What we do for love…

As I was listening to this song I’m brought back to Chuck…

10 episodes into the fourth season we’ve been exposed to just how much Chuck and Sarah love each other, just how much Mary Bartowski loves her children and the endlessly bizarre love that Volkoff apparently has for Mary. But perhaps most interesting is we’re given insight to just how much they are willing to risk for love.

Let’s start with the most bizarre first: Volkoff loves Frost. It’s somewhat upsetting to me because I dislike the cliché of close encounters leading to infatuation but it’s understandable and certainly something that I called very early on (toot!–tooting my own horn). I don’t like it mostly because in some ways it devalues what Chuck and Sarah have, but logically it really doesn’t. Anyways, moving on. Volkoff loves Frost so much that he’s willing to let loose of unfinished business (Carmichael), one that will surely be detrimental to his business because he loves her. Granted his love is sketchy, as Mary describes, “you don’t know how to love”—who doesn’t think he isn’t above forcing her to marry him to keep her family safe?—but for someone who is ruthless it’s as close to love as he can get. It’s also interesting to note that he now has something to hold over her, I think we’ll find that she was right all along to keep that from him.

Mary loves her children. You know this because she tries so hard to be truthful and genuine with them. It’s an important distinction that is easily overlooked. She hasn’t yet lied to her children; she’s stretched the truth several times, she’s withheld answers that we would all love to be privy to but you have to admire her dedication to be as truthful and as genuine with regards to her children as she could be. When asked by Ellie what happened to her during Leftovers, she answered with a truthful, albeit understated, “it’s complicated.” And even all the way back to First Fight you have to believe that even though we weren’t privy to their emotional conversation (I’m in tears just thinking about it!) that she chose instead to reminisce rather than explain to Ellie. She can’t tell them so she doesn’t, “to keep them safe” and she tries so hard to be honest anyway. She’s caught in a life she chose and have to live with. Interesting side note, Chuck brought up “there’s always a choice” when angry with his mother and I think that’s one of the themes of this season: the choices we make and what we have to live with. Sarah chose one path, MamaB the other but it’s never black and white.

Mary and Sarah have a kinship of some sorts because they both know full well the life each have led/have had to lead and the choices they have had to make. It was a very short scene but no less powerful one in Leftovers:

“I got lucky, I was assigned to you. Your mom was assigned to Volkoff.”

Think of that for a minute, the fates play a funny game sometimes and on the one hand Sarah found love and life, Mary all but lost hers. In fact she lost everything. Her children, her husband, most definitely her past (her children growing up, something she can never get back). All because of love, remember her “it all begun with a scientist whose code name was Orion, but his real name was Stephen J. Bartowski.” Every once in awhile we’re reminded that although the show is quirky, and often humorous, the stakes are pretty high, and certainly not ever black and white. She will never be a touchy-feely mom, notice she didn’t even hug Ellie or Awesome, something you would think a mother would do upon visiting for the first time in a really long time over thanksgiving but she’s a different kind of mom, one no less devoted to her children, “I wish that telling you that I did this all for you and Chuck made a difference, but I know it doesn’t.” She tries though, she tries so hard, even when it’s awkward, “do you want to talk about it?” She did hug Dalton in Leftovers and you have to believe that’s a role she had to play. In a lot of ways she’s a lot more like Sarah than I have ever imagined, fake is easy, real is hard. But where the similarities end is where it gets really interesting.

Sarah loves Chuck. If there ever was a question with regards to that it was washed away with the teeth that clung to her skin during Phase Three. That is assuming that Agent Walker unpacking and bucking every emotional wall she has ever had to build up throughout her life didn’t illustrate that enough. But what is she willing to risk for love? Everything. She’s willing to marry Chuck, she wants to marry him, that in itself is the epitome of true risk.

Upon first glance it seems as if all the saves and the treason she has been willing to commit for Chuck seems like her ultimate risk for love and it is. Knowing just how strongly she’s had to identify with her job, and how much that has given her purpose (and in turn gave him purpose as well), all very strong dissensions to her internal gauge of loyalty but since pilot’s “I might have to point my gun at you, don’t freak out,” it’s been Chuck and that’s it. Still that’s minuscule compared to the risk of her giving her entire self to Chuck; by entire self I mean, no walls, no holds barred, marriage and commitment. That’s huge.

We saw this coming of course, but it’s still a sight to see it come to true fruition. It wasn’t that long ago that all she could tell Chuck in Colonel was, “one mission at a time, Chuck,” which was after a very painful pregnant pause after Beefcake’s “but that’s still a lie, we’ll never really be together.” For Sarah love is a dream, one that comes with it the same traditional values that Chuck puts into it, namely marriage and family. Her fears in Fear of Death weren’t borne out of a lack of belief in him, or a lack of loyalty but losing that of which she gave the ultimate of who she is, which is everything. Chuck’s her home, her family and who wouldn’t fear losing that?

For Chuck what he’s willing to risk for love is two-fold. On the one hand we heard him say these words:

I do need her, I love her and I’d rather love Sarah than have the intersect.

A far cry from the Chuck who was willing to get the intersect back at all costs. Granted it was never an either/or for him, but considering what Morgan said, “you’re kind of a big Fish (Sarah) and for a regular guy without a super computer in his brain that’s pretty  intimidating,” it certainly weighs on his subconscious. In essence giving up on the Intersect (and his dreams) is him laying it all out on the line for her to either reject him or love him. Which made her speech and her acceptance all the more powerful:

I’m here, I’m here. I came to rescue you. I’m right here Chuck…Chuck, I love you…I have so much I want to tell you. I found your proposal plan, you were going to do it on the beach in Malibu where we watched the sunrise after our first date. There were several race cars involved. Chuck I want to spend the rest of my life with you, I don’t care if you have the intersect or not.

Still, Chuck is a special guy. He’s one that loves his family. He’s a guy with a blindside to his Mom, whom through all of the years of pain and betrayal still wishes that he can trust her and love her. So Chuck is willing to risk it all for his mom, “I already do (trust you).” And I think we’ll find just how far he’s willing to go there. Getting Frost out of Volkoff’s clutches will set the tone for Chuck’s back 14 mission IMO.

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169 Responses to What we do for love…

  1. Faith says:

    In case you were wondering it’s 1374 words LOL. Sorry about that. I’ll try to keep it brief next time.

    Though this one didn’t quite turn out like I thought so I had to keep on going back and fix it.

    BTW the song is called this=love by the Script.

    • thinkling says:

      I’m always pretty pleased if I can keep it under 1000. Rich topic you could have said more, I’m sure.

      Like the line from Anne of Green Gables: If only you knew how much I wanted to say and didn’t. 😉

      • sd says:

        Thinkling,

        That could have been Sarah’s line if she wasn’t able to wake up Chuck in Phase 3

      • thinkling says:

        @SD: Glad we didn’t have to go there!

      • Faith says:

        I like to keep it in the 800 words level. Because frankly above that, I feel like I don’t even want to read it lol. But you’re right, there was more. It didn’t help that I essentially wrote this with our panel review. In fact I butchered that just to get these pieces out of it and make that review shorter lol.

        SD, in some ways, cliché or not I wish Chuck could go there. It would be a very powerful and very emotional scene/arc but I understand that where we’ve been and with the tone of the show, it just wouldn’t work. But man! lol.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      Pikers. I can do 800 words as an introduction. But then Joe pays me by the word. 😉

      Faith, I like this post. Not only does it have its own soundtrack, but it explores what I think is the most interesting dynamic to come. The Mary/Sarah relationship. As early as Aisle of Terror you could see that Sarah and Mary understood each other and saw themselves mirrored. Lately Sarah is re-living her handler part of the relationship with Chuck, where he couldn’t know the whole truth or where she had to hurt him and betray his trust to protect him. I think Sarah has decided that Mary has Chuck’s interests at heart. Which is an interesting thought when it comes to FOD. You notice Sarah wasn’t so eager for Chuck to get the intersect back. At the time I thought she might be hearing the siren call of a normal life, like the loss of the intersect could be their ticket out. But then Chuck is too much of a spy, and was going to spy with or without, so all things considered, she’d rather he have it back and be able to protect himself.

      It’s a long way of saying I think both Mary and Sarah have something in common with Ellie. None of them is crazy about Chuck being a spy. At least Mary and Sarah know that it’s who he is and support him. Now we just have to get Devon and Ellie on board.

      • atcdave says:

        And Ernie this brings up the next question; will the series end with Chuck and Sarah getting out of the business? It seems possible Chuck’s motives staying in all have to do Mom (rescuing her from Volkoff) and Sarah (to be her partner). If we get to the end of the series; I could imagine everyone near and dear to Chuck is safe, and Sarah finally makes it clear she would rather try something more like “normal”, I could easily see them both escaping the life. Possibly with a little one on the way.

        I’m well on record as saying the Chuck (and Sarah) story is open ended enough it never needs to end and I stand by that; if say some other network picks up the show or someone decides to do a few “Chuck” movies it would be a simple matter to have them drawn back in again (maybe temporarily for a movie), but a retirement might be a fitting end.

      • thinkling says:

        Really interesting. Chuck is both a really good spy and a junior spy … not in his abilities, especially with the intersect, but in his innocence. He’s been in it long enough to know that evil is out there and to have seen some of it. But Mary and Sarah have seen it closer and deeper, and they don’t want Chuck swallowed up by it. At the same time, as you say, MamaB knows it’s who he is. She knows he’s good at it, as does Sarah. Plus Sarah’s torn b/c she likes having him as a partner. I don’t think she’s quite ready to quit yet … or maybe she just can’t imagine what she would do.

        Did anyone else get the feeling that Mary and Sarah were even more uneasy with the situation than Chuck, or is that just me? I think Chuck knew things were bad in Leftovers and that Volkoff is a very, very bad man. But if you watch Mary and Sarah, I think they realize the situation is graver than even Chuck thinks it is. Or maybe that’s just me.

      • Faith says:

        Pay you? Would this be in gruel? LOL. That Joe, one tough boss!

        None of them is crazy about Chuck being a spy. At least Mary and Sarah know that it’s who he is and support him.

        by Ernie Davis December 4, 2010 at 6:02 pm edit comment

        I’m not quite sure we’ve been privy to exactly how MamaB feels about Chuck the spy as of yet. What we do know is that she’s (if you believe her words) tried to protect him as best as she could, but in terms of the danger it puts him in, and the strength he brings to it, I can’t really think of anything yet.

        Dave, I’d love for the series to end with them as a spy couple (still) actually. I like the idea of them being out there doing what they’re best at and finding a way to have both (purpose and life).

        Thinkling in a lot of ways I think Chuck keeps them, Sarah in particular, innocent. Innocent isn’t the right word, but certainly more hopeful rather than dark? The contrast is again brought to the surface because MamaB is not around Chuck and her family so she’s more dark than hopeful by extension.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Faith, true, we don’t KNOW Mary’s motives yet, but if, as you say, she shades the truth while trying to be truthful her explanation to Chuck that she suppressed the intersect to keep him from coming after her hints that she thought she could at least push him out of field work. In addition I think Sarah was pretty clearly trying to tell Chuck that she’d be OK if he didn’t get the intersect back and took on less dangerous duties, but in a typically dysfunctional Sarah way.

        In a way you can almost admire Ellie’s direct approach. Quit for me.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Faith, I guess you hadn’t heard. I got a raise to curds and whey. Still get a hankerin’ for gruel sometimes though.

      • atcdave says:

        Faith you know I prefer the idea of Chuck and Sarah continuing as the agency’s ultimate spy team past the end of the series. But given what a mess “the business” seems to be on many levels I could see it going another way, with Chuck and Sarah finally feeling “finished” enough they can escape that world.

      • armySFC says:

        my main hope is chuck starts to man up a lot more. they way he has been acting the last couple eps is getting annoying.

      • joe says:

        I want everyone to know, once and for all, that like all good capitalist slave-drivers, I make exactly 250 times the average wage around here!!!

        Take that, you socialist subversives, you!

        But-but-but… “boss”??? “BOSS”??? Me?
        If nominated, I will not run! If elected, I will not serve!!! (or something like that.)

        Anywhooo – I was wondering when the speculation would begin about how the show might end. That’s probably the trickiest thing in television; how to end a series. The Mary Tyler Moore Show did it right.

        I’d sort of like to see them on the verge of retiring, but with Beckman trying to get them to go on one last mission as they walk out the door and the fade to black.

        I’m more curious about a possible movie, though. I would never be able to resist seeing it opening night, but I would be afraid of being let-down. I can’t imagine it would exceed my hopes.

        Yet that’s the one thing this show keeps doing for me.

      • armySFC says:

        joe since you brought it up. how about something like how will and grace did it. this is based on it ending next year. all the eps play out as normal. the next to last episode plays out like you said or the first half of the last episode. then the final is them in the future. showing how they turned out. like did they have kids? did they divorce? tie up any loose ends the show might have. it would be nice to see that.

      • atcdave says:

        I much prefer the open ending. If its this season, a big happy wedding; if later do a baby and/or retirement. That way we can each imagine th future we like, and the whole thing is open if there’s interest in continuing.
        I doubt they would do any kind of unhappy end (divorce, early death); JS himself has described the show as “wish fulfillment”, so I think an upbeat end is most likely.

      • armySFC says:

        well the open ending works as well. but after JAG ended i kind of soured on the open ending. just personal choice in the matter but i like the idea of closure. to many shows just end leaving the viewer wondering what was going to happen. again its just a personal choice for me.

      • atcdave says:

        JAG is hardly a fair comparison. That show was the poster child for poorly managed main arcs and wt/wt beyond the point of utter stupidity; and they deprived the audience of any pay-off from 10 years of a malfunctioning central relationship. Chuck has clearly handled those situations better already, and no end is even set yet. I think to most of us a retirement and/or child would be completely adequate closure. Leave the characters in a good place, no looming crisis or story hooks; but leave everyone healthy, happy and whole so the story can be easily resumed either in fact or in the minds of the viewers.

      • Michael says:

        Episode 4.24

        Final Scene. Opening Title: 5 Years Later

        A little blonde girl and her younger brown haired brother ran along the beach, chasing birds and crabs.

        Sarah and Chuck spotted the arriving boat at the same time and scoop the two children up. “Mom!” yelled out Chuck. Mary took baby John and walked back towards the house. Stephen took Diane from Sarah and followed Mary. Chuck took Sarah’s hand, gave her a quick kiss and they walked along the beach to the boat mooring.

        A single, large man stepped from the boat into the shallows and walked ashore. Grunt. “Hey, moron, the General has an assignment for you two. That is, if you want it, with a very nice fee.”

        Chuck smiled, *that* smile, “Can you stay awhile John? Morgan and Alex would like for you to see your new grandson.”

      • atcdave says:

        Michael, that would work fine. That might even be the ideal sort of ending to me. (except Stephen back?)

      • Michael says:

        @Dave

        Why not? If they can bring back Larkin and Shaw, why not do the same for Stephen?

        Of course, they might owe JJ Abrams some royalties? 🙂

        Hi yo!

      • joe says:

        @armySFC, I never saw that last episode of Will & Grace, but by your description, it reminds me of the last episode of The Wonder Years. There was a bit of a flash-forward and a voice over that filled in the blanks.

        Maybe that’s the example that has me worried. The Wonder Years ended very controversially, with Kevin and Winnie NOT getting together (but remaining friends). The ending was actually extraordinarily realistic (and waaayyy to much like my own life, like it always was). It was also very unpopular with the fans.

        What I wouldn’t enjoy would be a movie that begins 5 or 10 years later with Chuck and Sarah split up or even fighting. Besides being done way too often (witness the sequel to “Romancing the Stone”), I personally don’t care to see that even if the DO get back together by the end.

        @Michael, I really like what you described. I fear it may be a little too fanficie for TPTB, though. I know that *I* would love to see it!

      • thinkling says:

        @Michael:
        Episode 4.24
        Final Scene. Opening Title: 5 Years Later

        I like the scene, but as 6.24 or 5.24, and I have to agree with Dave … MamaB is a widow, or perhaps she has met someone else. As much as I loved PapaB, I just don’t buy another resurrection.

        @all: As to endings, I think Monk did a really good job.

        Between now and the series finale (2 to 5 years down the road), here’s my dream. I still want LH as a regular, which means that TeamB helps her take down Volkoff, and she stays on. At that point I want them to be a ghost team doing all those things governments are afraid to do, the stuff on the laptop. GB is their liaison, hiding their activities but giving them legitimacy. MamaB is part of the team. Ellie knows about the family biz, accepts it on some level, but doesn’t want to know details. She is TeamB’s neurologist/doctor. She and Devon and baby Awesome are the normal side of the family. Chuck & Sarah will be an awesome spy couple with a stable, happy, passionate relationship (like Dave says: Thin Man/Undercover Blues … C/S style). Their love continues as a central theme of the show, as does family. I’d rather see family stuff than Buymore stuff.

        This brings me to my other wish for late s4 and beyond … Time for bye-bye Buymore or at least bye-bye Jeffster. (Let them get a record deal, and give them a great going away party. They could do periodic guest spots each year). If they must keep the Buymore, go back to 4.1 Buymore status, only tone down the efficiency. Let Buymore be an inconspicuous, albeit state-of-the-art front office for Castle. Bring in a “Q” type character who works with Chuck on spy-nerd stuff (and could be a PLI for MEB). And replace Jeffster with a couple of interesting, funny CIA, Nerd Herd underlings. The old Buymore paradigm no longer fits the dynamic of the show. Big Mike can remain as the clueless head of the clueless green-shirt sales staff for occasional collisions of Buymore and spy-more. Bringing occasional danger into the Buymore could work and still be funny. But it’s not working any more the way it is now … at least that’s my take.

      • Michael says:

        @Joe
        > I fear it may be a little too fanficie for TPTB, though. I know that *I* would love to see it!

        There are worse things than ‘fanficie’ ( is that even an adjective? ). Season 3 anyone? Mu ha ha.

        @thinkling
        > As much as I loved PapaB, I just don’t buy another resurrection.

        OK. Since the title of the blog is ‘What we do for love…’, then perhaps it takes that Chuck magic to convince Alexei to come in from the cold. He destroys his organization for Mary.

        Wait for it…

        Then PapaB is resurrected and fights Alexei for the heart of Mary. 😉

        Sorry…

        Jeez, when did I become a ‘shipper?

        Oh yeah, they had me at ‘ballerina’. Or was it pastrami?

      • atcdave says:

        Some great ideas here. Joe managed to identify one of my greatest fears, that is the 5 or 10 year jump for a finale or later movie that is completely unacceptable. We’ve seen this so many times where the writers decide to recycle the courtship story by breaking apart the featured couple at the start. Not only Romancing the Stone; but the National Treasure movies and the most recent telling of Zorro (and frankly, more others than I can even list here) have all committed the same sin. Writers are clearly afraid of showing a stable happy relationship, and somehow think they can just tell another courtship story and have it be just as good.
        The fantasy of Chuck and Sarah being happy and somehow completing each other is central to what a huge number of us want to see. While I very much want this show to remain in production for many years to come, I would rather they end it than destroy the most special part.

        I’ll shock everyone here by agreeing with Thinkling too. Not only is her perfect ending essentially the same as mine, I would even agree about the Buy More. There is a marketing/brand identity issue that I think guarantees the Buy More will be with us for the duration; but Jeffster is no longer very funny to me and I would like to see that whole setting scaled way back.

  2. joe says:

    Faith – wonderful post! As for that fantastic song, I was expecting “What I Did For Love” from “A Chorus Line”, of course, but you completely surprised me with it!

    Great tune.

    The lines you quoted are unfailingly some of the best – and most frustrating – that I know of. “one mission at a time, Chuck.” always affects me that way. The line and the way it was delivered is so meaningful and cryptic at the same time, I feel absolutely frustrated for Chuck when I think of it. It can only be worse for Sarah.

    The same with “…but that’s still a lie, we’ll never really be together.” It almost makes you wish they would scream out, but they don’t.

    And now we have a character that bottles up that frustration even more effectively than Chuck and Sarah combined – Mary Elizabeth.

    • Faith says:

      Timeless Joe. “What I did for Love” is simply timeless. But for this piece I was really feeling,

      “Love is why we do it,
      love is worth the pain,
      love is why we fall down
      and get back up again”

      Needless to say listening to those lines, I just felt the need to write about it.

    • First Timer says:

      @joe:
      Since the writers who wrote BOTH of those lines are gone and the new crew, frankly, don’t have the nuances (Judkins/LeFranc aside), you’ve hit on the basic characters that were once so good in Chuck.

      Sarah was first, and foremost, a one mission at a time character. She was binary in all things: Love, spying, trust, whatever.

      Chuck, on the other hand, wanted everything all at once. And if he couldn’t have it, he’d give up everything. He was all or nothing.

      That was at the core why the first two seasons seemed so good. Chuck and Sarah could be explained. (It’s also why the end of Suburbs is so great: Sarah knows where to draw the line and Chuck couldn’t even SEE the line…)

      But since Chuck chose spying over Sarah in Prague and Sarah didn’t move at the end of Three Words when she heard Chuck’s confession, the character have acted strictly to the dictates of plot. You never know what in heavens they will do or why. Never mind trying to explain it.

      As a John Houseman character once said in an old Sydney Pollack movie: “I miss the clarity.”

  3. thinkling says:

    Great post, Faith. The various loves are intriguing and compelling, and for me at least, it’s the love that keeps me watching.

    I noticed a couple of things about MEB. She did hug Ellie good-bye. I liked that. You could see how much she wanted to in FF, but she didn’t. The camera cut away too quickly to know for sure that she didn’t hug them hello, but if she did, we didn’t see it. The other things is that she addressed Sarah by name, twice. There is a bond forming … something that, like you, I’ve looked forward to for a long time.

    I believe Sarah trusts MEB on some level, perhaps not quite like Chuck, but she has a strong empathy and trusts her loyalty to her family (which now includes Sarah). From her explaining her situation to Chuck until the last look good-bye, and even the fountain scene, we see a tentative trust there. After all, MEB risked everything (her safety, her life, and her mission) to save Chuck & Sarah.

    So, I agree that the next 14 will be about bringing down Volkoff and bringing Mom home safely. And I think Sarah will be just as invested as Chuck. S4 is GENIUS.

    Thanks for the post.

    • Faith says:

      Sarah trusts MamaB because Chuck does. And that too is a leap of faith brought on by love isn’t it? lol.

      I’m going to have to check out Leftovers again, I don’t remember that. But considering I missed the elevator hand hold (which shippers all over the us are holding over my queen’s head haha), I think it’s safe to say I missed a lot of things lol.

      • thinkling says:

        Yes, there is that trust by extension (which started in FF), but I think there is a fledgling trust that’s less Chuck-dependent (which may have also started in FF), though still based on the fact that MEB has saved them three times now, and once Sarah specifically. And admittedly that b/c she is important to Chuck.

        I think in FF, MEB was checking Sarah out as a spy/partner and maybe a little as the girlfriend, too. This time she was able to observe her even more as the girl-friend, beginning with the hand-holding in the elevator.

        Maybe Sarah trusts MEB not so much b/c Chuck does, but b/c she believes MEB is protective of her family, and Sarah has been put under that umbrella.

        In some ways, I think it’s possible that Sarah began to trust MEB in Leftovers before Chuck did.

        It’s really interesting to watch Sarah’s face watching MEB. It’s a different sort of observation than FF. There’s more openness.

      • thinkling says:

        Ah, but you’re right that either way it is rooted in love … her love for Chuck … and MEB’s love for Chuck.

      • thinkling says:

        Sorry, I keep having these extraneous thoughts.

        Another interesting think about MEB this time is that she is talking to Sarah. She is being honest with Sarah like she is with Chuck and talks to them both, not just Chuck.

      • atcdave says:

        I definitely think Sarah started trusting MEB before Chuck did in Leftovers. I think Sarah related to her situation after the “explain it to him” moment. Of course the trust could be called tentative at that point, but I did see the bond. And Faith you have to re-watch for the hand hold if nothing else; it isn’t even the fact of it that’s interesting. Its MEB observing it and taking note. Very important scene I think.

      • thinkling says:

        I think Sarah began to catch on as soon as Volkoff addressed “Frost” by phone. Her “what does that mean” was infused with suspicion and, I don’t know, contempt or disgust maybe. Sarah was feeling Chuck’s betrayal and showing it.

        But as soon as MamaB said, “It means Alexei Volkoff is in love with me,” Sarah began putting the pieces together. The statement was specifically one-way, and MEB’s face portrayed that it was an unlucky, unpleasant burden. Sarah then had not only evidence in the form of MamaB’s actions (saving their lives twice) but also a context that clarified a lot of things in a nono-second.

        Everything MamaB did after that built Sarah’s trust a little more. MEB risked herself and her mission in an attempt to save Chuck, by telling Volkoff the she’s Chuck’s mom. Interesting that what she had kept hidden for so long to protect Chuck, she finally had to reveal for the same reason.

        Then of course the end is awesome when she totally stands up to the planet’s biggest psychopath … to save Sarah. Watching Sarah’s face through all of that is interesting, too. A very nuanced episode.

      • Faith says:

        Sorry, I keep having these extraneous thoughts.

        by thinkling December 3, 2010 at 8:38 pm

        Hey if I helped in any way to do that, or not…not saying I did lol…that’s the point right? Analysis to more thoughts and perhaps a deeper appreciation if not understanding of something we all enjoyed (or not enjoyed lol). Ok this statement is so me, namely so indecisive lol.

        Getting back on topic though, I think Sarah decided to trust MamaB long before she ever handed her the knife and said, “protect him” and that’s on the basis of Chuck doing so. But from then on, when Chuck waffled, it’s her that held steady simply because I think (again) she saw something in Mary that she sees in herself, and that’s love for Chuck. While she’s protective of Chuck, I think she can recognize another who loves him, if not more at least as much as she does. And you go back to them essentially being the same person, same bad ass spy and that adds another dimension to it.

        I remember awhile back (back in S2) before PapaB even came into the picture one of the fans’ Chuckgasms was this parallel. The hope was that MamaB would be PapaB’s handler and that there would be this mirroring of relationships, of fate that just takes a different turn. I can’t even begin to tell you how lovely it is to see it but see it in a different way on film.

        And Faith you have to re-watch for the hand hold if nothing else; it isn’t even the fact of it that’s interesting. Its MEB observing it and taking note. Very important scene I think.

        by atcdave December 4, 2010 at 12:54 am

        Yeah I caught it finally, during the tuesday rewatch. And ♥ as it was, it was definitely more…more with the MamaB emphasis. I think the fact that Chuck brought her to meet her all the way back during Aisle was a big enough statement at the seriousness of their relationship but that elevator scene even more so. I get the feeling that MamaB will have some choice words for Sarah in the coming episodes, maybe of the advice, “hold on to him like I didn’t my Stephen” variety. Of which I will surely be using up Costco’s worth of kleenex haha.

      • herder says:

        I know that it looks like Sarah gets Mama B more than Chuck does, which considering her background and Chuck’s baggage isn’t suprising. The thing is I can’t shake the feeling that Mama B is playing Sarah as a way to get Chuck’s trust. An agent who has been undercover for twenty years on one mission and sees a way out will likely burn anyone and anything that gets in her way of completing that mission, especially if the end is in sight. I think that there are a few more is she/isn’t she a good guy situations for Mama B and I think at least one of them puts Sarah in harm’s way.

      • atcdave says:

        Faith I do look forward to MEB sharing her wisdom with Sarah. I’d like to think Sarah already knows better, but it would be cool to hear the lessons MEB has learned too (beyond the general confession she would do things differently).

        Herder its funny about the good guy/bad guy thing with Frost right now. Whether she’s a baddie or not, she clearly seems devoted to keeping her family safe. So even if she turns out to be pretty corrupt, or even the brains behind Volkoff Industries; I think she’ll always have a weak spot for family.

      • thinkling says:

        @Herder: I pretty much do not expect that. But her ambiguity is being played so well, I can’t dismiss the possibility.

        All I can say for sure is they have really created a great character in MamaB. And they found the perfect actress to play her. She keeps us wondering and keeps us talking.

        The thing is, even though we (most of us, it seems) reasonably expect that she’ll end up being good, the fact that they can make us wonder and speculate and the fact that she comes across as so complex is fantastic.

      • thinkling says:

        This may be a small thing but it struck me as significant regarding the Mary/Sarah bond that when Chuck & Sarah were talking at the fountain, Sarah said, “She’s the only thing keeping us safe right now.” us not you. The MamaB/C/S dynamic has definitely shifted.

      • kg says:

        You guys (Dave specifically) may be onto something. It’s very conceivable that Frost is actually the brains and muscle behind Volkoff Industries.

        This may have began as a mission, but after so many years perhaps Mary decided she could have a piece and maintain her cover. We keep saying how great she is. And many of us have openly asked why she has not wrapped this mission up after 20 years? Well, maybe she doesn’t want to. Volkoff may very well be the world’s biggest lunatic front man.

        Then you have Herder’s perspective. Frost could very well be playing Sarah. More than once, Chuck mentioned how he knew his mother wasn’t telling them everything.

        A re-intersected Chuck, Sarah and Casey may have to bring down Mary and Alexi. I know the show is largely positive, but this season may not play out in that fashion.

        So, while I do believe Frost genuinely loves and wants to protect her family, and saving Sarah for Chuck is an extension of that, if she is more involved with VI than we’re shown to see, then Frost certainly knew exactly what she was doing to disable the intersect. It wasn’t merely just to discourage Chuck and cause him to quit, but because she feared Chuck taking her and Volkoff out with his exceptional abilities.

      • atcdave says:

        My bet is though, if Mary is more of a baddie, that she will get her Darth Vader moment. That is, she would redeem herself through some grand gesture, probably at the cost of her life.

        That is all based on a big if. I still think its most likely we know most of the truth already. She is trapped in her current position and will be happy to find an out that accomplishes her original mission.

      • armySFC says:

        @atcdave i like the idea of her redeeming herself. but wouldn’t it be wild if she helps in bringing down VI and then becomes part of the team working out of washington? that way if we get a season 5 they can bring her back from time to time to help her family or the team? that would be a wild twist.

      • atcdave says:

        Yeah Army I think that would be the best possible resolution. Linda Hamilton is so strong for her part, it would be awesome if the door was kept open to bring her back on occasion.
        I really hope that’s what they do, I just wonder if they won’t be able to resist the drama (and possible Star Wars homage) of an epic redemption and death scene.

      • armySFC says:

        dave the reason i shy away from the death of mama b is all the effort they have put into her this year. they have chuck trusting her, shes forming a bind with sarah. i never got the feeling she was bad. of course i could be wrong. she may have been bad but reconnecting with family reminder her why she went undercover to begin with. this show has not yet killed off a well liked or popular character. mama b seems to fit the bill. of course you may be right as well. it will be good either way. but chuck would suffer if she died.

      • armySFC says:

        strike that last post, lol. i forgot about papa b. my bad

      • Faith says:

        This will all come down to whether she gets offered a pilot sometime during or after Chuck. If yes, then she’s a goner, if no then we just might see her stick around. For examples just look for ScottB (Men of a Certain Age) or Angie Harmon (Rizolli and Isles)…and of course BR who was offered…nothing LOL.

        Whoops I went there!

      • atcdave says:

        Actually what happened to papaB is probably the main reason why I think nothing will happen to her.

        Just to reiterate, I think its most likely we’ve already heard something close to the truth, and Frost will be quite happy when teamB helps her defeat Volkoff and return home.

        I just like kicking around the other ideas mainly to sort out the possibility they do something different. It keeps it more interesting to me if it there is still several possible outcomes.

      • joe says:

        It’s very conceivable that Frost is actually the brains and muscle behind Volkoff Industries.

        Ken, that’s such an interesting possibility. Honestly, I sort of, kind of had a glimmer of that idea, but it slipped away from me in the last episode. Something in Volkoff’s attitude was telling me that, no, he’s in charge.

        But it sure would be an interesting twist.

  4. Michael says:

    The episode was quite funny.

    But…

    this Volkoff ‘thing’ has taken a turn down the stupid trail.

    > Anyways, moving on. Volkoff loves Frost so much that he’s willing to let loose of unfinished business (Carmichael)

    I’m sorry, but are we to believe that he is a bad-ass, but he becomes a complete moron when it comes to Mary? My eyes are rolling around so hard, I am getting sea sick. And the whole idea that Mary would give up her family for twenty years and still not have taken down Volkoff smells so bad. She would have to be a very crappy spy, if you ask me. At some point you put a bullet between the guy’s eyes and walk. Or you marry him and then off him in such a way that that you look blameless and take over the company.

    > Granted his love is sketchy, as Mary describes, “you don’t know how to love”—who doesn’t think he isn’t above forcing her to marry him to keep her family safe?—but for someone who is ruthless it’s as close to love as he can get

    If Mary is held to her character, at the first sign of trouble, she would off him.

    > > Morgan said, “you’re kind of a big Fish (Sarah) and for a regular guy without a super computer in his brain that’s pretty intimidating,”

    I’ve always been amused by this notion about what girl was or was not attainable. I’ve never been able to figure it out; I’ve pursued and been pursued and have been rejected by and rejected both types of women. I do know that if I ever do figure women out, the manual will be rewritten. Or I’d simply disappear, never to be heard from again. I just hope its Sarah that does it. 😉

    • Faith says:

      Maybe I’m sold because of Dalton’s performance (the script itself could do with some work ;-)) but I totally buy that he’s so psychotically in love with her enough to be that big of an idiot. After all his, “what did you think I would do” etc. was pretty powerful and revealing.

      Also I think we’re supposed to believe that it’s more than just Volkoff she’s tasked to take down but the entire organization. Killing Volkoff probably wouldn’t help that all that much. Unless killing him puts her at the top, which is entirely possible and possibly be what she’s angling for.

      I don’t think you’d survive if you figured out women…we like to be mysterious. That’s a secret that’s ensured to be kept for all eternity haha.

    • joe says:

      If there’s one thing that bothers me about Leftovers, it’s how my view of Volkoff is self-contradictory. That’s Dalton’s doing, actually, because he put so much into the character…

      Volkoff came across at first as an evil genius. But then, with the “Give Frost the DAMN PHONE!” line, he became deadly psychotic. That’s great, but I don’t want the character to be out of control insane, I want him to be genius insane. Dalton placed him right on that nexus, as per the script. Well done! But I think the story suffered a bit for that.

      Oddly, it also works to the story’s benefit, because it makes Mary Elizabeth’s sacrifice more poignant. And as Jem pointed out, it highlights the difference between Sarah’s “luck”, and hers.

      • Faith says:

        You also have to consider the “love” aspect of it. What bigger testament to falling for someone than be inconsistent to try to deal with that emotion? lol.

        Although in all seriousness I think you brought up something I didn’t bring up and that is love can either make you stronger or weaker. In Chuck and Sarah’s case it’s most definitely stronger–which is definitely a very powerful contrast to Volkoff and Mary where it weakens them.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      I kept waiting for someone to ask the question what the heck have you been doing for 20 years ? Not to mention why would you take an asssignment involving taking down a company from the inside giving that even with the optimum situation it would take considerable time.

  5. joe says:

    Speaking of what we do for love, you probably have all seen this already, but it was a surprise to me! Love it!

    • patty says:

      I hadn’t seen it, Thanx Joe.

      I did see Tangled. I dragged my hubby and dad to see it. They accused me of only wanting to see it ’cause Zac was in it. (Well duh! Although I have seen almost all the Disney cartoons) I am happy to report a good time was had by all. Even the whiney men.

      • atcdave says:

        Tangled was very funny; yeah I’m a guy and I like Disney cartoons. There were a few moments when it struck me how much Flynn sounded just like Chuck, but overall it was enjoyable enough on its own merits. Fun movie and well done 3-D effects.

    • thinkling says:

      Me either Joe. Awww. That was cute. Thanks.

    • joe says:

      Wasn’t that nice? I hadn’t seen George Lopez interviewing before (although I had seen a couple episodes of his sit-com). Not a bad interview. I’ve definitely seen worse. Zac is always a trip when he’s spontaneous, but this one was great.

    • Rick Holy says:

      I haven’t seen EVERY Zach Levi interview – but will there EVERE be someone who can interview him without the topic of “gaming” always coming up?

      I’ve never heard anyone ask him MEANINGFUL questions like what it’s like doing both comedy and drama in one show (a “dramedy,” as Chuck is so often categorized), or about working with so many different wonderful guest stars, or what has been the most enjoyable aspect of CHUCK, or what he sees himself doing after CHUCK. I mean, these talk show hosts DO have research staffs. It can’t be THAT difficult to ask questions that don’t have to resort to the old stand by s**t about gaming and “being a nerd,” etc., etc.

      Truthfully, I don’t go out of my way to watch these programs were Zach is interviewed because they’re generally very lame. (I check them out on Youtube or on this site or others). Now George Lopez was a “pleasant” interviewer. I like Lopez a lot – but was even one question of any depth or meaning asked during that interview – or did I miss something? I’m not saying it has to be all “serious buiness.” But at least ONE decent question could make a difference. I mean the guy is directing episodes for cryin’ out loud. Yet I’ve not heard a question about what’s it like directing your fellow actors – and yourself for that matter.

      I did enjoy the end with the golf cart and with Yvonne coming out – that was a nice touch. But when that’s the best part of the interview, then the interview was basically all “fluff” or the same old same old. Just sayin.

      • joe says:

        I can’t argue with what you say here, Fr. Rick. But as celebrity interviews go, this one was pretty innocuous.

        I recall one Zac did with Bonnie Hunt earlier this year. It had almost 0 content, and featured a 10 second clip from The Beard. Now Bonnie Hunt’s a fine actress and comedian, but if Zac got 10 seconds to talk I’d be surprised (and I don’t think I’m exaggerating here).

        And then there’s the one we saw with Yvonne and some unknown (to me) late-night host who seemed to be trying his best to embarrass her. He succeeded only in embarrassing himself, though.

        Sigh. It’s been a long time since Dick Cavett, David Frost and even Jack Parr were in their prime. I’d even take Carson.

  6. Michael says:

    Faith, great post, btw, ‘cus I keep going back and seeing something else.

    > Mary and Sarah have a kinship of some sorts because they both know full well the life each have led/have had to lead and the choices they have had to make. It was a very short scene but no less powerful one in Leftovers:

    >> “I got lucky, I was assigned to you. Your mom was assigned to Volkoff.”

    OK, I almost choked up on that line. But, that’s me. I did cry when Chuck broke up with Hannah because of the lies he was afraid he would have to tell her. Yeah, I’m a guy. It was that scene and Brian’s Song, that’s it! I swear!

    • thinkling says:

      Ohh, Bryan’s Song and Something for Joey. Too sad. Will NOT watch again. Great movies though.

      • Michael says:

        I’m talking tears here. Not just choking up. That happens all over the place. Like with Love Story. How come Chuck never had Sarah watch that movie? “Love means never having to say you’re sorry.”

      • thinkling says:

        Oh yeah, me too. Buckets. Love Story, tears yes, but that line … eye-roll. I think Shadowlands beats Love Story.

      • Anonymous says:

        @thinkling

        > Oh yeah, me too. Buckets. Love Story, tears yes, but that line … eye-roll.

        I don’t know how old you are, so your eye-roll might be because it is a cliche now. But, that’s where the cliche comes from. heh!

        Chuck never says it, but he shows it. Sheesh, over and over and over.

    • Faith says:

      Thanks! I love Chuck all the more at times when the subtle is brilliant. It’s like finding that rare gem at times. It’s essentially a throw-away line but one that packs a really big punch.

  7. thinkling says:

    Volkoff loves Frost so much that he’s willing to let loose of unfinished business (Carmichael), one that will surely be detrimental to his business because he loves her. Granted his love is sketchy, as Mary describes, “you don’t know how to love”—who doesn’t think he isn’t above forcing her to marry him to keep her family safe?

    I think the loose end creates leverage the other way, too. Frost and Volkoff may be at a stalemate. But now Volkoff has something to hold over Carmichael’s head … the safety of his mother. The spy plot has gotten more complicated, and thwarting Volkoff is now risky. Not to mention the question of Frost’s safety … hanging by a thread of love.

  8. joe says:

    Forgive me for hijacking this thread for an off-topic announcement, but I want to tell everyone that the movie Serenity is on the SyFy network tomorrow (12-4) at 3:30 pm eastern.

    • Michael says:

      This is not a plug for them, but, I am a happy customer of Netflix. They have all of the episodes of Firefly and the Serenity movie, available to wath on-line. For some reason they don’t do it for Chuck.

  9. jason says:

    thank you faith, that was really nice, reminded me in tone of the type of writing last year when we all still had ‘faith’, b4 the realities of the shaw misery arc sunk in.

    I wish I still felt that ‘faith’ in the show, but right now I just hope the love makes it thru another ep. My distrust in the showrunners is such I don’t think I will ever be comfortable with the show

    As the show nears the half way point of s4, it has become obvious to me, this is show is about leads separated in every way, shape, and form possible as the main 4 year long recurring arc, even while in love and roommates, they continue to be apart. Chuck and Sarah will not have many (maybe one or two more, possibly none) eps as the Charles, they continue to be nordic blond shemale and tall, brunette, neurotic, hapless, helpless, bumbling good hearterd maleshe engaged in a 2 step back, 1 step forward relationship, right thru the credits and the I do in the ending.

    It sort of sucks, but once you give up on expectations, the show is what it is. For me, had the honeymooners, the role models, and 1 or 2 season 4 eps were my show, but it is becoming obvious those were just faux hints of the future, not the future. CS are not the CIA’s next superspy couple, they will continue bumbling their way thru alone, frustrated by each other while some adventure is going on in the background, ep by ep, until the show is canceled.

    • Faith says:

      In some ways I totally get where you’re coming from. In fact, who knows, maybe you have the best approach to all this than the rest of us lol.

      Hopefully you’ll continue to enjoy the show on some level. I know you were floored by Phase Three. Think Phase Three happy thoughts haha.

      In all seriousness though, I find that I’m putting trust in certain writers and others not so much. I know that the overall direction of the show is still controlled by Schwedak but I trust certain writers to tell the story in ways where I at least will understand and can possibly accept the direction. If that makes sense. And in their favor, they deliver.

    • armySFC says:

      i agree with everything you say except the love part. i see trouble on the way for the couple. not for along period of time mind you just during an episode. the excuse will be all couples fight. but they will set the scene that sarah or chuck has to do something for the job that will hurt the other. most likely sarah because they seem to have taken chuck three steps backwards over the last couple episodes. it will of course be the i have to do it to protect you crap again.

      the viewers just need to take a look at where the powers to be come from. the OC and Gossip girl are what? drama filled shows. the common thread in both shows is the majority of the relationships are rocky at times. why would we think they would change the way they are used to doing things? if i had to bet on the rest of the season i would bet on plenty of things coming in between chuck and sarah. the saying goes, a leopard can’t change his spots. we saw that last year and by the end of the season my bet is we will see it here as well.

      • atcdave says:

        I do think there’s some truth in what you say Army. While I do think Schwedak have learned the most important lesson about what this audience wants from this show (meaning Chuck and Sarah together on screen and as a couple); I think its likely Schwartz can’t help himself. I don’t think we’ll see any major malfunction like in S3, there will be constant little situations coming up that add silly sorts of tension to the mix (like Suitcase). Either Chuck or Sarah having to do a seduction mission is one possibility. I hope most relationship tension will come from more legitimate and external sources (and/or played for laughs), and I think they mostly have done a good job of that this season; but given both the show’s history and the background of Josh Schwartz I do expect another ugly moment or two along the way.

      • JC says:

        I have to agree with Army.

        With all the parallels they’re drawing between Sarah and MEB I fully expect at least an two episode arc where Sarah hurts Chuck to protect him. Or they’ll use something from her past. I admit I was fully expecting Chuck to start questioning if Sarah was playing him like his mother was Volkoff. Of course they could always use it again down the road.

        And honestly at this point in the show I really don’t care as long as it doesn’t damage the characters. Chuck and Sarah relationship crap is an easy way to create drama and they’ll always use it.

      • armySFC says:

        @jc thanks. but i don’t know if they would go for a 2 show arc. ratings are teetering as it is. any prolonged crap between c/s could prove fatal. if my guess is right they will promote chuck more and use the fact that they are a couple to do it. the best way to get back viewers they lost last year is show them they learned their lesson. to suddenly take that away after a couple episodes would cause those that just came back or the new viewers they pick to flee. i see an episode here and there that they create tension between the couple but nothing prolonged. i think TPTB are idiots and set in their ways, but i don’t think they are stupid.

        the ratings dropped over the 3 ep arc that had them separated. while we don’t know why, inside or outside sources being the cause. they have to see that as well. the reviews from non shipper sources generally say the arc did nothing for the show except set sarah up for her episode. the same places liked 4.10.

        we will just have to wait and see. i do feel that jason and i are correct. i don’t think we will ever see the fluffy romantic episodes like the honeymooners often or ever again. we may get 1 or 2 episodes like the turners when they do a mission as a couple. my gut tell me we will see more episodes like leftovers as the norm and several where they toss in issues like fear of death. they are caught between a rock and a hard place right now. they have a group of fans that want the ultra romantic episodes, a group that want more sarah centric episodes and a group that want to see chuck man up. if they go over board on one type of episode they risk losing one of the other groups. their best bet is to stay fairly even during most episodes with each group getting a little bit of what they want. i am guessing at all of this but i am a guy that is ruled by common sense. doing things on an even keel makes sense to me. most new people and returnees will respond better to this type of episode rather than one that tips heavy to one group or another. just my take.

      • JC says:

        Honestly a two episode arc wouldn’t surprise me, C/S relationship stuff is a quick way to up the “drama” easily. Here’s the thing though I don’t think its the idea of relationship problems that bother fans its how they’ll handle it. Its been OK so far because it’s either been fluffy or they’ve danced around it. The fear is when they try and be serious or really get to the heart of whatever the problem is.

        As for what the fans want, all it takes is balance something they never had problems with during the first two seasons. It seems like the last two seasons they’ve gone to extremes for some reasons. This recent arc is a perfect example, why make Chuck completely helpless? And people will always be calling for more Sarah episodes until they actually flesh out her character.

      • armySFC says:

        jc i agree with the extremes portion. i made a post exactly like a couple days ago. the main thing about a 2 ep arc is people are still nervous after last year. any prolonged separation will seem like a retread to me (4.07-4.09). same as the whole intersect not working. they have done that to death over the last 22 episodes. i’d hate to see them start rehashing plot lines again to add drama. c/s apart will up the drama i will give you that. for me the fence sitting fan if sarah is the one to separate from the team to protect chuck, or be the only option rubs me wrong. now if chuck was the one to do it. i feel it would have the desired effect, plus show that chuck is beginning to accept his role as a spy and after 3+ years decided to man up.

      • atcdave says:

        My main thought is a similar pattern to what we saw in the front of the season; that is, one episode where Chuck and Sarah end in a bad spot (like Aisle of Terror bad) and one other episode where they may be physically separated. I may revise my guess when we get some clue what the main arc may be. But Fedak clearly said before the season ever started, Chuck and Sarah are together all season; they’d already explored all the legitimate obstacles, and now they wanted to put them together.
        Now I don’t buy for a second that they made that decision willingly, but I do believe they will be mostly faithful to it.
        I also get that some viewers took the episodes after Aisle of Terror differently than I did (to me, any relationship angst in First Fight was played for laughs and I never considered them apart; ditto for Fear of Death). I guess all I’m getting at is, any relationship issues in the remaining season will be quickly resolved or played for laughs; but things may come up more often than many of us would prefer.

      • JC says:

        @Army

        I still think it’s all about the how and not the what when it comes to any C/S relationship drama. But I agree with you that it all stems from season three.

        I’m with you about rehashing plots but I don’t think they see it that way. Now that C/S are together they can go to well again because the dynamic has changed.

        And I agree about having Chuck be the one to do it would be a welcome change but I doubt they’d go that route. For some reason having Chuck man up to some degree is seen as bad. They want him pure and innocent.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @Army – I see trouble on the way for the couple. not for along period of time mind you just during an episode. the excuse will be all couples fight. but they will set the scene that sarah or chuck has to do something for the job that will hurt the other.

        @JC – I fully expect at least an two episode arc where Sarah hurts Chuck to protect him. Or they’ll use something from her past.

        Has there been any indication/spoilers that things may go as you two have speculated or is it a well thought out guess?

        And why would anything from Sarah’s past hurt Chuck – unless the events from her past somehow involved him.

        And honestly at this point in the show I really don’t care as long as it doesn’t damage the characters.

        JC, therein lies my biggest worry. We know that TPTB will go to extremes when creating C/S drama, that in the past has left the characters unrecognizable and unlikeable. What’s to say that another such attempt wont leave a very sour taste in the mouth.

        Chuck and Sarah relationship crap is an easy way to create drama and they’ll always use it.

        It’s like their mantra. As Jason and Army have said we can never expect to see a series of episodes where we have C/S working as kick ass spy couple (ala Honeymooners, Role Models) and dealing with external threats. And I believe a small section of the fans wants to see discord/tension in the C/S relationship with their excuse being that “otherwise it gets boring”

        And I agree about having Chuck be the one to do it would be a welcome change but I doubt they’d go that route. For some reason having Chuck man up to some degree is seen as bad.

        As Army said it looks like they have regressed Chuck’s character three steps back. It has reached a point where it has now become irritating. I said this in another thread but to me it looks like TPTB want adopt a balance between spy-Chuck and goofy-Chuck – but IMHO they have failed to do that and ended up hurting his character. As you have said before, we miss the Chuck of 3×13 and 3×19.

      • JC says:

        @Genie

        I haven’t seen any spoilers it’s just a guess from what I know of the show and their inability to leave C/S alone good or bad. Sarah’s past is an open book, so they could create anything they wanted in that regard. They’ve tried and failed once before with the Manoosh comparison. Also we’ve gotten the Heather Chandler comparison this season.

        Whether it damages the characters I keep coming back to its how they do it, not the what. A perfect example is the reception between Break-Up and Pink Slip. Both dealt with the same issues but it was all in how they executed the story. Everything they’ve done this season has either been fluffy or they’ve skirted around it. If they keep doing it that way no worries, its when they serious that concerns me.

        I’ve said before that every main big bad and overall spy story are nothing more than ways to move the relationship forward or back. Its been that way since S2. We’ll get individual episodes where this isn’t the case but on a whole that’s the way it is. And lets be honest everyone knows the way the spy stories are crafted they don’t hold up. I have no problem with C/S relationship stuff, it just shouldn’t dominate the season.

        It all comes down to balance. Somewhere in between S2 and 3 they lost that. If they want an episode where Sarah rescues Chuck that’s fine. But they don’t need to make him look like an idiot to do it. How bout a story where he’s overwhelmed or he gives himself up in exchange for Ellie or Awesome. They did the same thing last season with Sarah most notably in Other Guy. Sarah had to look like an idiot most of the season for Chuck to be the hero. At this point I’d take the Chuck we saw in Coup, beating up guards and talking about his cuddling needs.

        Part of the problem is I think there’s this need to keep Chuck innocent and pure on some level. And by default Sarah has to be the dirty or dark one. She’ll always need to be redeemed by him.

      • armySFC says:

        @genie. i had not seen any spoilers at the time wrote this. the bottom line for me is schawrtz. its simply how he works. i posted my view of him in the buy more thread. so i wont rehash it here. for me TPTB are semi clueless as to what this audience wants. for the die hard fans here injecting angst or separating the couple for what ever reason or putting pressure on the relationship will be accpepted if in the end they remain together. these fans spoke out the loudest to save the show. so he gives you what you want. just no enough, but they keep hoping for more. and that in turn keeps you watching.

        if schwartz didn’t learn by the end of season 3, the oc and rapidly fading gossip girl. he won’t learn. i said it before, look for more downs than ups. its the style of show he puts out.

  10. herder says:

    Faith, I was thinking of something today during a long car ride. Something seemed off in 3.10, initially I thought that it was that something had been lifted out of the episode to fit the back eleven, but the more that I think about it I think something at the end was changed, both removed and added.

    Going with your theme of what we do for love, I would have expected a conversation between Chuck and Sarah, perhaps in bed about Mama B and Volkov. I could see comparisons implicitly being drawn between Mama B and Sarah as you said but also between Sarah and Volkov in the way they integrate into the Bartowski family, Sarah slowly and organically, Volkov in a flurry of action “kids love me”.

    I guess (no facts to base this on) that TPTB thought they would have at least one more episode before any break. My guess is that Chuck was to be reintersected in 3.11 instead it got crammed into the end of 3.10 without a lot of explanation so as to avoid an unintersected Chuck over the break and allow for a cliff hanger of sorts: what powers does this new intersect have.

    Instead of a conversation about what they were going to do to go after Mama B and Volkov (lets face it Chuck won’t let his mother just leave and Sarah can’t allow a major bad guy to continue his plots) we got a tacked on bit that diminished both stories. That’s my guess.

    • joe says:

      If I may interject, this has the ring of truth to it, herder. It certainly explains the “feel” of that ending – a bit rushed.

      I have no idea about when they learned of the final schedule for airing. Actually, I would have guessed that they learned of it about 6 hours before we did, too late to make any changes. But I don’t know that for a fact.

      But if they had a brief time to make changes, what you suggest seems reasonable.

      • First Timer says:

        @joe, @herder:
        It is true that episode 10 locked late in editing (as per a Tweet from Matt Barber), but the four-episode sweeps arc was about Chuck losing and regaining the Intersect. So if something WAS cut, it wouldn’t have been about regaining the Intersect. Episodes 7-10 were clearly about the Intersect and always were. And TPTB knew they would have only had four epsisodes for the arc because the Lauer-Bush deal was sealed months ago.

    • JC says:

      Some good thoughts Herder. IMO I would guess some changes were made to the Ellie/Laptop plot. And maybe some more explanation from MEB about her loyalties.

      • Amrit says:

        Yeah if you think about it TPTB and the writers have 3-4 months to write a 13 episode story, they get to episode 9 and are told that you have 11 more! So how in a week do they integrate the new episodes, there is not enough time to write a separate 11 episode season from scratch so they have to drag certain elements out, hence the mama b and Ellie plots put on hold. It is not tptb fault at all, they are the last people to find out

      • herder says:

        The point that I was suggesting was that although the back eleven was likely a factor about what to remove from the episode, the timing of the christmas break was likely more of a factor. My guess was that TPTB thought they would finish 3.11 before the break, be it in November sweeps or in December. Faced with a six week hiatus after Leftovers they tacked on a sort of cliffhanger: what are the powers of this new intersect rather than the more likely end of the episode, Chuck and Sarah examining his mother’s choices and by implication Sarah’s.

    • Faith says:

      I’ve had a really big problem with this season’s overall editing. But I’ve really just chalked it up to budgetary concerns.

      First Timer is correct, based on Matt Barber’s tweets he had a really hard time editing this one. So I definitely wouldn’t rule out the idea of cramming/editing but at the same time I don’t think you can pinpoint it to that either.

      I guess what I’m trying to say, not in this piece specifically (I thought my group review was far too negative so I channeled a little bit of a different flavor on this one)…is that I think this is what they meant to happen, it’s just not quite as clear as it’s supposed to be simply because Leftovers was a lead in episode.

      Also it’s back 14 (24 total season 4 episodes). Woot! 😀

  11. amyabn says:

    First of all, great article, Faith! I agree wth Herder about the episode feeling chopped up. they could have easily had Sarah say something during the hug they cut about how glad she is to have been assigned to Chuck or conversely, how bad she feels for Mary for being assigned Volkoff. I think I also expected Sarah to stand up for Mary a bit when Chuck questioned why Volkoff tracked her down. Sarah could have said something about her beating up half of Thailand to find him. It would have allowed a parallel as well as given Mary an insight to Sarah and Chuck’s relationship.
    I also caught something (after my 5th viewing 🙂 ). Why would Ellie Bartowski be calling the Buy More to talk to Chuck? Wouldn’t she call as Ellie Woodcomb? and how did Volkoff know to go to the Buy More in the first place? Is that one of the things Chuck slipped to “Tuttle” in the back of the sheep truck?

    • armySFC says:

      my guess on how they knew about the buy more. mama b said several times during the ep that volkoff has moles in the CIA and other agencies. just a thought. as for the phone call. she called and asked for chuck bartowski. the dude to sound polite ask sure can i ask who’s calling. she answered his sister ellie. being volkoff’s man he would not know ellie was married and just used her maiden name. happens all the time. just a thought.

    • thinkling says:

      I am very bummed that the hug was cut. It would have added a lot, I think.

      I’m not sure about the Bartowski/Woodcomb issue. Did she keep Bartowski to avoid confusion at the hospital. Great question. The Buymore … MEB said they weren’t safe there b/c Volkoff had people in the CIA. She’s mentioned that twice, so I hope we get some mileage out of it in the back episodes.

      • amyabn says:

        I have to be honest and say that I think this will be yet another throw away line. We heard that the Ring had operatives everywhere; we arrest the head baddies and are to assume they’ve all been rooted out? And does Volkoff have anything to do with the Ring?

        If we aren’t dropping the mole hunt, I would love to see Carina, Roan, Cole, and the Turners all make a return to Burbank to help root out bad spies. Carina’s return would need to be multi-episodes to wrap the round up of bad guys and to stay for Sarah’s engagement and bachelorette parties and the wedding. 🙂 Here’s to hoping anyway!

      • Faith says:

        Bachelorette party FTW!

      • thinkling says:

        I want to say a mole hunt would be good, but since we don’t really know any people in the CIA, it could be about as exciting as the Ring Elders.

        But showers and bachelorette parties and engagement parties and weddings … I know those will be fun.

      • JC says:

        They can always have Morgan take of the moles during his Red Test. 😉

    • Crumby says:

      With all the Ring moles and now Volkoff’s it’s a wonder how the CIA get anything done!

  12. Tamara Burks says:

    Onr thing I have to wonder if there is a proposal is what name does she use ? Marrying Sarah Walker might not be legal but using the name Sam if they haven’t talked things out might be distasteful. Given that in First Fight it’s obvious they haven’t talked about Shaw and her wierd behavior in regards to him. And since we saw the name trainwreck , we really need to see the rebuilding.

    • thinkling says:

      My bet is that Sarah Walker is her legal name. If not a marriage license is a legal name change, so either way she becomes Sarah Bartowski, and her CIA cover is still Walker … although Agent Bartowski confusion could be cute.

    • Michael says:

      The only name I believe is true, is what she told Chuck early on, in a tear-filled whisper that Chuck didn’t hear. “‘Lisa’ is my middle name.” I don’t believe she told Shaw the truth and just gave him another fake name. Shaw was nothing more to her than a diversion. I think Sarah has used so many names during her con days that she has difficulty remembering her real name. While Sarah Walker is her cover name, I would think that is what she will use to get married as that is the name that everyone she cares about knows. As for her a new cover name, I would love to see her use Sarah Carmichael.

      • thinkling says:

        I didn’t think of Sarah Carmichael … that’s a good idea. Then they could always reprise the Charleses-es.

        I think he did hear the “Lisa,” Michael, b/c it was on the back of the Tron poster. 🙂

      • timlay says:

        i do not think there will be one its a fake out everyone, just to keep the gullible watching. If sarah is going off with another guy then you may see them back together in the later part of season 4, so i doudt you will see a wedding never mind a proposal.

      • thinkling says:

        Hey, Timlay, quit drinking the cool-aid. Sarah going off with another guy? Ain’t gonna happen. No way. Now how.

      • Michael says:

        @thinkling

        > Charleses-es

        Oh No! I loved that, as silly as that was. Charles Charles.

        > b/c it was on the back of the Tron poster.

        I have to see if I can freeze frame that shot. I don’t remember everything on there. And that might be a continuity error as Chuck didn’t look like he had heard her. I thought the scene was to show her walls breaking down, but that they weren’t quite down yet.

        @timlay
        > going off with another guy
        Unlikely, as they said that they weren’t going to break them up.

        As for the gullible viewers, I think the Shaw thing last year cost them a lot of viewers. A wedding would give them a boost. Where to best put it would be another matter.

      • timlay says:

        just what i read i take spoilers with some disbelief but at the same time twice beaten. If they go down the road of splitting them up and they/she goes off with someone else well it confirms that bad reputation and i doudt there could be a proposal all the bits that the recent arcs have gone so far to fix things will be lost. It could be she goes off after volkov or its a mission i agree it would kill the show if they went LI again. I just cannot help given the attitude of season 3 they may think they can do it again to drag the relationship out. All i am saying is that its a bad idea if they do go that way, instead of releasing cool stuff they release things like that bad idea after the sham last year. After 3.10 i was like ok this season is good and they have learned from their mess last year so need to tell the guys thats now been cancelled i am not going to be made a fool of again by TPTB. What it has done is made me less likely to watch when it returns.

      • atcdave says:

        Timlay I also decided long ago I will never re-watch most of the front part of S3, but other than that I love Chuck reruns. The main thing I learned about trusting TPTB is that they are mainly truthful when giving spoilers. Before S3 they pretty much told every horrible thing they were going to do; I was too optimistic and thought they were messing with us, so it hit me extra hard. But they DID tell the truth about what they were doing.
        So I believe them now when they talk spoilers. And they have clearly said Chuck and Sarah will be together all season this year. I think they “get it” that fans were not pleased or amused last season.

    • atcdave says:

      My bet is “Sarah Walker” has been her legal name since she joined the CIA. If not, as Thinkling mentions, a wedding license can fix that to whatever she wants with little hassle. I think she now sees herself as Sarah Walker either way, and Sarah Bartowski is likely the only other name she will ever want to have.

      • timlay says:

        Hi atcdave and thinkling

        Yeah like i said i got rid of season 3 the thing is i would like to see more cool spy couple not driven further apart thats not fun.

        i hope your right in that regard. We will see like i said i expect it to be a mission or something like that. To my mind such spoilers serve no purpose but to slowly drive casual viewers away just when the show needs them and when clearly that kind of thing is hated by most of the fan base. Not wise given a low viewership and a 7 week break. Oh well snow sports beckon me. Have a great xmas atcdave i enjoy talking with you guys and girls.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        I always called him a visual snore.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        whoops, put that in the wrong place.

      • thinkling says:

        @Tamara: Good one 🙂

    • Faith says:

      She told Heather Chandler, “Sarah Walker, and don’t you forget it.” Sarah Walker’s the one that fell for Chuck sometime before he fixed her phone and disabled bombs with computer viruses so she’s Sarah henceforth :-).

      • herder says:

        Sam was someone she didn’t like “…nobody, just a spy…” Sarah Walker is someone she likes and she likes that Chuck likes her too. She has high hopes for Sarah Walker, it’s Sarah that Chuck will propose to and it’s Sarah that will say yes. Sam only came about when she was trying to figure out who she was without Chuck. My question is who walks Sarah down the aisle, Jack Burton or Casey.

      • Faith says:

        Well said!

      • atcdave says:

        Interesting question Herder. I really hope we get Jack Burton for that one.

      • JC says:

        I still think they wrote themselves into a corner with the name/identity thing with Sarah.

        Sam, Jenny and every other alias she used including Sarah are apart of who she is now. So this idea that the Sarah we know didn’t exist until the pilot is odd. It comes off like she’s still playing a role. The Sarah she thinks Chuck wants not the one that she really is.

      • thinkling says:

        @Herder: I have opinions on both Jack and Casey. I can’t decide which I like better. I really like Jack and hope he comes back. But Casey is such a big brother …

      • Michael says:

        @JC

        And if Sarah’s history is as bad as it is made out to be, perhaps that is all she has been doing. Playing a role.

        Nah!

        While that would be a freakin’ incredible story, TPTB would be hunted down and strung up the fans.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        Forgive this little rant. I’ll be brief, and I do respect y’all’s POV

        As I read “Sarah is who she is” or “Sam is someone she doesn’t like” or similar, all I see is people (nice people mind you) trying to justify something the show did that defies justification. (Very similar to what a lot of people have done in trying to justify Sham) The name reveal was perfectly set-up in Wookie, and what should have been a truly tender moment between Chuck and Sarah, was wasted in Fake Name. There is no other way to explain it.

        Honestly, I would still like a proposal this season but I would take a “name reveal fix” over a wedding this season, it’s that important to me.

        That being said, like everything that happened in S3, I doubt we hear about it in S4, and maybe that’s best.

      • atcdave says:

        You know I agree Joseph. I think the Sham in general and the name reveal in particular was an utter betrayal of the fans who saved the show. Its not what any of us wanted to see and made no sense from a set-up/structure point of view.

        But that said, its in the past. Much as I would love Sarah to “admit” she was lying to Shaw for some reason; I’m quite certain TPTB have no such intent, and as such I’d prefer they left it alone.

      • Faith says:

        She can always walk herself. Kinda like symbolism of who she has had to be giving herself to Chuck without baggage, without doubts.

        But I would absolutely love to have Jack Burton in the audience though. I want everyone back for a wedding if there is one…Carina, Jack, even Jill LOL. Well Jill not for the wedding specifically but somewhere in the wedding planning would be hilarious!

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Lou’s Deli could do the catering and Hannah could either DJ or do the wedding photos. It could be an interesting wedding. Toss in Alex Forest as the Bachelor Party entertainment and then we’re talking a Chuck-style wedding.

      • atcdave says:

        I’ll agree with Faith’s post, Ernie not so much! Carina and Jill are two reactions I really want to see. Jill might be more fun after they are married. I’d like to see Cole return too. But I really don’t need to see Lou or Hannah again.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        Quite frankly , I’d love to find out Carina’s reactions to what happened after she gave Sarah the drive with Chuck’s confession of love on it and the whole Sham thing. Bonus if she’s met Shaw and describes him as boring and creepy and asks Sarah what was she thinking.

      • herder says:

        She could call him the thing that makes a yawn yawn.

      • thinkling says:

        @Faith: I get that Sarah has been independent and alone and has reached this point after much growth and personal struggle. So on some level it would be fitting for her to walk herself. But if Jack is back (and I really hope he is), I want him to do the honors. First, there’s a theme of redemption running through “Chuck.” Even though Jack was a pretty bad father, he does seem to love his daughter; and she seems to want that love and return it, as imperfect as it all is. So I think it would be a healing, redemptive moment for both of them (very Chuck-like). Second, a smattering of normalcy for Sarah wouldn’t be such a bad thing.

        Hey, Ellie had two escorts down the aisle. Why couldn’t Casey and Jack both walk her down?

        As for Jack, I’d like to see him back for the wedding and also get hijacked into a mission with TeamB, preferably getting to see some great C/S couple moments, a dynamic-duo fight, and maybe some MamaB (read Mama Bear) moments.

      • jason says:

        think – I can’t believe there is any doubt, jack will walk her down the isle. Only thing I would ?, is will the giant blond shemale have a man maid of honor …. morgan best man, casey maid of honor, Corgan fans should be smilin ear to ear. That would leave devon and ellie as the other attendants.

      • thinkling says:

        Casey, Devon, and Morgan stand up for Chuck, and Ellie, Alex, and Carina for Sarah.

    • joe says:

      What name Sarah uses and who walks her down the aisle is important, but for me the most important thing is…

      What music will be playing??

      • thinkling says:

        Um, NOT Jeffster, please? 😉

      • Bellatrix says:

        The tipical wedding march would do for me… as long as jeffster stays away from the instruments (just remember ellie’s wedding) 🙂

      • Michael says:

        Just when you think a topic has died of, it comes back to life. Not that I am complaining! 🙂

        @Joe

        > What music will be playing??

        I would have to vote for the traditional march. A very untraditional relationship between two very different people needs a little tradtion to put a little badly needed normalcy into their lives.

        Now, here would be a very cool way to make a big PR splash for Chuck, the show. A contest with ten lucky winners attending the wedding as guests of the couple and make it a live TV event. Could it be done?

      • Bellatrix says:

        Thinkling, great minds think alike.. But load the page at different times (im a bit slowr 🙂 )

      • Ernie Davis says:

        What music will be playing??

        Jeffster’s rendition of The Ohio Players “Love Rollercoaster” obviously.

      • thinkling says:

        Bellatrix … only b/c I’m a little bit closer to the equator.

      • joe says:

        Jeffster’s rendition of The Ohio Players “Love Rollercoaster” obviously.

        ACK! MY EARS! THEY BLEED!!! No!!! No Jeffster! I BEG YOU!

        So what could possibly be better than Christmas TV, I wonder? Honestly, I come up empty.

      • Faith says:

        I’m going to go with either Bon Iver and National. Bonus if it revisits old emotions.

      • jason says:

        which is more likely true

        1 – a wedding ep in 4×24 is the best way to get season 5?

        2 – a wedding ep delay until season 5 is the best way to get a season 5?

        NBC got 2nd last night, Sing Off killed, 2.8M, don’t have the link, but google TVBTN or tv by the numbers

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Wait, are you guys seriously considering the possibility that a Chuck and Sarah wedding will be a serious and traditional one? Even if it’s planned that way at the very least it has to involve terrorists and Sarah kicking butt in her wedding dress.

        The second wedding on the beach can be more romantic if that’s the one we’re talking about. But I’m more interested in the first. 😉

      • joe says:

        I’m coming up empty on National Bonus, Faith, but it sure sound intriguing! Is that a group or a Bon Iver piece?

        This will sound hokey, but I almost think I’d like to hear The Carpenter’s classic We’ve Only Just Begun.

        Yes, I know it was overdone, but even *that* was a long time ago!

      • Bellatrix says:

        Wait… wat about the proposal? Has someone thought what will happen now that his plan has been revealed? In what do you expect as a plab “b”?

      • Bellatrix says:

        Oops! I meant PLAN b

      • herder says:

        Plan B, my guess, takes place at the fountain, the reverse of Awesome’s proposal in Marlin. Instead of Chuck and Sarah looking in through the window, you get Awesome and Ellie looking out at Chuck and Sarah.

      • bdaddydl says:

        i know I am an emotional sap, but feeling good is probably a safe bet.

        I would personally like to hear Angel Eyes from the Jeff Healey band.

      • joe says:

        Hum… either the interrupted part of the proposal or the part where the bad guys swoop in with a battalion to mess things up should be accompanied by Billy Idol’s White Wedding. Yes?

      • thinkling says:

        @Ernie: I definitely expect terrorists and knife play and guns, oh my. Perhaps Chuck will flash during the ceremony, and all sorts of silent communication will be buzzing among Casey, Morgan, Carina, MamaB, and GB. Chuck & Sarah will barely get hitched before pandemonium ensues, followed by a more intimate reception at an undisclosed backup location.

        Actually the wedding could be 4.23, at the end of which Mrs. Bartowski (the giant blond one) gets kidnapped, thus delaying the honeymoon until the end of 4.24 after Chuck, with the help of TeamB, rescues his wife.

        Season 5 begins during the honeymoon, which is interrupted by ninjas and mayhem and GBTV with a new urgent mission.

      • Bellatrix says:

        I was guessing he will try to set up a romantic dinner with candles, roses and stuff on the buy more’s ceiling

      • thinkling says:

        @Herder: I love your plan b!

      • thinkling says:

        @Bellatrix: that is also a good plan b. 😉

        I say a couple of attempts get thwarted in one episode, without Sarah really knowing, but Chuck finally proposes in the storage closet.

      • thinkling says:

        @Jason: the way to get a season 5 is for people to keep watching season 4. A wedding in the works would do that, I think.

      • Bellatrix says:

        Thinkling, I really love the idea of several frustrated propositions with ellie helping chuck (this would make up for the lost ellie time in the process of re intersecting chuck) it would make a very funny episode. 🙂
        Well I must leave now because I have to get to my sipalki class (korean kung fu)
        Later!

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Proposal scenarios. 1) 10,000 foot freefall jump on a mission, sealing Chuck and Sarah’s rightful claim to be the REAL Awesomes of the Bartowski clan. 2) Rescues her on a mission, with a tank (she appreciates the tank) and then proposes.

        For the sappy romantics, it’s the perfect chance for Chuck to whip out his musical theater background and serenade Sarah (and the excuse everyone wants for Zach to sing). No intersect needed Schwedak. It’s well established Chuck played Perchik in Fiddler on the Roof, and was great, according to Morgan.

      • thinkling says:

        How about hang gliding. Lasts longer and is a little calmer. Actually, you can stay in the air for a long time.

      • Faith says:

        So much specs for proposal plan b but I’m being held hostage by statistics lol.

        I will say though that smallville is killing it this week with that. Proposal by their phone booth. ♥!

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I’m being held hostage by statistics

        Wow, what are the odds of that happening? So what is the probability distribution of the proposal?

      • Faith says:

        Ernie: 😛

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        Why can’t Chuck propose to Sarah in front of Diane? 🙂

        Thus endith Duck 😦

      • Faith says:

        I got a classic pick for song to walk down the aisle to that doesn’t necessarily apply to Chuck ;-): Rita Hayworth’s/Martha Meara Long ago and far away. Here are the lyrics:

        Dreary days are over
        Life’s a four leaf clover
        Sessions of depression are through
        Every hope I longed for long ago, comes true

        Long ago and far away
        I dreamed a dream one day
        And now that dream is here beside me

        Long the skies were overcast
        But now the clouds have passed
        You’re here at last!

        Chills run up and down my spine
        Aladdin’s Lamp is mine
        The dream I dreamed was not denied me

        Just one look and then I knew
        That all I longed for
        Long ago was you

      • Anonymous says:

        Faith, great song.
        One line caught my eye.
        Aladdin’s Lamp is mine

        Now I understand why my fortunes have been in a free fall.;) Someone stole my lamp. 🙂

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        That Anonymous was me. 🙂

      • JC says:

        What music will be playing??

        Since the show loves the 80’s, you have to go with greatest love song from that decade.

        Glory of Love by Peter Cetera from the Karate Kid Pt2. Just look at the lyrics.

        I am a man who will fight for your honor
        I’ll be the hero you’re dreaming of
        We’ll live forever
        Knowing together that we
        Did it all for the glory of love

        You’ll keep me standing tall
        You’ll help me through it all
        I’m always strong when you’re beside me
        I have always needed you
        I could never make it alone

      • Faith says:

        ^I’d have thought you’ve been giving it away..Alladinsgenie-“4u” lol.

  13. Michael says:

    @herder

    > Sam was someone she didn’t like “…nobody, just a spy…”

    But, was that her real name?

    I don’t think she likes her father very much. Isn’t he in prison?

    I would guess that Casey is the more likely candidate.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      The last time we saw her father he was walking away , so unless he got caught for something else he isn’t in prison. If he is it certainly hasn’t been mentioned.

  14. joe says:

    OMG! We can be soooo oblivious sometimes!

    We were all wondering what might be up with Chuck’s latest download/upgrade/fix to the Intersect. It can only be one thing.

    Chuck has new perfect-proposing powers!

    • herder says:

      No, that is why Roan is back, Chuck needs advice on the perfect proposal: get a white blazer, a single red rose, a bottle of Chateau Lafitte-Rothchilde and an heirloom ring… .

    • Faith says:

      It better be perfect because he doesn’t have the pressure of what she may answer so the stress really is coming from the how.

      I think it goes without saying, no ball games proposal. I don’t care if she’s the biggest lakerfan this side of the nation (aka me lol) that’s unimaginative.

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