4.22 Chuck vs. Agent X: First Impressions

Debauchery

Is that a gun?

The jeopardy word of the day is: Debauchery. That’s right, our little PG word just got a litttle…dirtier. In Chuck fashion of course.

*Awhile back I listed among a long list of wishes: more mustaches, more accents, more PDA but in there, less conspicuous was the Bachelorette Party FTW! The idea of course was, how great would it be for Sarah’s bachelorette party to be filled with Ellie, Anna, Carina only for bad guys to invade and Sarah (unbeknownst to Ellie) has to save the day. Of course back then the idea of the bachelorette party itself was tantalizing! Well today we have the twist: Chuck will have to save the day and Casey will have to…whittle?

Then there’s Ellie’s part in today’s storyline. Can I just say I have loved the increase Ellie interaction of late? Sarah Lancaster IS Mrs. Awesome, in the truest extent of those words.

Find out more in a little less than two hours East Coast. Answer the question, “is that a gun?”

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96 Responses to 4.22 Chuck vs. Agent X: First Impressions

  1. Tamara Burks says:

    point by point comment

    Interesting timing for the Osama target. Are the Chuck writers a little psychic this week?

    They do remember this is Awesome they have planning the party , don’t they?

    Oh, so that’s how it gets to thier bachelor party weekend!

    How do the bad guys know about the Orion computer at all, I’d like to know.

    So Ellie isn’t the one who orders the strippers then! Or maybe she’s just doing a misdirect.

    You know you’ve hit weird when Jeff is happy.

    Are these real Weinerlicious girls or CIA agents?

    I thought strippers dressed as cops or fireman, not commandoes.

    Is that a gun!*snicker*

    I’ve gotta wonder if this is the ep where Chuck’s secret is finally found out by the Buymorians. Or have Lester and Big Mike snuck off the Vegas and Jeff will once again be in too much of a stupor to realize the danger he’s in.

    Jeff with magic mushrooms and truth serum in him. That could be a strange mix.

    Lester’s actually right about the danger but not why he thinks.

    Looks like Casey’s using Morgan’s magnet skills .

    Good one liner Casey!

    Chuck really needs to learn to fight women.

    Will the laptop work with a knife through it?And did they already send off all the info to Vivian?

    It’s about damn time she was told!

    Well he did say she was great at solving puzzles.

    Awesome montage! Plus Morgan’s pretty brave to stand there like that.

    It’s Riley! Or Volkoff methinks.

    I have never heard Reno called that.

    Time for the Nerd Herder skills to save the day.

    England definitely points towards Volkoff really being Tuttle. And if Vivian uses the Norseman to take out Agent X she’ll be comitting suicide. This could also explain why Mama B just didn’t kill Volkoff. He was either a friend or relative.

    Good accent!

    How do you politely look like you are trying not to drink because you are afraid of poison.

    I love the look on Casey’s face.And what he said about her being the mother he never had.

    Product Placement!

    They let Jeff drive?!

    *snort*

    Canadian rules . And Lester would know them being Canadian.

    Open the damn thing!

    I knew it!

    I wonder if Vivian will ever meet her grandmother.

    That spy will looks like one of those kitchen soap things that removes the smell of onions from your hands.

    They’re in one hell of a quandry.

  2. patty says:

    Well that was good. Obviously these 3 episodes will form 1 story.

  3. patty says:

    I think that also explains the 20 year dilema we have all been worrying about.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      True. it answers the question of why the heck she just didn’t shoot him. And it could be she didn’t tell them because she was afraid of the same thing Casey is. The CIA cleaning house and erasing them with it.

    • atcDave says:

      Agree Patty. I think a lot of stuff all clicked into place tonight.

      • Faith says:

        I think a whole bunch of questions opened up as well.

        ZL did say that it’s not going to be like Lost where there will be unanswered questions, and more questions brought up. Apart from the latter, I think the former we’ll get soon enough, and did in fact.

  4. Paul says:

    As soon as they had the house placed in England (with sheep no less) I know it was Volkoff. Someone on ChuckTV had guessed it would be Volkoff a few weeks ago. This is gonna be interesting…..

  5. Ernie Davis says:

    This is what we call the twist.

    Mary’s 20 year mission left unresolved?

    The intersect mythology dropped?

    Demand answers you want, on your timeline, and declare it a failure based on your expectations, or let them tell their story. That’s all I’m saying.

    • patty says:

      HA! beat you by 5 minutes Ernie!!!! 😀

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Touche, but welcome to the party. Let them tell their story, then decide.

    • VickyJay says:

      Ernie, do I understand that it is your assertion that the showrunners and writers plotted a season 4 that deliberately left things hanging after the first 13 episodes and that they could only be resolved if: 1) they didn’t get cancelled after Push Mix; 2) they got a back order of extra episodes; and 3) got an extraordinary number of extra episodes?

      Given that logic, are we also to assume that having Sarah work at a Weinerlicious in Season 1 was all a set-up for a bachelorette party joke at the end of Season 4?

      Moreover, are we to assume that Josh Schwartz was lying when he told reporters that he had urged Chris Fedak to put the wedding in the first 13 of the season because he didn’t want to leave any loose strands?

      I’m no expert (I’m not even an amateur), but that doesn’t sound like how television is created.

      • Rev says:

        And a wedding in the first 13 would have changed this storyline how exactly? Yes we wouldn’t have had those bachelor parties, probably, but that doesn’t mean we wouldn’t have had the agent X parts of this episode. It doesn’t mean Vivian wouldn’t have gone after the Orion computer, it wouldn’t have meant that Ellie wouldn’t have done the research. As for Volkoff I’m betting the writers did plan his character like this. A good writer characterises it’s characters on the outset of a story. To have Alexei characterised as they did was great. Besides that, we dont know how they changed the first 13, and we know that the wedding wasn’t put into the first 13 because they wanted to leave something for a new season or a second half of the season.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        VickyJay, I think it is precisely how television, or more to the point, good television is created. You may never get to tell the whole story you want and you don’t know going in to any season if there will be another, or even how many episodes you’ll get. So you adapt. With the specific Volkoff storyline I believe the backorder was announced around the time of First Fight, meaning they had probably finished production on it about a month-ish before. This leaves two possibilities. They knew the Volkoff backstory or they didn’t. Either case is impressive.

        Let’s say they had a full Agent-X story ready to go, and when they got the supersized season they decided they wanted to preserve the big twist for the climactic arc. The immediate question is how much could they change the story and how quickly? A story that seemed to be resolved at episode 13 would come back with a twist. So how much do you resolve and what questions do you leave? Well they resolved enough to be plausible, Mama B couldn’t leave because Volkoff would follow, she couldn’t complete the mission because Volkoff’s network would remain and he never trusted her enough to allow her to gain control of it, and she couldn’t shoot him and walk away because she’d be leading Volkoff’s people and their retribution to those she loved and was trying to protect. It’s enough of a story to be complete by it’s own standards. Mary got caught in a catch-22 and couldn’t get out until Chuck and Sarah changed the situation. Then comes the twist. Maybe Mary’s dedication to the mission was more than it seemed? Now we’re left with new possibilities and seeing Volkoff in a new light (and possibly with extending the Volkoff and Mary story and characters well into season 5).

        Now let’s say they didn’t have it fully planned out. In that case they’ve found an incredibly clever way to not just bring back, but to re-imagine a very popular storyline and characters. And they’ve done it without negating the mythology or the resolution they’ve already given us. It’s like The Wedding Planner, threading that needle skillfully, leaving what came before intact, yet expanding the possibilities for both the past story and the story to come immeasurably.

        In either case you have a group of incredibly clever and talented writers adapting on the fly to the realities of the medium they work in. In either case the outcome is very entertaining TV. They have created a world and characters that are fully fleshed out and three dimensional. They can grow and change and move without becoming charicatures or losing touch with who they are. We are not in season 6 and the twelfth pairing or iteration of WT/WT. Captain Awesome did not become The Fonz, and the show is not coasting. We are still getting their A-game if you ask me, and the show is still able to surprise and delight me on a regular basis.

        I don’t know if that is how most TV is made, but it’s still my Chuck, and I’m lovin’ it.

      • atcDave says:

        I don’t think it’s how most TV is made at all; but it is why Chuck is special.

      • Big Kev says:

        Ernie,
        Mea Culpa. You know I wasn’t overly impressed by either the intersectless arc or Mama B’s 20 year mission, but if they’re going to backload the exposition, this is the way to do it. Just a fantastic episode, and if you combine it with Wedding Planner, it’s the very best of Chuck. The A game, indeed.
        I actually got a spec right for the first time ever! But the elegance of the Volkoff/Orion/MamaB connection, and the way so many pieces slid into place made it very satisfying. Yeah, they may not have known about the back order when they started out on the story, but when the episode is this good, who cares?
        Some questions. If the original intersect “overrode” Winterbottom and turned him into Volkoff, where does Tuttle come from? The implication is that Hartley’s personality has been completely subsumed by Volkoff – but Tuttle’s presence suggests that the original personality is still there to be accessed?
        I’m also loving where they’re going with the whole “Team Bartowski v the CIA” story. Wonder if that’s the gamechanger for S5? Team Bartowski on the run would be fantastic! A Sarah baby, on the other hand? The shippers are gonna hate me, but I really hope they don’t go down that road.
        But this is a post talking about the awesomeness of the last 2 episodes, so enough baby talk 🙂 This is the Chuck that I love – funny, heartwarming, family based – a show that builds stories with callbacks and payoffs, with just enough drama and twists to be able to surprise you. It’s all about balance, as this show always is at its’ best. The last 2 episodes have illustrated that perfectly.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Kev, I’m going to agree with you that a Chuck and Sarah baby should be a series ender not a season. I think getting there could be fun, with Chuck and Sarah freaking out over a possibly unplanned pregnancy and how it would change their lives, but, as much comedy potential as there is in a pregnant and hormonal Sarah I think it’s been done enough and would require too many other aspects of Sarah (and Chuck) to be sacraficed. As you correctly say, it’s about finding the right balance.

      • Faith says:

        It’s not impossible, but it’s highly, highly unlikely.

        And really at the end of the day, who cares? It’s a great twist and plot direction.

      • atcDave says:

        I would also prefer they save any baby story for the end of the series.
        And I agree Big Kev that TeamB vs. CIA is a great direction to go. Too bad they’re too big of a group to really go “on the run”; but I’d be happy if some part of S5 was a continuing arc against the CIA.

    • Silvercat42 says:

      Well said, Ernie. Some fans act like spoiled brats when things don’t turn out the way they expect/want. And many if them are working, responsible adults in the real world. Then there are the fans that just want to nitpick to show how smart they are… don’t get me started.

      Anyway, tonight’s episode was excellent… almost as twisty as First Fight, although I wasn’t quite as surprised — in fact I found myself thinking, “Of course, makes sense…” Where Tuttle turning out to be Volkoff was totally out of the blue.

      Love the fact that so many loose ends were tied tonight, including Chuck hiding the Intersect and his CIA involvement from Ellie.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Well I wouldn’t say spoiled brats, but expectations can be a tricky thing if you let them get in the way of seeing the story they are telling as opposed to not seeing the story you want or expect.

      • atcDave says:

        Shaping expectations is part of the story-telling process. If your audience is getting hostile because the story is not meeting their expectations that is a story-telling malfunction as much as anything. I spent many (MANY!) years doing RPG design, which is course far more interactive than television, but there is a simple rule to remember; if your audience (gamers) are upset, its your fault!

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Dave, while I’m in general agreement we need to remember that TPTB don’t totally control expectations. I think fandoms can have both a positive and negative effect on expectations that TPTB are unable to control. At times all they can do is attempt to minimize the damage.

      • atcDave says:

        Ernie those expectations don’t pop up in a vacuum, they are a product of the story being told. Now I’m not saying every viewer wish should be promptly acceded to. Especially on a show like Chuck that is almost schizophrenic sometimes with all the different moods and styles it embraces, its inevitable that many strong opinions will come about, many will be completely contrary with each other.
        I would also say certain “pay-offs” have to be earned. If good things come too easy it sucks the fun out almost as completely as if they are thwarted too long. That balance is the key to good storytelling.
        I do believe S3 was largely the result of misreading what the audience wanted. They were likely following an old outline or set of expectations that didn’t mesh well with what was coming out on screen. It was the show runners responsibility to recognize what their audience was ready for and figure out how to meet that need. While fan forums and discussion may have inflamed certain sentiments, it DID NOT create them. If anything, those discussions need to be seen in exactly the opposite light; they are an opportunity for the writers to gauge audience reaction. There will always be more “lag” in producing a television show than there is in telling a story around a campfire (or game table!); but feedback is there and could have been far better utilized.

      • jason says:

        ernie / dave – for me, that expectations thing is true, I was not wild about some of chuck in s1/s2, but the finale in S2 along with the promo for S3 made me think I was finally going to get ‘my’ show. Not sure if there is value in determining the ‘fault’ in what transpired, but I think even the most ardent showrunner supporter would have to admit those first 12 hrs and 55 minutes of eps did not sell well ‘downtown’.

        one of the reasons I have continued to blog from my radical POV in season 4, is I thought much of the feedback I provided in S3 as a blogger has been listened to in S4 – such that I have enjoyed each and every ep to some degree or another. Then, when I ask for some positive news for 4×24, and a picture of sarah in a wedding gown shows up an hour later, it sort of scares me. Maybe my niece’s boy Chris really does monitor my posts on your site?

      • armysfc says:

        well interesting chat about feed back from blogs and message boards.

        while it’s easy to say let them tell their story (which i agree with) i think the days of “i’ll wait to see what happens” are for the most part over. just look at look around and you’ll see ton’s of examples. why are cell phones constantly advancing? people want more faster. remember the days when you had to wait till you got back home or to the office to get an email? now it’s on your phone. i posted several months ago on the same thing, we are in a “i want it now” period. there are many articles that back this up. people don’t want to wait. waiting to long to give people answers can lead to discourse on any show not just chuck. it’s a fine line they walk. by waiting to long the damage is done.

        while it’s true that boards and forums provide a good place to get information about how some fans feel about your show, it does have draw backs. i’ll take NBC’s view on this. NBC goes to a chuck blog or forum and reads every post. TBC after the note

        ****NOTE PLEASE READ****
        below is me trying to look at things from a neutral stand point not how i personally feel about this blog. it is not meant to offend the owners or people that post here.
        *****END NOTE*****

        they see a lot of very positive feedback on this season. they also see comments from the mods that state they prefer happy supportive ones than negative ones. on occasion dissenting posters are politely told they have carried on to long or on the very rare occasion told they are wrong. some times a poster gets banned. this skews the overall view of the blog. can they really trust that blog/forum as a pulse on what the fans like?

        i personally feel they do indeed read blogs and forums as a way to get feed back, but they take in the numbers of posters as well. i read several blogs/forums (not just chuck related) this one has the most regular posters averaging about 23, so YAY for you guys! that said, the numbers are infinitesimal compared to the number of viewers. the bottom line on this for me anyway, is no matter what is said good or bad on blogs/forums about any given show, it is still the show runners that make the calls based on what they want.

        i posted proof of that last week. TPTB of catsle flat out told viewers B/C would not get together this year because he did not feel the audience was ready for them to get together, despite what the shippers felt. yes he did say shippers. that one statement says volumes about what networks think about blogs/forums.

        we can scream long and loud about the virtues or faults of any given show and except in the rare instance TPTB take our views like a grain of salt.

      • atcDave says:

        Army just to be clear, THIS blog has never banned anyone. We started specifically because the NBC forum was pretty aggressive about banning people.

        I don’t think the writer’s comments about Castle in any way invalidate the value of feedback. As I was saying above there is a distinct balancing act in telling a good story. The writers cannot just grant every viewer desire; for starters, many are contrary to each other; and secondly, things do need to unfold in an appropriate and satisfying way.
        But viewer desires cannot be ignored either. The storyteller has to determine how and when certain events unfold. If they do it in a way that seems false, manipulative, or insulting viewers will get frustrated.
        I actually think the writer quoted on Castle is correct. After three seasons his characters are not quite ready yet for such a big leap. But a huge part of his job is figuring out when it DOES need to happen, and I think the answer to that will be mid-S4. But I do think its easier for us, with an example like S3 Chuck, to recognized when a major story/character issue has been botched than it often is to recognize what’s been done right.
        I don’t entirely envy the job of the show runner who has to figure out what the audience needs, wants, and will tolerate. Although, as I’ve said elsewhere, in the case of S3 Chuck, I think it took some pretty extreme cluelessness to make some of the decisions they did (do I need to reiterate here how completely satisfied I am with the direction of S4?) I think, in general, Chuck is brilliantly conceived and crafted television; but they made a colossal blunder that cannot really be justified in S3. And I say that precisely because they were ignoring very clear feedback. We were hearing quotes like “fans love the wt/wt aspect of Chuck and Sarah’s relationship”. Any reading of forums and blogs would have shown that was clearly and utterly untrue.
        The Castle situation is different. While I don’t doubt there is a core of Castle/Beckett ‘shippers who are eager for their wt/wt to end; I think most casual viewers would say they are only recently seeming like they might be ready, which indicates at least one more round of wt/wt can be expected!

      • atcDave says:

        Oh I also wanted to add that 23 regular commenters really is a pretty good number. For years most feedback was via the occasional letter from a very devoted fan and small test audiences. It was even less representative than the Nielsen system! Every comment was thought to represent the opinion of tens of thousands of viewers!
        I think with the Internet we’re seeing a lot more viewers getting their feelings out there. There is more feedback information available than ever. While I don’t doubt that may be a mixed blessing in its own right; it is an awesome tool for show runners to make use of.

  6. Amron says:

    So, this is my first time here, but I read you guys a lot before I dare to write something here. I just want to say: this episode was AWESOME! My head is still making circles about… well, everything! I mean, what does the Agent X’s identity means? Mary leaved Chuck and Ellie to take care of CIA’s mistake? Vivian said Agent X was the only man her father feared… that means Volkoff was afraid of himself? And what about the Norseman? Does that means that if Vivian activates it, she will die by her own hand? Oh, man! I JUST LOVED IT!
    Oh, and as a plus… We will see the Bartowski’s siblings on action! I can’t wait for next week!

    • sniderman says:

      Agent X was the only man Volkoff feared. If Winterbottom’s recessive personality is brought forth, Volkoff’s dominant personality “dies.” The two halves may not even be aware of each other, just that they are opposing forces.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      It could explain why she didn’t think it would take long to take down Volkoff. There might have been some sort of trigger phrase to get him out of that personality and when it didn’t work she was stuck.

    • joe says:

      Well, Hi, Amron. Welcome to the discussion.

      I know what you mean. After the first 30 minutes, I said to myself “Self, that’s the most excited I’ve been since, well, since Chuck walked into the Buy More to face down Shaw (to the sounds of Jeffster covering Blaze of Glory, no less). Great stuff!

      I have a feeling the twisting isn’t over yet. It’s still about families, and the Norseman is all about families. And boy, have we collected them. There’s Alex and Casey, Sarah and her long lost (but not forgotten) mother – my long shots. There’s the Bartowski-Awesome clan and the Walker-Bartowskis (well, that’s not genetic; just my way of showing that Sarah’s part of the family now).

      And there’s one more. You got it.

    • Faith says:

      Welcome to the blog Amron. Glad you’ve finally decided to join in on the commentaries! 🙂

  7. Tamara Burks says:

    This also makes all that Project Isis stuff on the nbc Chuck page make more sense. I was wondering why they’d put it up.

  8. andyt says:

    Hi folks, I haven’t commented in a long time, but I thought I would chime in to completely agree with Ernie. The TPTB just addressed one of the biggest issues people had from the front 13. Why didn’t Mary just kill Alexei V.? Answer her mission was to save him, not kill him. That was also why the CIA had no record, it was a rogue operation by her and Orion to correct this horrible mistake.

    Further, it also explains all of the worries that Stephen had about the Intersect program, his desire to see Chuck without an Intersect, and even I believe why Mary de-Intersected Chuck in First Fight. Also, Beckman’s statement from Season 3 (Yes I know the Seasons not to be Mentioned by some) makes sense when she said that it was the world that had to be protected from Chuck. They are tieing to so much together it is exhilirating.

    • patty says:

      Actually it goes all the way back to “Suburbs” and explains why the Fulcrum crew thought that after being intersected Charmichael would “get over” Sarah and join them.

      The Greta’s behavior is also explained, as Bently was apparently going for a kinder gentler brainwashing. They were programmed to follow orders and to put mission objectives over people. This resulted in poor descisions and a lack of creativity, such as shooting the bomb guy and advocating taking the bomb to where it would kill fewer people.

      I think the brainwashing component of the intersect was in play from the start. Which leads us to the question, why is Chuck immune? Was it the kiddie intersect?

      • ArmySFC says:

        what if chuck isn’t immune? i’ll explain, i promise no gloom and doom, lol. several folks have pointed out that the intersect affects emotions. not sure if emotions is the correct word so bear with me. the test one made volkoff real bad. the refined one made the greta’s robots.

        what if the problem was there in the original architecture of the first intersect that chuck downloaded as a kid? it was so small that orion didn’t notice it until the first full blown one he gave to volkoff? it didn’t have the same affect on chuck. it acts as a damper for some of his baser emotions, like hitting a girl or the use of guns. it could explain why for example, in the honeymooners, he suddenly stops and says i can’t hit a girl. he knows in that case that it’s ok to hit her because she is a killer but the kiddie intersect suppresses that idea. the hidden effects of the kiddie intersect kicked in and said no bad stop.

        chuck has had it for so long that the affects of it were overlooked by everyone because they didn’t change him in a noticeable way. that could be the reason the new intersects have never affected chuck. just a theory.

        on a side note since chuck likes to pay homage to movies and other things, the whole intersect changing people from good to bad sounds like the Kim Possible episode “Stop Team Go”. laughing are we? well Shego goes from bad to good, her brothers go from good to bad after getting hit with a ray. they change back at the end when the ray is reversed. sound like the affects of the intersect anyone?

      • patty says:

        I think you are right. Papa B was probably working on a way to overwrite the personality files with files that were more like his friend, which is what he told Chuck he was going to do with the files in the original intersect in Dream Job.

        Getting it so young it would have not just brainwashed him it would have molded him. He can obviously override it, as he did when he shot Shaw.

        I like this idea better than my original idea which was that Chuck and Ellie were Winterbourne’s kids and Papa B. rased them because his friend coud not. Still a little worried about that since Zac And SL look a lot like Dalton.

        The brainwashing also explains why Shaw got meaner and crazier after downloading the Ring Intersect.

  9. Judy says:

    This episode explains why in the next or last episode, the plot synopsis says something to the effect that the CIA is the biggest threat to Team Bartowski.

  10. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    1. Really enjoyed this episode and 2. I can’t wait to see it again!

    Wished the Bachelor/ette party had been funnier… but maybe that was the point.
    Ellie – quicker than Chuck – at just about everything. [ Rubics Cube!]
    Nice to see Casey back on top – can’t remember the last time he killed anyone –
    glad to see he hasn’t lost his touch.
    So – Hartley Winterbottom it is then…. I think we saw that coming – but I still like the CIA twist.
    [Well, for me, it only raises more questions about the 20 years away from her family]
    Sarah with another accent this week – I think I liked this one better than her Long Island/ New Jersey rendition.
    Seriously – I could watch a mini-series with Casey and the mother he never had!
    That ranks as some of the best Casey moments ever. Hope we get to see Mrs. Winterbottom kicking ass and takin’ names again soon!
    [Wouldn’t she be the perfect house mother for the CAT Squad?]
    I agree with one online review – that it seemed a wee bit cut and pieced together…
    but I can’t remember an episode this year – with so much of the cast all together – and really participating in the story – that was this entertaining!
    Once again – they have done a great job of ‘setting the table’ – having all the players involved and moving into place – which sets up a great next 2 weeks.
    Too bad we won’t get to see all 2 hours on the same night : (

    • Tamara Burks says:

      With Casey and Mrs. Winterbottom , it made me think of the 3rd(?) Police Academy movie Citizens on Patrol and the way Tackleberry and the old woman played by Billie Bird (I think) interacted.

  11. Katsumaro says:

    Very nice episode here. It really does sort of explain why MamaB was gone so long. I’m guessing she was doing it as a favor to her husband. The fact that PapaB and Volkoff were close friends is very cool.. and maybe it leads for Chuck and Ellie to solve this.

    My worries enter with the preview. I’m not sure what Chuck said at the end of it. Maybe ‘coming’ for ‘incoming’? I’m guessing someone was shot by a sniper or something.

    Anyway.. that’s obviously for next week. This week was really fun. Mama V (for Volkoff.. new nickname coming later I guess) was so very awesome. Also loved the scene at the start with Sarah in the tub and talking to Chuck. Oh god.. so hot. D:

  12. Tamara Burks says:

    Does anybody else want Mama Winterbottom (and how British is that name!) to set Vivian straight?

    And if Orion ruined Winterbottom’s life with good intentioned behavior and Mama W said Chuck reminded her of her son does that make Papa B kind of like the Bryce of his generation (except with better science skills) , Mama B the Sarah and will they have Mama B end up with Winterbottom once he’s himself ? That would be majorly weird or great fanfiction fodder. I’m not sure if going there would be a good thing or a bad thing. And if there is a parallel between Bryce and papa B , at least Papa B tried to help after he hurt unlike Bryce .

    • joe says:

      Didn’t you love his mother?

      Now *that*’s who Casey should have called during the hostage situation in S2’s Santa Claus. 😉

      • Tamara Burks says:

        I never thought Casey was really calling his mother in Santa Claus and since he said she was the mother he never had and not the mother I always wanted I think that should tell the ones who thought he was calling his mother that they were wrong.

        Maybe Casey was an orphan or half orphan since we don’t know about his parents.

  13. Tamara Burks says:

    And considering there’s still no info on Sarah’s mother , we NEED a fifth season NBC!

    Maybe that’s what they’ll end the cliffhanger with. Her showing up and saying why wasn’t I invited.

  14. Katsumaro says:

    Well I do like how revealing that Volkoff hasn’t always been this crazy person is a reason for why MamaB has been gone for so long. Also would like to think that when she showed Sarah that place where there were no cameras./etc, that it means that maybe she got to see PapaB every so often, or at least speak with him.

    I’m looking forward to the upcoming storytelling. I just hope we don’t lose a majorly important character, ala PapaB dying. It’d really stink. I also hope we still see the wedding, though I’m not as big on that as some are with it.

    Though I am curious.. what are the chances of the same thing that happened with Volkoff.. happening with Chuck? Making him forget everything he is? Wouldn’t that suck?

    Goodness> Thinking about all the things we’ve seen in S4, all the subtle stuff.. whether it’s from the PSPing of Chuck, to everything.. it’s so awesome.

    • Paul says:

      My guess is Volkoff is going to die, killed by Vivian, after Chuck fixes him.

      • Katsumaro says:

        That would be a rather large downer.. though if someone has to bite the dust, I hope it’s not one of Casey/Chuck/Ellie/Sarah, in any way.

        Also trying to overthink what a Season 4 to 5 cliffhanger could be. So far, all of them have been Chuck centered, obviously.. so I wonder what this one will do.

      • atcDave says:

        I’m not going to worry about it too much. We know Sarah will be hurt end of 23 or beginning of 24. But I’m pretty certain no main characters will be killed off. I’m liking the idea Timothy Dalton could be around for S5 as a good guy, that’s a serious twist.

      • Rev says:

        There is only one way we are getting the death of one of the main cast members, and that is if they have known for the last few months that we will not get a new season. After all they are all on a contract for another two seasons. So if it happens, well it shows what kind of people TPTB would be then.

      • patty says:

        Actually I am worried that Chuck will be forced to kill Vivian to save everyone else. That would be really tragic for Winterbourne as well as Chuck.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      I think there’s zero chance of that. There was a deliberate personality overlay with Winterbottom/Tuttle/Volkoff.

    • Amron says:

      I think I’m as curious as you… And I don’t think that would suck, in fact, that could be a pretty amazing cliffhanger, don’t you think? Of course, if I’m correct, I’m just going to kill NBC executives if they don’t renew the show…

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      what are the chances of the same thing that happened with Volkoff.. happening with Chuck? Making him forget everything he is? Wouldn’t that suck?

      Hey! Chuck has Sarah with him. She can bring him back from the brink if the need so arises. 🙂

  15. Katsumaro says:

    Yeah. See, if Chuck were to be retconned to the start, before all of this started.. and then the series end, I’d pretty much choose to forget the show ever existed, and I definitely don’t want to do that, so I’m hoping we get a cliffhanger that doesn’t really involve too much from S4, and only involve S5, so it leaves us wanting more, Haha.

  16. Tamara Burks says:

    I was half asleep before the ep started because the cat was in heat and kept me awake (she’s now passed out underneath my desk) on and off for days but this ep woke me up. And how perfect was the music when the house blew up.

  17. Amron says:

    I have a question that maybe was already solved but that I don’t heard well… How exactly Winterbottom become Volkoff?

    • atcDave says:

      The experimental Intersect Orion installed in 1980 apparently over-wrote his personality (cover identity became “real” identity). Which is also why Volkoff became a personal mission and obsession for the Bartowski’s; he was a friend, and his downfall was, at least partly, Orion’s fault.

  18. Katsumaro says:

    Well the Volkoff bit was just a name to him like any undercover agent would take. It’s just that the name fleshed out and changed him completely.

  19. Amron says:

    Thank you!
    Now, I’m just have to wait to the final two… Snifff!!!

  20. atcDave says:

    I think this may have been one of my favorite mythology centered episodes ever. It made sense of so much, so many little annoyances of the past, AND so many of the spoilers we’ve heard for the end of the season. Like now we know why a CIA cleaner might be after TeamB, and why Volkoff will be back as Tuttle (or “Winterbottom” anyway!) for the finale.
    The parties, especially the bachelor part, were very funny. I loved everyone’s various reactions to their situations. Sarah not having fun; Awesome planning his dream getaway (that wasn’t anyone else’s); Chuck going with the flow; Casey starting with low expectations but getting a perfect weekend; and Jeff turning out to be happy in his obliviousness!
    Has anyone noticed before that Yvonne is pretty good at accents?
    Loved the siege of the Winterbottom cottage. MamaW was a hoot!

    Have I mentioned before this is my favorite season ever?!

    • Faith says:

      Klemmer always seems to be strongest when it comes to mythology. Unfortunately even though I enjoy mythology, I find more often than not his episodes aren’t my favorites.

  21. uplink2 says:

    Really liked this epsiode. They handled the end of clueless Ellie very well. Love the tub scene, loved how all the cast was sued well and we got another Three Stooges reference!!! How can that not be a great episode!!

  22. herder says:

    Fun episode, fun, fun, fun. Morgan and Awesome the magnets, Sarah in a toilet paper dress, Casey meeting the mother he never had, Ellie finding out the truth (finally) and a bunch of sense being made of the bigger story. It says a lot when Sarah in a bubble bath is far down on the list of best scenes. I’m really looking forward to the next two episodes. Time to go back to election coverage.

  23. Tamara Burks says:

    I thought the scene with Chuck showing off with Morgan’s help was pretty cool. Morgan’s pretty trusting and brave to stand there .

    • atcDave says:

      Courage is certainly one of Morgan’s strengths!

      • Paul says:

        I love how Morgan looked like a real member of the Team when Chuck uncovered Ellie’s eyes. He DOES have a function for Team B – The Magnet!

  24. Tamara Burks says:

    It’s also pretty cool that Sarah was not all impressed by the dancers , she just was paying attention to make sure that wasn’t a gun.

    • atcDave says:

      I loved that Tamara. Sarah is NOT a party girl!

    • joe says:

      I have a question, Dave & Tamara.
      Was Sarah *ever* a party girl? I used to think so, mostly because of the way Carina talked about her.

      But maybe that was a bit misleading. Maybe it was that the group of them could party down, but I’ll bet Sarah was the most reserved. At least, in the sense that she’d be the last one to let her defenses down. She’d be the last to take an unprofessional risk, I’ll bet.

      • Amron says:

        I agree with you Joe. In fact, Sarah’s reaction remembered me Chuck’s on Vs. the Third Dimension, you know, with the two maneaters…

      • atcDave says:

        I agree with all of that Joe, I think she’s always been cautious and reserved.

      • Paul says:

        I think Sarah WAS a party girl at one time (plenty of hints dropped in previous eps most notably in Cat Squad). But she’s grown up now and doesn’t need that scene anymore. Plus the spy world crashed her party in the form of a mission and spy Sarah had to subvert party girl Sarah.

      • sd says:

        Joe you had to love the line when a party-goer tells Sarah something to the effect she was the best Weinerlicious girl

      • joe says:

        Sorry – just got back to this thread. I’m sooooo far behind!

        You’re right, SD. I thought it was a great line! Made me laugh. 😉

  25. JC says:

    Strong episode, was kinda all over the place at first but hit its stride when Chuck and Ellie came clean with each other.

    Loved the the interaction between Chuck and Ellie, its something thats been lacking S2 and to have them finally admit how messed up their family is was a long time coming. In fact I’d say the characters were all at their strongest Casey especially. That speech he gave was the way the show should do dark, it wasn’t over the top or melodramatic. Glad to see Ray Wise is still on the loose, kinda want to see a showdown with him and Alexi. Oh and Jasmine yowza.

    Jeffster and Big Mike went one scene too long, the car trip and the Fake Reno felt like filler for the episode. The mythology and Agent X reveal, not sold on it but I’ll withhold judgment until the finale.

    • Faith says:

      I second that JC, seeing Chuck and Ellie sit down and talk was definitely a sight to see. They have such warm presence together that just translates that IMO have been missed.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      I actually thought it was kind of interesting that two people on the completely opposite ends of the scale -the near perfect Awesome and the complete disaster Jeff- synch so well on what they think is the perfect bachelor party getaway. I have to wonder if Awesome would have also ended up in British Columbia while everyone else thought they were going to Reno.

      And another thought – the fact that Volkoff is actually Winterbottom means that Vivian isn’t even half-Russian . I wonder if they could use that to get her deported from Russia .

    • Tamara Burks says:

      With Big Mike he said somehow my cover story became the truth after the scene where Chuck said he nneded his computer fixing tools and Ellie said about the Intersect cover identity became real.

      • joe says:

        Not only that, Tamara. When Big Mike said that, I flashed on Chuck & Sarah’s cover romance from S1 and S2.

        All together now… Awwwww!

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I thought of the cover romance.

  26. Tamara Burks says:

    I have this vague idea that the woman playing Mrs. Winterbottom is the same one who played the innkeeper in Hot Fuzz (that Timothy Dalton was in) who was so good with a machine gun (the trivia track says she fired one in the movie Tangiers made in 1985 (though the Hot Fuzz trivia track says 1972)) . Her name is Billie Whitelaw but I can find anything crediting who played Mrs. Winterbottom in Agent X anywhere.

    • Paul says:

      Any grandma who can rock an M-60 is okay in my book!

      • Tamara Burks says:

        I just was able to clarify who played Mama Winterbottom.

        Her name is Millicent Martin. I knew I had seen her before. She played Daphne’s mother on Fraiser and guest starred as the mother of the character played by Jane leeves (who played Daphne on Fraiser).

        I think it was the artillery that made me think of Hot Fuzz.

        One interesting bit of Bond related trivia on her Wikipedia page

        Martin had her own BBC television series between 1964 and 1966, titled Mainly Millicent for the first two series, and shortened to Millicent for the third and final series. In one episode, Martin and guest-star Roger Moore performed a comedy skit in which Moore played secret agent James Bond prior to his casting in that role.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        I meant she guest starred as the mother of Jane Leeves character on Hot in Cleveland.

  27. herder says:

    The Volkov reveal was fun, when Ellie says that it was someone who went undercover and became their cover all those years ago you think either Volkov or Reilly. When you hear the house is in England you think it is likely Volkov and maybe the real name is Tuttle. As they approach the house, the sound of sheep gives it away, definitely Volkov, but still very fun. Then to follow it up with Mrs Winterbourn being Casey’s type of granny is just icing on the cake.

    • Tamara Burks says:

      Maybe his playing of Tuttle is a bit of his real personality subconciously creeping out.

      • joe says:

        Remember the M*A*S*H episode, where Hawkeye invents a fictitious hero? From the Wikipedia:

        Hawkeye and Trapper invent a fictional Captain Tuttle (based on Hawkeye’s imaginary friend from childhood), but one thing leads to another and soon everyone at the camp believes Captain Tuttle is real..

        I think Tuttle is a bit of an Homage, actually. Sort of cute!

      • ArmySFC says:

        wow twice in one day mash comes up, lol.

      • atcDave says:

        I’d totally forgotten that Joe! I’m sure that’s no coincidence.

    • Faith says:

      ” the sound of sheep gives it away”

      LOL! Was there really a sheep sound? That’s hilarious!

  28. Tamara Burks says:

    Ellie is the puzzle solver and fixes medical problems.Chuck fixes machines and creates new ones plus comes up with ingenious solutions. Both are good with people .

    Between the two of them they could either fix Hartley Winterbottom (I’ve decided I love that name) or build an artificial intelligence robot that houses all his original memories.

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