4.12 The Gobbler! First Reactions Post

It’s Been SOOOO Long!

A full week! We need daily infusions of new Chuck – that’s all there is to it. As I type, 2.5 hours to go.

After all the comments and goings-on and incredibly wide ranging opinions on Balcony, I still want you to know that my opinion does not rule here. I really want to see yours, too. This is the place to be honest about it. It’s the place to change people’s minds. It’s the place to have your mind changed! Free Brain Bleach for all!

And speaking of which, I just saw a tweet from Josh Schwartz:

explicitly asking for your opinion also. Get on twitter after the show and tell him! You can bet he’ll see it.

– joe

Edit: added actual twit -Faith

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198 Responses to 4.12 The Gobbler! First Reactions Post

  1. Katsumaro says:

    Just Oh. My. God. More at 11.

  2. sd says:

    What was it in S3–something a critic coined—Central Relationship Misunderstanding when it came to what Chuck thought he understood but didn’t when it came to Sarah?

    We have it again—in spades.

    And now with Casey in a coma (so he can’t say it was a setup) Sarah decides to decline Chuck’s encrypted message on the advise of MamaB whos advice is “distance”

    Chuck went there—it went dark—not even an Ikea reference could brighten the mood

    Having said all that, I liked tonight’s episode on first viewing more than I liked Balcony but I suspect most of next week’s episode will be just as dark.

    • Katsumaro says:

      I certainly think it will be darker next episode as well, with the first half of this episode sort of providing our ‘lightheartedness’ for the next week+. That and then 4.14 also being like that. Tonight’s episode felt like a 3.12 to 3.13 thing, though.. and that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

      Yeah, Chuck’s misunderstanding Sarah and why she’s doing things, and can’t get the message from Casey about why she’s doing it.. but I’ve gotta think that deep down, Chuck has some faith in her.

      • SWnerd says:

        Ah, relationship misunderstandings…how I’ve missed thee. Wait, no.

      • herder says:

        Maybe he will have to live the “trust me, even when you think I’m wrong” as the line from Anniversary will come into play.

      • sd says:

        It would be interesting if TPTB explored in more detail what it must be like for Sarah to “go down the rabbit hole”. That would likely lead to a several episode arc that was so dark the proverbial pitchforks would come out.

        The question…does Sarah really lose herself in this new “role”..or is she worried that Chuck thinks she has lost herself?

      • I think she’s worried about Chuck but mostly she doesn’t know if Casey made it.

      • herder says:

        I’ll also say that for the first time in a while I laughed out loud in the Buy More bits, Lester loosing his virginity to Grandma Grunka and Jeff saying he liked the name as a means of turning Ellie off the name was funny. Creepy but in a funny way.

      • patty says:

        @herder
        Yeah, best use of Jeff and Lester all season!!

        Except when they were unconscious maybe….

      • Katsumaro says:

        A lot of people seem to dig this episode, while a few seem to dislike it (sort of like last week, where a lot didn’t really like the episode and a few did).

        In my opinion, and obviously just an opinion.. I feel like Chuck and Casey are going to have a moment, much like last season where Casey and Sarah had a moment. You remember where Casey told her that he shot Chuck’s red test, and not Chuck? And how happy she was? I think Casey will tell Chuck that it was his plan to get launched out of the window, and she didn’t want to hurt him. That’ll give Chuck the energy to move forward and go after Volkoff.

        At least that’s what I’d like to see/what I think.

      • JC says:

        The twelfth episode of the season ends with Chuck and Sarah somehow not being able to talk to each other. At least it wasn’t bad cell phone service this time. 😉

        Since they’re doing another misunderstanding bit again, I really hope it leads to something different for once. Not just an awkward talk between them.

      • Paul says:

        I think Casey won’t tell CHuck about Sarah until the end of the eps. From the preview, Chuck does blame himself for all of it and it looks like he wants to take it out on Volkoff. The question for me is whether their fight is in the beginning or end of the eps. That is “Chuck you can’t touch me” and then Chuck goes and destroys his whole network.

      • uplink2 says:

        I liked so much of this episode except for 2 things.

        1 how many times have they used the declined phone call device? I can think of at least 4. Time to find a new way to ramp up the angst.

        2 I really didn’t like the whole my Sarah won’t change thing at all. It telegraphs the delay in the proposal and what their talks are going to be about. There was no need for perky Sarah won’t change Chuck. It made him look really lame.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah uplink, the “my Sarah won’t change” bit was just painfully stupid. She has changed hugely in the time they’ve known each other. You’d have to be an idiot not to get that.
        He has misplaced confidence she would never change; while Sarah is still stupidly saying she will “do whatever it takes”.

        Too much reliance on character stupidity as a plot device. One of my pet peeves.

    • patty says:

      THe preview at least implies that Chuck blames Volkoff… and himself.

      Volkoff’s big secret is a cool data base. HA! He is so going down.

      Sorry, never took russian, can’t spell it.

  3. Tamara Burks says:

    We really need ep 13 NOW!

  4. I’m hoping on Chuck realizing that Sarah can’t have done that without a plan right at the beginning of 413. And that they played the misunderstanding for the ending but it won’t last.

  5. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    Wow – that was the highest level of dramatic intensity the show has pulled off! and I mean that in the most complimentary way.
    All the characters are working under their own motives – independently – to achieve their own goals. I’m expecting [next week ] to see all of them to start to find a way to start pulling things back together. Wow – that was not a typical Chuck episode in any way – but it was very entertaining…
    and what an incredible setup for next week!
    Its too bad that 12 and 13 were not done as a 2 hr special.

    • patty says:

      Yeah, My husband (who I think only watches Chuck ’cause I make him) was like “Is that the season ender?”

    • Paul says:

      I thought it was intense too. I was on the edge the whole time.

    • herder says:

      When I saw that it was written by Craig DeGregorio (Asile of Terror) I was worried, but this was a much better episode. It still has the problem of being a set up episode and I thought it started a bit slowly but it really picked up steam.

      Considering the parallels that they were drawing between Mary and Sarah it was always going to be a darker episode. I think that they managed to do the dark and heavy stuff without overdoing it, a very difficult balancing act.

      I’m not going to say that it was my favorite of the season but it definitely is in the top half of this season which is high praise. Especially as it really left me wanting to see what happens next, which is the role of a set-up episode.

      Interestingly enough not a mention of the proposal in the story, not too suprising as between Chuck and Sarah as they were apart most of the time but nothing from Morgan either. Oh yeah and she made mention of the beginning of Pink Slip, about her not wanting Chuck to be a spy and her doing this so they could build a life together. That was her story to Volkov but most of it is true too, interesting, is there going to be a we’re done with the spy life at the end of Push Mix?

  6. SWnerd says:

    Well overall, I liked the episode. A lot of good action. Some funny parts. And as viewers we at least know what really happened with Sarah and Casey. It sucks that Chuck doesn’t though. Although I find it insulting if he really thinks that Sarah can flip a switch that quickly and turn to the other side. Of course he did try to contact her at the end and for some stupid reason she declined it. Not sure why since it was an encrypted system. Seemed like some pretty contrived angst.

    The part that I really didn’t get though, and please correct me if I missed something, but didn’t they pretty much prove that the only link that holds Volkoff’s whole network together is himself and the hydra database which no one but him knows about. So why again isn’t just eliminating the man the best course of action?

    • Paul says:

      She declined because she needed to put distance between her personal life and what she needed to do. If she didn’t it would tear her apart, and she needs to be strong. Her personal life makes her vulnerable.

      • Paul says:

        As far as Hydra, taking Volkoff out only disrupts the coordination of the other organizations. They still are dangerous on their own and can still act independently….just like a hydra. And by merely killing Volkoff does not gaurantee that the subgroups cannot find a way to get operatiosn back up and runnin. By getting the hydra intel (which apparently Frost was waiting for the opporutnity to grab it) they get access to who these groups are and how to get to them.

      • SWnerd says:

        OK that makes sense on the Volkoff thing although it seemed like Mary hardly knew anything about Hydra and she’s been undercover for 20 years. How is it that she’s only now getting this close to it? It just seems like the worst mission progress ever because that means this evil organization has still been functioning for 20 years. That’s a lot of arms deals, a lot of death, and a lot of danger.

        On the other issue with Sarah putting distance between her personal life, I don’t see how a simple explanation could have hurt anything especially after seeing the look on Chuck’s face.

      • Paul says:

        Well just because she had an inkling what Hydra was, doesn’t mean she could get to it AND get out. Didnt you notice how desperate she looked when Volkoff smashed the fake eye. She looked like a drowning woman who’s last lifeline had just slipped out of her hand.

      • SWnerd says:

        I understand your point and yeah I saw the desperation. I just think that if you haven’t gotten any closer than that after 20 years, you probably never will.

      • Paul says:

        But how many of those 20 years was her getting into a position that allowed her TO learn about Hydra in the first place? And how many years were eaten up by doing the acutal intel gathering? And how many years was Yuri incarcerated, not allowing her to get near it? We can’t assume (and it’s unrealistic to believe) that she had access to everything from day 1. She likely had to work her way up the organization.

      • SWnerd says:

        But that argument also discredits how Sarah got access to it in her first week inside. And Volkoff isn’t even trying to get her into bed. Ok, well he might be, she is Sarah Walker after all. 😉

      • Paul says:

        Do you REALLY think Volkoff thinks Sarah has turned? To me, he’s playing along because it’s fun for him to twist people. He REALLY liked twisting the knife in Chuck tonite.

      • SWnerd says:

        No I’m sure he doesn’t believe she’s turned. He’d be stupid to and Volkoff is not stupid. He probably doesn’t even completely believe that Mary’s turned. He is just magnificently sadistic which is why I happen to really enjoy him as a villain.

    • armysfc says:

      she listened to mama b. sarah asked how do you get over it, mama b said distance. sarah hit decline and said distance

      • Anonymous says:

        So, she basically commits the same mistake Mama B did all those years ago. I thought that this arc would show how different Sarah is from Mama B – not making the same decisions she did all those years ago.

      • Paul says:

        Well, she hasn’t gone down that road all the way yet. I think Chuck pulls her back.

  7. luckygirl says:

    I loved this episode misunderstandings and all. The boys playing board games…so much win.

    • steph says:

      yeah, i adore how casey makes explosion sounds just to cheer up chuck. really, everyone is doing all of this for him.

      • Mike says:

        I think it may have started out being an attempt to cheer Chuck up, but at the end there it looked like Casey was having a lot of fun conquering the world. Great to see him having fun.

  8. Paul says:

    Intense episode. I was on the edge the entire time. It felt kind of imcomplete, but it was meant to be the final lead up to the “original” conclusion, so I understand that.

    Liked a lot of things, wasn’t so fond of some others. Loved Morgan and Alex. The little bearded one has found his soulmate and Alex looks hawt in a t-shirt. I loved how the showed Chuck and Sarah missing each other. The throwback to the Orion cave was nice. And it gives a reason why Frost was “stuck”. Now we know how Chuck is going to take down Volkoff. Was it just me or did Frost seem desperate in this eps, like a drowning person having their last lifeline slip from their hands. It was painful to watch Sarah have to revisit her old self, but Yvonne played it beautifully as always. Wasn’t so hot on Chuck doubting Sarah, although I can see where it was coming from. As for Volkoff, that man is NUTS!!! I don’t buy for a second that he believes that Sarah is a traitor…but is playing along because it’s fun. True psycho….

    • patty says:

      I think he hopes to turn her then use her to recruit Chuck. He indicated that he knew she was pretending when he confronted Chuck. He thinks anyone can be turned. He don’t know Chuck!

      • Paul says:

        I don’t think so. He knows how Chuck feels about Sarah. He simply enjoys twisiting the knife, knowing how he can use her to hurt Chuck.

  9. Rick Holy says:

    I’m sorry, but this is another case – as some alluded to in recent episodes – where Chuck comes off looking dumb – and the plot device is, frankly, getting old.

    He loves Sarah. She loves him. He knows his mother is “good.” He trusts her (he told her so). Are we really supposed to think that by Sarah declining his phone call that he’s wondering if she’s really turned?? Puh-lease.

    Yes, I know Casey is there in a coma – but Chuck KNOWS the real Sarah – even way back to the “I know who you are – a girl I’d like to share a cheeseburger with” from S2, but now even more. To have him having doubts now about the situation to me is ridiculous.

    A more REASONABLE idea at this point in their relationship would have him saying/thinking to himself – SOMETHING WENT WRONG. That’s considerably, substantially different then him possibly thinking that SARAH DID SOMETHING WRONG.

    If he “trusts” Mama B, he certainly ought to be trusting the woman to whom he was recently about to propose. If he trusted her THEN, he sure as hell ought to be trusting her NOW.

    I liked the episode, but just the whole idea of having him doubt her intentions and assuming the worst – which is what they’re leading us to believe is going on in his mind – is just an injection of unnecessary (and way past old) angst.

    “Bartowski’s a smart guy,” Casey so often says. His “smarts” ought to be what was emphasized at the end of the episode – and his determination to figure out WHAT HAPPENED/WHAT WENT WRONG, not his thinking “how could Sarah do this?”

    If he can’t trust her now, when will he EVER trust her? Like “Awesome” said to Ellie and Jeff said to Lester, “A partnership is built on trust.” Well, apparently they’re no where close to being a “partnership” enough to get married if Chuck is believing that Sarrah INTENTIONALLY did what she did to Casey.

    • Katsumaro says:

      Well.. what’s he supposed to do when Casey flies out the window? Just stand there like.. “Yep. I’m sure they planned that. no big deal!” — of course not. He has to flip out. I’m not saying he acted.. of course not. He didn’t know what was going on. I’m just saying that he reacted how any guy would after watching a friend of his get flung out of a window; surprised as all hell.

      And the calling bit at the end.. I don’t think it’s him deciding.. “Welp, another girlfriend gone to the darkside. Boy I know how to choose them.” He’s probably just thinking about how much his life sucks sometimes. His mom’s been gone for twenty years, his dad’s died in the last year, and now his girlfriend tried to kill Casey just so she could stay deep undercover to save his mom. It’s not a great time to be Chuck Bartowski.. but I doubt when they meet again, he’s going to up and decide to leave her or whatever, assuming we get to that.

      I don’t like the super drama/contrived angst that they come up with.. no one really does, but it’s not all bad. I’m sure we’ll get something good out of all this.

      • Paul says:

        Chcuk’s fear is that he’s going to lose Sarah the exact same way he lost his mom. And seeing Sarah start down that road is probably a bit much for him. Not saying it wasn’t a tad annoying, though.

      • Rick Holy says:

        No, the call at the end is him DOUBTING Sarah. And DESPITE what happened, by this point in their relationship, he should be giving her THE BENEFIT of the doubt – and he’s not. That’s the problem that I have with it.

      • sd says:

        I also think it’s his watching Morgan doing what a “normal” boyfriend would do…which is comfort his girlfriend.

        Rick, I guess what we saw at the end and the promo for next week means Chuck’s feelings could go either way when he says “he took everything from me”…is Chuck saying that b/c he thinks Sarah has turned…or Sarah is in danger

    • herder says:

      Fr Rick, that’s why I think the “trust me even when you think I’m wrong” line from First Fight will make a comeback. This is a cliffhanger, the doubt is the cliffhanger, it will be resolved quickly in the next episode.

      Also, like Katsumaro above, after Chuck has decided to have faith in Sarah then Casey will tell him about what really happened, like in American Hero last year.

    • armysfc says:

      i think the text was to tell her casey was ok. hes upset he couldn’t let her know.

    • atcDave says:

      Rick I will agree Chuck looks terrible IF he’s really doubting Sarah. But I don’t think we’ll get the answer to that until next week. He really said nothing, and we can speculate a variety of ways as to what his actions meant.

      Shame on him if he doubts her; but my money is on, he gets the situation and is just worried that things are out of control. Either way he is righteously furious with Volkoff.

      • Paul says:

        I don’t think he’s doubting Sarah as much as he’s just gotten his first real reality check on the compatibility of marraige (and all the vulnerability that it brings) and the spy world.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Paul – look at TPTB and their track record. They will surely go with a doubting Chuck – if not then I will be one happy camper.

  10. Joeeph (can't be Joe) says:

    20 years for Hydra, that she knew little or nothing about.

    I still digesting that one.

    • Paul says:

      I think she knew generally what it was, but just couldn’t get to it.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        For 20 years?

        I know I’m probably the only one but to me it’s pretty thin. Out of nowhere we get the whole reason for the Volkov arc.

        We should have been enlightened to this story point 8 episodes ago for it to be really important.

        I’m sorry, I wish I could get it. There were definately a lot of great scenes in this episode but …

      • Anonymous says:

        That 20 yrs sort of makes Mama B look a little incompetent – that is if they don’t give a plausible explanation in 4×13.

      • Paul says:

        Read my post a couple of threads up. Explains why I would disagree.

    • atcDave says:

      I agree Joseph, the 20 years thing completely doesn’t work for me. But I’ve never really got it. Its just a clumsy plot device. The only way they could have made it work was if Volkoff had her rotting in cell for 20 years; but to be believe she’s been working the case all that time makes her look like a dope.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        It does call her competance and her loyalty into question. There’s also the possibility that she clung to this world because it was all she had left. She’d screwed up too badly to return.

  11. First Timer says:

    The Magnus fellow is already predicting another Chuckpocalype. I don’t think so.

    I think the show jumped the shark with the last moment. It won’t make people angry because it is so ludicrously manipulative and stupid that folks simply will shrug and stop caring about the show.

    Too bad, too, because there were some fine moments in the episode. But going to the Season 3 well one more time, and with a device as silly as they used to end the episode, turned the show into a soap opera. The only thing that was missing was the organ music.

    And no matter WHAT the show runners thing, the last 10 minutes next week can’t be epic because it’s based on an stupid premise. And nothing good comes of stupid.

    • Anonymous says:

      We are Season 3 survivors. So dealing with such manufactured angst is nothing new. Been there seen that. And as you say not care about it too much. 🙂 But I still think they will fix the C/S situation by the middle part of 4×13 and not leave it to the final 10 min.

      *dang! I started two sentences with ‘and’ and ‘but’ respectively*

    • SWnerd says:

      It definitely doesn’t deserve another Chuckpocalypse. I liked the storyline and it was a pretty intense episode.

      I know there was some drama at the end but I don’t have enough information based on the last few moments. It seems like it’s leaning towards Chuck not believing in or trusting Sarah about what’s happening, but we don’t know what he put in that encrypted message. It could be the exact opposite. If however he is actually questioning or doubting her…well then their relationship deserves to crash and burn.

      • Anonymous says:

        If however he is actually questioning or doubting her…well then their relationship deserves to crash and burn.

        Considering how TPTB roll, don’t you think the above mentioned scenario is the most likely one they will go with.? It hurts the characters.

    • JC says:

      The hardcore base won’t quit watching, its that’s group of people that fluctuates the show from 1.8 to 2.0 are the ones that matter.

      And lets be honest did we really think the spy story would be the cliffhanger? Its the same relationship nonsense they’ve used to create tension since the show started.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        And lets be honest did we really think the spy story would be the cliffhanger?

        Is it wrong to hope for spy-ish cliffhanger even when we know it’s not going to be. 😉 🙂

        I hope they resolve the C/S issues by at least the middle part of the episode – like they did the DYLM scene in 3×13 – allows the concentration to be more focused on the spy story and not keep wondering what will happen to C/S

      • Paul says:

        Wondering? They’re going to get engaged….eventually….

      • JC says:

        You know Genie part of me agrees with you and other is hoping they go full blown angst with it.

        Lets have Chuck say “Your not the same girl I fell for, you tried to kill Casey” 😉

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        The impending engagement isn’t in doubt. Question is : Will it happen in 4×13 or be postponed due to manufactured angst and differences between C/S – because IMHO at this point that is the only way they could postpone it.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC

        Ha! It’s a small world after all.

        What about “You are not the same girl that I was going to marry: 😉

      • JC says:

        @Genie

        Even better.

        But seriously I see a real opportunity for organic angst in this story and ending. If they played it out that Chuck was questioning who the real Sarah was the spy or the girl I’d like that. I doubt they’ll go that way but one can hope.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC

        If they played it out that Chuck was questioning who the real Sarah was the spy or the girl I’d like that.

        Ah! But everyone expects Chuck to ‘man up’ and ‘shut up’ and not question anything – because whatever was done needed to be done. 😉

      • JC says:

        @Genie

        The first rule of Chuck is we don’t talk about the double standard.

  12. Katsumaro says:

    I don’t follow many forums, or watch fandoms as the episodes end, but my goodness at some of the quick reactions that come from folks who like this show. Yeah, there’s some annoying bits we wish the writers would realize before hand, and fix.. but it’s not like it’s not fixable. It’s a week to week thing, much like Chuck is a season to season renewal sort of series. Let’s not jump off the deep end and say just how stupid something is until it’s all wrapped up. This was only Part 2 of a three part thing I feel with 4.11-4.13. Let’s just wait and cool off, guys!

    • Anonymous says:

      Sound advice about cooling off. 🙂

      But in the next episode if they go the same way that they did in 3×12 (Sarah not believing Chuck even when he tried to explain until the final five minutes) then I would call it the height of mediocrity – because it’s a slap on the face of so much character development since the dark days of the Misery Arc.

  13. uplink2 says:

    Think I have found something in the promo! Look at the scene with Chuck holding the gun on Volkoff! It looks like its in the cabin where Orion lived!!

    • Anonymous says:

      Most probably it’s Volkoff’s palatial house. Talk about going right into the lion’s den. 🙂

    • uplink2 says:

      IT is Orion’s Cabin!!!

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Uplink – Huge thanks. 🙂
        Orion Cabin. Now that is certainly intriguing.

      • atcDave says:

        yeah that is interesting.

      • Judy says:

        Speculation: Chuck sees the Hydra info that Sarah passed to Casey. He flashes and has a huge amount of intel to take down Volkoff because the psp and the Orion laptop downloads have been triggered. And somehow the Orion cabin is involved (and perhaps the mobile home. . . Orion had a lot of property. . . )

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        It would be nice if Chuck flashed on intel wouldn’t it. But alas all the Intersect 2.0 can do is give him Chuck Fu.

        *Sigh*

      • uplink2 says:

        Ok been thinking about it and I think I may have it. The piece from the eyeball that was put in Casey’s pocket, Chuck will need to somehow realize, possibly Mary communicates to him that Orion’s cabin is the place that he can decypher it without Volkof getting suspicious. From there he goes after Volkof’s network but Volkof finds him there and we have the final showdown there.

      • uplink2 says:

        Sorry Judy you are way ahead of me. Should have refreshed before I posted lol. But great minds etc.

  14. Ernie Davis says:

    Volkoff is playing everyone and knows Mary and Sarah are still CIA. Chuck figures it out. Hilarity ensues. Or not.

    Oh yeah. Stillers.

  15. Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

    OK, I’m not having a meltdown but I am gonna need some help.

    This is the 1st episode of Chuck ever that I didn’t feel for Chuck or Sarah’s plight. Why? What did I miss?

    • OldDarth says:

      Pace Joseph.

      Too much story in too short a time period. Constantly being told things instead of seeing the characters experiencing them.

    • joe says:

      I’m not sure you missed anything, Joseph. I don’t think this was an episode about Chuck&Sarah (no spaces intended). The way I saw it, it was much more a story about saving mamaB, the spy story, and setting up how that impossible rescue can come about.

      After last week C&S were torn apart physically, but not emotionally. We saw a lot of the pain of that separation, but I’m not sure at all we saw anything except some confusion in their eyes.

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        I hear what your saying Joe and had actually thought about it wasn’t supposed to be about Chuck&Sarah. But I didn’t “feel it” about saving Mama B either.

        I guess to me (and listen I just watch TV) it feels a lot like 4.11 did, lots of icing but no cake.

        I’m hoping it grows on me.

      • atcDave says:

        Well to me, it just wasn’t much fun. I really do watch for Chuck and Sarah together, which they mostly weren’t, and they certainly ended apart. I don’t want to make too big a thing of that, I mean I loved Phase 3. But then that was largely about Chuck and Sarah even if they weren’t together.

        But this really felt more like S3 than any other episode of this season. It was darker in tone, the ending was oppressive, and well, you know.
        But unlike last season they haven’t actually screwed anything up yet. A lot depends on a good resolution. This episode could easily go up or down several points on my imaginary scale depending on what comes next.

    • JC says:

      There should of been at least one or two episodes before of Sarah working undercover to sell everything. Instead of the pointless Intersect less arc they should have expanded this one.

      • atcDave says:

        I’m glad they didn’t. I don’t like C/S separated, it just isn’t what I watch for.

      • JC says:

        I know Dave but I think it was needed to sell the separation between Chuck and Sarah. This was my worry from earlier in the season that the last two episodes were going to be full of plot dumping to get to the ending.

  16. jason says:

    Biggest surprise was how heroic and true to chuck sarah was written, even in her reason why she is defecting, chuck on the other hand, geez, he isn’t getting a very heroic story at all.

    Remember, I called the show out for manufacturing angst in 4×6’s end, and in 4×8’s rye insertion, this killing casey, failure to take the phone call, probably will be followed by delaying the engagement cause chuck’s not sure, just another one, no big deal, as I often have posted, at some point, the villagers stop running when the little boy cries wolf too often.

    I laughed at jeffster this time, hasn’t happened in a long time.

    Was OK, I am not excited at all for 4×13, just hope it doesn’t screw things up too much.

    • atcDave says:

      Jason I do agree this misunderstanding could easily be the device they use for putting off the engagement. If that happens it will be the most unhappy I’ve been with the show since the misery arc. I think its a cheap and tired device, IF it’s used that way.

      I am still excited for 4.13. But they really have a lot to make up for at this point.

      • JC says:

        @Dave

        I think there is legit reasons they could put off the engagement now. It all depends on how they handle it. They did do an arc where Chuck had to prove himself because of the things he did as a spy. So maybe we get a reversal of sorts. Not saying it will happen but it wouldn’t surprise me.

  17. atcDave says:

    Well, I have to start by being clear, I don’t like dark. Really never. I suppose if its to show a baddie is really a baddie its not so bad. Or even if it’s a trial a protagonist must overcome it’s okay. But I would be happy to find a show that never ends dark. Ever.
    I also could do with never seeing cheap relationship angst based on misunderstandings again. Ever. It doesn’t amuse or entertain on any level.
    So by those measures I would call this episode a complete failure as entertainment. It is the first episode of the season I may never watch again. And easily my least favorite episode since the misery arc.

    But all that said, I still don’t see it as that big of a deal. There were some good moments in the body of the episode. The “B” plot was the best we’ve seen in quite some time, very funny seeing Ellie “play” Devon like that.
    I liked the mission to free The Gobbler. Very fun, all of our heroes were competent and the mission was fun.
    I was very pleased, after all of our soul searching this week, that the character of Sarah was mostly unscathed. She never even considered killing Casey, immediately set to work figuring how to fake it, refused to even shoot him when Casey suggested it; and I loved her “if you die I’ll kill you” moment.
    I also expect my biggest beefs with this episode to be fixed. I am concerned about how big a thing Chuck will make of it. As I said elsewhere, shame on him if he looses faith in Sarah. I have little patience with that sort of crap.
    I have no problem with him being upset. Sarah, Casey, and mamaB are all in a desperate position right now; and it’s all because of Alexei Volkoff. Chuck has every reason to be ticked off. But I will be a harsh judge of the story telling next; or at least how they intend to bring about a best 10 minutes ever. My final judgement on this episode, like Balcony before it, will depend on how they wrap this up.
    I’m not in a great mood right now, it simply was not an edifying episode. We will see were this goes next week.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      I am concerned about how big a thing Chuck will make of it. As I said elsewhere, shame on him if he looses faith in Sarah. I have little patience with that sort of crap.

      At this point I for one will not put the blame on the characters – it will purely be the writer’s fault (in my eyes) if they go that route of making either of them loosing faith in each other.

      But I also ask this – given what Chuck saw in this episode, would it be so wrong for him to question Sarah – not why she pushed Casey – but is she willing to go to the same lengths his mom went to sell her cover and by doing so isn’t she afraid of losing a part of her that makes her different spy.

      • atcDave says:

        He’s known Sarah for four years. I’m fine with him being concerned for her well being and even state of mind, but I won’t be amused if he assumes the worst.

        And of course you’re right about blaming the writers. This episode was certainly darker than I expected or wanted them to go this season. I will consider it a sign of bad faith (as in, they really didn’t learn the lessons that mattered last season) if the resolution goes badly.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Dave

        but I won’t be amused if he assumes the worst.

        We have seen Season 3. WE have to assume the worst and expect that Chuck will also assume the worst – but if it doesn’t happen that way – yipee!

      • atcDave says:

        Except they’ve shown such huge improvement all season, and we really haven’t seen them play that game for a while. Like I said, he’s certainly allowed to be concerned; but there’s a fine to cross when it become doubt, and that I don’t want to see.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Dave

        I am also hopeful that with all the growth that has come this season we will not see serious doubts. But if do see them, then I am not going to question Chuck’s love for Sarah but consider it as manufactured angst to delay the proposal. Somehow that sounds a better idea than getting mad at or disappointed in the characters.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Genie you’re probably right about that.

        I WANT to see Chuck who gets that Sarah is undercover and there’s lot’s of good reasons why she couldn’t take his call. I want to see him know they are all playing a dangerous game; and he shouldn’t blame Sarah for what happened to Casey (Volkoff is the guilty party). And I want to see him exert his energies on taking down Volkoff so he can be reunited with his loved ones.
        I’ll have to sleep on it before I decide what I think we’re likely to get.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Dave

        Not to worry. Chuck will do all those things that you have mentioned that you want to see him doing.And from the looks of the promo he is indeed blaming Volkoff for everything’s that happened in 4×12.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah, I think I’ll be optimistic about Push Mix. But right now its late, I’m still grumpy, and I have a long day ahead tomorrow; so I’m not completely optimistic yet!

    • armysfc says:

      dave, i loved this episode. it was probably one of the best for me. one question though. during the scene at the house when casey gets his text and leaves. when chuck complains to morgan that he needs to help casey but didn’t know the address. morgan said the address and chuck asks how he knew that. i thought i heard morgan say i gave a quick look at your secure phone and wanted to protect you. is that what he said? because if it was then isn’t morgan the cause of the issues? chuck should have been there and gotten the info. thanks if you know the answer.

      • atcDave says:

        I’m glad you liked it army. I never require anyone else to be unhappy when I am!

        I don’t remember Morgan’s exact line but it was a reference to Casey’s text message. Something about how he snooped on it when he was coming back to the table. Then he went on about his fast and sneaky ways of reading other people’s texts.

      • armysfc says:

        thanks i wasn’t sure if it was chuck’s or casey’s. btw i did try to warn you i thought they were going dark from watching the promos. lol. andd thanks for the answer.

      • atcDave says:

        I never doubted they were going dark. I expected this to be an unpleasant episode I had to get past to get to the good stuff next week.
        Like I said, I’m pleased with some of the things they didn’t do that could have been worse (Sarah clearly not wanting to kill Casey). But then they did the cheap angst via rejected phone call scene, blech.

      • armysfc says:

        dave i don’t think the call was to set up angst. i think it leads to sarah realizing that she is no longer willing to do what it takes. she thinks she killed her partner and friend. did it in front of her man. i think this plays into next week as a catalyst to spur her and mama b to escape. like everyone says she changed. but for the first time she realizes she can no longer be who she was. i also think that at that moment she believes her mission failed and she is now stuck in the same position as mama b. trapped with no way out.

      • herder says:

        I think army has got it, by listening to Mama B Sarah has set herself on the path to following Mama B. I think the phone call will be what spurs her to act as the new Sarah would and find a new solution to the problem to break the 20 year stalemate.

      • Paul says:

        @armySFC – I agree with your take on Sarah. “Distance”. She’s not the same spy she was 4 years ago. She’s having an emotional reaction to thinking she killed her friend and partner. She doesn’t know how much longer she will need to be undercover. If she is going to survive, she has to compartmenatalize. And the first step to doing that is to push Chuck away for now.

  18. joe says:

    You all have really hit the tenor of everything I was feeling as I watched.

    I’m such a ‘shipper. I get carried away with proposal scenes. This one had nothing like that.

    And for me, it was alright. This won’t be my favorite episode of the year, but man, I wanted another hour. I want to see next weeks conclusion right away. I’m certain that was the intent for the next to concluding episode of the original 13. If so, I’d say the mission was accomplished.

    Oh, one thing I really liked was Mekenna! I really liked Alex and Morgan! I’m such a ‘shipper! 😉

    Added: I can’t believe how fast comments are coming in!

  19. ChuckNewbie8 says:

    The best part about this episode is that it set the scene/eventuality for Chuck to be the big sweeping hero.

  20. Katsumaro says:

    Man.. I’m amazed how the backlash continues. Last week, we had a bulk of fans not into 4.11, while the other side really loved it, and it seems to be the same way here. I really think it’s because the writers feel that they HAVE to have some sort of cliffhanger/super drama tension moment to end an episode. For myself, I don’t mind it. I’m not worried about the Chuck/Sarah relationship, or if it’d survive this, and I think Sarah will complete her mission. Then again, other people seem to be freaking out completely! It’s just nuts.

    People need to take a step back, take a deep breath and just trust the writers. Yeah, they’ve made awful mistakes in the past.. but let’s let them try and fix their own issues.

    • JC says:

      I really don’t see anyone freaking out. Its more of here we go again with the cliche misunderstanding between Chuck and Sarah.

      • uplink2 says:

        I agree. That is my big issue. They made Chuck in particular look really naive about what was supposed to happen when Sarah went undercover. That and that tired old phne call decline plot device I didn’t like at all especially then.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Well, to be fair it never even entered Sarah’s mind that she would be ordered to kill a friend to prove her loyalty. Volkoff also mentioned that Mama B too had to take that step – wonder who she killed to establish her cover.

        Fully agree on the phone call decline angst. Manufactured angst.

      • JC says:

        She killed Daniel Shaw Sr of course.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC

        cliche misunderstanding between Chuck and Sarah.

        One of the cliches they came up from their “Well Of Cliches” – it must be full to the brim 🙂

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC

        Ha! Small world and all that. 🙂 But I think she killed Daniel Shaw Sr’s wife and when he came looking for revenge Volkoff shot him in Moscow. Epic Love.

      • Katsumaro says:

        I suppose I do agree here> yeah, the drama is okay, but I do think the manufactured angst is sort of ugh. Like.. ‘again? really?’ They could have easily had Sarah pick up the message just to make sure that Casey was okay, but of course MamaB’s words had to ring in her ears about ‘distance’. Honestly, MamaB’s done way more harm than good during the season, even if she is badass.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        I was hoping to see a situation where Sarah doesn’t make the same mistakes Mary made – that even though she is undercover, she is a lot different from Mama B. ( I am not including Kill Casey mission in this – she did her best in a dicey situation but you got to give major credit to Casey)

      • Mike says:

        “Ha! Small world and all that. But I think she killed Daniel Shaw Sr’s wife and when he came looking for revenge Volkoff shot him in Moscow. Epic Love.”

        Absolutely brilliant.

      • atcDave says:

        Genie that’s exactly the thing I wasn’t pleased with; that Sarah is essentially just repeating Mary’s mistakes so far. She even turned to Mary for coping advise (if ever therenwas a time when she should have taken Chuck’s call…); when I’d call Mary the least qualified person on anything related to this mission.

        Now I do expect that will be fixed next week. But it was disappointing nonetheless.

      • jason says:

        dave – in some ways, I thought sarah repeating mary’s mistakes sort of tried to explain how mary spent the last 20 years ‘deep’, I think the casey toss and the reject phone call are going to be the only explanation we get, and it is quite likely, mary and sarah are going to fight to freedom as early as in the credits next ep, so I don’t mind it

      • atcDave says:

        Jason I’ll be good if she snaps out of it quickly, that’s exactly what I want to see.

    • OldDarth says:

      Unfortunately Katsumaro our fears about the season arc not holding together are being realized in this episode as the first cracks appear.

      We still have no valid reason as to why MamaB is with Volkoff for 20 years so beyond her being Chucks’s mother why am I supposed to be emotionally invested in this storyline?

      Not to mention all the other dangling threads, ie the PSP and the laptop seem destined for the show’s trademarked Mauser Sweeping Under the Rug exercise.

      My biggest problem with last night’s episode – the main storyline did not interest me emotionally. The B and C storylines were more engaging.

      Not a good storytelling sign.

      • Big Kev says:

        Yeah, OD – the unconvincing set up of MamaB has been one of the biggest problems of the season. I’ve found myself wondering why she hasn’t just put a bullet into him at any time in the last 20 years and walked away. It’s a tribute to how good Linda Hamilton has been that I’m invested in her character even while doubting her story.
        I appreciated the attempt to plug the gap with Hydra, but I’m still not convinced. If Mary is still only guessing at Yuri’s links to Hydra, and how it all fits together after 20 years – then she’s not that good a spy!

      • Katsumaro says:

        I do agree. This is the first time in a while we’ve seen Smart!Ellie and not what she’s generally reduced to. The Buy More crew was actually good for once as well, and then the Alex/Morgan/Casey plot rolled along.

        Sadly.. I agree with the MamaB. If we understood why she had to be undercover for so long, then maybe it’d answer some questions. Maybe she didn’t think that Volkoff really had control over the Hydra thing? Then again, even when they found out that he did.. they still didn’t shoot him. Not smart storytelling here, honestly. I feel worse for Chuck and Sarah, than I do for MamaB, even if she’s lost the chance to see both of her kids grow up. I mean granted, Sarah could rescue her and she could see her granddaughter, but is that really enough? For the show and the characters, it probably will be. For me? I’m just meh on the character as a whole. I’ve loved Volkoff more and more than I have her.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree OD. I think the baby name story was by far the most clever and best told last night. Now I did find the prison break story fun. But the whole Hydra/Yuri/20 years thing still doesn’t work for me.

        Or as my wife said 3 times last night, “why does this make sense again?”

    • atcDave says:

      I really don’t think we’re seeing any sort of melt down here Katsumaro. At least not at this site.

      We all reserve the right to not like any episode we don’t like! Last season we saw 12 straight episodes of cheap angst and constant misunderstandings (and an armful of other malfunctions I don’t want to get into now). That led to the so-called Chuckpocalypse which was a large majority of posting fans were very unhappy for a long time. I think this will be far shorter and less severe. We mostly expect the emotional damage to be fixed next week. And while the plot holes and story telling flops may be annoying, we tend to get over them more quickly once a better story comes along.

  21. JC says:

    Once again I’m completely conflicted about this episode. Lots of great moments but as whole it just didn’t work again.

    I think whats going one is the arc in general isn’t working for me. It feels like a watered down version of the Orion arc with a few doses of darkness thrown in to up the drama.

    And the only thing that really saved the episode for me was Dalton. He’s been fantastic and has embraced the role of Volkoff. Just a heads up to the writers, this how you create villain the fans love to hate.

    About the ending, I’m torn about it too. I don’t question Sarah’s motives but I do wonder why she took advice from Mary. Seriously that’s probably not the best choice if you want a life with Chuck. It felt like deliberate step back so she can have some epiphany in 4.13 and prove she’s not like Chuck’s mother. But I do wonder if her line about why Chuck keeps trusting Mary when all she does is hurt him might come back to haunt her.

    With Chuck I don’t think he doubts Sarah’s loyalty but I do think it raised some concerns about if he really knows her. And if used right I could see it as a legit reason to have him hesitate about popping the question.

  22. Tamara Burks says:

    Given Sarah’s behavior in the season 3 arc even after they were together , Chuck’s allowed some doubt .

    He’s only human and we doubt sometimes.

    It could be this is supposed to parallel where Sarah acted like such an idiot towards Chuck and with Shaw because she thought Chuck was going dark and blamed herself and lashed out at him.

    I doubt Chuck will get anywhere near as bad as Sarah did though and Sarah has done much darker things than Chuck did. I just hope there is some communication going to happen.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      I just hope there is some communication going to happen.

      My only hope is that they don’t use this latest misunderstanding/doubts issue to push back the proposal – which by the way I am still confident is going to happen in 4×13. 🙂 But I also kind of agree with JC, that if done right it could still turn out good.

  23. Big Kev says:

    Hmmm…..
    Well it’s no secret that I’ve pretty much hated Chuck’s character arc this season from Suitcase onwards. No growth. No new insights. No sense of dealing with his issues or neuroses – in fact they’re getting worse. One half of C/S has bored me for much of the season, which is why I’m not as fussed about the proposal as most of you.
    And with that framework in mind, I loved this episode – aside from Chuck himself.
    Yes it got a little dark. It’s a spy show for heaven’s sake. There needs to be a little dark, otherwise there’s not really much point to the whole exercise. A spy show without some dark is like alcohol-free lager – you can drink it, but why would you bother? The trick, as has been mentioned before, is balance.
    And they balanced the dark with one of the straight out funniest episodes of the season. Great use of Jeff and Lester. TimD calling for Phyllis the cleaner (and once again owning every scene he was in) and a villain that looked like an angry, Russian Tony Robbins. Comedy win all round.
    Morgan and Alex and the TShirt was fabulous. Ellie’s trick with the baby name was beautiful – and one of Lester’s best lines of the whole series was a bonus.
    MamaB was a little overshadowed, and as Faith points out in another post, it’s tough to see how she gets sprung from here. Oh, and Sarah. It goes without saying that Sarah brought the double agent in spades.
    But then there’s Chuck. I loved the fight with Yuri, and I thought we may have a competent Chuck back. But then he wanders into Volkoff’s trap with barely a thought that it might actually be a trap – and S4 clueless Chuck returns.
    Yes, it’s written to generate angst, but it’s not really angst if you can predict exactly how Chuck is going to react. He’s seen how deep his mother has to go, he’s pulled out Casey’s tooth, he’s been “shot” by his mother. He knows exactly what “any means necessary” involves – but is incapable of separating his emotions and his issues and seeing the bigger picture – in other words, being a spy. Sarah can keep her distance and her head when she has to, because she’s a spy. Chuck cannot – because as First Timer says, he’s only playing at being a spy. And let’s not even mention the fact that he tries to ring Sarah when she’s deep cover…..
    Loved the episode angst and all. It was a little predictable, but to be honest much of this season has been. Looking forward to the denouement next week – and hopefully to the return of Hero Chuck!

    • Merve says:

      I too have been frustrated with Chuck’s character this season. He just whines all the time, and he’s way too incompetent to be a spy.

      That being said, I’m a little more forgiving of Chuck’s stupidity in this episode because he was competent and assertive for most of it, and I’ll accept Chuck going alone to check on Casey for two reasons:
      1) Chuck did inform Beckman.
      2) If Chuck hadn’t gone, then Casey would have died. (Presumably, there wouldn’t have been anyone there to save Casey’s life after the fall.)

      Now, Casey being stupid enough to walk into the trap without backup or informing Beckman, that’s a different story…

  24. Rick Holy says:

    On second watch, the best part of the episode for me was the “Alex pizza & orange juice” scene – dripping the O.J. and the tomato sause precariously close to Morgan’s previously unworn Back to the Future tee shirt. Whatever may or may have not been lacking in the episode, THAT was BRILLIANT! – especially Morgan’s “conversion experience” as the whole thing played out.

    Sometimes we can lose out on those little golden moments when we’re overly engaged in looking at the “big picture” of the episode. Bring on more Alex! She brings a light heartedness and innocence to the show that it NEEDS!

    • Paul says:

      I love how Morgan is so wise when it comes to Chuck and Sarah’s relationship, but so clueless when it comes to his own…. 🙂

  25. herder says:

    I had said that this would be like Subway, I think that is where we have ended this episode, that part of Subway where Shaw slams the door to the armoured car on our heroes. This is the nadir of the arc, Casey is unconcious, Sarah is listening to Mama B to put “distance” between herself and her acts (bad advice), Chuck is impotent with too many disasters.

    Next episode is where things get fixed, Chuck shows his faith in Sarah, Sarah stops listening to Mama B and finds her own way out and Casey comes to and gives Chuck the key to Volkov. Volkov becomes extra evil along the way, threatens the ones that Chuck loves: Sarah, Casey, Mom, others. This is Ernie’s hero journey about as clear as it has been. Defeat the bad guy, rescue friends and family, get the girl and return the hero. Balcony was the stakes, Gobbler the set up and Push Mix the pay off.

    To those who complain about the darkness or the hesitation of the characters although I understand your upset, that sort of is the purpose of the set up. It isn’t supposed to be uplifting, it is to show how far things can go wrong before they are made right. Personally I get the sense that this is Beefcake to next weeks Leathal Weapon, without PLI’s.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      Actually the encrypted device they were using to communicate with seems to have supplied by the CIA so it was probably supposed to keep them in touch (helping with the emotional stability of thier one and only Intersect ) and make it where Sarah could call for help if she nneded it and was never completely cut off.

    • atcDave says:

      Herder I do agree about the likely Subway parallel. I suspect I would have liked this episode FAR more if it had immediately been followed by Push Mix (like they did with the finale last season).

      As I said above, I’m okay with the occasional dark element; but I could happily do without another dark ending ever again.

  26. herder says:

    The very early numbers are in, Chuck got a 3.9/6 which is up slightly from last week’s 3.8/6. These figures are very difficult to translate into ratings for instance, the last episode in November got 4.2/6 which became a 2.0 demo while last week got 3.8/6, almost 10% less yet ended out with a 2.1 demo. My guess is just over 6 million viewers and a 2.1 demo.

    • Rick Holy says:

      Hopefully it keeps us in the 2.0/2.1 range. Even though we were up against repeats on CBS (at least I think we were) which SHOULD have given us a lift, I’ll take a 2.0/2.1 under whatever the circumstances.

    • atcDave says:

      That still means we’re getting better numbers than in the fall. Hopefully the trend continues.

  27. What is really ridiculous about the ending is that they went at length to manufactured it: they gave a mean for C&S to communicate. Why?

    The end would have been as intense if we had Chuck or Sarah saying something like “I just wish I could talk to her/him.” And it would I emphasized the fact they they miss each other.

    All that just to have a contrived cliché ending that diminishes both characters…

    • Rick Holy says:

      Amen.

    • atcDave says:

      Agree entirely Crumby. It’s also likely I would have been less hostile towards the whole episode with a less cheesy ending.

      • I enjoyed the episode A LOT, thought it was great, but this end was just bad, unnecessary and disappointing.

      • atcDave says:

        Okay, that I don’t agree with so much! (being less hostile is about as far as I’ll go for now!)

      • armySFC says:

        i thought this was one of the best so far. but unlike you the ending didn’t bother me at all. i guess this ending is like the ending last week. that one bothered some people as well. it would have flowed better if they were all run back to back. it took what less than 5 minutes this week to find out there was a plan and sarah had contact with her team. last week that was a big topic same as this ending. i’m using that as a basis for a quick ending to the decline.

      • What I didn’t like about the ending isn’t Chuck wondering what the hell Sarah was doing, or Sarah having a hard time. It’s the “distance” thing.

        I think it just makes Sarah make a step back for no reason. If they hadn’t had any mean to communicate the result would have been the same, without the step back.

        And I do think they will handle the issue pretty quickly in 413. It just diminishes the episode for me. Without it, the set up would have been brilliant. A real misunderstanding that the characters couldn’t do anything about at the time. Instead you have a misunderstanding because Sarah didn’t pick up the phone…

  28. Amrit says:

    I do not think that chuck will blame sarah in the next episode, I do think that he will blame himself and that is what will make him stand up and fight for everything and everyone he loves. He will concentrate all his anger on volkoff and will be the hero in the end because he will be the one that takes down volkoff. He will hack the main server at volkoff industries and he will be the one who is in the final battle with volkoff and I think he may kill volkoff (not sure, but maybe) I think this will happen all in the first 35 minutes and then it will be him and sarah reuninted and moving forward together. I think in a way by chuck being the one to hack volkoff (geek/nerd chuck) and the one to physically take down volkoff (spy chuck) he will accomplish something chuck’s dad could never do and that will make it all the special for him and sarah, since he did what no one has done and he does it in his own chuck way, and that reminds sarah of why she loves him and they will get engaged I think or ride off into the sunset, who knows…..but I am hopeful.

  29. Ernie Davis says:

    So I gotta ask, given Chuck’s well known penchant for brunetts did anyone else get the impression Sarah as a brunette kind of broke Chuck’s brain at first? I thought that whole scene was hillarious.

    • I thought it was hilarious as well.

      I don’t know it was because of his penchant for brunettes though. I thought it was more because what was keeping him going was his faith that Sarah would always be Sarah, and then… BAM! Brunette Sarah broke his brain! It was like a whole different Sarah. I thought that’s what they were getting at anyway.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        I for one thought that his brain just about melted at the hotness emanating from Sarah -just look at him checking her out in a dazed fashion. He completely zoned out for some time there. I loved the next scene as well – Sarah gives him a chaste kiss and goes, Chuck is all but blushing in front of Casey and Morgan and then he rushes out to catch up with her. Also loved the fact that Sarah is equally responsive to his call – that kiss was just hot. Score ten for awesome PDA! 🙂

      • Faith says:

        I don’t remember Chuck checking out the hair in Castle but the chest region…Oh Chuck, so…male lol.

      • SWnerd says:

        He seemed almost freaked out about the hair. Now the outfit was another story.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I thought the cheating on you with you line was a poke at him always dumping her for a brunette, so I guess I read it as a much lighter scene, but you make a good point, it was probably a joke about that too and also worked on the “Sarah has changed” theme.

      • Yeah I thought it was pretty well done, light and funny, but the first hint to the “Sarah has changed” theme.

        Then the 2nd was Sarah telling that it might get a little time for her to come back at the prison.

        And the 3rd: the Casey out of the window incident.

    • atcDave says:

      I loved that scene. Very funny, very cool. And I’d have say; Yvonne looked far better throughout the episode than I thought she would from the preview.

      I still want blond Sarah back. Maybe that’s the real reason this episode rubbed me wrong!

  30. silvercat42 says:

    I really liked this episode for what it was: a setup for a major climax. That being said, it really should have been run back to back with Push Mix, the way the last two episodes of Season 3 were.

    One thing that bothered me… since Sarah was arrested last week to set up her going rogue, but it was not brought up at all this episode. Sarah tells Volkoff she’d doing it to be with the man she loves, and Volkoff seems to accept her reason.

    Perhaps Volkoff knows about the arrest and maybe even that it’s a setup (which is very likely since he has eyes and ears everywhere), and will use it against her next episode,

    As for the so-called “angst” at the end of the episode, Chuck has just witnessed the woman he loves try and kill a good friend of theirs. I don’t care how much you trust or love someone, that would pretty much devastate anyone. I just don’t agree that this was the show-runners’ way of just manufacturing more angst. It actually is a good setup for how Chuck acts in the next episode.

    As others have speculated, I think Sarah’s not taking the call will motivate Chuck to go after Volkoff himself.

    So sue me, but I still think this season is genius.

    • The whole misunderstanding is manufactured because they gave Chuck and Sarah a mean to communicate only to have Sarah not use it in the end.

      • silvercat says:

        Sorry, just don’t agree that it was just “manufactured,” I think it’s an effective plot device.

        Even though I didn’t particularly like Sarah’s declining Chuck’s message on first viewing, after seeing the promo, it’s obvious that her not communicating has motivated Chuck to be heroic and take down Volkoff. Also, it’s a bit more than a “misunderstanding.” As I previously said, Chuck just saw the woman he loved try to kill their friend and co-worker. He’s clearly devastated. Besides, we don’t know what his message said, but it was likely “How could you do that?” That would have probably really upset and distracted Sarah from her mission.

      • Chuck just saw the woman he loved try to kill their friend and co-worker.

        Chuck thinks he saw Sarah try to kill Casey. What really happened was Sarah pushing Casey out the window to sell her cover, but she had no intention to kill Casey. Hence the misunderstanding.

        They didn’t need to have Sarah refusing the message to keep the devastation going for both. Just not being able to talk to each other would work very well.

        Chuck desperate to bring Sarah back goes after Volkoff. It works fine without that “distance” plot device.

  31. silvercat42 says:

    Oh, I also wanted to say that I was so happy to see Alex had spent the night, and her wearing the never-before-worn “Back to the Future” t-shirt (and Morgan’s reaction) was absolutely hilarious.

  32. Merve says:

    *gasp* It’s an S4 episode that doesn’t have me gnashing my teeth in frustration! That hasn’t happened, since, well, “Aisle of Terror.” It’s a nice return to form after last week’s episode, which was my least favourite ever, by a landslide.

    Random stuff I liked:
    – Snarky Ellie! Loved her baby name fake-out. (Grünke!) Also, everything that comes out of Big Mike’s mouth will always be funny. It’s a law of the universe.
    – Chuck not whining! Yay!
    – Chuck thwacking a dude twice his size with weights.
    – A badass version of Sarah that isn’t an emotional basket case. (*shakes fist at “Phase Three”)
    – Actual tension, danger, and excitement.
    – Unlike a lot of people, I’ve hated Timothy Dalton’s performance up until now. WAAAAAAAY too cartoonish and over-the-top. This performance was much, much, much better.
    – The birthday scene that just kept getting sillier and sillier.
    – Volkoff shooting Yuri and then scooping his eyeball out with bare hands. Gross, but awesome.

    I’m looking forward to next week. (And I haven’t said that since “First Fight,” so that’s saying something.)

  33. Faith says:

    For those so inclined, Sarge87 posted the promo breakdown here. Be warned screenshots aka promo breakdowns are very spoilery.

    • sd says:

      Thanks, Faith!

      I scrolled through and saw a comment from a fan who had a funny line about what Chuck was trying to tell Sarah during the encrypted message she “dismissed.”

      So—any one want to play? From the tongue and cheek to the serious…what do you think Chuck was trying to tell her?

      I’ll go first

      1-Honey, can you pick up some milk on your way home?

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Honey, you won the bet. Casey survived. Dammit!! 🙂

      • Faith says:

        – Don’t forget to come home with that black leather thing, daddy likes! 😉

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Faith – Don’t turn Chuck into a Morgan 🙂 “daddy likes is Morgan’s pet statement*

        Sarah a lot happened today, but the only thing I am unhappy about is that we didn’t have supply closet sex when you showed up at Castle. 🙂

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Sarah, I miss regular cell phones. No sexting through the encrypted ones we are using now. 😦

      • Faith says:

        I’m sorry did you say pick up your dry cleaning? Or we’ll meet up and do some kissing? Encrypted phones are a pain.

        Alladins, with that outfit, Chuck definitely likes lol.

      • joe says:

        Working late *again* tonight??? That dang boss of yours is a SLAVE DRIVER!

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Sarah, did Casey piss you off by making some inappropriate comment on our sex life.

      • Faith says:

        So what are you wearing? Something sheer I hope?

        😀

  34. sd says:

    When you land, you gotta go back to that great place we went to on our anniversary—remember? The borscht was awesome.

  35. andyt says:

    I feel in a very small minority who loved both “Balcony” last week and “Gobbler” this week. Both episodes showcase what is best about Chuck. Last week had a hilarious Jeffster story, with great C/S romance moments, good Casey one-liners and insightful wisdom for Chuck, along with a great cliffhanger. This week upped the action with a great fight sequence, some of the best work ever on the show by Timothy Dalton who is just a joy as Volkoff, and the type of ending that Chuck does best: soulful with Alex, Morgan and Casey and dramatic with Chuck and Sarah as the clear agony that Chuck is in as he must feel that his life is following the same doomed path as his parents. I have not been happier with the show and characters. This is why I faithfully watch the show every week for more fun and joy like this. CAN NOT WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK.

  36. bdaddydl says:

    I have been watching the blog when I can these past 2 weeks and there are some really interesting things I would like to share. First I find it interesting how there seem to almost be two sides of opinion in the last few weeks. After the balcony there was a rousing explosion of Dawww from a lot of people in the fandom. Although, there were a few fans who did not like the episode. The fans that loved it said many things about how great the episode was. At first I DESPISED the episode. I caught the last five minutes first. It was an accident, and I rewatched the episode again, and WOW it was very good. In the top of the season. I thought Joe’s inspired comment about how it was not about the engagement was spot on.
    So than Monday happened, and then it was like someone yelled in the gym “all right everyone switch” Last night’s episode flew by faster than any episode in a while. Before I knew it there was 5 minutes left. Than the unthinkable happened, Sarah turned off the phone, and Chuck got whiney. Well these crazy kids need to stop this. They have been doing this since the show started. Maybe, and I am so hoping, that they will grow from this. Guys and Gals this is not season 3. TPTB know there is one line you do not cross. They have promised they won’t. I heard a lot of fans say that the first episodes of 4 and the 3.5 made up for season 3.1. Maybe we should have a burial for it. TPTB appear to know where to go. This season has been a lot of fun. The couple in the honeymooners, the other guy, the anniversary, and phase 3 will not split up over this.
    There may be a delay as they get their emotions in check, but there is still a bunch of season left, and if the inevitable is delayed while Chuck and Sarah figure out what’s going on, well they have some shiny things to distract us like Roan, so rewatch last night’s episode. It was a lot of fun.

    • bdaddydl says:

      i typed the previous paragraph for spelling and punctuation errors. I missed the grammatical ones, sorry.

    • atcDave says:

      Well bdaddy, I’ve been saying all season that S4 is not S3. But they just gave us a very bleak set-up that feels a lot like what we got last season. So this is where they get to prove themselves. I expect the ending to be very good. But they didn’t give themselves much wiggle room. How they “fix it” will determine to me if they really learned any lessons.
      Just because I expect good things doesn’t mean I’m certain of it, and therein lies the tension. I’ll decide next week if I think it was worth it or not.

    • armysfc says:

      BDaaddyDL, nice post. i agree with most of what you say. here’s the funny thing. last week i protested the fact that sarah went behind chucks back and went to beckman and vowed to “do anything” to bring down volkoff. people loudly defended her position and listed every reason why. last week every good point of the episode was brought out and most of the bad ones ignored or glossed over as having little impact.

      then like you said this week happened. someone flipped a switch. most of the people who defended the “i will do anything” just added an exception to that. don’t ignore chuck. this week they are bringing up most of the bad points and ignoring the good.

      did they all forget that she is still on that mission? she just suffered through a very traumatic event. she believes she killed casey, and her boyfriend saw it. her main hope of getting out and completing the mission is with a dead man. “distance” may have been a bad piece of advice to follow. her trying to get her head back in the game is not. she needs to be at the top of her game right now, not fighting with chuck. she is “doing what ever it takes”. this week that’s not as acceptable as it was last week. we don’t know what was in the text and we may never know.

      this is the first hour of a two hour show. maybe the networks need to start putting the “to be continued” phrase back on the ending scene. i did not see this as a way of adding angst to the show, nor did i find it contrived. i thought it was the reaction of a woman in a completely screwed up emotional place. i figured a lot of us have done the same thing a time or two. not taken a call or decline a text when we just wanted to be alone to think. we should give her the same benefit of the doubt.

      you know i have been on the opposite side of the fence both weeks. i can see and appreciate the opposite point of view as well as my own. that’s the funny thing about people, we all like different things. here you can state your case and i can state mine, and we can discuss them. it makes this place fun to visit.

      it has been pointed out to me that i should watch s3 to better compare this season to the rest. if watching that season causes me to judge an episode on past fears, i will continue to pass on it. i do understand the complaints on the hang up, a lot seem to be based on what happened last year. last week i put the cart before the horse about sarah being alone with no back up and was proven wrong almost at the beginning of this week. this week a lot of people are expecting the worst from the hang up. maybe the same will happen to them in the first part of the show next week. we just have to wait and see.

      • armysfc says:

        add on to last. the good and bad points i mentioned are from my point of view only. people may have mentioned bad points but they may differ from mine. sorry for the confusion.

      • atcDave says:

        Army we’re not expecting the worse. I’m actually still expecting the best. It’s just that the set-up feels a lot like the sort of situations they overdid last season.

        And I never defended Sarah doing anything to get Volkoff. I defended her intentions in wanting to. But the huge distinction is, I would have preferred if she figured out very quickly that she was NOT actually willing to do anything and that there were some lines that should not be crossed.

      • atcDave says:

        Oh and for the record, I never recommended watching S3. I wouldn’t do that to anyone. But you do need to understand there’s a history there that absolutely effects how many of watch. Certain moments (like switching off a cell phone) will always get a groan and an eye roll from many of us who sat through that train wreck.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        I defended her intentions in wanting to. But the huge distinction is, I would have preferred if she figured out very quickly that she was NOT actually willing to do anything and that there were some lines that should not be crossed.

        This^ Exactly this.^

      • armySFC says:

        dave, i know it wasn’t you, so sorry if i offended you. i won’t names names for that reason, just it was recommended. its just that for all the love of the show that goes on here, if you read the posts, many people get caught in a loop. i was commenting that the reaction of the gobbler was polar opposite of the balcony by majority of the people here. and i was on the opposite side each week.

      • rac2873 says:

        I guess I am one of the opposites. I enjoyed the episode but two things stuck out at me and made actually grown. Chuck saying My Sarah will never change” Ugh. Then Sarah hanging up.

        This ia fandom who has done the WTWT angst since the beginning. Sarah declined his call and threw the phone into a pool in Pink Slip. Shudders!! Then in American Hero they Chuck asks her to run away Sarah never shows up at the station and Chuck calls Sarah to find out she went off the grid with Shaw. Wouldn’t you know Sarah is not answering her phone because it is jammed. Chuck thinks Sarah wants to run away. Not angsty led to a great moment but it was used many times in the past. Now Sarah declining his call so she can follow the path of Mary.
        That upset me the most.

        Army I see what you are saying but they could have handled this a better way. They could have left use with a cliff hanger like they did in Nemesis. But as Chuck fans we wanted anything but Sarah his possible fiance avoiding Chuck.

        Imagine if Chuck did that. Sarah would go pahse three to drag his but out of Russia.

        All I want is for the show runners not to think we are stupid and to knock off the cliche’s. One other thing we had to deal with depressing ending after depressing ending for the first half of S3. Now we get two back to back. We start to get flashbacks of darker times. lol

      • Faith says:

        I recommended you watch S3 specifically to realize that which lines they won’t cross. Not just think they won’t go there like BdaddyL pointed out but know. Because to hear about it is totally different from seeing it.

        But hey I’m not forcing you or anything, it was just a friendly suggestion.

      • atcDave says:

        Rac thanks for bringing up something. I’ve been hammering on not liking the end much. But they did set up that frustration early. Chuck’s line early on about Sarah never changing was staggeringly stupid, few characters in television have ever changed more than 4 seasons of Sarah Walker.

        So its like they were setting up the idea Chuck is blown away that Sarah has changed. It not only feels like a worn out device on this show, but it was a total stupid stick moment.

        But you brought up another excellent thing about Phase 3. I’d LOVE to see Chuck get his Phase 3 moment, and go storming into action to get Sarah back. I THINK that’s a parallel we WILL see next week.

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