me was that everything he did in S3 was wrong and Sarah was completely justified in all her actions.

        @Dave

        I’m not talking about fan reaction to the characters. I mean in the context of the show. Sarah is never called out by other characters. Compare that to Chuck whose every mistake is thrown back in his face.

      • herder says:

        JC, the problem is who is going to call out Sarah, she doesn’t talk to anyone or confide in anyone. Chuck did call her out is Crown Vic “was the kiss about me…” but generally he doesn’t challenge her in that way. Casey does on occasion such as Pink Slip when he criticises how she dealt with Chuck and more recently in Cubic Z when he suggests that she talk to Chuck to get things back to normal.

        But if she doesn’t get close to anyone but Chuck, who else other than him has an opportunity to say anything to her. Really the only one recently to call her on anything was Heather Chandler who said said that Chuck seemed like a really nice guy who loved her but was she up to it.

        I can see Morgan saying something as he knows no boundries when it comes to Chuck and maybe Awesome as he tend to blurt out uncomfortable truths.

        The obvious one is Ellie so maybe the fact that we don’t see them talk is on purpose as the subject matter of any conversation would have to come around to Chuck. I can see Mama B saying something, not out of concern for Chuck but as a means of putting Sarah in her place (in Mama B’s world view).

      • joe says:

        Whoa! Interesting topic, Herder! Who can call Sarah out?

        Well, like you said, Casey can, has and will. But he only does so much of that. And the same goes for Carina. Ellie’s the one we all want to see in that role, but that’s not her history so far.

        Morgan, I think, is just too intimidated by Sarah. Mama B might be a great choice, the right combination of fearlessness, distance and concern (concern for everything Chuck, I mean) to do that effectively.

        But what about Alex? In my imagination I could see a great scene between Alex and Sarah, because even if she knows next to nothing about the history between Sarah and Chuck, she does stand firm about what she knows to be right. She’s in a great position to indirectly tell Sarah something about the ramifications of her past, even without knowing the details.

      • thinkling says:

        @JC: Credit to Strahovski for sure!! She made up (some) for the poor writing that served her own character so poorly. In fact, she’s so good, she does half their job for them, sometimes.

        Red test, yeah, ugly times for sure. That’s a conversation I hope they’ve had. As for Chuck’s speech in Am Hero, I interpreted it to mean that she was right about Prague … I’ll have to look at it with a new eye.

        All this points to what a mess they [TPTB] created, with no intention of really cleaning it up.

      • atcdave says:

        This is now the ultimate unwieldy thread!

        Okay, I get it now. Chuck and Casey are the only regulars who might call Sarah out for something. Although a return by Carina could be interesting.

        The whole Red Test situation was just ugly. It was a stupid idea poorly executed, like much of S3. I’ll agree Yvonne’s anguished performance might be the only reason the audience can forgive Sarah for her role. Perhaps TPTB banked on exactly that. Perhaps they’re just dumb as soap. Given how the rest of the season went I’m leaning towards the soap.

      • JC says:

        @Thinkling

        I guess I saw it that way because of Sarah not being called out for actions. Week after week either Ellie, Morgan or Sarah harped on Chuck for his actions. While Chuck never pointed out their mistakes. By the end of Am Hero I was banging my head on the table.

        That’s not to say I don’t want people to call out Chuck but he should be able to do the same. The show holds him to a higher standard than other characters.

        Honestly what I think happened was that whatever they had intended for S3 got so jumbled nothing made sense. What they intended and what was shown on screen were so completely different people didn’t know what to make of things.

  14. gameagain says:

    I’d just like to know three things about MEB:
    1. Did she know Morgan before she disappeared? Chuck mentions that Morgan came by when his mom left and they played Zelda, so I assume Morgan was a childhood visitor and would have met MEB a few times in the past.
    2. How will MEB react when she hears of Papa B’s death? Depending on how close they were, that could prove to be an interesting reveal – especially if they were the Chuck?Sarah of their time, as we’ve speculated.
    3. And most interesting: Does she know of the Intersect? I assume Papa B was working on the prototype while she was still around. Not sure of the timeline, but was Chuck exposed to the early Intersect before MEB left? If so, that would mean Papa B was working on the Intersect while she was home, and that (I assume) he mentioned his progress as well as Chuck’s exposure to it.

    • thinkling says:

      1. Morgan has been Chuck’s best friend since he was 5 or 6, according to Beard; so, yes, MEB knew him. Plus she saw him with Chuck in the safe house.
      2. I’m wondering that, too. How will she react when she learns that Papa B died in Chuck’s arms?
      3. She’s bound to know about the intersect, b/c he was working on it when Chuck broke the necklace a couple of days before she split. I don’t know if she knows that Chuck uploaded it, but it was all around the same time period.

  15. Faith says:

    I didn’t know where to put this but I had a great laugh at it, I figure you guys will too:

  16. Waverly says:

    So no one has any speculation on how MEB is related to the nightmare-inducing toxin scare?

    Is it another Volkoff product (under development) and MEB knows about it?

    • joe says:

      The only thing that’s been put forth is the indirect connection, Waverly. – that Chuck being shot by his mother is a nightmare (Whose, I wonder?) caused by the toxin.

      We’re all guessing in the dark here! 😉

    • atcdave says:

      I really have no idea how Englund will connect to the mom/Volkoff arc. I’d almost think he might just be a random baddie of the week; except, that’s too much going on with Mom’s return, Jeffster at the Buy More and Honey visiting.

      Somehow he has to tie in directly to one or more of the other plots (I say Honey Woodcomb, nothing says deadly nightmare to me like Honey woodcomb).

    • JC says:

      I think it’d be interesting if Team B has reached an almost mythical status even with the bad guys. So to make a name for themselves or their weapons they want to be the one to take them out.

      • thinkling says:

        I like that idea JC. I loved it when Vincent said Carmichael … I’ve heard of you

        That could tie in nicely with MEB, too … finding out her son is the legendary Carmichael

      • atcdave says:

        Well that, or the legendary ghost who expertly uses public transportation…

      • thinkling says:

        I’d love to see some Mary revelations about Chuck and who he has become — the master spy, Carmichael, with a heart. And I’d love to see her growing respect for Sarah, to the point she might tell Chuck, “You picked a good one.” I know they have a balance to strike with MEB, but it is about family, after all.

    • Paul says:

      Don’t think so. From the “confirm” that Mel did on my specs earlier this week, it may be that Englund being in CA at the same time is just a coincidence….unless Frost had something to do with it (ie she is going to take him out).

  17. rac2873 says:

    Here is some pics from 4.07. Notice who is in the those pics. I am thinking the first fight might be more comical than ugly.

    I am thinking angst light now when they get split up that will be angstier.

    http://zacharylevifan.com/wordpress/?p=5717

    • thinkling says:

      Great pics. Thanks, rac. It seems to answer a question or two, but I’m sure they will create as many questions as they answer. 😉

    • JC says:

      Interesting, its looks like they’re in a bank. Maybe he’s after a safety deposit box that has some info about his mother or her mission.

  18. OldDarth says:

    Whatever happens in 4.06 at least Chuck does not lie according to Mel’s Friday Five spoilers. Thank goodness.

    • atcdave says:

      Yeah, that’s always good news. I was pleased from the clips to see Sarah is involved in Chuck’s first meeting with mom. I lot of what I’d worried about between seasons is not coming to pass (man the difference a season makes!).

    • thinkling says:

      Yes! Lying heads my lets-not-EVER-do-that-again list. And I’m guessing from the preview that Sarah is the only one he tells in the beginning. Even better. No offense to the bearded wonder, but this is long overdue.

  19. herder says:

    So Honey Woodcombe is coming to check up on the preparations for the arrival of her awesome grand-child, who wants to bet that part of the reason for her arrival is that poor Ellie has no mother to look to for advice. My guess is that Honey is part of the reason that she and Awesome go looking into the Bartowski family past next episode.

    Ellie really has no female family members to rely on with first hand advice about being a mother, Mama B is gone, Honey is, well, too awesome and Sarah, may as well ask the cat.

    I like the possibility of this sub-plot, it gives Sarah Lancaster something other than being the nag. It will be interesting when Mama B first shows up, is she interested in Chuck only – espionage reasons for her return- or is she interested in both Chuck and Ellie meaning she has returned for family reasons.

    That plus the vision of Ellie doing a slow burn at the interference of Honey has great comic possibilities. Ellie is a strong character who only gets to show that from time to time, anything that allows the character to show her strengths is ok in my view.

    • thinkling says:

      I love all the family stuff heating up: Ellie’s slow burn over Honey and Sarah’s armed show down with MEB … and all the spy stuff: MEB, Tuttle, Volkoff, Chuck & Sarah. Seriously, what show plays so well at both ends of the spectrum. The mother-in-law conflicts could play so well off of each other and push Sarah and Ellie into the same fox hole … where they may be surprised to find out how well they understand and encourage each other.

      I think MEB may have two returns. The first, 4.06, is probably more espionage related, maybe with family implications. After taking care of business, I think she will come back a second time in more of a family capacity. But I don’t think Martha Stewart should feel threatened. 😉

    • Faith says:

      I’m imagining a similar scene to the end of Seduction where Chuck, all montgomeried goes on his merry way to see Sarah and then who comes to open the door? Bryce!

      Except this time, Bryce is not Bryce, instead it’s Timothy Dalton. And it’s not Sarah that he’s coming to see but his mom. Pum, pum, purum!

    • joe says:

      I have my guess, Faith – I suspect it’s something we’ve already seen in the promos.

      But it’ll have a new impact in it’s proper context!

      • atcdave says:

        I’ll buy that Joe, I’m just glad we have another episode on 11/1!

      • Faith says:

        Cliffhanger shooting? Nah, small beans 😉

        Seriously though you may be right. But the possibilities are endless. We could very well have the end of this epi be the fight…hence the synop. of First Fight. *bites nails*

      • joe says:

        Oh, I thought I was being subtle with you guys! You’re too sharp tonight. 😉

        I’ll keep your scenario in mind when I watch tomorrow, Faith. And chewin’ nails right there with you.

      • herder says:

        I’m wondering if it isn’t something that turns what we have seen in the rest of the episode on it’s head. Perhaps Mama B arrives, says that she is there to save Chuck from Volkov, sets up the fake shooting and then says her work is done and leaves. Then at the end they find out via surveillance tape that she has cleaned out information or stolen Freddy Krueger’s toxin for Vollkov.

      • joe says:

        Wow – That would be an awfully good script, Herder! I rather like it!

        But how would the Tim Dalton character fit in? He’s helping Mary Elizabeth in the deception, perhaps? Then we find out that the two (um, the CIA and MI-6) are double-dealing Volkoff?

      • thinkling says:

        @Faith: That’s a possibility. Then 4.07 would be the aftermath of the fight. I wouldn’t mind so much if the fight were the tail end of 4.06. At least that way it would be over and done with before the break. (Although, ideally the fight would be contained in 1 ep — 4.07)

        Either way, piecing things together from the synopsis and the pics, it has to be the very end of 4.06 or very early in 4.07. The synopsis says that Chuck’s rogue mission (which is after the fight) leads him to Tuttle. Now, the pics that someone posted show all 4 of them (C/S/MEB/GT) together (and I hope we get a lot of all four of them together — best use of 4 great characters/actors). This all gives me hope that the fight won’t carry over to other eps. I would prefer not to end 07 on an emotional cliffhanger.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah I’d much prefer a more traditional cliff hanger for our week off; like Chuck captured or something, we had enough emotional cliff hangers last season to last a life time.

  20. Faith says:

    Just read this and I’m reminded of the conversation we had at length awhile back:

    Will we see any Ellie and Sarah girl chat bonding?
    SL: Good question. I don’t know. I think Yvonne and I would both be excited about that. It’s just a matter of the writers bringing it together. You never see any of Ellie’s friends or other girl friends. I don’t know, maybe Yvonne has to do the baby shower, which I’m sure she would have no idea how to proceed with that.
    RM: That’d be hysterical. Yes. That’s really funny actually. And you know what? Just having those two on screen at the same time would definitely boost our ratings, so we’d all welcome that.”

    Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/show-patrol/2010/10/ryan-mcpartlin-sarah-lancaster-talk-baby-awesome-other-chuck-fun.html

    I wish!

    • herder says:

      Well they did do the bachelor party for Awesome so a baby shower for Ellie would seem to be a natural. I could see Sarah being lost about how to go about it and ending out turning to Morgan for advice (he seems to have odd pockets of information). The problem is who would they invite, the only female characters are Ellie and Sarah, maybe Alex, Honey Woodcombe and Mama B, can’t see the General being invited and I think they are saving Carina for the engagement/wedding.

      • Faith says:

        Could be anyone I think. They can have random friends of Ellie and discover that one of them actually works for Volkoff or something.

        I’m really more intrigued at the idea of Sarah planning it. From the deleted scenes of S2, she’s a good planner but not so good at dealing with Ellie and normalcy lol.

      • atcdave says:

        Back in S1 they filled the apartment for party scenes a couple times. I always figured it was mainly friends co-workers of Ellie and Devon. We had three other anonymous bridesmaids at the wedding too. It shouldn’t be too big a deal to add a few female extras to the mix for a big baby shower scene.

        I’m thinking Sarah would not be the one to plan it, surely Ellie has a civilian friend who would be better suited. But just imagine something about what Sarah does for a living getting out at the party. Or heck, baby shower hostage situation; that could be fun.

      • JC says:

        Sarah going to Morgan for advice opens the door for so many opportunities. Keep Sarah out of the spy story for an episode and have her teamed up with Morgan and Alex which would inevitably lead to Big Mike and the rest of Buy Morians.

        Showing Sarah dealing with the problems normal people face would be great comedy and character growth.

      • jason says:

        morgan is near infinite in heroism, brains, wit, this season’s overwritten character, but sarah’s best friend & go to guy is a master planner and he just happened to have planned ellie’s wedding, and he is funnier in having to deal with ‘lady feelings’ than morgan ever would be

      • thinkling says:

        Great idea Jason!! Casey and his mighty men planning a baby shower. ROTFL

      • atcdave says:

        I do love the idea of Sarah being cornered into doing normal girl stuff. That would be an excellent “Sarah centered” episode, they wouldn’t even have to delve into Sarah back story; just Sarah trapped in Ellie’s world for a day or two.

      • JC says:

        Yep, think how much better Morgan and Ellie were once they were involved in the spy world. The opposite would work for Sarah by putting in her in the civilian world for an episode. Its why Alex was such a fantastic addition to the cast, it grounded Casey into a normal life some of the time.

    • joe says:

      Oh, that’s such a cute interview, Faith! Thanks.

      I love the idea of Chuck’s first babysitting mission. He’d have to flash to acquire diaper changing skills. 😉

  21. thinkling says:

    @Faith: thanks for the link. That’s a great article.

    I especially liked their discussion of the contrast between the Woodcomb normal life and what Chuck and Sarah have … and how necessary that contrast is, as opposed to getting Ellie and Awesome fully engaged in the spy world.

    Right now, it gives us the Sarah freak-out factor. And that can continue, as Ellie and Awesome’s family life progresses. Sarah will warm up to one aspect, only to be horrified by another. This is great fodder for comedy and for Sarah being heart warmed.

    Even with married Chuck and Sarah, this contrast can provide entertainment for a LONG time, b/c as Chuck said, they are never going to have a normal life.

    • thinkling says:

      One other funny mention in that interview was to have Chuck babysit and discover that babysitting skills are in the 2.0. I say they’re all in there but one. Oops no dirty diaper info in the intersect. Come on … flash … flash.

      It would actually be good to have that as a Chuck and Sarah adventure … piece of cake, right.

      • joe says:

        Heh! You beat me to this, Thinkling! Funny stuff!

      • atcdave says:

        That would be very funny. I think Sarah’s ultimate horror with domestic life would be trading the Porsche for a mini-van. Even trading the Boxter for a Cayenne might rattle her cage!

      • thinkling says:

        @Dave: Never gonna happen. Maybe Dianne can be persuaded to replace the Nerd Herder with a Cayenne for Chuck.

      • atcdave says:

        Or maybe Chuck gets the Chrysler Town and Country while Sarah hangs on to the Boxster. Chuck would be easier to domesticate than Sarah. I like the image of them as an unconventional odd couple at all times; even up to the little-league soccer coach who’s terrified of Sarah and tries to seek Chuck out…

      • thinkling says:

        I do love all the possibilities. Sarah will never be completely domesticated. She will accommodate domestic life to her bents and skills, not the other way around. This will be funny forever, seeing Sarah’s way of doing just about everything, yet still being a good wife and mom … just VERY different.

      • jason says:

        We won’t get that far I am sure (season 12 maybe?), but my fav would be sarah’s little angel getting bullied by little Bruno out on the soceer field, with a dick butkus type dad, who is equally as bullying from the sideline, this happens thousands of times every weekend in the USA, only very sledom does the ‘little angel’ have a soceer mom capable of ‘fitzwalding’ the crew cut middle linebacker obnoxious dad, dolph lundren got it twice in the anniversary, sarah fitzwalded him, then mary ‘mausered’ him, too bad really, I liked him as a villain

      • atcdave says:

        Jason, Thinkling; we’ve had this discussion a few times, always lots of fun. I think we really wouldn’t see a spawn of Chuck/Sarah before season 7 or 8; which practically speaking means it will never happen. But it is fun to ponder!

        Read “How Sarah Bartowski was Banned From the Fun Center” by MySoapBox at fanfiction.net. Very fun take on the situation.
        http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4792637/1/How_Sarah_Bartowski_was_Banned_from_the_Fun_Center

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Jason, you were massively confusing me. I kept asking myself where Fitzwalded came from and how I missed it. Then I remembered, it’s FitzROY (as in son of the king). 😉

        And yes, that was necessary.

      • jason says:

        fitzroy – got it – I guess I made an oopsie – thanks ernie

      • Ernie Davis says:

        No problem Jason, though you aren’t nearly as cute when you make an oopsie… Sorry.

      • thinkling says:

        Hahaha. Thank you Ernie. I almost Googled it, but I had to dash out the door. Now I don’t have to.

        I have to google so many things … most of the type casting, pop culture references, (Boxster/Cayenne) unless they’re older than half of you. So, I just thought fitzwald was another of the many slang words I don’t know. (OK, I’m dangerously close to letting everyone know how dumb I am.) Fitzroy. I do remember Fitzroy.

      • atcdave says:

        I think Boxster/Cayenne is more a guy/car obsessed thing than an age thing; I think we’re fairly close on age.

      • thinkling says:

        That’s true. That one is a guy thing. And it’s probably less my age than my missing chunks of time in the US. That’s why I remember the older stuff, BB (before Brazil)

  22. JC says:

    A couple more sneak peaks.

  23. DaveB says:

    Notice the look on Englunds face when Mamma B shoots Chuck. He’s as surprised (in fact, regardless of what he says about nothing scaring him anymore, he looks terrified) as Sarah looks. How this leads to “first fight” depends on when it occurs in the episode.

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