2010: Rest in Peace

Regular commenter Jason asked on another thread,  how did this year for the blog (and the show?) shape up versus expectations?

Interesting question. I thought it would merit its own thread so here we go. It was quite a year for Chuck.


So far,  every episode that has aired since we started this site has aired in 2010.  The mood here has changed a lot during that period.  There was so much frustration with the start of S3; and by comparison, we are such a happy group now.  But the thing that has remained constant for me is how much fun I have coming to this community and discussing my favorite show.  Whether I’m angry with the writers, or trying to explain one of my half baked opinions about something; sorting stuff out here has been a favorite hobby of mine.  So much so I haven’t built a model since 2009,  or played a computer game more involved than Solitaire.  I don’t expect this particular obsession to much outlast the show,  but what a fun ride!

I guess that means I love this blog.  Whether the show delivers or not, the discussion here is always a good time.  I hope everyone has as much fun sharing and debating as I do.  I mean, who else can we talk Chuck with for hours on end?  I’m not one for more profound thoughts than that, but I’m sure Joe, Ernie or Thinkling could fill a few pages on this topic.  I look forward to everyone’s thoughts.

– Dave

Dave, forgive me for tacking onto your post, but this was the best vehicle for what I wanted to say. And for Jason, I’m kicking myself for not thinking of this post sooner! Thanks for the impetus.

This site – you guys – have exceeded my expectations from about day 2. Seriously, I never expected to get so many hits and then to maintain the numbers we’ve had all year. More-so, like Faith said in comments, I never expected to find so many well-spoken, intelligent people that shared my interest in Chuck, the story and the characters. You guys have always been amazing.

For me personally, I just love what’s happened in the story and the way it was reflected here. The trauma of S3.0 made The Honeymooners, all of S3.5 and so far, all of S4 that much sweeter for me. The excitement of the January start, the extra 6 in the spring, the renewal and then 11 more episodes for S4 was just wonderful.

But the best part of writing about all this was reading what Amy, Dave, Ernie, Faith and Thinkling had written. Not only the posts, but the comments too have made this site a favorite of mine. It would be that even if I had nothing to do with it. Some of the other sites I frequent (which have nothing to do with this topic) are famous, renown, even touted for their quality or the quality of their comment sections. I honestly believe that none of them come close to what we have here.

This year had several high points too. Ernie joined us in January (well, actually I introduced him in a post 1 year ago today – happy anniversary, Ernie!), Faith became a regular author and Thinkling joined us this fall. I can’t take the credit for recognizing their talent – that was Dave and Amy’s doing. I just recognized that they were right!

We had a great effort and a great time with Chucktoberfest this year, which I think was directly responsible for the 11 episode addition (yes, that’s still my story and I’m still sticking to it). The podcasting with OldDarth, Jan and Karen has been a blast.

My only regret has been that I haven’t been able to do something like ComicCon and I haven’t been able to meet any of you personally. I hope that time will come.

‘Till then, Happy New Year to all of you.

– joe

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72 Responses to 2010: Rest in Peace

  1. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Cant believe 2010 is no more (the new year has started for me). RIP 2010!!.

    As for this blog. What can I say – I love it and my only regret is that I found this site only when Season 3 was coming to an end. But as Faith said in the other thread – it’s all about the community which inhabits this blog. It’s this lovable community of fans that keeps this blog vibrant,enjoyable and a pleasure to boot. So, thank you all – specially Joe, Ernie, Dave, Amy, Faith and Thinkling and everyone who posts here – for making this blog so awesome.

    • joe says:

      Happy New Year, Genie. You commenters have made this easy. You’ve let it remain a labor of love for us.

    • thinkling says:

      Happy New Year, Alladins! You add lots of fun comments to the site.

      Long after Chuck has ended, whether in 2011 or 2017, or in my dotage, I will remember you and your brain bleach. 🙂

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        New Year Resolution No.999 – Ensure a continuous supply of brain bleach to Thinkling – she will never forget me ( even in her dotage) 🙂

        And to all others – See! brain bleach does have it’s advantages and it’s cheaper than greeting cards. 🙂

      • thinkling says:

        Aww I feel so loved. My own life-time supply of Genie’s brain bleach.

        😛

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Thinkling

        Genie’s Brain Bleach – Wow! We have a brand name now. *hurries to carry out the required steps to obtain a patent* 🙂

        If I get the patent – would you demand royalty? *please say no, please say no* 🙂

      • thinkling says:

        My own uninterrupted lifetime supply is royalty enough 😉

  2. jason says:

    great stuff

    @dave – I too probably will leave the TV blog scene at some point never to return if / when Chuck winds down in another 5 or 10 seasons, beats the heck out of me how I ever got here in the first place, sort of one of the odder things that I have done, but have had a blast doing so.

    @joe – one observation if I may, what separates chuckthis from the rest is this site is family & tries to treat everyone as such – Aces, man!

    Finally, one resolution, I resolve to be positive to others on this site, I was far too ‘naughty’ for my own good in the season past, Faith, help me if I get it wrong – it’s a new day, it’s a new dawn, and I’m feelin good!

    Happy New Year Everyone!

    • joe says:

      Honest opinion is always appreciated too, Jason. It lets me enjoy the “aces” even more.

      Happy New Year.

    • atcdave says:

      Thanks for your kind words Jason. We try to value everyone’s opinion here; right or wrong(!). It is tough when we get passionate about what’s going on, and I think we are to begin with or we wouldn’t even be looking for a site like this. I also wonder sometimes how this became such a huge part of my leisure time; I’ve visited other blogs on scale modeling and strategy gaming, but only occasionally commented. This is a first for me. When Chuck ends I will miss both the blog and the show. I’m not sure if I will ever get involved with another, perhaps if there is a solid Chuck connection…

    • Faith says:

      I don’t think you’re not positive (naughty!), I think you’re really passionate and that’s not a bad thing. If there ever was a year end review of the blog you’d find that our emotions went the gamut from pure devastation to unbridled enthusiasm, not unlike you. Case and point this was a post from me:

      “I’m an idiot for believing and an idiot for continuing to have faith.”

      Back in March.

      I posted a chart of fan reaction sometime after season 3, if I can dig it up I’ll repost it…it pretty much shows just how labile our emotions have been this year lol. Anyways, most definitely: “new dawn, new day…and I’m feeling good” 😀

      • amyabn says:

        Amen sister! I just happened to re-watch Honeymooners and your quote from the end of that episode just brings it back. I really consider Season 4 to have started back at Honeymooners and this is one giant, GENIUS season.

  3. Ernie Davis says:

    I started writing a post yesterday, and in that post was this passage.

    Before I move on I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention the Anniversary. No not the Chuck marathon one, a more personal one. It is one year ago today (December 30th in case I don’t publish this for a bit) that Joe, Dave and Amy were kind enough to invite me to be a contributor to this blog. In that year I’ve had more fun with the most wonderful group of net-friends, commenters and co-bloggers out there than I ever could have imagined. We helped each other through the dark days and now we’re still here to enjoy the genius. I wouldn’t change it for the world, even if I can’t find my surly misanthropic center anymore. Thanks guys, all of you. You are the best.

    I think I’ll let the passage stand in for my 2010 year in blogging Chuck. This blog is an amazing community, an amazing family and in my experience something unique and precious to have survived and preserved itself as it is on the net. We all have all of you to thank. I wish you all nothing but happiness for 2011 and beyond.

  4. thinkling says:

    I also wonder sometimes how this became such a huge part of my leisure time; I’ve visited other blogs …

    Me, too. This is my first active blogging experience. I didn’t find Chuck until May of last year. After I ran out of episodes, I started reading a few blogs. This blog stands out because people are not only well-spoken and intelligent, but also positive and cordial. I found that the posts were great and the comments mature and thoughtful.

    So, I stuck my toe in the waters and started commenting. My first comment was sort of long (I know, hard to believe), and I was surprised anybody finished reading it, let alone responded. But Joe and Amy did, as did some others. Cool, the ChuckThis community listens. I think that’s rare. It’s been such fun and you are all such a great community. I am a late comer, so I credit Joe, Dave, Ernie, and Amy with what they built long before I joined. And Faith, too, because she was contributing long before I came along. Any way I thank them for their gracious invitation to join as a blogger. It’s been an honor to be a part of them. They’re great, and I’ve enjoyed it thoroughly. And thanks to the whole community for your patience with my verbosity. 😉

    Happy New Year and God’s blessings to you all.

    • Anonymous says:

      My only previous blogging experience was back when they were called Newsgroups. I posted 1 comment (only a sentence) on a Babylon 5 group and everyone was so mean to me I never even read blogs after that.

      This group is so great, most of the time ya’ll even disagree kindly!

      • joe says:

        Ah, Usenet, the invention of flame-wars and trolls! Those were the good ol’ days. 😉

        I can only imagine what a Bab-5 group would have been like, Anon. The networks put Joe Straczynski through the wringer after their second season. And the fans were up in arms with every change that show had to go through. Cancellations, move to another network, 3 captains, good characters gone rogue, the deaths of beloved characters… It was a runaway freight train.

      • atcdave says:

        I’m glad to hear you’ve found this blog to be a good experience. There was so much bad blood as a result of S3, and tempers did flair even here; but it pleases me that we still have a diverse readership with many different views. We (mostly) play nice together, and I enjoy the disputes as much as the agreements.

      • thinkling says:

        You’re right Anon. There are a lot of very mean spirited, if not outright hateful, sites and commenters out there. The fact we can disagree (mostly) agreeably is nice.

  5. amyabn says:

    I too want to wish everyone a very Happy New Year! I got to sit down with Dave and his wife again over the break and I echo Joe’s wish that we all get a chance to meet some day! I also shared with them, and now with you, how much this blog has meant to me.

    This blog was born out of a frustration at another site and we vowed to be different. I dare say we succeeded, and it is in no small part due to our readers. I say without shame that we are all a bunch of articulate schnooks! This blog has also become a refuge of sorts from the day to day grind that has been consuming me more and more of late. I haven’t been able to put the time in like I used to and it frustrates me. I appreciate everyone’s patience!

    Special thanks to Joe, Dave, Ernie, Faith, and Thinkling for their insights, friendship, and behind the scenes banter that I’ve come to cherish.

    May God bless all of you in 2011!

  6. OldDarth says:

    Hmmm, Jan and Karen get mentioned by name and I do not. Not sure how to interpret that Joe. ;D

    Happy New Years everyone!

    • joe says:

      Ah! I always forget which one is Happydayz3 and which is Aleveria. And I can never remember if it’s Aleveria or Aliveria!!!

      But for all that, there’s only one OldDarth. 😉

      Happy New Year, Lou.

  7. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    Happy New Year Amigos –
    I look forward to reading your reviews, insights, explainations and cross-examinations well into the new year.
    I have a sneaky feeling whats still upstream – may be even greater than the water already under the bridge.
    I’m looking forward to a great story. From what has been covered so far in S4- and the glimpse of what still needs to be delt with – 2011 will be the Best Chuck yet!
    Take care – cheers

  8. JC says:

    Kinda late but Happy New Years everyone.

    I started coming here right after Nacho Sampler. At the time I had a less than pleasant greeting at other sites. Lets just say until I came here my opinion of Chuck fans wasn’t that high. This blog changed that.

    What I think separates this place from others is even though we all have different opinions you’d never know it. People aren’t dismissed because they might see something different, my fanboy love of Bryce or constant rants about continuity is proof of that.

    As much as I’ll miss the show when its gone I’ll miss the conversations here more.

    • joe says:

      Right back at ya, JC.

      I’m getting more confident every day that we’ll see a fifth season, but until we know more, I’m grateful that there’s so much left of this one. We’re not even half way through yet!

    • atcdave says:

      Glad to hear you felt welcome here JC. I know different bloggers will have different philosophies, but I always thought it was more interesting to have people on both sides of most issues. I’ve enjoyed many of our discussions over these months, both when we agree and when we don’t. I hope we are still enjoying the show and this site a year from now!

  9. Big Kev says:

    Have been away for a while enjoying the festive season and (finally!) some Australian summer – but I wanted to add my own thanks to everyone for this blog.
    The calendar year marks my anniversary of discovering this site almost exactly, because I came here in an attempt to understand what TPTB had done to my show in Pink Slip. Once here, I found Liz James’ excellent thoughts about where commercial realities intersect with the artistic process, and tried to live Ernie’s sage advice about trying to see the story as shown rather than the story I might like to be told.
    And between them, and some better episodes, I largely made my peace with season 3 and enjoyed most of it.
    I am an unashamed fan of Ernie’s work in particular, as I have a similar tendency to delve deeper and deeper the more interested I get – but the clarity and passion of the vast majority of the posts makes reading a pleasure. I’ve learned much about the art of writing and the mechanics of producing a TV show from what I’ve read here. It’s all more interesting than I ever imagined!
    Occasionally the blog can frustrate, when it sometimes is taken over by a “TPTB are idiots and know nothing/hate their audience” mentality – but, like the show itself, the occasional disappointment is more than outweighed by the pleasure.
    So to founders and posters alike, thank you all for this little community that I’ve enjoyed so much this year. May 2011 bring great things for all of you.

    • amyabn says:

      Big Kev, I know this is off topic but I was wondering if you could recommend a reputable charity in Australia for the flooding victims? I asked another of my Aussie friends but haven’t heard back. Thanks, Amy

    • Big Kev says:

      Hi Amy!
      Thank you for taking the time and trouble to donate. Heavy rain in Queensland and bushfires in the drier South East are regular hazards, but we’ve had horrifically extreme examples of both recently.
      Probably the safest way to donate is via the Queensland State Govt website – http://www.qld.gov.au/floods. The Australian Red Cross has also had flood appeals, but I can’t yet see one for this flood – so the State Govt site is probably your best bet.

      • amyabn says:

        Thanks mate. I have an affection for Australia and got to visit once. I’ve also worked with Australian Armed Forces. I’d love to go back and get to spend some time there. At any rate, it is a good cause so I appreciate the link and I’ll see what I can fit in the old budget.

      • joe says:

        Kev, I hope you don’t mind – I twittered that link just a bit ago. It’s a good cause.

        I can’t guarantee it’ll help, but it surely won’t hurt.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      Hey Kev, thanks for the kind words. And I’m with you on the vilainization of TPTB.

  10. M.A.L says:

    I have enjoyed this blog even when you destroyed season 3.0, to be fair I understand how TPTB used all the good will from fan campaignes and threw it away by only writing a story for themselves….thinking they only had 13 episodes and they probably would not have to deal with the fans once they were over….oh but NBC schedule failed and they were forced to write material for the fans….and NBC kept on failing and they got a season 4 and 11 extra episodes and probably a fifth season and have to keep writing for the fans…oh I Love NBC, without them humming and harring on whether to renew chuck we would never have got the greatness that is season 3.1 and 4 and hopefully 5, lol. heres to NBC! and a great 2011, well not too great but you know what I mean…..if you don’t more chuck….lol.

    • James Bond says:

      I agree (about TPTB only writing a season for themselves), I think if chuck had ended after the original 13, then that would have left a very sour taste in everyones mouth, everybody and his/her dog knew before the season started that fans wanted chuck and sarah together, the fact that they only put them together in the last 5 minutes of the 13 would not have gone down well especially if that was the end. I think a better season of 13 would have been 8/9 TPTB story and 4/5 fan story……they are so lucky that they got an extra 6 episodes to fix their deciet of the fans and restore some good will with fans and also it has been wise that they are using season 4 and the rest of season 5 to fix the relationship with the fans, because what they did in 3.0 was selfish and naughty and out of line, using the fans to get another season and writing selfishly for themselves….I look forward to the continueing apology, especially when if it was only 13 we would have had 7 episodes of shaw and sarah in a relationship and only 1 with chuck and sarah which would have sucked, especially how terrible shaw and sarah were……

      • atcdave says:

        I agree entirely with James Bond (which is so cool to say). I’m not sure if I ever would have done another save the show campaign for anyone if Chuck had ended at 3.13; that would have left a bad taste for a long time. I think the show we’ve seen since then is not only close to what I always thought Chuck could be, but it makes me hope for more TV shows to break the 25 year old romance model that really isn’t ever very satisfying.

      • James Bond says:

        I know to this day three things really still annoy me about season 3:

        1) The name reveal (sarah=same)
        2) Hannah leaving and not shaw – I had no problem with her and chuck breaking up, I just thought Kristen Kreuk had better chemistry with Ellie, Awesome, Morgan and everyone else on chuck that she would have been an asset and far less annoying then shaw ever was.
        3) Shaw – This guy was the worst thing to ever happen to this show! How did no one frome The EP’s, network executives all the way down the hierarchy to jonny the high school intern not put their hand up after 3.07 and say shaw sucks and hannah is awesome and I know we have this story but we got to keep her and get rid of shaw, they were so dumb!

  11. sd says:

    Wow…season three chatter…did a lot of us get the disc set in our stockings for Christmas? I know I did.

    In fact, I am watching some of these eps for only the second time and I have to say, it’s interesting to view them knowing what we know about C/S now. It clearly doesn’t make The Mask any less cringe inducing but it’s cool to see some things in season three through the prism of season 4.

    So–I throw this out there–anyone feeling more charitable about some of season three (before Honeymooners) based on what we know what the writers are doing now?

    Cheers and Happy New Year!

    • treecrab says:

      Heh, if anything, it makes me more bitter and lament Season 3 even more, seeing what they could have done with the show but were too afraid to try until they had no choice.

      • Bond says:

        Yeah I think why are they worried about the moonlighting curse if you only have 13 episodes and that is it? They only thought they had 13, but the truth is at heart tptb do not care about chuck and Sarah, when it comes to it they showed their true colours which is unfortunate but the way it is. In a way the only shipper appears (from interviews) Yvonne, certainly not zach but hey we are still getting what we want so cool

    • JC says:

      To answer your question about S3, not really. There were so many false moments and angst driven plots that made no sense at the time and even less now. The fact that they had to rehash a lot of themes from last season is proof enough they know how screwed up it was.

      • Bond says:

        Did they think they screwed up? Probably not because they do not care about what their fans care about and that disconnect caused mask apocolypse?

      • Big Kev says:

        JC,
        Agree completely. To me, the whole of S4 so far is an apology for what we think they got wrong in S3. Even to the extent of, IMO, wasting 2 episodes of an original 13 episode order merely to give us plenty of Chuck and Sarah fluff (Suitcase and Cubic Z), they’ve brought in substantial guest stars, family centred plots, promised us no more LI’s – short of putting an ad in the New York Times saying “Sorry”, I’m not sure what else they can do.
        S3 was a confusing mess, but these guys are actually the ones with their livelihoods and careers on the line. Some people may have felt betrayed by S3, but none of those people stood to lose their jobs over it. Fedak did, and as easy as it is to bash him sometimes, the bottom line is that he fixed the mess, firstly in 3.5 and now in S4. Even the best people make mistakes, the test is how they respond to them and what they learn. I’m not quite of the opinion that S4 is “genius”, but it’s a damn good season so far – so lessons learned, as far as I’m concerned.

      • Niall says:

        Yeah big Kev you say people make mistakes and that fedak has tried to fix the problem. But the fact remains that they thought that they had only 13 episodes and in truth chuck and sarah was an after thought for them and it came across in the 13 episodes where they put them together in the last 5 minutes of the episode, that tells fans that we know you want it, but we do not care and so we will write what we want to….just because they got extra episodes and a season 4 does not change that when it mattered they only cared about what they wanted, not good business sense when you do not give your customers what they want….

      • Niall says:

        Also the truth is chuck went from a 3.0 to a 1.7 where fans abandoned the show and it is not the fans fault it was fedaks fault that they nearly got cancelled because they sucked the fun out of chuck that fans got in seasons 1 and 2 and it is not our fault but theirs. The thing is it was not rocked science or the de vinci code they knew what would keep their fans and they played with fire, it will take a long time for fans to put faith back in this show and the way to do it is keep giving your fans what they want when they want it!

      • JC says:

        @Big Kev

        Yeah I don’t there’s much else they can do. I still have some issues about the show but they existed before S3 and other than a couple minor ones from last season I’ve been fairly happy. And I admit I’ve been harsh when it comes to Fedak, sometimes justified others not so much. I do think he brings it on himself sometimes with the interviews he gives. Like you I wouldn’t say this season is genius I’d put it up there with S1 which is high marks from me.

      • Big Kev says:

        Niall,
        With respect, I don’t think S3 proved that they didn’t care about their fans at all. They chose to write a standard Hollywood wt/wt where the couple gets together in the last act – presumably in the hope that a more conventional “heroic” Chuck figure may draw in more viewers and actually prolong the show for those very same fans they’re not supposed to care about.
        No doubt that the decision didn’t work, either commercially or in terms of writing and entertainment, and they’ve copped justifiable criticism for that. But to say that proves they don’t care about their fans is an assertion too far, I think.

      • Big Kev says:

        JC – Yep. I’d have it just below S1 but that’s still pretty good TV. I’m slowly accepting that the show reached it’s creative peak with the back half of S2, and hasn’t approached that since….but it’s still a consistent 7 or 8/10 for me. And that’s perfectly good enough.

      • JC says:

        @Big Kev

        Completely agree about S2, I’ve lowered my expectations that we’ll never get that quality again. And that’s not me taking a shot at the TPTB. Lots of my favorite shows hit that peak once and never again. Veronica Mars had an almost flawless first season and tailed off during the next two.

        Now this might get me killed here but if we do get a S5 I hope the TPTB know its the last. I think we’re hitting the bottom of the barrel in terms of stories they can tell. Now if they were to take a risk and make some major changes to the cast,setting and dynamics I’d be up for more seasons but not the way it is now.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @JC – Seasons 1&2 were the highlight. I still count them both as one big extended season.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC – what follows is in good humor. Please don’t mind.
        Now this might get me killed here but if we do get a S5 I hope the TPTB know its the last.

        Ahem! Did you know that as soon as your post appeared, patrons of this blog have put out a contract on you. What’s your address BTW ? 🙂 😉

      • JC says:

        @Genie

        Are you talking about Chuck or Veronica Mars? If you haven’t watched VM run out and buy S1 now.

        With Chuck S1 has some of my favorite episodes of the series and what I think are the strongest of the show. The only flaw was the overall arc was weak but I blame the strike for that. S2 had a stronger arc but some weaker episodes and rushed stories (Jill!) but as a whole was one of favorite seasons of a show ever. In fact some part of me wishes the show had ended with Colonel minus the ending with Roarke.

      • atcdave says:

        I would agree that from a pure story-telling perspective S2 was the pinnacle. S1 quickly made Chuck my favorite show on the air when it debuted, and I still re-watch those first three episodes regularly.
        But whatever small deficiencies S4 may have compared to S2 are small; and the show is in such a happy place now, its my favorite ever just for that alone.

    • atcdave says:

      SD, I’m still not feeling charitable towards S3 at all. I think the whole front 13, apart from the Awesome arc (3.03 & 3.04) is a dreadful mess. They screwed up at Pink Slip and didn’t fix it until Other Guy, so that’s about as bad a season can get. Its almost painful how good Honeymooners was, and really the whole show ever since. It just makes me angry that they squandered so much fan goodwill and were willing to waste what could have been the last episodes ever on such an ill-conceived pile of c***.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Aha! Here we go again. 🙂

      • atcdave says:

        It will never end. I admit I’m as much to blame for that as anyone. And I prefer talking about S4. But S3 will always be an important part of the show’s history. It would be like discussing WWII US naval strategy without covering Pearl Harbor or Savo Island.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Hey! You have my company in the blame boat. 🙂 TBH, I cant keep myself away from a thread whenever Season 3 raises it’s head. But I am trying hard to focus on Season 4.

        Just to go slightly off topic – will 2011 see some new improvements to the Intersect say for example – embedded skills recalled from memory and not from flashing (credit JC). How many of us here think that there will indeed be something new about the Intersect and how many feel that the Intersect-less arc was just a waste with no new improvements to the Intersect? *my attempt at steering the convo to Season 4 :)*

      • JC says:

        I think I’ve said I’m done talking about S3 five times already but it never sticks.

        I do think there’s something different with the Intersect 3.0(?), whether its embedded skills who knows. I’ve held onto my Omaha spec for years and I won’t let this one die either.

        Even with improvements the Intersect less arc was still pointless other than Phase Three. Chuck’s IQ dropped fifty points and he looked like he had never been on a mission before. This could have been a chance to rid themselves of last season’s Chuck can’t function without the Intersect garbage but they didn’t. But in truth I think it was more about fixing damage done to Sarah than anything else.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC
        I think it was more about fixing damage done to Sarah than anything else.

        As the cost of a severely regressed Chuck. Hope TPTB find a balance in the remaining 14 episodes.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        The New Intersect:
        Not sure where this post is likely to be in the order of the conversation – but…
        most assuredly YES – this is not just going to be Chuck reloaded…
        [ I can be wishfully confident with the best of ’em :)]
        If you recall the brief conversation that Bryce had with Orion – before Chuck uploaded 2.0 – Orion is concerned that there have been changes to his original design! So – flash forward to 4.10…
        [snicker]… I think that Chuck now has the crown jewel of his fathers creation. PLUS the neuro enhancements made by the genius of Dr. Ellie Woodcomb!!!
        I’m also fairly suspicious that we will learn that Chuck’s new intersect contains more Orion info and intel – stuff that the CIA or NSA didn’t even have… hmmm – Volkoff stuff??? – and I wonder if he’ll flash on a Sarah Walker file again???
        Whatever the case -its the new intersect that is going to be the ‘game changer’ going into the back half of S4. The element that tips the scales in favour of Team Bartowski!… that and hopefully Jeff finds someone to shave his back…

      • atcdave says:

        I hope we see some sort of better function on the Intersect. Maybe just making it less sensitive to Chuck’s emotional state of mind, and removing the need for the governor.

      • JC says:

        The reasons I want to see embedded skills or even just Kung Fu is it adds some specialness back to Chuck and would allow them to show some different flashes once in awhile.

      • Big Kev says:

        Yep – the regression of Chuck this season is by far the most disappointing development so far. I’m holding out hope that we see a return to Chuck using his smarts and his knowledge, maybe safe in the knowledge that Sarah really does love him for himself. Frankly, Chuck has irritated me the way Morgan used to for most of this season. My biggest hope for the rest of the season is for that to change.

        JC,
        I’m in sync with you today! At this point I wouldn’t be that upset if they announced an S5 for syndication and to wrap things up. Hopefully the back half will be good enough to change my mind.
        To me the show is at it’s best when compelling longer-duration stories are told with likable characters. Chuck and Sarah beating up a villain of the week wouldn’t be enough for me without an overarching story behind it – and like you, I’m not sure how many of those stories there are left to tell. I would love them to prove me wrong though!

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        I’d be OK with less intersect and more Chuck using his brains.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @Kev – It’s like TPTB are switching roles (sort of)- making Morgan appear more mature than Chuck – a reversal from the previous seasons. Have they done this intentionally? Maybe not. Or in their eagerness to define more and more Morgan, they have forgotten about Chuck’s qualities,stolen them from him and pasted them on Morgan – thereby at times making him look incompetent when compared to Morgan. That to me is a grave error – when it seems like the sidekick starts to hog the limelight and the titular hero fades into the shadows. *end of Morgan rant* Sorry, but I prefer more Casey to Morgan – hence my disgruntlement

      • Big Kev says:

        Alladins,
        I would never have thought I would say this after Seasons 1 and 2, but I think Morgan is now a more entertaining and better developed character than Casey.

        (I’m now ducking the hail of tomatoes heading my way, especially from Jason!….)

        But yeah – whatever the motivation is for making the titular character the most annoying of the main characters is beyond me.

      • JC says:

        Chuck’s regression and lack of real heroism is one of my main disappointments this season. It seems like he’s lost everything that made him special in S1 and 2, the whiny Chuck we saw recently is not a likable character. Without dragging this down I think its the same thing they did with Sarah last season. If they want to tell a story where Chuck or Sarah rescue the other there’s no need to make the other look like an incompetent idiot.

        I do think there’s lots of the stories they could tell but it would take them out of their comfort zone.

        I would marry them off this season, way too much time has been devoted to the relationship good or bad the last two seasons. Chuck and Sarah should always be the focus of the series not their relationship issues. That’s not to say they shouldn’t have problems but they really need to move forward. Get rid of the BuyMore, trim the cast and make Alex a regular. Either make Team B a good group of rogue spies like Orion or Beckman’s off the book team. Make Chuck into more of a Batman type character where he goes after a villain because he sees a threat no one else did. Show that his brain is as deadly as his fists, another Tron poster type moment. Give Sarah some growth thats not tied directly to Chuck and stop using her to generate darkness. Bring Ellie and Awesome in from the dark, they don’t have to be spies but they need better stories. Hire someone to handle continuity and nothing else.

      • atcdave says:

        I agree with every bit of that JC, I don’t believe it will ever happen, but that would be an awesome show.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        If they want to tell a story where Chuck or Sarah rescue the other there’s no need to make the other look like an incompetent idiot.

        Good observation JC.It happened with Sarah in 3×13 and Chuck in 4×08 to 4×09. Both the characters can be strong and intelligent, yet need help in danger – there’s nothing wrong about that nor does it diminish them.

        I would marry them off this season[edited for length]

        Viable solutions. Question is what exactly do TPTB plan on doing, do they have an end game in mind or do they make arcs and stories as the season progresses

        Hire someone to handle continuity and nothing else.

        Ha! Good one. *laughing*

      • JC says:

        @Dave and Genie

        I doubt they’d ever do what I suggested but I hope they move in that general direction. As it is I don’t think the show can sustain another season or two.

        @Genie

        I think Sarah was a victim of that for most of S3. They needed to show heroic Chuck so everyone else suffered for it. And again without derailing things it killed Shaw’s credibility as a villain. Its not turning evil made him competent all of the sudden.

        I can never pass up a jab at the continuity, its my ChuckThis drug of choice.

      • thinkling says:

        Great thread. I’ve been away for a couple of days, but this is all good stuff.

        I definitely think the intersect 3.0 will have improvements. If not they’ve wasted an opportunity (not the arc, just an opportunity). I agree with JC and Gringo’s spec that the 3.0 has an updated Intersect, plus Orion info, and neurological improvements courtesy of Ellie. (Gringo, I don’t really care if Jeff finds someone to shave his back or not. I just don’t want to know either way.)

        JC, yes, please, marry them off. Totally agree with your take. I’ve said for so long how great it would be to have a passionate, empowered married couple doing great things together. I don’t know what they’re worried about. Zach and Yvonne do all the heavy lifting.

        I’d love for them to be Beckman’s off the book team. I would add in LH to be a permanent part of TeamB. Give the Awesomes the current Buymore time. They could just buy whatever products need to be advertised. Awesome could walk in the door with lots of stuff for his new fam. They could even be in Buymore bags, if that helps.

        My penny’s worth of gray cells on Chuck’s regression is that it’s a mom thing, not just an Intersect-less thing. Like he said, she just pushes his buttons.

        @Aladins:
        As for the Intersect-less arc, I don’t think it was a waste of time. (I know some disagree.) I think Chuck had some pretty important epiphanies during the arc, as did Sarah. Could other events have produced the same results? Some of them yes, but not all. I think Chuck’s re-intersecting was important … that is his decision to do so and his new state of mind in making the decision.

  12. Bond says:

    If they cared they would not have given 6 episodes of the worst tv romance ever and 5 minutes of the best

  13. Niall says:

    Yeah even my cousins who have not reached pubity looked at sarah and shaw and said if that is a relationship I want to stay single for the rest of my life, so if it was TPTB intention to create a nation of single people in the future, bravo, well done you certainly got the job done, it was terrible, and they should really have left phil klemmer on the scrap heap where he belongs!

    • atcdave says:

      That’s funny about your cousins Niall. There really wasn’t even a bit of chemistry there.
      But I’m not so down on Klemmer. He’s actually done some pretty good episodes and even some really nice Chuck and Sarah moments. You know he was just following orders from TPTB right? He had to make his script end the way they said. The ending may have been the low point of the episode, but that’s exactly the part he had the least control over.

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