Chuck vs. The Masquerade: Specs and Reacts!

Speculations First!

How to go to the Masquerade Ball.

We have already seen this official NBC synopsis for episode 4.16, Chuck vs. the Masquerade.

 

Valentine’s Day is interrupted when Chuck (Zachary Levi) and the team are sent on a mission to England to protect a reclusive young heiress, Vivian McArthur (guest star Lauren Cohan). Meanwhile, Casey (Adam Baldwin) gets an offer from the mysterious Jane Bentley (guest star Robin Givens). Back at home, Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) and Awesome (Ryan McPartlin) find an unlikely solution to a parenting problem, as Morgan (Joshua Gomez) ponders a big move. Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay, Mark Christopher Lawrence and Bonita Friedericy also star.

Everyone’s already speculated that Vivian McArthur is Volkoff’s daughter. But is that right? Maybe. Maybe not. Originally, the title of this episode was given as Chuck vs. the First Mate. Could that be a reference to Vivian? Or could it be a reference to Sarah?


And who’s this mysterious Jane Bentley? She’s the next “boss” to enter into the picture, and bosses like Sh@w and Graham (and even Beckman when you get right down to it) have a decidedly checkered history in Chuck. Pull the pedals from the daisies now. Trust them, trust them not.

Morgan is pondering a big move. The speculation is – drum roll – he’s gonna want a new roommate, one who happens to be the daughter of a real killer. “Cold school.” For me, Morgan’s growth and development from the slacker with mad work avoidance skills to Buy More Corporate Manager adult has be one of the best developments of the past two seasons, second only to the growth of Charah (remember that term?). My personal preference is to keep him as close to the action as he’s been and I do worry that this might signal a move a way from the center. But not necessarily, so it’s only a small worry. And even if it was, it could still work out for my greater enjoyment. YMMV!

Baby problems? Will I have to worry about Clara now? Naw! It’s been a while since Devon has shown us that he can still be awesome, and I suspect that this will be a moment for him to shine.

And Your First Reactions!

My apologies for putting up such a late post to invite speculation. But please spoil us to your hearts content in comments! Of course, those who wish to avoid spoilers may want to steer clear until after the episode airs in your time zone.

And when it does, please let us know all about your first reactions. Did your speculations pan out?

– joe

Update: No sooner do I hit the ‘Publish’ button than I spot this piece by Matt Mitovich at TV Line:

“We’re on a mission to seek out someone of importance that we are clued onto by Volkoff’s hydra network, this vast network of… well, things that are networked,” series star Zachary Levi told TVLine during our visit to the location shoot. “This is a very high-priority person we need to find, and in order to do that we go to this incredible manor where a masquerade ball is being thrown.”

Again evoking Eyes Wide Shut, Levi says of the episode, “It’s nice to get all dressed up, wear a mask and feel like Tom Cruise… but five feet taller.”

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169 Responses to Chuck vs. The Masquerade: Specs and Reacts!

  1. herder says:

    What if the move Morgan is contemplating is not domestic with Alex but rather should he stick with Team Bartowski or go with Team Casey. I don’t know about Vivian being a Volkov, but I wonder if Jane Bently ends out being one of Volkov’s assets in the CIA and is trying to weaken Team Bartowski by tempting away Casey.

    • joe says:

      Ooohhh! Nice. I like both those juicy specs, Herder.

      All the silence about Vivian has been deafening. I would love to see the kind of spanner you describe being thrown into the works!

      About Morgan, you’re right. He’s tied to Casey now. If Casey is tempted to leave, what does that do to Morgan?

      • Paul says:

        From spoilers dropped, Vivian is supposed to be like a female version of S1 Chuck: a nice person who is suddenly in over her head in the spy world, and not by her own choosing. The quesiton becomes what is her connection to Volkoff? IMDB spoiled that her real name is Vivian Volkoff (but IMDB has also been known to be wrong). Also in an interview, Lauren Cohen stated there was a rumor that Vivians ultimate puprose and story refutes something that has been stated on the show. So for me, there are a couple of scenarios that are brewing:

        1) Vivian is Volkoff’s daughter from a different woman. With Volkoff gone, she is now in danger. Team B are sent to protect her. She finds out that Team B took daddy down and now will be out for revenge.

        2) Same as above except she has a grudge against Volkoff for abandoning her and her mom, and uses Team B to get to him so she can have her revenge.

        3) For an even wilder twist, she is the daughter of Frost and Volkoff, making her Chuck and Ellie’s half sister. Frost lied about not ever sleeping with Volkoff in order to not hurt Chuck’s feelings.

        4) Even wilder (and most improbable) Vivian is the daugher of Frost and Orion. Frost was pregnant (didn’t know) when she left on her mission.

      • armysfc says:

        good specs paul! yeah the last one is pretty impossible, from everything i have read vivian is about 28. then again it could be a good one because of how they do time. i keep hearing that mama b was gone for 20 years, but left when chuck was 8 (not sure about this). chucks 32 now at least so puts her gone at 24 years. so it may be possible.

        i like the morgan going with casey a bit. he may even be casey’s room mate. the spoiler for the next episode mentions something about morgan having trouble with his new roomie, so it could be it.

        i feel your numbers one and two are most likely. three is kinda out for me because volkoff also makes a big deal about not being with mama b.

        vivian could also be volkoff’s niece, but that’s out there also. i just hope its a better lead in episode than the last couple. while they were ok, i’d like to see a real strong lead in to this next arc. high drama on the spy front, no impact on the romantic side of the show.

      • Paul says:

        Actually, according to timeline, Chuck is about 29 or 30 and Sarah is 30 or 31 (Chuck would have been 25 or 26 when the series started). Vivian is supposed to be around 25.

      • Chuck celebrated is 26th birthday in the Pilot which would mean he was born in ’81. Sarah graduated High School in 1998 and Chuck said she was 28 in DeLorean which would mean she was born in ’80.

      • atcDave says:

        Although Chuck was likely guessing on Sarah’s age just based on her high school graduation.

        But some interesting possibilities here. Not sure who the mom is, but I’m fairly confident the Volkoff’s daughter bit is true; things just add up nicely if so.
        I like the idea of her being a half-sis to Chuck, but I think the math makes it unlikely.

      • If Vivian was Frost daughter it would make her even younger than Alex.

      • JC says:

        Unless Vivian is 19 years old, she can’t be the daughter of Frost and Orion or Volkoff. Or there’s a massive retcon coming.

      • atcDave says:

        That’s exactly right JC. They have suggested we will learn something we previously thought was not true; but making Vivian the spawn of Frost is seriously pushing it.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC – [joke] Oh nos! Another return from the dead 😛 What is it with Chuck and Chuck fans. [/joke]
        Anyways, welcome back!. 😀

        As for new reveals discounting previously established fact in the show – I hope they don’t go for half-sibling etc.etc because it will severely belittle what Mama B told Volkoff in Push Mix about how she felt for Orion.

      • armySFC says:

        genie, ture. my hope is TPTB don’t decide to have sarah being married. knowing how the like to introduce angst that would be a great way. who knows, maybe they bring shaw back because he really wasn’t bad, just caught in the ring like mama b with volkoff, and vivian is his sister.

      • Frost may be the reason why Volkoff left Vivian and her mom?

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Army

        Vivian is Eve’s sister not Shaw’s. You have to wonder how Volkoff has so much information about the CIA. Eve was his source of intel. Anyways Vivian finds out about her heritage and the death of her sister which makes her turns evil. 🙂

      • atcDave says:

        Crumby that’s a reasonable guess. Could make things very tense if Vivian ever meets mamaB!

        I don’t think they would touch the “Sarah is married” thing. Way too explosive after last season. The woman has too many exes we already know about, adding another would be tiresome at best. Besides, it surely would have come up before she said yes to Chuck.
        Likewise, I’m sure we’ll never see Shaw again. Well, maybe if the show is still running for S8. But for now, there’s no way they stick their hands in that fire again.

      • JC says:

        @Genie

        Well Bryce is my favorite character, so I learned from the best.

        Vivian being Chuck’s sister just doesn’t make sense from any point unless she’s nineteen. Mary was undercover for twenty years so unless her and Volkoff had an affair before that its impossible. And even if they say she’s Mary and Stephen’s kid that they hid like Leia, did Ellie and Chuck get amnesia about their mother being pregnant.

        Her being a long lost Bartowski is too soap opera for my tastes.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        Vivian may be the female version of season 1 Chuck but unlike him she’s been trained for the job while his training even post spyworld is actually pretty limited.

    • thinkling says:

      Nice, Herder. Morgan trying to go with Casey … that would be quite a twist.

      I was wondering if Volkoff’s CIA mole is ever going to be brought into all this. Your spec seems like a really good way to do that.

    • armysfc says:

      paul thanks. i guess i got confused because when the series stated in 07 he was at his 27th or 28th birthday party. that was 4 years ago. so i thought he was closer to 31 or 32.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I don’t think they ever mentioned his age, other than by inference. He was ejected from Stanford his senior year, so one can assume he was 20-21. He spent 5 years at the Buy More, after Stanford, making him 25-26 at the birthday party that is the series opener. Sarah’s age was noted once, by Chuck, as 28 in Chuck Versus The DeLorean. If we assume that is correct that makes Sarah 30 this season and Chuck 29-30, which matches with his mother leaving when he was 9 and having been gone for 20 years.

      • armySFC says:

        ernie my kids graduate high school at 18/19. if he graduated hs at 18 (very few do at 17) he would start college at 18. his senior year he would be 22 upon graduating. he got kicked out at the end of the senior year. so he would have been 22. he would turn 23 that September. the show take place 5 years after that so that tell me he was 27 turning 28. if you go by the 17 entering college, subtract the year and its 26 turning 27. if you go by 19 add the year and he would have turned 28 turning 29. so he is anywhere between 30 and 33. not knowing his age when he graduated HS we can only guess. in my home state most kids leave HS at 18. so i’ll stick to that, lol.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I seemed to remember there was a bit of cannon on his birthday and it was established that the show started with his 26th birthday, so I checked. In Chuck Versus The Alma Mater when he flashes on himself his birthday is listed as 09/18/1981, meaning he turned 26 on 09/18/2007. In Alma Mater they also show 2003 as Chuck’s senior year, so Ellie saying Stanford was 5 years ago in the fall of 2007 just barely fits.

      • armySFC says:

        like i keep saying they can’t do time. not to pick on canon or you but your last sentence confuses me. “meaning he turned 26 on 09/18/2007. In Alma Mater they also show 2003 as Chuck’s senior year, so Ellie saying Stanford was 5 years ago in the fall of 2007 just barely fits.” i’m pretty good with math but 5 years from the fall 2007 gives me fall 2002.

        i will agree on his age based on the flash so i’ll go with he’s 30 this year. but the college and all still doesn’t fit with what ellie says. not that big of point, lol. so i’ll leave it be from here on out.

      • Chuck was kicked out of Standford in 2003, and he was 21 at the time. Saying Standford was 5 years ago when Chuck was 26 and left Standford at 21 isn’t that much of a stretch. Fall of 2002 was the beginning of his senior year.

      • armySFC says:

        crumby yeah i can see that. like i said last post it’s no big deal. i always thought ellies reference to standford referred to when he got kicked out. which as we said happened in 2003 at the end of his senior year not the beginning of his senior year in 2002.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        Wikipedia has his birthday listed as September 18th , 1981. Since that’s a very specific date, I’m going to assume there was some kind of official info, maybe on nbc.com or in a flash that was slowed down (like in Nemesis).The show started in 2007 on
        September 24th, 2007.

        That would make him currently 29 . Time is a little iffy on Chuck (at least it’s not soap opera iffy) . But if you count the exact amount of time from the pilot to now than he is definitely 29 . He’ll be 30 in September.

      • atcDave says:

        Most people don’t remember dates with computer like precision anyway. I can’t even count how many times I described something as “a couple years ago” only to realize later it was more like 6 or 7 years ago. If Ellie is describing an event from March of 2003 as five years ago in October of 2007, that is pretty remarkably precise.

      • I just meant that ‘5 years ago’ was more of a manner of speaking. 4 years and a half doesn’t sound as good. People usually rounded off those numbers. 😉

        They messed up so many other time elements anyway… I just think this one works. 🙂

      • thinkling says:

        He was definitely at Stanford 5 years before his 26th bday … fall 2002, which would have been fall semester of his senior year.

    • Matthew says:

      I thought the same thing when I read the old title name. Morgan has always been Chuck’s “first mate”. He’s called Chuck “my captain in at least one episode. Pretty sure it was season 1, the episode right after Chuck and Sarah’s fake break-up.

      I’m not sure how Chuck will take losing the little bearded-man. This episode sounds like a strong one.

    • herder says:

      Vivian is Volkov’s daughter by another, non-Bartowski woman, she hates the woman that her drools over, Frost, she is worried that she hasn’t heard from him or his woman Frost in several weeks and she has recently got over mourning the loss of her older sister Eve. She initially likes Chuck, but as she discovers that he is Frost’s son, that he arrested her father and had him thrown in jail and that his fiancee killed her beloved Eve her thoughts turn to revenge. Is that overheated enough for TPTB?

      Or do we speculate that she is the love child of Roan and Diane, conceived at the fall of the Berlin wall to the accompanyment of cheesy German hair ballads.
      Maybe she is Ted Roark’s daughter with Mary (she was on a long “mission”, remember he got all the pretty girls) and she has been running the RIOS information mining system for the past two years. So much to speculate and I’ll be willing to be that we are not much closer to the truth by the end of this episode.

  2. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    I’m kinda dissappointed to see the team driving a Mercedes….
    I was hoping to see Miss Walker try out a new Lexus LF sports car…
    http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/?p=2911
    – in keeping with the Toyota sponsorship…. either that or go retro with a twin turbo Supra…. but that’s neither here nor there…
    [ Do super spies just park their Porsche by the curb these days?]
    I like the idea of bringing in other characters…. new relationship dynamics could be great new direction for the show and characters – but we saw what happens [last season] – if those characters don’t work out as planned.
    I’m kinda worried about how TPTB will successfully incorporate Ellie and Devon into the story – I have a feeling they will be spending more time with the Buy More crew – which I don’t really find useful… Funny – Yes – just not very useful to the story.
    In any case – 4.16 should be a highly “shippery” night of fun – just say’n.

    • joe says:

      [Joe points his finger…] Car geek! 😉

      Yeah. I’m not sure I want to see a whole lot of new relationship complications at this point. If they’re really concerned about a possible EOS, then it’s nearly time to simplify.

      I’m counting on the idea that Vivian and/or Bentley somehow keeps Volkoff in the picture. There’s no need for a new big-baddy then. Oh yeah – I’m confident that there’s no OLIs or weird geometric shapes involved any more.

      Updated: And with sincere apologies, too. The original link was overwritten to a cartoon that I found offensive. I’ve replaced it with the perma-link to the intended cartoon.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        Well – here’s to high hopes –
        TPTB never just bring ‘named’ characters into the show.
        Chuck is entirely relational within his world.
        He’s very rarely task or even project oriented… [hense, not able to separate personal and professional levels of his life.]
        So naturally when they introduce new characters – these new folks will certainly have some type of relationship with our crew – doesn’t have to be emotional or physical… but it’ll be a relationhip nevertheless…
        Methinks that its time for Morgan and Chuck to end their domestic arrangement – its time to move on. – just say’n.
        How funny would the belly dancing have been if Morgan walked in? just say’n
        I did a quick skim through a couple past seasons… particularily looking for patterns and parallels in how they construct the direction of the show. Seemily, after a couple stand alone comedy EP’s – they introduce new characters to help steer the direction of the plot – interject a different perspective… basically separates the team… so they can eventually come back together in some grand resolution at the end.
        I’m not sure where the tension or “conflict” will come from…
        at least it hasn’t been hinted very clearly yet~ but I’m sure we’ll start to get a clearer picture very soon : )

    • thinkling says:

      Gringo, maybe the Lexus could be her Porsche replacement. Looks like a very sweet ride. The Mercedes is the UK car they have for the party (steering wheel’s on the right) and has to seat 4 people (and Chuck’s luggage).

      I pretty excited to see where all this is going, trusting now that lessons have been learned from the past. I really hope for more Bartowski family. I’ve really missed that. Hopefully Sarah’s convo with Ellie is the harbinger of more family interaction, even if they have to dial back some on Morgan and the Buymore (aw shucks).

  3. jason says:

    joe – I’m thinking masquerade will have some of the elements of mask, except the going separate ways at the end will not be CS, but will be some combo of casey / morgan vs chuck / sarah.

    Vivian will become a team member, but I don’t see her as a PLI, even though I 100% agree with near everyone who thinks jealous sarah and clueless chuck would make for comedy gold, I just don’t think they are going in that direction. I think vivian is going to be clueless, chuck is going to be very big brotherish, and sarah is going to be, I don’t know, need I even say it, sarah is going to be amazing, as well as amazed (at how cool chuck is about vivian) – LOL.

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      Fair spec. I think I can go for that actually. It all depends on how they play it.

      As for Vivian and Sarah, flashy engagement ring. That is all lol.

  4. Paul says:

    I’m guessing the Valentine’s Day fiasco fuels Morgan looking to move out. Who knows, maybe he opts to join Casey’s team. BTW, I think “First Mate” likely refered to Morgan. He’s Chuck’s sidekick, his Chewbacca if you will….

    • jason says:

      me too – my guess is someone clever on the creative side saw how many elements of 4×16 were like mask of season 3, hence the change, trying to ramp up some angst, knowing the ep is going to be very satisfying and awesome –

      But, the promo with each of them slinking about the wall in their rooms, holding star wars dolls. I know I am a broken record, parody, comedy, just isn’t drama, these guys are near 30 years old, one of them is a highly regarded world hero engaged to the hottest women on the planet, acting like he is 12, morning the moving out of his best boy friend and clutching his star wars doll. The writer from that 70’s show must be having a laugh, since eric used to play with his star wars toys all the time.

      • Paul says:

        I actually know people in their late 20’s who are like that so it’s not so absurd.

        I think the scene is more an allusion of finally growing up. Couple of things to remember: First, Morgan is more like a brother to Chuck than just a best friend. Letting go of someone that close is hard. Second, the both of them have been living in a state of suspended animation. An extended adolescence if you will. Neither has really had to grow up or grow apart since they were kids. I think the scene is a metaphor for putting away childish things and becoming an adult. And truely, it can be one of the hardest things for a person to do.

      • weaselone says:

        So they have a few Star Wars toys and are moping about moving apart. Are a few toys really that bad compared to a shoe or tie collection so extensive that the sale of it would provide sufficient cash to buy food for the population of an entire sub-Saharan country for a year? I also don’t buy the idea that one of the hallmarks of adulthood is one’s willingness to discard friends and family.

      • atcDave says:

        I’d also say on a similar note; it was a hard day when I sold my Hot Wheels collection. But my wife now wears them on her ring finger so it was worth it.

        It just strikes me as exactly the same sort of growing up issue.

      • Paul says:

        Weasel, it’s not the idea that you have to discard friends and family when you grow up (because you really ever don’t, although your relationship to them WILL change when you do grow up). The idea is you can’t cling to them (and the material things that represent childhood) in an attempt not to.

      • jason says:

        yea – people do all kinds of things, but my point is in terms of this show, the playing with star wars dolls is more of a comedy move than a move one might expect out of a dramatic, action hero. I have long lobbied more serious chuck fans that this cast is not serious, hence when the show tries to go serious, it has issues, I pointed out the slumping on the wall scene as such a time, just hard to picture chuck slitting someones throat or executing someone with a gun or sniper rifle, when he goes home and plays with action figure dolls.

      • weaselone says:

        I think to some extent we’ll have to wait for the episode to see how much is comedic and how much is bittersweet when it comes to the action figures.

      • jason says:

        i somehow can’t hide my pleasure in seeing morgan depart from sarah’s home, I do think it will be bittersweet, but I will be laughing, don’t despair, I think the writers have bigger plans for morgsy, heck, maybe fedak is planning a spin off?

      • armySFC says:

        my reaction to morgan moving out will be how far he moves. if its near chuck like in seasons 1&2 it will seem childish. if it’s to take a position with casey and he needs to move across country it would make sense.

      • silvercat says:

        Er. uh…. as a Star Wars and Star Treck fan who was buying collectible figures in his 40s, I don’t find the scenario hard to believe at all. And I was married at the time to a very hot woman. Fortunately, she shared my love for all things science fiction.

      • atcDave says:

        But SilverCat did she ever try to play with your “collectables”? That was one of the funniest scenes ever!

      • armySFC says:

        im not much of a collectibles person so bear with me. don’t they just become toys once they are out of the box? cause i have no idea. i know proof coins lose value if they are touched. well they did when i collected them years ago.

      • atcDave says:

        With collectables pristine is always better. But when I sold off over a hundred Hot Wheels 15 years ago, they were my childhood toys, and many of them were well used. I still found a collector who would give me enough to put a ring on my wife’s finger. So even if their value was diminished, it was still substantial. (who knows, maybe there was just one car in the bunch that he wanted and pitched the rest! But I doubt it).

      • armySFC says:

        Dave thanks for the information.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      I’m guessing the Valentine’s Day fiasco fuels Morgan looking to move out

      I agree with you. I am guessing that either Morgan comes to the realization that he is intruding too much on C/S’s privacy and decides to leave or even funnier he gets told to so directly/indirectly by Sarah.

      • atcDave says:

        I do hope Morgan figures it out for himself. But then he’s not exactly good at hints or boundaries…

      • Yeah I’m thinking the same thing. His move would parallel Casey’s new job opportunity.

        Morgan would tell Casey about feeling put to the side now that CS are building a life together, and Casey would understand since he would feel like he’s not really needed in Team B now that CS are partners.

      • atcDave says:

        That is an excellent parallel. I imagine the way it plays out will have something to do with both parties figuring out their new role. Its easy to see how Chuck and Sarah could still need Casey’s help. Morgan is a little harder to guess.

      • Morgan we’ll probably be a lot over at Chuck and Sarah’s anyway. He was always there before moving in. They’ll probably still have a room for him, with his Morgan door…

      • armySFC says:

        well if you look at the promos, morgan has the entire apt decked out for V day and they are wearing pink blindfolds. my bet is chuck and sarah walk in on it. maybe only one of them. my guess is that’s the fiasco. my wild card is alex is the one that prompts morgan to get a new place.

      • That makes me think of Chandler and Monica when they bought their house. They had a room for Joey in it. 😉

      • thinkling says:

        This episode may be kind of sad for Morgan.

        Crumby, maybe Morgan could learn to knock since the Morgan door is Chuck and Sarah bedroom … or they could nail it shut.

      • I’m thinking the new Morgan door would be in the other room. Or that could be awkward… and deadly for Morgan.

    • Paul says:

      The thing is, they are not actually playing with them. They are looking at them with melancholy. Besides, any true geek knows, when you play with a toy, it looses monetary value. 😉

      My bet is that Morgan gives Chuck the Han Solo figure as a gesture that they’ll always be best buds and team like Han and Chewie even if they are not physically together.

  5. Big Kev says:

    Do we know who wrote this episode? With all the seeming parallels to Mask, is it possible they would give it to Klemmer (who wrote that episode) as a sort of compare and contrast to help restore his reputation?

  6. armySFC says:

    since this a spec thread on 4.16 i just found this. i hope its not a repeat.

    http://www.examiner.com/tv-insider-in-los-angeles/robin-givens-has-her-eye-on-chuck

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Army, thanks for the link.

      Very Interesting excerpt:

      So perhaps she knows some more than has so far been revealed about Volkoff (Timothy Dalton) and Mary (Linda Hamilton)’s relationship? After all, Givens’ character, Jane Bentley, will be introduced in “Chuck vs the Masquerade,” an episode that also introduces the mysterious Lauren Cohan as a woman who may hold some Volkoff secrets of her own. Are the two women secretly working together?
      Or perhaps Jane may even have some insight into Mr. Bartowski (Scott Bakula) himself. We’re not going to spoil all the dirty details; you’ll just have to tune in to know for sure!

  7. Tamara Burks says:

    I don’t think I’m the only one going please TPTB don’t make her Volkoff and Mary’s child.

    Mary’s done enough damage to her family, don’t make her an adulterer as well.

  8. Tamara Burks says:

    I’m thinking that the parenting problem might be who babysits when both of them are called in to work.

    Oh and if anyone is wondering where Mama B has been since Push Mix I can only specualte that she’s going through one heck of a debriefing process. She’s been considered rogue for 20 years and no telling what dirty deeds she’s been doing during those time for Volkoff to protect her cover (like blowing up her children’s childhood home and no telling how much valuable info and tech Orion had squirreled away there) .

  9. armySFC says:

    is anyone but me curious about how sarah will explain her being at at least one orgy? is she yanking chucks chain or did she actually participate in them?

    • Tamara Burks says:

      I’m curious. Plus there’s the question of whether or not it was part of her job, something she did for herself or a combination of the two where she enjoyed doing her job.

      No one likes the mental image (and if there’s any actual pics in the Intersect that statement might trigger them) of thier future spouse in an orgy (unless that’s thier type of thing too) . Plus what we already know of her sexual history is bad enough. For her to have had a reputation of getting involved with her coworkers it had to have been more than Bryce or at least people thought it was more than Bryce (maybe there was a rumor about her and Graham) .

      Maybe she’s thinks if she makes Chuck afraid to ask about her past he’ll stop poking around and she never has to face up to it.

    • atcDave says:

      I’m thinking, given how careful they’ve been this season, it will likely be clarified she avoided any hanky-panky somehow. Like possibly she was doing surveillance only (bad enough!) and wasn’t an actual guest. At least I’m hoping. Sarah has enough demons in her past.

      • armySFC says:

        well i would agree dave, but the line she says, i have been to those and they are not like this. my guess is she has been inside the room. all other bets are off though.

      • jason says:

        would seem like one of those moments where promo’s are selected to try to generate angst … for some reason, I don’t think sarah’s participation or lack there of in a sex party will become a major plot line, what I think is noteworthy, is how easily the ‘truth’ seems to come from her to chuck every once in a while, that line would not come easily in many engaged couples lives, even in a crazy role reversal type world.

      • weaselone says:

        I’m pretty sure it was meant to be humorous, not to generate angst.

      • jason says:

        meee too wez – that is what i tried to say – often the promo guys like riling up the shippers with lines like that – sarah probably would violate all kinds of ‘protocols’ if she attended a sex party, except of course with Michel Gorbachev maybe

      • Agreed weaselone. I thought both the way Sarah said it and Chuck’s reaction were hilarious.

      • joe says:

        Wait! Did I mis-hear? Didn’t Sarah intimate that she was kidding him about the sex party?

        Of course, she said it so straight faced that even Chuck wasn’t sure. But I was atm. That’s how I took it, anyway.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree Joe. Gotta watch that Sarah, she’s a kidder!

    • It’s just a funny line. They probably won’t say anything much more than that.

      We really don’t know anything about Sarah sexual history. She had no reputation for getting involved with her coworkers, that was just a comment made by Casey on her falling for Bryce and Chuck only. And we never saw her sleep with any mark she had to seduce.

      There’s no reason to think she would not have been there because of her job and there’s no reason to think she would have been participating.

    • Paul says:

      From the deadpan look on her face, I bet she was just joking.

  10. amyabn says:

    My spec is that Mrs. Haditzian, the lady who likes Devon in his spandex, falls down the stairs after spying on Devon on his Gazelle glider. She has to be placed in assisted living. Her apartment opens up and Morgan and Alex can move in. I just don’t want Vivian to move in with C&S. I’m expecting some awkward moment with Morgan walking in on C&S or something to prompt his fear of Sarah/choice of moving out. I would prefer it to be his choice, though.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I always assumed that Mrs. Haditzian was the one who moved out of Ellie and Awesome’s apartment. I’d kind of assumed that the entire building was now Villa del Bartowski. Still I suppose there could be a fourth unit for Morgan. But I thought it would be more along the lines of Casey leaving and handing over the keys to Morgan for the time being.

      • atcDave says:

        The complex looks a little bigger than three units from the overheads, but maybe not by much. It would be kind of funny if Morgan’s “big move” is just another unit in the same complex.

    • jason says:

      I thought the awkward moment might be CS walking in on alex and morgan from the promo at least, I agree, so much better if morgan decides it is time, would it not be a bit of comic gold if chuck tries to convince morgan to stay, and gets the ‘look’ from the victoria secret girl?

      • I thought that too. Chuck and Sarah’s faces when they apparently walk on Alex & Morgan is hilarious.

        I’m hoping for both Morgan & Chuck agreeing that it’s time, and that it’s better for their couple, but having a hard time with it. And Sarah will have a nice moment with either Chuck or Morgan or both at the end. Something like a “you’ll always be welcome here Morgan” moment.

  11. sniderman says:

    Casey: “What about you? You live in Charah’s apartment!”

    CHARAH? Did Casey just say “Charah?”

    AWESOME.

  12. Tamara Burks says:

    We definitely found out who Vivian was quickly and what the unlikely solution to the parenting problem was. I wonder if Clara was influenced by by the Jeffster serenade when she was being born.

  13. Tamara Burks says:

    We also found out what the original title meant.

  14. Rick Holy says:

    REALLY enjoyed this episode. LOVED the introduction of Vivian into the mix – and also the Robin Givens character and the potential “new mission” for Casey IN BURBANK!! There were some great plot twists introduced. Does Vivian follow in Daddy Volkoff’s footsteps, or “follow the light?” 🙂

    Just totally loved what they did here. The writing team is excellent Judkins and LeFranc are excellent. There was enough “drama,” enough “what next?”, and enough comic elements (the whole masquerade party orgy line was just too good; the Morgan moving out and the “seperation anxiety” that he and Chuck were experiencing; the Ellie and Awesome not being able to get any sleep – or other bedtime activities – with the new baby, and then when the baby finally WOULD sleep – well, you know the rest).

    This episode just had a number of nice elements to it and leaves me wondering what’s coming next. It’s not all “predictable” for the rest of the season. And talk about “Unleashing the Casey!”

    • Rick Holy says:

      Almost forgot, since it happened so early on. Absolutely LOVED the way the “angel wings” popped out from Sarah’s nightie. “Surprise!” 😉

      • Tamara Burks says:

        Me too. That was just so cute ! Of course a much naughtier thought was probably going through Chuck’s head.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      I’m thinking that the baby was influenced by the birthing serenade from Jeffster.

    • sd says:

      I agree! Sometimes my gentle complaint about Chuck is the pacing and this writing team is great with pacing.
      There were just enough beats of goofy romance, humor, drama and ZL really nailed the whole separation anxiety part. Also–the pained look on Sarah’s face about it all.

      • Paul says:

        Well, Sarah does know how much Morgan means to Chuck and she really didn’t intend on him to move out.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah that was great Paul. I loved how that whole situation was handled, Morgan realizing it’s time, Chuck sad and reflective, and Sarah being so sweet about it. Awesome sub-plot (shoot, it was almost the main plot!)

      • joe says:

        There was something so – the only words I can think to describe it are “dramatically adult” – about this episode.

        I mean, I saw the humor of course. And the romance was both cute at the beginning and totally angst free throughout. But the drama was the most amazing thing.

        For this show it felt different. It felt “adult” and serious. Fantastic!

      • armysfc says:

        joe, this is the episode i have been waiting for all season.

      • joe says:

        You just have to expand on that, Army.

        Do you mean that mood I’m struggling to describe that permeated the episode? That “adult drama”? Or is it something else?

      • armysfc says:

        lol i won’t expand to much. i won’t comment on the episodes in a detailed manor anymore. i will say your last line said it all.

  15. Paul says:

    Really liked the eps. Had a nice season 2 feel to it.

  16. weaselone says:

    So has Vivian decided to follow in Daddy’s footsteps already and opted to use team Chuck to forward her designs to restore his empire, or will she fall to the temptation later in the series?

    • I thought it was pretty good to let it all out there right from her first episode. Good or Bad?

    • armySFC says:

      i think she’s on the good side. my guess is she doesn’t want to become dad. she lets team b know, they break into the bank. wasn’t she the hostage in the promo? it says what they want is in the vault. vivian supplies that information to them, she gets it out of a safety deposit type box. c/s use the heist to cover for her.

  17. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    Wow – blood on the windshield – we don’t see that from Chuck very often…..
    really funny Valentine’s segment…. haven’t laughed that hard since Beckman shot the Bazooka [ ok – it hasn’t been that long]
    Swapping energy – Love machine – Victoria Secret wings – cholocate sauce….
    ” What are they doing???”…. that was hilarious.
    Thought things started to sag a bit- footage at the party – scenes in the stable.
    Anyone else think the interrogation of Vivian went to quickly? Of course they didn’t show much of it – but its as if they weren’t taking her seriously as a threat –
    Anyone else think that might come back to bit them?
    Nice to see Ellie and Awesome. Clara is 3 months old already – wow, time flies!
    No mention of MEB…. hmmm.
    I almost wanted to see more Jeff and Lester.
    They still have their Eeeewww factor – [Ellie breastfeeding]- nicely played.
    Anyone else notice the face on the stunt double’s face – as Sarah was thrown from the horse…. hmmm.
    Nice moment – Sarah telling Casey to find Chuck – ” There’s too many of them”
    I liked the cliff hanger – although I doubt we get to find out what’s behind the door in Volkoff’s office anytime soon. Just hope its not another ~ ” Your father never wanted you to see this” moment…. or Ellie’s ” Oh Gawd” reply when she see’s what’s on her father’s laptop….. big moments that never really paid off.
    Still – I like where things are headed. Always love this pair of writers!

    • joe says:

      I’ve been fretting to myself for weeks about timing. “Will they have time to finish that arc, or time to introduce this hook, or get around to explaining the other thing?” You know.

      But somehow this seemed to wipe that all away. We found out about Vivian immediately, but not about her true character. Chuck trusts her and that’s going to be good enough for me for a long while. Morgan is obviously the First Mate. Now he needs a new place to stay. I just know it’ll be with Alex. Casey is going to be soooo tempted to leave TeamB. What’s that going to be like? And is that mysterious “gate 6” (I think it said that) right there is Castle? Yup. What’s that all about.

      All these are complications that seem perfectly timed now, and this episode is begging for multiple viewings.

      And Chuck&Sarah go Bonnie & Clyde next week. Very cool!

  18. silvercat says:

    Good setup episode for the return of Volkoff. I think Vivian’s going to end up trying to revive VI, and probably will be involved in breaking Daddy out of jail.

    Things I loved:

    1. The Valentine’s Day activities, especially Morgan and Alex “communing,” or whatever they were doing… and Sarah in a negligee, with wings–Priceless!

    2. Casey calling our couple Charah!

    3. Chuck taking out the mounted red coats with an Olympic gymnastics move.

    4. Vivian storing a shotgun under her saddle… and using it!

    5. As a someone who collected Star Wars and Trek figures well into his forties, I liked the whole interaction between Chuck and Morgan concerning their collectibles.

    I’m going to rewatch later tonight, and will probably have more.

  19. atcDave says:

    Very fun episode tonight. Nothing really earthshaking, but some good moments. The Valentine’s night was pretty funny; Morgan seems to have found a like-minded very strange girl. Sarah’s wings were a hoot. The best part was the band of lunatics trudging into Castle! Chuck really needed to put a jacket on…

    Vivian doesn’t really seem very interesting to me yet. They spilled the beans about her being a Volkoff pretty fast. So we know by the end she’s keeping secrets, but it does seem like its her secret to keep. So it will be interesting to see how it matters in the future.

    Loved the Morgan moving out bit. From Casey breaking it to him that he is officially a child (and yes he used the term “Charah”, very funny!), to Sarah trying to convince him he is not a third wheel. Who knew Sarah would be so sympathetic towards the bearded troll. Absolutely loved Sarah trying to play with the “toys”, very funny scene. Isn’t this about the fourth time this season we’ve had a dynamite Morgan/Sarah scene? Best part of the episode. The Morgan/Chuck scene was also sweet and well done. I like that Chuck will miss his buddy, but in the end they both know its time.

    I was also pleased at the overlay of Morgan’s and Casey’s decisions. Casey’s doesn’t have much emotional heft yet. For one, we clearly saw this week that his old team does still need him. For two, it doesn’t seem moving is part of the decision (although it was nice to see Casey knew he wouldn’t move). So its not clear yet how much impact it actually might have.

    No real complaints right off. The villain was a bit underwhelming, but that was hardly the point.

  20. I liked it. Really nice setup for the rest of the season. We sere spoiled a lot about some stuff, but they still managed to surprised me. When Vivian killed Boris, and then letting the doubt on what side she’s in/is choosing.

    They telegraphed what the key was, and it’s a little weird that they wouldn’t look for it. Surely there’s other bad guy that could want it? But hey, I still liked it.

    The Morgan stuff was funny and sweet. Sarah wanting to “hang” with Morgan. Chuck and Morgan scenes. And giving Han and Chewbie to Clara was a really nice touch.

    And I loved that Casey doesn’t want to leave Burbank. He told Alex he wasn’t going anywhere and he’s sticking to it. Loved that.

  21. First Timer says:

    One gigantic missed opportunity: Chuck COULD have told Vivian to “stay in the stable” while he went off to save Sarah and Casey…

    Just sayin’…

  22. herder says:

    I liked it, a lot but it was very different in tone than the last few episodes and the first part of the season too. No relationship angst or issues at all, Chuck didn’t blame Sarah for Morgan wanting to move out, just a happy spy couple.

    The opening was great, adolescent Chuck and Morgan, I mean really who makes up a tee shirt of themselves titled “love machine”, Sarah being clueless of what a sock on the door means. Then a series of pops, Alex and Morgan doing what ever weird thing they were doing, Chuck and Sarah’s bewilderment, even more weirdness from Alex and Morgan, the wings sprouting from the back of the negligee and the piece de resistance the incredible awkwardness of Casey’s appearance, so very awkward.

    Then a whole series of set up stuff done at a nice pace; introduce Vivian, introduce Bentley or whatever her name is, Casey and Morgan exploring their issues, a pause while the story of the week progresses. Even though the Ellie and Awesome story didn’t have a lot to do with the rest of the story I liked it and it allowed for a good use of Jeffster. Nice scene of Sarah and Morgan, although playing with the action figures made it seem like Sarah was entertaining a small child.

    I thought the Morgan moving out scenes with the figures and at the end was a bit much, come on, he’s moving out not leaving the country. Also the “living with your two best friends” was a bit much, Sarah and Morgan are Chuck’s two best friends, in that order, Sarah is Morgan’s best friend’s girlfriend not his best friend.

    I thought the similarities and contrasts between Chuck and Vivian were well done, both were prepared for their destinies long before they were aware of them, both were kind of lost souls until destiny was thrust upon them. The difference is in how Vivian reacted to whats-his-head pointing a gun at her, can you imagine Chuck shooting someone with a shotgun in season 1? I’m not entirely convinced that she is bad, Bently showing up at Vivian’s party is suspicious, was it to observe Casey or was it to shadow Vivian for Volkov. I’m willing to bet that at least one of them is bad, which I’m not sure and it could be both, right now I’d say that Bently is more likely the bad guy but who knows, maybe the knowledge that two or three Bartowski’s took down his father may push Vivian to the dark side too, after all she has been trained for this.

    A fun episode (high praise) and a good set up to boot. Lefranc and Judkins continue their strong streak (as does the show) and stretch their wings a bit (pun intended) in doing a non romance episode.

    • It’s true that this moving out thing is weird. I loved it, but didn’t Morgan moved to Hawai after Ellie & Awesome’s wedding while Chuck left for Prague? And they stayed apart for 6 months. That was way more radical…

    • atcDave says:

      I kind thought the point of Sarah hanging with Morgan was that she was entertaining a small child. Well that and she truly has no idea what to talk to Morgan about! Sarah trying to play with his toys was too funny.

      Chuck’s line about Morgan’s two best friends was funny; Sarah tried to play the part, but in the end, like you said, she was just his friend’s girlfriend.

    • joe says:

      There was a lot about growing up in this one, for Morgan, for Casey, for Vivian.

      It seemed to be a last gasp for adolescent Chuck, too.

      • herder says:

        If the episode had a theme I’d say that growing up was it, yes they all have their natures and those are going to remain but at some time we all have to become an adult and cast aside childish things. Casey, Morgan, Vivian and Chuck too all had to face that truth. Casey in the sense that with Chuck he has had a rebirth of sorts, moving from “that burn out” to a real person again but now he has to take that real person into the real world again, or at least so he is being led to beleive.

    • atcDave says:

      I’m betting adolescent Chuck will be back!

      • herder says:

        Of course that is his nature, but as Joe said above, this episode was one of the most adult of the series without losing the fun aspect of the show.

      • joe says:

        Yeah. I don’t think that part of him will ever die. But he sure took a beating from adult Chuck today.

        I’m glad that you guys seem to understand what I mean. After one viewing I’m not sure exactly what I enjoyed so much about the mood I’m trying to describe. But I did.

        That last shot of Vivian after she shot whats-his-name (sorry!) captured it for me. There was nothing childish about that at all, and that’s a great thing.

        I love the humor in Chuck – always have. But I never want it to be considered a kid’s show. It can relax the tension. In fact, at times it has to. But when it gets serious, that’s when it touches my buttons.

        For me, there’s nothing better.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      I thought it was a lot of fun too. I laughed out loud during the neginning scenes. What the heck where Alex and Morgan doing? I felt sorry for Casey walking in on all that. Not only must he have felt like he was walking into a madhouse , he’s had to face the fact that his daughter is a sexual being much sooner than most father’s do.

      I think Bently is going to turn out to be a bad guy because quite frankjly look at the track record for sending people from Washington. Beckman’s okay now but she was all for killing Chuck as a security risk. We also got Rye the hyper strange, Shaw the hypocritical , incompetant yuck, Graham who I think may have interfered with CPS taking care of Sarah post her father’s arrest so that she would be left rudderless and would be grateful when he came back for her and be willing to do anything he asked of her and he seemed to be all for killing Chuck so he could have his own squad of Intersect agents.

      I thought the wings were adorable. It seemed like yet another part of her wadrobe that wasn’t picked out by the CIA .

      • herder says:

        Yeah, there was a certain ick factor in what ever Morgan and Alex were doing and the effect it had on anyone seeing it. I think that Bently knows a lot of the secrets about the dealings with team Bartowski and is going to use them to keep the team apart once she gets the initial break. Then again a competent and ruthless villain is much better than some sort of straw man that can be taken down easily.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        She could definitely do a great villian . She’s got the acting chops to do it . I just hope they write her well enough as one.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      Season 1 Chuck wouldn’t have even had the shotgun to shoot with. Vivian has been trained to take over the reins all her life (unbeknownst to her) and was comfortable with guns (how old did Boris say when she became a skeet shooting champion?) .

      Chuck OTOH had only handled video game guns before running straight into spyworld (as an adult) . However we saw that if he has to and a real gun is the only available option at hand , he WILL take the shot. He did with Shaw . Even if there had been a tranq gun nearby , I think he would’ve shot Shaw with the real gun if grabbing the trank gun would have taken time that Sarah didn’t have to waste.

      When he shot Shaw it was the only available option and when Vivian shot Boris it was the only option as well.

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      Great read Herder. Absolutely love the parallel discussion.

    • Paul says:

      Of course Sarah doesn’t know what a sock on the door meant. Given her history with men, the types of guys in her past likely flew her ont heir private jets to their private condos on the Mediterranean. 😉

  23. luckygirl says:

    Sarah is going to be a good mom. Thats all I kept thinking during the scene with her and the “toys”. She may not always understand but she will always try.

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      That and the horse back riding confirms it, Sarah really can do anything.

      Also Morgan really is their kid in a way. Certainly Sarah showed it with the toys lol.

  24. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Great episode overall. LeJudkins continue to hit it out of the park each time.

    Highlights:

    Great opening sequence of the hit man looking for the elusive Vivian and the key
    Sarah’s angel dress, her “surprise” and Chuck’s subsequent expression.
    Morgan and Alex’s hijinks – super weird
    Really felt for Casey when he entered the house only to find the shenanigans.
    Is it just me or Zach Levi has great chemistry with all the female characters.
    Jane Bentely scoping out Casey’s bar tending skills at the masquerade
    Chuck being sort of handler to Vivian.
    Most awkward hang out – Sarah and Morgan although it led to something great. Morgan moves out – finally.
    Sarah playing with the collectibles – Simply adorable
    That wig on Sarah was great – one couldn’t tell the difference between Sarah and Vivian on the first look.
    Incredible horse chase scene ending with Chuck acting as Tarzan of the Apes.
    Casey to the rescue – Loved his killing spree to death.
    Vivian showing she really is Volkoff’s daughter – blowing away the hit man. Aces.
    The Devon/Ellie/Clara sub plot was good with the Buy Morons being properly used.
    Two neat cliffhangers – nudging of two persons to their destinies/calling?
    Will Vivian be the next bad ? What is behind that door?
    Will Casey lead the new team? What is behind that door?

    IMHO, LeJudkinns must write the majority of Season 5 along with Kristin Newman. (yeah I am an eternal optimist)

    • herder says:

      Best comment that I have read elsewhere is that the door that Casey saw should lead to another door then another then to an elevator disguised as a phone booth.

      As far as I can see, the best writing comes from Lefranc/Judkins, Kristen Newman and Chris Fedak (might not like some of his overall ideas but his episodes are usually quite good), lets hope the others can step up to the plate. Really four strong episodes in a row a few more and they will be close to season 2 territory (I’m not discounting the first part of season 4 which had a number of great episodes).

  25. uplink2 says:

    A couple of things I saw. First I loved that even though this was a setup episode with a cliff hanger it wasn’t about something in the episode. The episode was wrapped up completely and the cliff hanger is about next week and the following weeks.

    I also love how they dealt with the Casey thing. He gets to expand his role and do more stuff but they respected what he had said about staying in Burbank. They can have him off doing other things but still be part of the team and the show because they are co-located. It allows for greater growth for this season and a possible next season. Brilliantly done.

    I loved the fact that the orgy comment was used to tease Chuck. That is an area we rarely see from Sarah, the ability to tease him. That was very special to see. She really is growing and I loved the comment in the promo for next week when Chuck asked her if she is having fun.

    Yvonne looked amazing in this episode and even look better next week. The wardrobe folks are really great this season.

  26. JC says:

    Strongest episode of the season overall and quite possibly the last two seasons. I don’t know if the episode was about growing up as it was about changing and finding your new role in life. Both Casey and Morgan think they’re third wheels when it comes to Chuck and Sarah. But I think it’ll be about finding new dynamics in how they relate to them. They’re both still needed but not in the same ways they were before.

    The beginning was great with Chuck and Morgan, that’s how you show Chuck is still a nerd not on missions. Do it on the home front. It was sweet, awkward and funny all at once. And Chuck’s a fan of Love Actually which is a perfect Valentine’s Day movie.

    The Ellie and Awesome scenes didn’t slow down the episode at all, in fact I liked that it showed the struggles of being new parents without going overboard.

    Nice to see the old Casey returning but with a softer touch. Him not wanting to leave Burbank because of his family.

    Sarah and Morgan scenes always steal the episode, they have absolutely nothing in common but they try because of Chuck.

    Don’t know what to make of Vivian yet. I liked that they showed her and Chuck were similar without it being in your face. But they also showed how different they were too with her killing Boris. And I can’t be the only one who noticed she kept calling him Charles like her father. I almost think she’s what Chuck should have been when the series started, someone groomed by their parents. At least Volkoff knew that some day that her destiny would catch up to her unlike Orion. What are the odds that what she saw at the end was an incomplete Intersect?

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      JC

      I hope it isn’t another Intersect. We had enough of Intersect vs Intersect concept. What if it’s a video recording left by Volkoff for Vivian ( similar to the ones left by Orion for Chuck) encouraging her to take up the family mantle?

      • JC says:

        It could be just a recording but I can’t see how an arms dealer like Volkoff wouldn’t try and build the ultimate weapon, the Intersect. That’s why I was hoping for some kind of history between Stephen and Volkoff, that tied things together.

  27. tob says:

    Hi, all. I’ve read your blog for quite a while and I enjoy the mostly positive/constructive comments on it. I’m uncertain whether I will comment again, but my first impression of Vivian was that she was an amalgamation of both Chuck and Sarah’s characteristics. The lost, but noble/good souled reluctant hero combined with the trained/disciplined/and schooled spy. Should her motivations steer towards her Volkoff legacy in the next few episodes, I may have to retract my statement but as of right now I see her as a grown up daughter of both Chuck and Sarah.

    • Paul says:

      I think what they were going for is Vivian is a female version of Chuck who is likely going to go to the dark side.

    • joe says:

      We glad to see you join in, tob. Please feel free to comment any time.

      You’re right! There’s been more than a few who’ve commented that Vivian is like Chuck was, but she definitely has Sarah characteristics.

      And come to think of it, so does Chuck, now. They’ve been growing towards each other. I sort of like the idea that Vivian is C&S’s virtual daughter – or, maybe more like a photoshopped composite.

    • atcDave says:

      Welcome to site tob. Glad you’ve enjoyed it so far. Don’t be shy about speaking up! Your first comment already shows the sort of insight we always value here. I love the daughter thought. Even if she does go bad, she still has some of those qualities; she could be an interesting recurring character regardless of alignment. I do hope she doesn’t “go bad”; but this story looks interesting either way.

  28. kg says:

    One more concussion for Sarah and she’ll have to pass a series of tests a la Favre and Rodgers. Failure would mean getting benched for a week.

  29. First Timer says:

    We might want to brush up on The Godfather movies because I think we saw enough in this episode to spec that Fedak is indulging his own Godfather obsession.

    Let’s start with this: Vivian Volkoff is very obviously Michael Corleone. She’s the outsider of the Volkoff family drawn in to take control after the father falls because she is the supposed civilian with the impeccable credentials. As a result, I think we can expect her to be even more evil and ruthless than Dalton’s Volkoff.

    I think this angle is one of the reasons why you saw so much blood in this episode. The head shot in the car is a callback to the assassination of Pauly, who sold out Sonny. (That’s the scene that leads to Clemenza’s immortal “leave the gun, take the cannoli” line.) I think it also explains the rather splattery shooting of Boris. It’s a callback to the riddling of Sonny’s body at the toll booth.

    And I’m wondering if the Robin Givens character essentially will be Tessio. She’ll sell everyone out by proposing a “peace conference” between Vivian, who’s trying to take Volkoff Industries “legit,” and Chuck. But, of course, she’s working for Volkoff.

    Finally, of course, as we all already suspected, the final battle will take place at Chuck and Sarah’s wedding, a homage to the wedding scene in the original Godfather movie. I even have a vision of Beckman taking meetings and doing NSA business until she says, “Now if there’s nothing else, I’d like to go to my agents’ wedding now.”

    One final (non-Godfather) bit: I think they gave Boris the “your father has prepared you for this” exposition as a way to contrast the Family Volkoff from the Bartowskis. The point: Mary and Stephen Bartowski never prepared THEIR heir apparent, Chuck, to run the family business. Volkoff has, however, and at some point Vivian will throw that in Chuck’s face.

    BTW, I wonder if this arc, with Vivian as the big bad, was also set up knowing that they might not be able to get Dalton himself to return. If he comes back as the “retired” consigliere to counsel his daughter Vivian, the new don, all the better. But if not, they still get to invoke his memory…

    • Faith says:

      I’m pretty sure they’re definitely bringing him back. There are spoilers of him going to court (with a TVLine reveal of his lawyer casting) so if they are going for that…great find…they will definitely be bringing in the real deal.

      • First Timer says:

        @faith:
        I think they may have, indeed, struck a deal with Dalton. Which is all for the good, IMHO. All I was saying is that when they got the back 11 order and cooked up the arc, they were still working on the front 13 and had no idea if Dalton would be available for the second half of the season. He’s not an “under 5” desperate for the work, after all.

        So creating Vivian as the next generation of Corleone was a clever twist to keep the Volkoff angle alive even if they couldn’t get Dalton back.

    • JC says:

      I made the same point about how Orion and Mary didn’t prepare Chuck for his entrance into the spy world compared to Volkoff with Vivian. It should be interesting how that fact plays out going forward or if they ever mention it again. Maybe that’s what the Laptop was and we haven’t seen the last of it.

      • Paul says:

        I think the difference is that Frost and Orion DIDN’T WANT Chuck in the spy world, whereas Volkoff did. Chuck stumbled into his parent’s world by accident (even if he was “destined” to do it) whereas Vivian was groomed. What is going to be intersting is how they are going to contrast their decisions. Personality wise, they are the same basic person, but will Vivian go full out evil or will she have a fit of conscious?

      • JC says:

        Of course they didn’t want him in the spy world but Orion should have at least prepared him somewhat in case it happened. You can only protect your children to a certain degree before it starts hurting them. Say what you want about Volkoff but in some ways he was a better parent.

      • First Timer says:

        @paul, @jc:
        Actually, do we know that Frost/Mary didn’t want Chuck in the game? When she “took” the Intersect, it was “your father didn’t want you to see this.” And when there is Ellie-Mary dialogue in e14, she explains the family’s derring-do with, “We’re Bartowskis.”

        I don’t recall any dialogue given to the Mary/Frost character that indicated that SHE didn’t want/expect Chuck to be a spy. In fact, she has almost never been given a Mother-Son moment with Chuck. It’s always been spy-to-spy…

        Or did I forget something?

      • JC says:

        @FT

        I think you’re right about any conversation between Chuck and Mary about him being a spy. I might have been confusing Fedak’s explanation about the PSP with actual dialogue between them.

        Earlier in the season it did seem like she was proud of him being a spy but it kinda got murky as the season progressed. So at this point I don’t know for sure.

  30. totvornottotv says:

    i loved this episode it was awesome rafe and lauren are without question are the best writers on the show the opening valentines scene before the credits was so incredibly funny i laughed the whole way through whatever alex and morgan where doing was really weird.
    chuck’s pretty women reference,sarah had the same reaction to that movie i have its about a hooker i never understood others appreciation for that movie.casey using fan language and referring to morgan as their kid cracked me up along with sarah playing with the collectibles.since chuck and sarah are together yvonne has showed how good she is with comedy this season, this ep shows how little sarah and morgan have in common besides chuck it would have to be the most awkward hang in history,sarah should have offered to play video games with morgan.I loved the music cue for viv killing the assassin volkoff music like the imperial march everytime i hear the music I love it.the tutlte reveal is still one of my favorite moments in the shows history

    A side note I would like your opinions on in light of the scenes between sarah and morgan being so funny i think the show should do a hangover homage like every other
    show has where morgan,awesome,jeff,lester and casey have to look for chuck after they lose him during the bachelor party i have confidence that if kristen,chris,rafe or lauren write the episode it will be very funny. I imagine a scene where morgan has to explain to sarah that he lost chuck. phase three anyone. very funny

  31. OldDarth says:

    Solid, if somewhat lackluster – the riding scenes were rather dull, start to the next arc.

    Here’s hoping they don’t drop too many story threads along the way again.

    • atcDave says:

      My wife was getting quite excited during those riding scenes; she swears it was some of the most beautiful cinematography she’s ever seen on television.

  32. herder says:

    How many connects between Chuck in the pilot and Vivian in this episode can you find?
    1. Both have a party in their honor.

    2. Both end out hiding from that party, Chuck in his room with Morgan and Vivian in the stable with the horse.

    3. Both end out being chased by strangers with guns.

    4. Both have Sarah protecting them.

    5. Both are clueless as to their parent’s real jobs.

    6. Both have had little contact with their parents over the past few years.

    7. Both run into danger to save people.

    8. Both are somewhat aimless in life.

    Can you think of any others, in any event, quite a list of similarities, are they the same, is Vivian the evil Chuck it could go either way.

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