4.24 Chuck vs. The Cliffhanger: First Impressions

All But The Shouting

Blushing Bride

Mrs. Sarah Lisa Bartowski

The official promo from NBC reads:

05/16/2011 (08:00PM – 09:00PM) (Monday) : OPERATION BARTOWSKI RACES TO TAKE DOWN VIVIAN VOLKOFF AS SHE THREATENS CHUCK AND SARAH’S WEDDING – LINDA HAMILTON, LAUREN COHAN, MEKENNA MELVIN, RICHARD BURGI AND TIMOTHY DALTON GUEST STAR – Before he can kiss the bride, Chuck (Zachary Levi) must enlist his wedding party to take down Vivian Volkoff (guest star Lauren Cohan) and stop her from destroying the big day. When he turns to Alexei Volkoff (guest star Timothy Dalton) for help, the CIA sends its toughest agent, Clyde Decker (guest star Richard Burgi), to stop them. Yvonne Strahovski, Joshua Gomez, Adam Baldwin, Sarah Lancaster, Ryan McPartlin, Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay, Mark Christopher Lawrence and Bonita Friedericy also star.

The entire wedding party is in on the action, and job #1 is to save Sarah’s life. Sounds to me like a job for the Awesomes!

In the meantime, Chuck has to enlist Alexei and get by The Eraser. That’s what we know for certain. The rest is speculation, hopes and dreams!

Except we do know more, unofficially. The sneak peaks, the hints, the interviews and the spoilers also tell us it’s much more emotional than that. If Chuck has been about anything these past four seasons, it’s been about emotions, especially the one called love. But once again it looks like they must face one question dramatic question head on: Do they cross the CIA and run? How romantic is that?

As I type, I have another 2.33 hours to wait for the episode to begin, but already I know that my heart is going to break and then be restored. Naw. I won’t cry. Today. But I’ll bet I’ll be dwelling on this episode all week.

Can’t wait!

The floor is yours! Tell us your thoughts.

– joe


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486 Responses to 4.24 Chuck vs. The Cliffhanger: First Impressions

  1. alladinsgenie4u says:

    I am excited about the wedding. Looking forward to reading everyone’s impressions.

  2. herder says:

    Pretty intense first half, up there with anything they have done so far.

  3. Tamara Burks says:

    From talk of cold feet to actual cold feet.

    All right , who stole the lunatic!

    I know that guy from somewhere. I think he played the Sentinal.

    104 is not a good temp for any person.

    Beckman we never would have seen this coming in season 1.

    Cool cycle. I want one NOW!

    Love the motherly concern .

    Casey looks proud.

    I Come in Peace (Dolph Lundgren movie)

    British people name thier children that.

    Ok what did he just do and will it keep him from being helpful?

    I’m looking forward to seeing how Hartley is as a person. I’m not that fond of Bond (I’m a Q fan, love the gadgets) , thought Dalton was a deliciously evil villian but I thought Tuttle was adorable. Looks like bits of Winterbottom seeped through to Volkoff since he named his daughter an old family name (maybe that’s Mama Winterbottom’s name)

    Hartley must be so confused.

    Ouch. That’s way too much voltage.

    Allright, Casey!

    Exactly how do they take out the guard.

    He does remember that being the magnet means he distracts the bad guy , doesn’t he?

    I wonder exactly when he got those i.d. for them.At least this time his family won’t be thinking that he abandoned them (the way they would have if he’d left in Prague).

    I can understand why Hartley’s freaking out.

    OKAYYY, what is he doing?!!!

    Exactly how does a receptionist route that request? Business associate? Wanted target?

    All right the necklace actually did mean something.

    Vivian looks really confused.

    Did he say that Volkoff was his idea and he got Stephen to do it?

    Poor Casey, this must be a weird moment. The Russians are coming!Not to mention a nice callback to the Ring?

    They went evil on us for a split second.

    OK howcome Morgan is marrying them. Is he ordained in some way?

    Ilove the dress. And it definitely isn’t the same design as the one she picked out in Castle.

    Princess Bride callback!

    What was on the paper!

    He gave him the Buy More didn’t he?

    I wonder if Hartley will be able to see his mother again.

    He mentioned Shaw! He’s evil just for that alone!

    The Birth of the new Orion!

    Morgan don’t touch that!

    Holy Crap!

    Morgan is the new Intersect while Chuck ‘s has been removed and he’s apparantly got the 2.0!

  4. patty says:

    The dude who wrote the buy more bomber should get a cut.

  5. weaselone says:

    They were doing so well up until the last scene.

    I guess anyone really can upload the Intersect.

    • SWnerd says:

      I was thinking the exact same thing. I’m not sure how I feel about that. The other stuff was great though.

      • weaselone says:

        Although it will be interesting to see Beckman’s reaction if whe were to ever learn she inadvertantly gave Morgan the Intersect.

      • weaselone says:

        that should be “she” not “whe”

      • SWnerd says:

        Her fiery red hair may actually burst into flames.

      • Lola says:

        I thought the same thing… the episode was amazing right until the last 40 seconds… They should’ve cut it there. pls?
        I don’t know how I feel about Morgan intersected… but my initial reaction was: a big no no.

        I feel that they shifted the center of the story to a secondary character. Its like Louise Lane with superpowers or Robin as the batecave lord… I don’t know. The balance of the force must be restore!!! jejeje.

        People with more knowlege of comics that me if that works 🙂

        Anyway… I need some chear up because of that, now I don’t have all that anticipation for s5.

    • Paul says:

      Well they can NOW that Ellie fixed it….

      • joe says:

        That may be the big problem to solve for S5. How do they stop the CIA from becoming that army of Intersects that Fulcum wanted to be (remember? Those “agents of tomorrow”)?

        Between that and the big conspiracy that’s been controlling all their lives (and Stephen’s and Hartley’s) forever, well… that’s in the realm of S5 speculation and this is supposed to be a “reactions” thread. But wow, is it hard not to speculate!

      • weaselone says:

        That’s sort of the real issue. Once anyone can be Intersected, there really isn’t a barrier to everyone being Intersected.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        Maybe it’s because Morgan and Chuck basically are really that close that they share similar brain patterns. Or maybe after Chuck downloaded the Intersect as a child he snuck back in that room with Morgan and showed him the neat computer and gave him a Intersect framework as well.

      • Chuck604 says:

        Question, when Chuck fixed his father’s laptop with all the data, after that agent stabbed the computer with the knife, was it a permanent repair or temporary one because I can’t remember. I thought it was a temporary fix so if the computer is gone doesn’t that mean all the intersect data is eliminated considering Tuttle/Alexei blew up Stephen B’s hidden lair?

      • thinkling says:

        I thought it was a permanent fix. I think the laptop will come back with more info to help them find the evil puppet master that turned their lives upside down.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        I can just imagine – FEDAK – creating another Bartowski family flashback… with a young Morgan Grimes trying to play his computer game – on Mr. Bartowski’s fancy computer…. Flash, Bang – Bang – Boom…. Morgan got a partial intersect as a kid – but for some reason – it really didn’t “load” or install properly…
        but basically he’s been ‘formatted’ to accept the intersect program…

    • joe says:

      I thought it was a cute ending. I also have no doubt that about five minutes into season 5, Morgan will no longer be the Intersect.

      Well, maybe ten. He’s going to want to have a good time with it for awhile. 😉

      • weaselone says:

        Some people simply shouldn’t have an Intersect. Casey and Morgan are good examples.

      • patty says:

        Oh come on Joe! let him keep it at least an episode or two!!

        Actually now everyone can sneak around not telling Alex about the secret rogue spies if Morgan is the intersect. They really like the sneaking around bit.

        I like the idea of rich Chuck taking on the evil shadow conspiracy in the govt! If I had a billion dollars I would just travel a lot. I hope they don’t make him rejoin in episode 1.

      • Chuck604 says:

        I hope that is the case Joe. But it will be interesting to see if how they once again restore the Intersect back into Chuck. But I thought the episode did a good job overall to conclude the series, of course now that there is one more season, I’m really interested to see how events will unfold and conclude themselves in the final 13 episodes.

      • jason says:

        @joe – this article describes season 5 from fedak more than the sepinwall article did, it appears morgan is now the intersect, but more than that, the words really make season 5 sound exciting, wow:


      • atcDave says:

        That is a good interview Jason. A lot to be excited for. So it seems Chuck will NOT be getting the Intersect back. Which is fine by me, I’m just not sure about Morgan having it instead! But I am very excited for S5 (like I wasn’t before…)

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Well to be fair Dave we don’t know how that will play out. The season isn’t written yet, so we really only know where they’ll start from. I can imagine a few storylines where Chuck is tempted to re-intersect, and may even go through with it. As for Morgan, well even Chuck managed to lose the intersect on a regular basis, I can see Morgan having a few teething pains.

      • atcDave says:

        Not sure what the “to be fair” is reference to Ernie but I agree entirely with what you wrote. McNeill’s interview seemed pretty clear that Morgan’s shortcomings as the Intersect would be a major part of the story. I think that can be a lot of fun. My only reservation is if he gets too much more screen time at the expense of the leads.

    • kg says:

      Agreed. Other than that a virtually perfect episode. It really all could have ended tonight and I would have been satisfied.

      Decker really is a douche.

      • thinkling says:

        I’m open to the new plans for Morgan.

        After all he did call a douche a douche. I’m really pumped for S5. This finale would have been a satisfying one, but I’m so glad we get a season of married Chuck and Sarah and TeamB against the world, literally.

  6. sniderman says:

    The freelance spies angle that we thought THIS season was gonna be is now underway in Season 5. Cool.

    Chuck is a billionaire now and apparently the new Orion. But he’s now Intersect-less. And Morgan is now the new Intersect 2.0. Whoof.

    And the Big Bad for Season 5? Apparently the CIA and the conspiracy it’s been working for the previous four seasons. Zounds.

    • joe says:

      The freelance spies angle that we thought THIS season was gonna be is now underway in Season 5. Cool.

      Exactly what I was thinking, Sniderman. This sounds very much like what I was speculating at the start of S4, with TeamB in the Orion Cave.

  7. sd says:

    Great episode! I really loved the practice vows…very sweet.

    Morgan the intersect.

    S5 is actually going to be a whole new show by the same name. In fact, it may just be the show it should have become in S4 if only….

  8. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    so that was….. hmmm… TOTALLY WICKED!
    Could most probably be my mostest bestest favoritest Episode of Chuck in a long long time!

  9. atcDave says:

    That was a lot of fun. Its no secret I prefer a lot more Sarah in an episode, but this was expected tonight and I’m pretty satisfied with how things played out. I think they should have done more wedding/reception stuff, but with time running out in the episode it was pretty obvious they weren’t going to.
    I like most of the set-up for next season.
    Wondering though…
    Will people know Chuck is the owner of Buy More and Volkoff Industries? (I’m thinking VI will simply disappear).
    Will Chuck be without the Intersect or will Ellie restore full or partial function?
    will Decker be the main villain for S5?
    Will Beckman return in any capacity?

    I’m seriously excited for S5 now. And it looks like they really are going the Thin Man route. Too cool.

    • Paul says:

      I think VI was dissolved when Vivian and Hartley went off grid. Likely sold off the assets and gave it to C/S.

      • atcDave says:

        Paul I think that’s a completely reasonable spec. We will probably never hear of VI again.

        I forgot to ask; will Morgan be the Intersect for all of S5 or will this be a temporary situation?
        I’m thinking things may go on like this for a while.

      • Chuck604 says:

        I think they’ll return the Intersect back to Chuck, I’m speculating within the first episode, but not before Morgan gets to have a little fun with it. But I’m interested to see if they will go down the path where Chuck will eventually become a spy that has no need for the Intersect.

    • andyt says:

      Hello all,

      Dave, Fedak said in interview that Morgan would have the Intersect next season for all of the season. He is going to be like Chuck in Season 1. Also, it is clear that they are going to tie up all of the seasons, the villians and heroes in one big mythological storyline.

      • atcDave says:

        Okay, well, we’ll see I guess.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        And how is Alex not wanting him to be in danger and him promising to be an analyst going to play into that? Sure he’ll be able to defend himself but it will still be dangerous.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        I can’t remember exactly what ep it was but Beckman and Graham were looking at video of Chuck and Morgan horsing around playing bull and matador and Beckman said something like at least it wasn’t that other idiot who got it.Maybe that’s where they got the idea for this.

      • thinkling says:

        Right, Tamara. That was Helicopter.

        Whatever the conspiracy is … I think both Graham and Beckman were pawns, too.

    • patty says:

      I think Beckman will feed them inside info. She is like Casey, a patriot, and I can’t believe she likes this dude, or his friends.

    • thinkling says:

      I sort of hope the new owner of the Buymore will be a mystery man. That would be a good running story for the Buymorons to worry with.

      I also think VI was sold off and the proceeds given to Chuck and Sarah.

      I’d love it if the Intersect stuff is just embedded in Chuck so he doesn’t have to Kung-fu flash. It would be good for him to have an Intel Intersect, though. Ellie will be their vehicle to do whatever they want the Intersect to do.

      Decker would make a great bad guy. But the top big bad … don’t know if I want it to be Graham or not. And I agree that GB will be their inside woman.

      I’m really looking forward to S5!! I’m not even mad about the Buymore, especially if they keep the owner a mystery. It looks like Chuck, Intersect or not, is confident … another level of growth. Very cool!

      • atcDave says:

        But in the end, Chuck as the “secret” owner of the Buy More has to come out, like maybe in 5.13.

        I was hoping to see some sign of embedded abilities after Chuck was de-Intersected, but they really gave us nothing to go on. As I was saying the other day, I’m not so nuts about the combat part of the Intersect anyway, but I really wonder what Chuck will look like as a spy now if he doesn’t have it at all. I like Chuck as the mastermind, while Sarah and Casey are muscle (and yeah, they both are a lot more than just muscle), and Morgan is sort of a wild card. What we don’t know yet is what physical capabilities Chuck might have, or just what the heck Morgan the wild card is going to look like.

        I am really excited for S5!

      • sniderman says:

        I think we did. Chuck parachuted in without the Intersect, quite adeptly and on-target. I’ll bet de-intersected Chuck has all kinds of latent “I’ve done this so much, I don’t need the Intersect to be half-way competent” skills.

      • thinkling says:

        I don’t care if Chuck can do all the wild stuff from the Intersect, but I would like him to be able to defend himself at least as well as a woman who has taken a defense class at the Y. I’d like to think the basics are still in there, if he trains to bring them out.

        Good point Sniderman. I was excited about the parachute and all the rest of Chuck unplugged. He was a great hero. He parachuted in First Fight, and I don’t think he had time to flash then. Of course, in First Fight he screamed all the way down. This time he was quite the pro. Very cool.

        I would love it if Jeffster kept trying to find out who the new owner was, so they could do a little ingratiating. Then maybe find out it’s Sarah, or even find out it’s Chuck, on their own. It would be fun to watch their shock and their attitude change. I’m guessing that their names are not listed outright … maybe a company, that the Bartowski’s own … my guess Orion Enterprises. 😉

      • atcDave says:

        I can see the BuyMoron’s search for their owners to be an on going “C” plot. What a hoot when they figure it out!

      • Tamara Burks says:

        My theory , and I really hope I’m right, is that since Ellie changed the way information is accessed in the Intersect that Chuck now is able to do anything he did after reintersecting with the Ellie altered Intersect..

        Remember she said the information was previously like a computer program where it had to be loaded each time. She solved the way the information was accessed and made it more like true memory. And the skills taught to Chuck’s memory since he downloaded the latest intersect will still be in his regular memory.

        The first time he is able to fight using this will probably surprise the heck out of him. It will be an instinctive reaction just like the way Sarah reacted to Riggs in FOD when he asked her about a certain training.

        Plus there’s the fact that Chuck is still smart, his father said Chuck was a better engineer than him and Casey said he was the second best spy he knew and Casey doesn’t hand out compliments lightly and I don’t think he was talking about the Intersect.

      • thinkling says:

        That’s one of my hopes, Tamara … that Ellie stored the data in such a way that it’s still there, like real memory. Some of the crazy stuff would disappear, but the basics would remain as natural skills.

  10. Tamara Burks says:

    I just had a thought. Since Ellie fixed the Way the Intersect processes things , it could be that everything that Chuck did after the fix is a skill he will still be able to access even without the Intersect.

    And also since the Eraser said that Beckman left his personal effects there and they included the glasses was she trying to give him the Intersect? And if they are using the same power as the ones Bryce gave him for an update , ar they one use only?

    • ArmySFC says:

      there was a note on a yellow sticky that said to chuck from beckman i think.

    • weaselone says:

      Beckman was almost certainly trying to give Chuck back the Intersect.

      One thing I’d like to note is that this shifts the entire plot of the show in a direction I had suggested before. Team Chuck needs a real enemy and the best enemy they’ve ever had was the US government. It looks like that’s the direction they are going next season with Chuck vs. at least some official CIA faction.

  11. uplink2 says:

    I really liked this episode a lot. Probably the most action and emotion of any season finale yet. I am so happy that the wedding was real and loved the jump back and forth with the vows from the practice to the real.

    Some thoughts also that come out of it.

    Morgan being Intersected popped into my head earlier today and no I did not see the spoiler leaked today. I think this leads to some great possibilities for fun. Plus that way he can be protected in the spy world because for Alex’s sake and Casey’s.

    Chuck being de-intersected means that at the series finale they can really have the “normal” life they dreamed of in relative safety.

    Fedak says Beckman WILL be a part of the show next season. Maybe she coordinates with them.

    Love the freelance spy team. That really makes for some great possibilities and for Chuck really becoming Orion.

    One thing has me really curious. When Decker talks about it all being part of the plan he specifically mentions Shaw. Does that mean that even 3.0 Shaw was part of the evil plan or just 3.5 Shaw? Its a way of getting around some of the hatred if they bring him back, much like a lot of FF in that Shaw was always evil and the Shaw/Sarah relationship was part of the plan to destroy Team B from the beginning.

    All in all this may be my favorite season finale. The Cliffhanger I’d give a 6 but I’m ok with how the story is being set up for next season.

    • atcDave says:

      I agree with most of this Uplink. I’m still ambivalent towards Morgan the Intersect but other than that I’m pretty completely satisfied.

      You rated it a 6, but out of what? I’ll give the episode a 7 out of 10, and say the hook for next season is BY FAR my favorite yet. This was such a strong season with so many wonderful moments and episodes, so the bar was set pretty high going in. Given that we had heard a lot of unpleasant sounding spoilers, and there was not enough Sarah in this episode; I’d say it was about as good as it could possibly be. All story lines were satisfactorily resolved and they left us with some excellent hooks for S5.

      • thinkling says:

        Totally agree … spectacular, wonderful episode. Great hook for next year (or three, imo).

        I still think the promotion was poorly handled, but WOW … what a great episode.

      • atcDave says:

        Don’t get me started on the promotion again…

    • Tamara Burks says:

      The Sham relationship being part of a plan by Shaw to either destroy Team B (if he’s evil) or to isolate Chuck to make him a better weapon against the Ring(if he’s just a douchebag) is something that actually made sense to me.

      Sarah looks bad for falling for it still but at least with that you can imagine that off camera when they were alone he was doing something that made him appealing and trying to do it very hard to fool her.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        And with the manipulation route by Shaw you can always add in the possibility of him having her psych profile and using it against her .

      • uplink2 says:

        After all he told us he read her file. Its amazign how much FF is based on this very same idea.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        With that plotbunny it makes her less culpable and him actually more capable a villian or semi good guy if he was able to psychologically manipulate her into the behavior she was exhibiting. Especially if he was slipping her any drugs at all that made her more compliant and a rush of endorphins from Chuck’s rescue of Shaw negated the effect enough to get her to pack to join Chuck.

        One of the reasons Sarah seemed like she was loosing iq points for falling for his crap was that he was extrememly incompetant for a supposed super spy.

      • Paul says:

        I don’t see the Shaw and Sarah relationship as something that was set up through conspiracy, only a “happy accident” as far as teh schemers are concerned. They knew that Sarah killed Eve. Their plan was always to get Shaw to turn. That he was involved with a member of Team B was simply a bonus.

      • thinkling says:

        I always figured part of his objective was to use the C/S relationship to get Chuck functioning and then to destroy it, so he could be “the weapon they always dreamed of.” The CIA project runners wanted an Intersect who was a one-man weapon, not someone dependent on a partner of any sort. So, yeah, it was part of his plan, in my mind anyway. Sarah’s fears just made it easy for him.

    • uplink2 says:

      Well I’m only talking about the Morgan Intersect. That was a 6 but the rest of the episode was a 9.5. So much great action and the wedding was beautiful. Sarah’s practice vows were “perfect”.

      But the part of the last scene that most intrigues me was the mention of Shaw. If that was part of the plan from the beginning it makes more sense even though as Tamara points out it doesn’t really make Sarah look that good for falling for it but we can maybe accept she was still emotionally imature and naive back then. But it COULD resurrect the Shaw character more easily if the chose to go that route.

      • atcDave says:

        I still hope they don’t bring Shaw back. But at least we’re past the point where it would anger me if they did. I’m pretty willing to just give them whatever leeway they want for now. Excellent ending to an excellent season.

      • uplink2 says:

        Dave I don’t think they will but I just found it very curious that they mentioned him specifically when everyone else was just The Ring, Fulcrum etc.

        As I said above it is amazing how much FF is based on this very idea that he was planning it from the very beginning.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I agree about the ff Uplink. I think it partially redeems a pretty awful decision by Sarah. Of course if Sarah had denied anything happened way back in the interview in Living Dead it would have fixed it even better.

        But let’s not bicker over who killed who… This is supposed to be a happy occasion.

      • herder says:

        I think that they are going to do something about the Shaw story, not necessarily bring him back though. Fedak mentioned Brandon Routh as a villain in his interview with Sepinwall about season 5. These are the first two times that we have heard those names pass the lips of any character or show runner this year, I don’t think it is a coincidence. Personnaly I put him down as a part of Graham’s evil plan. And yes at the end I think that it will be Graham who is the bad guy and that he is only mostly dead.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        I called Graham as a scumbag for the way he recruited Sarah. There were probably laws against approaching teenagers to join the CIA.

      • atcDave says:

        I would guess CIA recruitment is similar to the military, so high school recruiting probably IS legal BUT, the CIA generally wants more complicated skill sets and likely focuses most of their recruiting on college campuses.

        So my guess would be that Sarah could have signed a legal contract with them at 18 if they thought she was an extraordinary prospect.

        But I do agree Graham would be a wonderful big bad; I wonder if they can get Tony Todd back?

    • patty says:

      Shaw was manipulated by the bad guys. His wife was killed and the Ring was implicated to get him to work for the CIA. Then when it suited their purposes they had him work for the Ring. They probably wanted Chuck to work for them and tried to manipulate him too, but he is harder to manipulate than Shaw.

      I think they are running both sides of the war, like Palpatine in the Star Wars prequels.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        Sigh…. even after everything that has gone on throughout the entire Season 4… including [ and most of all] 4.24 – which was really great …. you guys still wanna rehash the whole Seaon 3 Shaw thing????? – seriously, you wanna go there still????

      • atcDave says:

        Absolutely. You’ll notice we’ve also been discussing Graham and both Volkoffs.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        It was Graham’s order that led to Eve Shaw’s death which led to Papa B’s death which is why Chuck and Ellie don’t have both parents at the same time not to mention he’s the one who arrested Jack Burton and recruited Sarah at far too young an age.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        I don’t mind the discussion regarding the value – or plot points revealed in S3… but I grow weary of hashing and rehashing how much we all hate Shaw – and Sam, and, and, and, and…. zzzzzzz.
        Now – if you wanna dissect the show to look for connections and links back to Langstan Graham – well, now you’re on to something…. Someone has been the Puppet Master behind the scenes.
        I’m really hoping that they can bring Stephen Bartowski back for some flashback sequences. We know he was working with Hartley – but who else had their code name on those boxes?
        Who else might have been a partner in all this scientific spy business…. We know of Roark, and Hartley, the guy who got shot back in Season 2 when Chuck was looking for Orion, and a way to remove the Intersect [ Star Trek Doc fellow at Constellation labs]…. I wish they had opened that door a little sooner – or a little wider. Yes, most certainly, the events and adventures of Charles Bartowski has not been a random series of happenstance…. everything happens for a reason.
        [ sadly, even if the reason is buget cuts, or they run out of time]

      • patty says:

        I have always thought Graham was a bad guy, he was too enthusiastic about killing Chuck. (Beckman seemed to view it as an unfortunate necessity.) I can’t see how they could bring him back, I mean he was blown up pretty much on screen. Didn’t Casey say something like you would need tweezers? This is not the same as bringing back Bryce or Shaw (or even Papa B) who were just shot!

        Maybe the evil bad guys are holding the revived Papa B and Bryce where ever they were planning to take Hartley!

      • joe says:

        I’m going to be fascinated by any Langston Graham stuff. I wish they hadn’t blown him away so definitively, because that means if we see Tony Todd at all, it’ll only be in flashbacks.

        Graham is an incredible character. What we saw, especially his near instant appreciation of young Sarah, told us off the bat that he’s supposed to be one of the good guys. But slowly our understanding of the CIA, their intentions and HIS intentions became more than cloudy. Beckman kept returning the CIA to the honest-if-heartless-and-ruthless side of things, but a doubt always remained, and it’s easy to point to Graham as the progenitor of that legacy.

        Of course, we have only one clue given us in the past three seasons, and that was from Beckman about Sarah’s red test. Talk about cryptic! The operative words still have to be “trust no one.”

    • Chuck604 says:

      Interesting post Uplink, but one question. What does FF mean?

      • uplink2 says:

        Fan Fiction. Much of the Season 3 Fan Fiction stories revolve around Shaw being evil from the beginning and planning to use what was in Sarah’s file to break the bond between her and Chuck to try and get the Intersect to work for The Ring all along. Some even have him drugging her to make her more vulnerable to his plan. Its an interesting theory that can both make the relationship between Sarah and Shaw more understandable and let Sarah off the hook for her ridiculous actions at times.

      • Chuck604 says:

        Thanks for clarifying Uplink2 what FF means. Yeah Sarah’s behavior in the third season was really inconsistent from her previous actions toward Chuck so I guess people will want to find a rational explanation. But enough of that can’t wait till the next season.

    • kg says:

      The episode was so emotional, action-packed but yet free flowing. Very little or any seemed forced. The time raced by. It seemed like everything unfolded in about 20 minutes. Couldn’t believe a whole hour elapsed.

      Sarah’s carefully crafted and heart-felt vows. Her understanding, acception and reception of Chuck as a gift was simple and brilliant.

      All the stuff we had talked about. Longing for a life and relationship beyond the next mission. Learning and loving and sharing. And most importantly after realizing that’s what she wanted, the acknowledgement she was worthy of the gift.

      Articulating how she would spend the rest of her live honoring, preserving and protecting the gift. And then reciting this stuff in front of people in a church. Look how far Sarah has come. From telling Chuck he was her home and live to in essence, telling him he was a gift from above.

      It was been most obvious what Chuck means to Sarah since Phase Three, but this was wonderfully special. I got misty eyed. No doubt.

      Chuck’s vows were aptly impromptu, but as we saw from the practice scenes Sarah was expecting and trusting he would come through. And that was the essence of his message. He put her on the pedastal in which he so often does and intimated how in his mind he can never live up or compare, but she can always count on him. And that’s what we saw unfold. He dropped the whiny, self-doubting, insecure Bartowski (except for one instance but Casey pulled him up) on the floor and with undying determination, resolve, confidence and love saved the life of his dream girl.

      He led his team, overcame obstacles and cleaned up some past injustices – namely the astrosities inflicted upon the Winterbottom family. We’ve come to learn that Chuck’s brilliance wasn’t merely about his intelligence and apptitude for the subliminal images and intersect. His true talent is his general regard for people and humanity. Something the Decker’s of the world will never comprehend. This is why Chuck continues to receive help and support from the unlikliest of sources.

  12. Tamara Burks says:

    In going over the wedding scene, I think I saw Skip Johnson (the kid with the fro) taping the wedding and sporting a beard.

  13. RAY says:

    This was a great Episode .

    Whoever thought up the idea of Morgin as a good fit for the intersect should be shot!!!
    How many people are going to tune in every week to watch MORGIN???
    The name of the show is CHUCK!! NOT MORGAN..

    The only way this might work is if Morgan’s inferior brain cannot hold onto the intersect and he winds up in a coma for the rest of the next season.

    Chuck and Elly and his mom create V3.0 of the intersect using all the data that they now have access to through Volkoff Industries. Chucks Mom is now the Face of
    Volkoff Industries.
    Will Sara and Casy reach out to all there friends to staff there new private army??

    Who will be Morgans handlers now???

    I hope you get all these questions answered or this show be DEAD /DNR.

  14. Bill says:

    So what was with the funeral? And what about the speculation that someone was going to die? Was that meant to be Volkoff when he lost the intersect?

  15. Silvercat42 says:

    Wow. (I’ve said that about other episodes but this is probably the wow-iest for me). I do wish they would have explained how Morgan ended up presiding over the wedding (maybe he bought a Universal Church ordination like a friend of mine). But no big deal. Quite a payoff episode that tied up loose ends and launched the next phase of Chuck. Glad we’re getting a Season 5!!!

  16. Ernie Davis says:

    Cool. 😀

  17. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    I loved the Princes Bride reference!!!!
    I only how we get to see Chuck – as the dread pirate “Volkoff”!

    ~ and how much of Season 4 was TPTB say’n ” As you Wish…” to the fans?
    Did I mention that I love this show?

    • Chuck604 says:


      Was the Princess Bride reference the “As you wish..” because that’s the only reference that comes to mind.

  18. herder says:

    I got a big kick over the Ronald Reagan references, Hartley comes back after 30 years and sees Casey’s picture of Reagan on the wall, “is he still in charge?”. Casey’s time warp confuses time warped Winterbottom.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Now it can be revealed. The Dos Equis Man is Morgan’s father and has been planning this all along.

  20. Tamara Burks says:

    In the Buy More scene Chuck looks around and guess what’s missing. All the Stepford spies!

    I wonder if my evil plot bunny where Jeffster is pressed into service will occur . They proved they could follow around real spies pretty well in American hero.

  21. jason says:

    Serious Chuck’s not my cup of tea, as many of you know, but still, ok, it didn’t screw anything up too much & it was kind of nice – a top 76 episode of chuck for sure, probably a little higher even so don’t freak out!

    The wedding got a few minutes – more than I expected, I mean almost as much time as when morgan went thru the laser lights in push mix which was nearly as exciting, the wedding was real, and it was nicely done – bravo.

    I thought the Volkov exit strategy was some of the better writing of the night, casey giving chuck the new ident’s, then chuck bartering them to viv and hartley … nice

    I also loved making chuck and sarah billionaires – who says nice guys finish last?

    I quickly skimmed the speinwall – fedak interview – I think morgan is the new intersect for the season 5, the return to roots is a hapless dude with intersect skills having 3 spy vets to guide him around instead of 2 – the show could do worse – I guess.

    • jason says:

      I did a rewatch early this am when I woke up, I have redone my top list at least twice this season, I must confess, when I called the cliffhanger top 76 I was buying time, my new list is a top two, #1 honeymooners, #2 cliffhangers ….

      I loved the wedding planner ep, but I think gary cole’s delorean will always be that episode that made me realize how much I could love the show, just as the pilot made me realize how much I liked the show, and phase 3, balcony, and push mix restored my faith in the show, but on rewatch, the cliffhanger just blew me away, the way only one other ep, honeymooners did.

      • Faith says:

        Really? High praise indeed!

        I absolutely agree about Delorean, definitely an underrated episode in my book.

      • jason says:

        faith, my rewatch caught me off guard, just how much I enjoyed – I thought I would throw out that ranking to see if anyone else had the same notion – I guess not?

        I would have been quite content to leave the show with that as a final – chuck and sarah as a worldly billionaire super couple running a rogue spy business, casey seemingly very content at being casey as their advisor, friend, muscle, and finally morgan being morgan – I’m sorry, but who cares about the intersect in morgan, whatever he was going to do was going to be bizarre and have potential to ruin things, that is what he does?

      • thinkling says:

        Jason, I am totally with you. I’m sort of unable to process a favorite … I love so many … but Cliff Hanger is a near perfect episode to me. I always like more actual Chuck and Sarah together, but what a fantastic episode. Even with Sarah in a coma and Chuck globetrotting to save her, it was an incredibly romantic episode. It was a great family episode. A great action episode. Chuck as a hero with and without the Intersect. The wedding footage (and the dry run) alone shoots it to the top. Has Sarah ever looked happier?

        It would have been a worthy series finale, but I’m super glad it wasn’t. Can’t wait for #5.

        You are not alone.

  22. Rick Holy says:

    Um. One thought. If they can make Morgan the Intersect with a pair of sunglasses – then why not just make more pairs of sunglasses??? Then you can make Casey and Sarah and Chuck Intersects, too. It would seem to me that if Morgan REMAINS “Intersected” (which I don’t think SHOULD be possible – see comments below) that they would need to try to keep that a secret from the CIA. Otherwise the CIA just makes “everyone” Intersects since apparently “anyone’s” brain can now handle it.

    And if they DO keep Morgan as the Intersect (personally not keen on the idea), they better make damn sure he wears a governor – otherwise that whole governer thing will have been a crock.

    Pesonally I loved the episode – and loved the idea of them being “free lance” spies with unlimited resources. Just not diggin’ the whole Morgan as Intersect thing – AT ALL. Hope it only lasts an episode or two. Like others have mentioned, I thought the whole point of Chuck being the Intersect was that his brain was special and could accomodate it. That’s what made Chuck such an asset.

    And wasn’t the whole “Vs. the Suburb” thing that Sarah’s brain was going to “melt” when Fulcrum downloaded the Intersect into her???

    Again, loved the episode – until the Morgan/Intersect end. It just makes too much of the past regarding the Intersect just seem disregarded. Just sayin.

    • armysfc says:

      he has it for the season, read fedaks interview. of course depending on reactions that could change.

      • Rick Holy says:

        Then it makes a farce out of the whole Chuck as Intersect thing. What a way to end the show. Make a mockery of its central premise – the not just “any” everyman, but this one particular SPECIAL everyman has the ability to be the Intersect. Oh, well. Don’t have to worry about the drop off in viewers that has been taking place anymore. We know what we’re getting – and how much of it we’ll get.

      • jason says:

        @rick – I don’t particularly like morgan, and I thought he was way over-used in season 4, but after I read the insidetv article, I became excited for season 5, I think chuck is going to become sarah for morgan, while morgan is going to be ‘max’ for chuck and sarah’s hart to hart, that would make it seem like casey as the odd man out, but it seemed to me that casey has sort of evolved into the ‘oracle’ or even ‘orion’ character, the all knowing sage – we’ll see, but I think it could work, and heck, as long as chuck and sarah are hart to hart’ish or thin man’ish, everything else will sort itself out – won’t it?

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        It might not make a farce out of the Intersect – if we see the Rogue Team B – trying to intercept or destroy all the technology so the CIA can’t make that spy army.
        That would really put them, and everyone they know in very real danger.
        Originally it was the CIA against Fulcrum and then the Ring – but now its the Bartowskis vs the CIA [ I hope].

        Along with those Intersect glasses – there’s still the Orion Laptop someplace? [ Did Chuck make a backup?]
        There is still the Norseman device?
        What else did Volkoff Industries have in storage, or development? ~ well, the show never lacks for gagets or gismos that pop up at the most convenient times : )

      • Katsumaro says:

        Still amazes me at how many people can somehow see the future of Season 5 and how it’ll all work out based on this so called ‘farce’ of the Intersect. Can you folks gimme some spoilers maybe? 😮 I’d love to see how it all turns out. (That’s sarcasm by the way.)

        As far as Chuck being special.. he did have the Intersect all to himself for a long time, but years passed. Does that mean the other people creating other ‘intersects’ couldn’t alter it? Change it? Oh.. crap. They did! Old Spice guy and what’sherface.. Shaw from Season 3.. they may not be exact models of Chuck’s 2.0, but they were still Intersects. Give people enough time and they’ll figure out how to recreate an idea without ‘melting people’s brains’ or are we supposed to be on a “Chuck can be the only one to have an intersect, or it’s a farce!” That’s silly. I do agree on the Governor watch.

        Don’t mean to come across as..snappy, but I’ve seen the same complaint more times than I can count. Opinions are just that.. opinions, but I just feel like people aren’t exactly giving the idea a fair chance. The ‘Chuck’ fandom is becoming the most unbearable fandom I’ve seen in a long time. We can’t always get what we want. Can’t we be happy that we got a Season 5? =[ Starting to seriously consider avoiding social networks/forums that have to do with Chuck so I can avoid this stuff and not jump aboard the ‘let’s everyone overreact and flip out’ train.

      • Rick Holy says:

        Let’s be up front. The thing that has always been talked about concerning CHUCK is it’s “passionate” fan base. And not to steal and alter a line from Forrest Gump, but “Passion is as passion does.” OF COURSE the fans are going to be opinionated – one way or the other. If we weren’t so invested in this show, we wouldn’t give a s*it and would have joined the millions (YES, millions) of fans who have bolted over the past seasons.

        On this blog I think you see the whole range of responses, from “ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT” to “Meh” to “Oh, No!” And that’s what makes it interesting (and fun). If this was merely a cheerleader site (and believe me, anyone who knows me where I live knows I am the biggest frickin’ CHUCK cheerleader in town) it would get BORING.

        To me this is almost like a family – and we express our viewpoints, counter each other from time to time, agree with each other (I think the majority of the time) and debate/discuss everything in between.

        Hate to play the “religion card” here, but it IS my life, so I’ll use it as an analogy. Protestants and Catholics. There’s WAY more that unites us than divides us. But it’s those things upon which we differ that make for the most interesting and heart-felt discussions. The same with Chuck.

        As I’ve quoted more than once on TVBTN, from the 70’s song (by I believe Dave Mason), “There ain’t no good guys, there ain’t no bad guys, there’s only you and me and we just disagree.” [Some of the time!!!!].

        I voice my kudos and I also voice my concerns, but even when I voice a concern, I am STILL behind this show 1,000% – and will be until the (sad) day that it eventually “dies.”

        Regardless of what they have planned, BRING ON SEASON 5 !!

  23. herder says:

    Can I say how much I loved this episode, Chuck was clever and inovative, Casey got a great line “Russians, so many Russians”, Morgan was hapless but in a loyal way, Awesome got to be awesome again, Ellie was decisive “take him out” and Hartley was sweetly muddled. And Sarah, not to much of her, but think of one of the comments Yvonne made about Sarah not being the kind of girl who put a towel on her head and dreamed of her wedding, all the dry run was Sarah being that girl, in this case with a doily on her head, she gets a childhood and a dream wedding.

    I kind of like the idea of Morgan being the intersect, with the intesect skills Chuck being “that guy” kind of got lost, this development allows him to get that back and the team still has an intersect albeit a very imperfect one. This in a strange way makes the Buy More itself more relevant than it has been this season too. The loss of the intersect makes him less of the weapon the CIA has always dreamed of and more of the special guy that all who know him beleive him to be. I like it.

    • atcDave says:

      You are certainly right about the Buy More herder. This makes it more important than it has been for a while. Its the “legitimate” front for a very covert organization.

    • thinkling says:

      Agree with all of that, Herder. Chuck has never been more heroic and selfless. And his doing it all without the Intersect made it that much more heroic. This is the Chuck we love. He always shows up for the finales. Hopefully he is here to stay. Actually he was pretty consistent in the back 11, so I think S5 is going to be great!

      I’ll add that as a mother I loved Mary’s freaking out over the motorcycle, I hope the answer to that is no. Cracked me up. For such a heavy episode, it had some well placed humor.

      The very best of Chuck!

      • atcDave says:

        Especially funny in the context of the life Mary has lived, and what she knows about the CIA/Intersect life Chuck has lived. She still freaks out about the motorcycle. Very funny.

      • thinkling says:

        Still a mom first. Sometimes you just can’t hold back. 250 mph motorcycle … I can so relate to her.

      • atcDave says:

        Really? So your son has done the 250 on a motorcycle thing? Too cool!

      • thinkling says:

        Nooooo. He talked about getting a Vespa, and I was remarkably restrained :). The 250 mph motorcycle … I would have something to say!

      • atcDave says:

        Hey, I’ve got a friend who was nearly killed on a Vespa too…

      • thinkling says:

        Exactly. My parents always said, “Buy your kid a motorcycle for his last birthday.”

        It never got past the talking phase …

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  24. thinkling says:

    One of my favorite lines was Morgan’s new nickname for Sarah, when he was telling them about the sale of the Buymore: There’s just one problem, Mrs B. Loved that.

    • atcDave says:

      One good thing with the new organization, there would have been entirely too many Agent Bartowskis otherwise!

      • thinkling says:

        I thought that could be funny the first few times, but it could have gotten old, too.

        So, it’s open for LH to come back … even TD if they really wanted to. I wonder how much of a Bartowski family operation this will be. I hope the entire family will be involved.

    • joe says:

      Wasn’t that great? Made me smile!

    • herder says:

      I thought that it made him look like the chauffeur in the Hart to Hart parody from Role Models. I don’t remember if Sam called Stephanie Powers Mrs B though.

      • atcDave says:

        It was Max, he did call her Mrs. H. yet another fun pop reference. Of course the whole billion dollars set up is VERY Hart to Hart.

      • armysfc says:

        actually a kim possible fic. these lines are right out of it.

        something like, eight hundred and seventy millions dollars. Since you haven’t actually seen any of yours, I suppose it could be closer to a billion by now though,…real close to what chuck says.

        how to fly their newly acquired jet, Within a few weeks they had gotten their plane…they bought a gulf stream.

        We own an entire office building?…replace with buymore.

        like i have always said you can make anything fit anywhere. i always joked around how similar the characters were to the ones in kim possible.

      • Faith says:

        In the interview with Mo Ryan they brought up Hart to Hart as a comparison to what they consider Chuck season 5 will be (somewhat).

      • thinkling says:

        Flying the jet is no problem, since Sarah is a pilot.

        Hart to Hart Chuck style will be very cool. More action, more comedy, sweet but not so syrupy … more “real” character wise and more interesting story wise. Throw in a little Undercover Blues and great action/story like 4.24, and I’m good for years.

      • atcDave says:

        Last I knew, most Gulfstreams are not single pilot certified. The latest avionics may make that info out-of-date; but at any rate, I would expect the new Buy More spycorp to have at least one additional pilot on call. Because I doubt Sarah, as co-owner, really wants to spend every 5+ hour flight confined to the cockpit. Now if we consider Casey is a pilot too, it makes the situation a little better. But I see Sarah and Casey both as key to any mission planning, so at least one more pilot (maybe just a co-pilot) would be helpful for actually being PIC when there’s spy talk to be had.

        Oh and I’d wanted to mention on the Hart to Hart references; Casey is sort of the odd man out, but if memory serves I believe the Harts did have a dog…

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Sarah has other things to do on those long flights…

      • jason says:

        morgan can fly – morgan can deliver babies – morgan can marry people – me thinks morgan can ******** is going to be the easiest spec for season 5

      • thinkling says:

        I’m sure they’ll have some money to hire a pilot, but their team is well prepared to fill in when necessary.

        Ernie, I hope the plane has a supply closet. It’s a four man team now.

      • herder says:

        Thinkling, they don’t need a supply closet so long as they have a sufficient store of those short term tranqs they used on Manoosh in Natcho Sampler. A short nap and no memory of the 15 minutes preceeding it. Of course Casey and Morgan might start to catch on if they wake up from unexpected naps every time they take a long flight with Chuck and Sarah.

      • thinkling says:

        Good idea. I hadn’t thought about tranquing Morgan and Casey. But they can’t tranque the pilot. Guess they can lock him in the cock pit. 😉

      • atcDave says:

        Ahh geez, they can tranq the pilot when they’re in strait and level flight at altitude. Nobody really cares if the pilots doze off as long the controllers are awake…

      • thinkling says:

        LOL. Unless they overshoot their destination and have to do a u-turn and come back. 😉

      • atcDave says:

        ROTFL! I’d forgotten about that one! Right now controllers need a good drunk/sleepy pilot story to divert attention…

      • ArmySFC says:

        dave question is…are they awake to hear it? just saying.

    • kg says:

      Agreed. And I liked Casey’s line. It was so him and so true. And as I vaguely noted in my earlier post it was a remark Chuck needed to hear at the time. It was the only occasion I recalled Chuck reverting to his whiny ways.

      “Shut up. Without the intersect you’re still the second best spy I’ve worked with. You have to go save the best one.”

  25. Lola says:

    Ok, now that I made my catharsis (or however is spelled – I’m from Argentina have pacience 🙂 above in the feed, I can say: WHAT A REMARCABLE EPISODE!
    – Save for the last part, cuac!

    But still, as a lot of people had said, the best enemy for teamB at this point of the story IS their own goverment. Not counting s4.1, the goverment – or at least some faction of it- has always been some sort of threat for TeamB & extended family. So it’s going to be an interesting setup for s5: Freelance spies financed w/the fourtune of one of the CIAs biggest enemies, who they happened to create in the first place.

    If I have to start writing what I thought was the best of the episode, I’d probably ended up doing an extense inventory of each take (not scene) of vs. Cliffhanger, sooo, I’ll write just a few:
    – Casey’s line about the russians…
    – Chuck knowing how to parachute w/out the interesect.
    – Chuck saying he is a traitor only for a day. jeje.
    – Carina and Zandra’s comfortable chit chat w/ Morgan on the Crown Vic.
    – MamaB motherly worrysome.
    – And on a girly comment: loveee the dresses: bride & bridesmaids as well.

    Some cuestions I saw above, that I had asked myself:
    – Would Chuck and Sara tell the Buymorians they are the new owners? Probably not, right? Sarah said the Buymore was the best cover.
    – Chuck saying his father was killed, brought back something that was always on the back of my mind… is papaB really dead? or do they have him stashed somewhere?
    – If they bought the Buymore, does Chuck/Sarah appear in the records as owners? How whould they explain it if their CIA’s resources had been freezed or cut?

    So many cuestions for s5!!!

    PS: I generally just read a LOT more than what I post (I think I posted here maybe 5 times or less) but… I liked this ep a LOT.

    • Lola says:

      that should’ve been: Questions. Sorry!

      • Amron says:

        ¡Lola! Además de este final, me acabas de hacer el día (o la noche): ¡por fin, alguien con quien hablar de Chuck en español! (Por cierto, ¿no detestas el hecho de que Warner Channel Latinoamérica ni siquiera ha anunciado la Temporada 4?

        Really happy to meet another Latin American Chuckster… and I completely understand what you said about grammatical mistakes…

      • thinkling says:

        Hey, I understand in reverse. After so many years in Brazil, I say I used to speak one language well, but now I speak two languages poorly. … And I could never spell worth a hoot.

      • Lola says:

        jajaj @Amron, que relax hablar en español! 🙂
        Ojo, te digo que me cuesta un poquito porque estoy tan acostumbrada a verlo, escucharlo y pensarlo en inglés que me suena raro… pero definitivamente un relax (a la Arg) escribir en castellano 🙂
        De donde sos?

        @Thinkling, know what you mean, my job involves speaking, reading and writing constantly in english and sometimes portugues and at one point its difficult!
        Its embarrazing but sometimes I can’t remmember the adjective in spanish!!!!

        By the way@Amron, muy mal lo de Warner Latam, se que están en todo su derecho a elegir la programación, pero para variar sólo miden números y se olvidan de fidelizar televidentes 😦

      • Amron says:

        Si, se siente raro platicar de Chuck en español, ¿verdad? Pero a veces me dan unas ganas de simplemente soltar una que otra frase en español, pero sé que nadie me va a entender. Respondiendo a tu pregunta, soy de México, del estado de Veracruz…

        You’re not alone, as Lola, sometimes I forget the word in Spanish… but shhh!!! that’s a little secret between us… And as she said, talk about Chuck in Spanish is a little weird, because I kind of switch my mind to English anytime I think about the serie…

      • joe says:

        That’s so cool, Amron. I’m terrible at languages; I seem to have no facility for learning another. But I’m fascinated by the idea of speaking several. I definitely want an Intersect for that.

        My 81 year old dad still speaks Polish, but I was a teenager before I even realized that English was not his first language. He didn’t learn it until he went to grammar school, and his father never did learn! (Hey, I just thought grandpa was a quiet man! 😉 )

        I always wondered when my dad reached the point when he started to dream in English!

      • thinkling says:

        Amron, you’re right. Some things are language specific and automatically throw you to one language or another. Other things … I don’t even remember which language it was in.

    • joe says:

      I’m glad to see you post a comment here, Lola. In my head, I hear your voice and it sounds like Morgan’s mother, Bolonia! 😉

      Those were great lines, the ones you pointed out. Linda Hamilton, showing her concern for Chuck like that was PERFECT! I really hope she’s a regular for S5.

      I think you’re right about C&S not telling the Buymorans that they own the Buy More now. It’s going to be their cover. I suspect they have ways of hiding the fact from prying eyes. A billion dollars, their wedding present from Alexei, can buy a lot of secrecy, intermediaries and documentation.

      I don’t really think they’re going to bring Stephen back, but they certainly left that a possibility. I’d guess that if Scott Bakula was available and willing, they might do that. But they don’t have to.

      • Lola says:

        Hi Joe, thanks for the lines. I think you are right, Scott B could come back, but I hope the TPTB don’t “resurrect” him in present time… It would be “inverosimil” (I’m loking the correct term in english, thanks Google Translator. well, it translates it as “improbable” which i don’t think its the specific term for it…)

        Anyway, I hope they get to build a solid and “verosimil” background for this new storyline, and given they won’t have the ratings gohst on their back anymore, I think they will!!

      • Lola says:

        ahh! About me sounding like Bolonia – which by the way, for me it sounds like a food name 🙂 because in spanish there’s this souce called Boloñesa jejej – probably it is jajaja although i’m younger :P!

      • joe says:

        Lola, that’s funny! Bolonia sounds like a food name in English too! Patricia Rae (the actress who played Morgan’s mother) uses Bolognia as her Twitter handle, which is how you spell the food.

        It’s a pun in two languages. 😉

        “Improbable” sounds correct. (“Unlikely” is also a word I would use about Stephen coming back.) But this is Chuck, and stranger things have happened.

    • atcDave says:

      No problem on the spelling Lola, we have a lot of international posters here, and we know English isn’t exactly the most user-friendly language!

      I’m thinking Chuck and Sarah will keep their ownership of the Buy More secret for now. But at some point the CIA will come snooping around I’m sure. If the Buy More and castle were being sold/surplussed by the CIA they would have been completely disarmed first, and would simply be a really cool private property thereafter. They will likely know Chuck used some private resources to purchase the site; I’m sure he can explain it as wanting to keep his loser friends gainfully employed. As long as Volkoff resources are properly transfered as far as the IRS is concerned, its none of the CIA’s business how or why the Bartowskis came into the money. Although I’m sure the CIA would watch their activities VERY closely for a while; I mean former CIA operative is given corporate resources belonging to someone Chuck had arrested. Definitely looks fishy. And I’m sure Decker will be VERY suspicious of Chuck’s activities.

      • herder says:

        I think that you mean loser friends, although from what we know of the Buy Morians they could be loose too, maybe even easy.

      • atcDave says:

        Hah!, yeah. Wrong word strangely fitting!

      • Lola says:

        Thanks Dave! The spelling part its a bit difficult 🙂
        I have to say that this is a very friendly virtual place you guys had created. And everyone writes properly and is being respectful. And that’s relaxing to read and a rear thing this days. So congrats!

        About the buymore storyline, I think you are right, Deckert will probably be very vigilant about C/S moves from now on.

        Still, some many things happened in this episode, and I for one, am amazed at how great their editing team is! they where able to tell a lot in those 42 minutes without leaving us with the feeling that the story was rushed. Thay are not always successful, but last night they were and it was a great job!
        Kudos for the editing team!

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah it really was a packed episode. It really went by fast too. I wish they’d been able to do a two hour episode.

  26. JC says:

    Not alot to say until a rewatch but I was underwhelmed. I love Morgan in small doses but man that ending. I really hate to use the term shark jumping but that was the first thing that came to mind.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      I love Morgan in small doses

      The operative word being “small”. But looks like that ship has sailed. So, let’s celebrate EMS instead 😛

    • Paul says:

      Does it matter if the show jumped the shark (which IMHO it hasnt’)? It’s going into it’s final season.

  27. alladinsgenie4u says:

    I liked Decker as the villain. Hope he come back in S5 – better him than Plywood

    • joe says:

      Burgi was great! I didn’t recognize him at first, but my wife pointed out his role as the oily ex-husband (lawyer) of the Susan Delfino character in Desperate Housewives. He’s very good at playing intimidating!

    • thinkling says:

      He’s got to come back … I hope. He’s obviously involved. If he finds out Chuck and Sarah are still thorns in his side, well he would make a worthy nemesis for Chuck and a henchman for the big bad puppet master.

  28. Amron says:

    I loved this chapter. Seriously, the way Chuck handled the situation was AWESOME!!! And Timothy Dalton is the best guest star ever!
    At first I really hated the idea of Morgan being an Intersect… it just feels wrong. I spend over a 15 minutes trying to digest that. Then, after read some Fedak interviews, I said myself: “Well, it seems he knows what he is doing, it could be a fun to watch…” And now that I’m analyzing it, I thing is no better person to have an Intersect than him: look at “vs. the Muurder”: that shows us that one of the things that made Chuck the best host is his personality, a weird mix of pop culture, family, science and, above all, good heart, and that’s something Morgan shares with him. Besides, it’s not as if we are going to have a copy cat from season 1, I mean, Morgan is going to be very different Intersect than Chuck, and I think it will be worth of watching how the student (Chuck) becomes the master, because nobody can teach Morgan how to use it as him…
    My only worry now is the action thing: I love to see Chuck being bad ass… is he still being an action man without the Intersect? I think I’ll wait…

    • atcDave says:

      Good question amron, it will be interesting to see how they handle it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Chuck got his own Intersect back somehow. I noticed they called what they were doing suppression, not removal. And also, Ellie has the Orion computer that undid suppression before. So Chuck may get his super powers back. I’m sure it will come up in interviews over the next couple days.

      • armysfc says:

        dave thats the part i had trouble with. it suppressed the intersect. beckman sent the glasses to chuck. why would she send the whole intersect and not just the program they used to unblock the suppression like the lap top did? that would not have given morgan the intersect because he did not have one. surely beckman knew this? but that makes to much sense. it is what it is.

      • Paul says:

        I find this very interesting. People have been complaining that Chuck has become too dependent upon the intersect and not using his own skills and talents. Now that Chuck essentially is being forced to do just that, they are now complaining that he doesn’t have the intersect anymore……you just can’t please people.

      • atcDave says:

        Paul I think its fair to be concerned about such a major shift in the show. I am actually glad Chuck got rid of the thing, it just leaves a lot of questions about how he will function in the spy world. I think I’d feel better about Chuck not having the Intersect if Morgan didn’t either! But I do like the idea it may make Sarah and Casey more important again as protectors.
        But Josh Gomez is certainly a funny actor and I expect I’ll like the result a lot.

    • joe says:

      I don’t think the Intersect is suppressed in Chuck. It’s gone. It can be brought back at any time, though (as Morgan just showed us). Intersect technology has come a long way since 2007, it seems! Moore’s law, and all that. 😉

      More seriously, I had to sleep on that one myself. Contrary to what I thought and wrote last night (and after reading the Fedak interview), I think now that Morgan will keep the Intersect in his head, Chuck won’t want it back, and that is going to be more than fine. Chuck simply doesn’t *need* it anymore; he’s a great spy and happy to be without it! He’s going to be heading up this new little operation, and that’s going to require more brains (and less Chuck-Fu – ‘brains’ was something he never lacked anyway).

      It’s sorta like getting a promotion at work to an executive position. Now you tell the coders to do their coding job while you plan the budgets and schedules.

      • atcDave says:

        They definitely did call it a suppression device in the episode. But you’re right Joe, the interviews I’ve read make it pretty clear the Intersect is gone from Chuck for the foreseeable future, and in the custody of Morgan.

      • joe says:

        Ack! After re-watching, you’re right, Dave. It’s suppressed. It certainly leaves the door open to Chuck getting it back.

  29. Amron says:

    Oh, and I forget to say this before, but I loved the short intro music! it was so EPIC! I mean, after that incredible line of “I’m the Intersect”, next thing we saw was the well-known pocket protector, so you expect the same music and the same intro, but then they go and put it a different music and cut it… that’s when you just know that this chapter is going to be a hell of a chapter….
    I’m sorry for all the babble… BUT GOD!!! THIS WAS SO GREAT!!!

  30. Chuck604 says:

    I really liked this episode. I liked that fact that when Chuck’s plan to get into Volkoff’s office went out the window, he went with his instincts. His instincts were to stir the part of Vivian Volkoff that was still there, but buried deep down, her goodness. Chuck’s unfailing belief of people’s goodness and his own selflessness has forged his relationships with his family and friends throughout the series. It changed Sarah, Casey and even General B. In the end, it helped him save Sarah, and in a way both Vivian and Hartley. Off course all of you here know this, but it’s cool they emphasized this part of Chuck at an significant part of this episode.

    I also kind of like how it parallels with Star Wars, as Gringo Chuck fan has mentioned before. When Luke was able to turn his father back to the good side of the force in Return of the Jedi, not my favorite film, but a really appealing idea nonetheless introduced to me back when i was a 7 year old. I thought the redemption idea was a really good one.

    • patty says:

      I think one of the best parts of Chuck is the idea that the only people who are iredeemable are those that choose to be and they must make that choice again each day.

      • Chuck604 says:

        I agree Patty, Chuck always tries to find a resolution that’s the least damaging for all involved unless he’s left with no other alternatives.

      • thinkling says:

        Well said, Patty. I totally loved the redemption of the Hartley/Volkoff’s.

  31. Katsumaro says:

    So very awesome. I got into it a bit with a few Chuck viewers last night about the whole Morgan thing, and was growing irritated fairly quickly, so sorry about that, Haha. (You know who you are..)

    Just wanted to get that out of the way. Now! My thoughts on the episode, if it matters. I loved it, personally. One thing that bothered me (outside of Vivian obviously, because she’s always bothersome) was the quick transition from Chuck closing his eyes over Sarah while she was in her coma, to the fake-out funeral to wedding goodness. Just felt a bit jarring, you know? I didn’t mind it totally though because the awesome wedding + montage made up for it. I’m glad Volkoff/Winterbottom got his happy ending, though. He was one of the best guest stars ever, so it’s good that he didn’t get punished with a “oh, you die now’ sort of thing. And Vivian wasn’t shown at the end… so YAY for that. 😀

    But yeah.. the Morgan thing. I’m a fan of it. Yeah, I realize I’m probably in the minority, but I truly didn’t get bugged by Morgan’s increased role. I thought it was fun. Yeah, overkill at times.. but still fun and he’s a funny guy. I also think it’ll lead to some really fun hijinks next season. As far as Chuck going crazy without the intersect and not being able to function? I think that’s a thing of the past. A major reason he was like that because no matter how much he was reassured by Sarah, he worried about her leaving him if he wasn’t able to be a good spy with the intersect. Well they’re married now, so no worries as far as that goes! That and I’m pretty sure over time, he’s picked up some l33t fighting skills under Sarah and Casey. That’s my speculation, anyway. Oh.. and I’d actually be fine if Chuck isn’t re-intersected, though I’m sure he’ll get it back somehow. Like.. it’ll ‘reboot’ again or something. I just like Chuck without the intersect because he seems to always be so much better. The plan against Volkoff? Against Sha…I mean Plywood? But alas.

    Still.. Morgan + Chuck with intersects, plus the Giant Blonde Shemale in “Mrs. B” and Casey? Epicness could ensue and I’m super pumped for that.

    • jason says:

      interesting – I am not or have not been a big fan of morgan, but I have an open mind to the intersect role for him. One thing your post made me realize, is how much more I liked chuck 4×24 than most of season 4 chuck, he stopped being neurotic, his walk thru the buymore, his asking casey and morgan if they want a job, he was downright cocky about it …. one aspect of the neurotic thing, has not the intersect tended to magnify personality flaws …. in orion made him quirkier (if that is even possible), in the greta’s made them more robotic, in shaw made him crazier, stupidier and even smellier (at least in this universe), so maybe in chuck it made him more neurotic – I know that is fanwank, but anyhow, I really liked chuck in this ep, and it seemed the moment the intersect came out – chuck got ‘cooler’, more self assured, etc – I would love to see that chuck in season 5.

      One great thing about the open format of this blog, what one reader sees that I might not totally agree with, can open insights for me into other things, and make me see that we all see the show in more the same light than might first appear, Kats, your post was that way for me, thanks!

      • jason says:

        oh – sorry – one final notion / ? – if the intersect does magnify personality traits – what negative trait will be magnified in morgan? – maybe he will talk even more? or become even more loyal & brave on the positive side? I sort of get the feeling the morgan intersected thing is not going to be a smooth ride for morgan, casey, chuck and sarah – my guess is morgan is not going to know kung fu all the time – some of the fun of season 5 might be how unpredictable the whole thing will be?

      • Faith says:

        Being married and settled does a lot for that too. That sense of security and love. Afterall Chuck did promise to “prove it to [her] everyday for the rest of [their] lives.”

      • wax_eagle says:

        Remember how hard Chuck had to work to cool his emotions in S3. It hasn’t been made much of an issue, but flashing on demand was something that Chuck had to train himself quite hard to do. He had to find a focus.

        Morgan is like the most unfocused distract-able person in the entire Chuck universe. He will have a hard time making the intersect work as fluidly as Chuck did by the end of S4.

        This should be a very fun ride as we see Morgan struggle with the same kinds of things that chuck struggled with in the first 3 seasons. It will certainly be played for laughs, but there is a lot of drama potential there as well.

      • joe says:

        Jason, I’m glad you think that. I do too. I’ve learned a lot more about the show from you guys than from any place else!

        That idea of the Intersect putting an extra oomph into other traits is a great one! We haven’t seen enough of those who were Intersected to make it obvious, but it certainly holds water.

        Faith, you’ve got the right idea too! Marriage and child rearing does that (yeah, it’s called growing up ;)). But lemmee tell ya, so does finding someone you have faith in, like a good woman (or man, I gather).

      • Katsumaro says:

        Oh wow, my post had that kind of effect on you? Well I’m honored!

        A little side-note not directed at anyone, but just getting it off my chest.

        It’s just.. I’ve been bothered by such the negative reaction to the ‘cliffhanger’ across the different social networking places, or other boards.. and it’s crazy how fast people will turn on a show just because they don’t like the premise of something they’ve yet to actually see. Have the writers of ‘Chuck’ made mistakes? Of course. Name a show that has a writing team that did not at some point. The fact that Chuck’s been on the bubble since what.. the end of Season 2? Or were they on one at the end of S1? I’m not sure. The fact is they’ve been on the bubble most of the time they’ve been on air. Do you know how hard it is to get near a season and not know if you’re coming back or not? How do you plan ahead for that? They say that they write their finales as something that could be seen as a season finale or series finale, but I don’t really buy that. It’s gotta be hard.. and then with Season 4, how stuff was so disorganized and didn’t seem to flow.. if they knew they were getting 24 episodes before hand, I am 100% confident that things would have been a lot smoother. Yeah, that’s completely an opinion, but it’s one I’m sticking by and I don’t think that is an excuse.

        Anyway.. I’m gonna be pumped for a Season 5 and watch it, and critique it like I’ve always done. I could sometimes be a negative nancy to this sort of thing, but for once, I’m thinking positively. I love ‘Chuck’, it’s crew, the characters.. and I’ll stick by it until it’s off the air.

      • thinkling says:

        Being married and settled does a lot for that too. That sense of security and love.

        Absolutely. And it’s a visible difference. I even think (or maybe I’m just seeing things) that we could see the new marriage-security in Chuck and Sarah in the final scene in Castle … even more together, more of a couple than they were before. That security should continue to be evident and play into the awesomeness of S5 … Chuck’s spy confidence and Chuck and Sarah’s confidence to run their spy enterprise.

      • armysfc says:

        kats…i don’t think it’s a sudden change and this was the last straw so to speak. maybe they just got to the point they could not take it anymore a finally voiced their opinion. i think this review sums up really well why some people have responded the way they did.


      • Katsumaro says:

        Eh, maybe. I think I’m done with boards and a majority of fansites, though. At least for now while things calm down. All it’s doing is working me into a tizzy.

      • armysfc says:

        kats funny thing is, this is the worst response i have seen to an episode since FoD. i’ll just say good luck next year.

      • Big Kev says:

        I retweeted that review earlier because it’s by far the best one of the episode that I’ve seen. The choice of setup for S5 raises at least as many questions as possibilities. That’s not to say people should dismiss the idea out of hand, but it’s probably fair to say that this would have been towards the bottom of most people’s wishlists. TPTB will need to recognize that and address the questions that McGee poses.

      • armysfc says:

        Kev..true. it also raises the questions of continuity. that’s the one thing this show has had a hard time getting right, now they want to try a massive interconnection over what happened over the course of 4 years? good luck getting that. enjoy the comedy/romance next year. there’s a good interview with JG. they made this decision while filming 4.22, well that’s when he found out. that says to me they had no idea what to do with only 2 eps left to go. how can you be that far into a season and not know what happens next? i would think once they got the extra eps they would have mapped out the course of the show. that in it’s self could explain the issue.

      • atcDave says:

        Kats if you’ve been visiting here you know most of us (all six principals) have had a positive response to this season of Chuck; and we’ve already seen all six of us, and a significant number of our regular commenters, are very happy with Cliffhanger and very excited for S5. I can’t speak for what else is going on across the web, but you’re in good company here if you loved this season and episode.
        Now for all that, I do have some concerns about super Morgan. I HOPE he’s still played mostly for comic relief, and we see an Intersect as wildly unpredictable as Morgan himself. But my main interest in the show is Chuck and Sarah, so my biggest concern for S5 is just that they remain the stars of the show. I’m a little concerned if Morgan takes too much of their screen time.

        But not a lot concerned. I’m pretty sure at this point that the writers get it, and expect to love S5!

    • thinkling says:

      The fast transition and other things that felt a bit rushed (even the wedding a little bit) was because it’s just such a full episode. They even cut the signature Nerd intro. As soon as they did that I knew we were in for a wild ride and a full episode. I was trying to figure out a way to lengthen the wedding just a bit, but there just was no filler in this episode … to me anyway. They did a great job fitting in as much story as they did. They really could have used an hour and a half slot, but I think we got an amazing episode.

      • atcDave says:

        I expected the break neck pace too, especially when I saw they’d skipped the credits. I was just glad we got a good two minutes AFTER the wedding.

  32. Big Kev says:

    I thought the finale summed up the season. I laughed, and there was a lot that I liked – but ultimately, it didn’t live up to my expectations and I was left feeling slightly disappointed.
    Jason and I have had a long running discussion over the season about Chuck being Get Smart for the 2010’s, and whether that’s a good thing, and I’m going to have to concede defeat and say that’s certainly what S4 has been, and where S5 is heading. I’m not going to say I don’t like it, because Get Smart was a fun show – but it’s not a show that ever did anything other than make me laugh. It’s not a show I ever felt invested in. And this finale was like that for me – it made me laugh, but it didn’t make me feel anything else, and I didn’t feel invested. I didn’t get any sense of drama from Sarah’s plight, and I didn’t feel any great sense of emotion or catharsis at the wedding. I laughed at Morgan’s officiating under the auspices of the IGFP, but I wanted to feel more than that after 4 years of watching Chuck and Sarah’s story – and I didn’t. I think that’s because they’ve made the show so light this season, and the characters slightly cartoonish, that when they try and inject something “real” into it, it doesn’t quite work the way it used to – and my emotional connection to the characters has been lost as a result. Others will disagree, and say the show’s been like that all along. Maybe it has.
    I like Morgan. I think he’s actually been the most interesting character over the last 2 seasons, other than Sarah – but I think the intersect might be a step too far. We’ll see. I do love the idea of the freelance spies though, and the amount of trouble that Mr and Mrs Bartowski could get into, spending their millions. Hopefully, Ellie will continue to be weaved into the spy world, and we can have an ensemble Team B against all comers. I’ll enoy whatever they do for S5 on some level – but a part of me will continue to wish they’d chosen another path.

    • joe says:

      I understand, Kev. How much it plays “true” is a very personal thing.

      For me, I got swept away by Sarah’s vows, and that feeling was solidified later by Chuck’s. That worked so well for me (from the point where Sarah puts the lace doily on her head), that everything else is nit for me.

      • Big Kev says:

        And I think you’re in the majority with that reaction too, Joe. Sarah’s “vows” were the highlight, no doubt about that.

      • jason says:

        joe / kev – i watched for a second time this am, I was trying to gear up a mental list of a top ten things I loved about the ep, I had near ten things after about half an ep, which is when I was struck how much fun I was having. I loved sarah’s vows, on first view, chuck’s did not blow me away, but they were better the second time, first time I think I was distracted trying to figure out if the wedding was a dream or real?

      • Big Kev says:

        Just rewatched – and that transition from deathbed Sarah straight to the wedding with Morgan officiating is just really jarring. As you say, it makes the wedding seem unreal and almost distracting. When you watch again, and you know it’s real, you can concentrate on what happens with the vows and the looks, and it’s a much better scene.

  33. wax_eagle says:

    Loved this ep. Chuck attempting to go on the same kind of rampage that Sarah did in Phase three was doomed from the start. However, when he was robbed of his super hero skills he returned to what he does best. Being Chuck Bartowski.

    Chuck’s hero’s journey was completed in this episode as he realized that he can get by on his nerdiness and good guyness to save the girl instead of having to rely on being the intersect.

    The transition to Morgan as the intersect will be interesting. However, I don’t think the show’s focus will turn from Chuck to Morgan. I think that Morgan, like he has always been, will still be Chuck’s side kick. Chuck’s specialness had a lot more to do with being Chuck Bartowski and a lot less to do with him being the intersect. Hopefully he has learned some things about spycraft that he can teach to Morgan, but ultimately it will be about Chuck becoming the bad ass that he was destined to be with or without the intersect.

    There is no way that Morgan can carry this show, its about Chuck, it has always been about Chuck. Morgan does not have the control, patience or will to be anything more than Chuck’s side kick, even with the intersect and it will be interesting how this show develops that aspect.

    • thinkling says:

      Great observations, Eagle. I think you’re right that Morgan will always be the sidekick (Alfred and Max and Aspiring-but-not-quite-Robin, all rolled into 1), and it will be fun to see Chuck as the confident hero/spy, along with his wife, he was destined to be.

      I really loved Casey’s words to Chuck. You’re Chuck Bartowski, the 2nd best spy I’ve ever worked with. Now go save the best. One of the best lines for so many reasons.

      • wax_eagle says:

        I think Morgan’s ceiling is Robin. That will be his journey for this next season. He started this season as Alfred, but I think at best he finishes season 5 as Robin.

        Morgan is a good choice if they were to intersect anyone else in the team.

        Casey’s character development and growth have been really interesting. He has certainly come a long way from the agent who nearly put a bullet in Chuck’s head.

      • thinkling says:

        The character growth is one of the things I love best about the show.

        A book by John Eldrige defines the stages of a man as: boy, cowboy, warrior, king, and sage. I think we can see Chuck progressing through some of those stages. Cool.

      • joe says:

        I like that, Think! That’s more edifying than Shakespeare’s version, which sort of ends in dotage.

        Sure seems to fit Chuck nicely. He’s heading into ‘King’ now, up from ‘Warrior’. Excellent!

      • jason says:

        @think – that is interesting, somewhere else I posted that casey is becoming more ‘oracle’ like (I think he skipped the king part) … morgan probably breaks the bank on such a test, he is boy, cowboy and sage all wrapped into one, looks like he is going to add warrior to that list, although I think his rendition of warrior is going to be very ‘cowboy’ like

      • thinkling says:

        Jason, I peg Morgan as cowboy all the way.

        Yep, Joe, Chuck is moving into the king phase.

  34. lappers84 says:

    Wow a lot of reaction to the finale. Personally like a few I was a little let down (was kind of hoping for a bit more action and perhaps some more from the CATS) but at the same time I think the actual cliffhanger at the end (after I let it sink in) could work really well for season 5. Maybe with Morgan as an intersect Chuck can start filling a role as teacher/handler for him since he is the only successful human intersect. As for Deckers final speech, makes me wonder whether the CIA had it secretly planned from the get go. From Orion running away to protect his kids, events at Stamford, Bryce being sent undercover with fulcrum and sending the intersect to Chuck, Sarah appearing in Chuck’s life, all the Fulcrum bad guys, Ring, 2×4 man (using his obsession with the ring to stirs things up, which we know he did :@) basically everything up to that point was a huge testing ground for the intersect/Chuck. I really feel season 5 could well be a great exit to the series if they do it right 🙂

  35. James says:

    So thinkling what do you think of predictions before the episode? I am happy they are out of the CIA, how heartbroken were we when chuck said to decker that Sarah will die and he responded I don’t care? Good riddance!

    • thinkling says:

      James, putting together some specs, we did OK.

      Patty suggested that Hartley and Mary would use the fake id’s … she was right, except it was Vivian, instead of MamaB. Now we can keep MamaB for next year.

      You said they should be out of the CIA and working at the Buymore and with a private spy organization.

      I said they will be going after the root baddie in the CIA responsible for the whole Agent X/Intersect/Bartowski/Hartley plot. I said they would be funded by a benefactor, like the president or unnamed person in the government, and GB would be their handler.

      You nailed Hartley as the benefactor and then predicted that Chuck and Sarah would buy the Buymore and use his money for missions. Ah, and you predicted that someone else would get the Intersect.

      Did we nail it or what? Well, folks, you heard it here first.

      I’m pretty excited about the season. It’s a great new direction. TeamB against … everyone else.

    • joe says:

      Good job! Speculations don’t get much better than that. 😉

      But there’s one thing about which we *still* know nothing. It dawns on me that we may actually discover something about Omaha now too. That’s *got* to be part of that conspiracy that Decker told us about, right?

      Please tell me it is!

  36. Bill says:

    On a different note: Which detective/spy couple will Chuck and Sarah most likely channel in season 5?

    Nick and Nora Charles? (The Thin Man)
    Jerry and Pam North? (Mr. & Mrs. North)
    Jonathan and Jennifer Hart? (Hart to Hart)
    John Steed and Emma Peel? (The Avengers)
    John and Jane Smith? (Mr. & Mrs. Smith)

    Certainly not the Smiths. Chuck is not an assassin.
    I have to go with the Harts (even though they were derivative of the Norths, they were richer and better looking).

    And how long before our new freelance spies blow through Volkoff’s money fighting … who exactly? Volkoff Industries was only worth a measly 770 million dollars? As the late senator Dirkson said in the 70’s: :”A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon your talking about real money.” This is 2011. Maybe they can get the Buy More to finally turn a profit.

    • joe says:

      Ah, you left out Max and ’99’ Smart, Bill!

      I still like Nick and Nora, but I must admit that there’s something about the way Zac & Yvonne carried themselves in that final scene that reminded me so much of Jonathan and Jennifer AND John Steed and Emma Peel combined. Something about elegance, I think.

      Last night and again on re-watch I was struck by their stature as human beings. It was light years removed from the characters we met in the Buy More almost five years ago now. No slumped shoulders, no shows of bravado, just something akin to understated (but totally confident) power and wisdom.

      It’s really cool.

    • thinkling says:

      Oh, this is fun. I think they have qualities of several.

      They have the money, the romance, and the good looks (only better) of the Harts. (I love their recently acquired wealth, btw)

      They have the knack for getting into trouble of the Charleses-ez. They’re a pretty romantic couple, too.

      The elegance of the Avengers … that’s good, Joe.

      I can easily see them doing some things like the Blues (Undercover Blues — Jeff and I’ve forgotten her name.)

      Chuck may not be a killer, but Sarah is every bit as good as any spy out there. All I remember about M/M Smith is their trying to kill each other, so not my favorite role models. I should watch it again. It’s been referenced so often.

      In the end they are uniquely their own brand of spy couple, and I am so excited to tag along for the ride.

      • ArmySFC says:

        thinkling…if you just skip to the end of M&M smith it becomes clear why its brought up so often. the final fight scene resembles the fight scene in the honeymooners. they way they fight together is perfect knowing what each other is going to do and they have each others backs. they are both willing to die for each other. that’s why i bring them up anyway.

      • atcDave says:

        Fun analysis. It was Jane Blue; that was a favorite of mine and I think a strong parallel. Jeff was the goofball and cut-up, and Jane was happy laugh along with him. Jane was the more dangerous of the two, and Jeff was sooooo deadly in his own right that was part of the joke.

        But I love the Charleses and Harts too. Chuck and Sarah have joined an elite group!

      • thinkling says:

        Thanks, Army. It’s been forever since I saw it, and the whole trying-to-kill-each-other thing was a stumbling block for me. I do remember it ended OK.

        Dave, we love Undercover Blues. I had forgotten … Jane. Now, I remember they never got their baby’s name the same … Jane Louise or Louise Jane. I could so see Chuck and Sarah doing something like the knitting needles torture scene, too. And just the way they worked together.

        They are at the top of that elite group in my mind. At least we get a season of them as a married spy couple. We came so close to not even getting Honeymooners.

  37. Ernie Davis says:

    I may have more to say later, but for now I thoroughly enjoyed the finale and the setup for next season. That said, I do sympathize with the “too much Morgan” crowd. Not saying I agree, but I see your view and sympathize. I think there is so much comedy there since they don’t have to make Morgan a competent spy in the end as with Chuck, and this move sets up a way to learn more about both the intersect and Chuck while adding an interesting new twist to the team dynamic. I saw hints that they might go this way (Chuck unplugged, not the Morgan twist) with Chuck’s slackerish tendency to rely on the intersect rather than do core work or know the name of the terrorist who blew up 3 embasies last week, but this episode showed him perfectly capable of operating without it.

    As many of you who have been here for a while know the Team B as Beckman’s off the books team was my wish for season 4, and now it looks like I’m finally getting it, so that makes me happy. I am however curious to see how money changes Chuck and Sarah. In the end this gives them the glide path to happily ever after, so there’s that. And we also get to see Chuck and Sarah’s parenting issues with their first child, named Morgan.

    • jason says:

      I am partial to stephen, but I am near 100% positive, Morgan delivers that baby

    • herder says:

      I think that Ernie meant that Chuck and Sarah’s first, dry run child if you will is 29 year old Morgan Guillermo Grimes, just not a natural child. Although I’m sure that Ernie can speak for himself on this.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Yep, that was pretty much what I was getting at. The two of them are going to be stuck raising a precocious bearded intersect.

      • jason says:

        haha – of course – poor sarah, she won’t ever want to have children after that

    • thinkling says:

      Touché. And we thought he had moved out.

      After the interview that stated their intentions to keep highlighting Chuck’s specialness, I’m fine with this … at the very least to give it a chance. I think they fully intend for Chuck and Sarah to still be very much the core of the show. At least it sounds that way to me.

  38. Ashley says:

    I’ve got to go against a lot of the others in saying I think the ending and episode all together was great, I loved it. At the end of the day the show is about Chuck not the intersect. Yes he was special and that’s why the intersect was sent to him in the first place (that’s the impression i got from the last talk with Decker). Saying that others can’t have it cause in season 2 people died from it makes no sense. Clearly the intersect itself has evolved to such an extent that the CIA no longer need Chuck and can put it in who they like. That seems to have been there goal all along. Let’s not forget at the beginning of season 2 when they thought they had the intersect room that they were going to kill Chuck. As the story has progressed they have taken all the info that Fulcrum, The Ring and the Agent x files gave them and in season 5 I think we will see what they do with it. I have sort of drifted from what I wanted to say lol. Was also going to say I love the Morgan Idea because as said the intersect didn’t make Chuck, it gives a chance for the last hooray to be back to the roots and I’m loving it. As Sarah says Chuck’s special all on his own.

    • lappers84 says:

      Yeah I agree, I can certainly imagine Chuck training future intersects like a more hands on Orion role and Morgan can be the first one he trains

    • jason says:

      one thing is in FOD sarah says in front of everyone that chuck is not a spy w/o the intersect, and I agreed, in cliffhanger, casey says chuck is the 2nd best spy he has ever worked with even w/o the intersect, and I agree with that too – seems like ‘chuck’ made some progress this season

      • lappers84 says:

        Notice most of the great Chuck spy work comes to him whenever Sarah was involved or in danger (Other Guy, Push Mix, Cliffhanger) I’m sure there are loads of other examples but those are the ones that stand out to me

      • patty says:

        Actually they made the point in FoD. While all the characters , including Chuck, were fixated on the Intersect, he was able to come up with the info that explained the nature of the diamond which impressed Rye. Of course , like most of the rest of the spies in Chuckworld, ignored what he was seeing infront of him and continued to follow his orders to repair the intersect.

        Really the only thing Chuck needs is some good hand to hand combat training!

      • Faith says:

        Chuck and Sarah play wrestling in the guise of teaching him how to defend himself FTW!

  39. Mike says:

    Good episode, but certainly not my favorite of all their finales. There were too many good things and an equal amount of bad things in this episode for me to list here. Plus, everyone pretty much has covered them anyway (but please throw me into the Morgan as intersect=BAD idea group if we’re choosing sides). There was one very simple question that nagged me from the start of the episode and kept me distracted enough throughout to lessen my enjoyment-

    Why was Sarah still alive?

    We saw how effective the Norseman was in the previous episode. It took out a room full of villians in seconds. It dropped the scientist in less time. Yet Sarah lived through it and was only “poisioned”? And radiation poisoning no less. Did Vivian have second thoughts and let up on the trigger? Was Sarah shielded through a lucky combination of distance, the metal in her earrings, and bean dip consumed at the rehersal dinner? Not that I’m not happy she made it, but why did she?

    • Ashley says:

      The only explanation for Sarah being alive would be distance as with the others you’ve mentioned they were in the room with Vivian and the weapon. We never found out where Vivian was when she used it on Sarah, she could have been in Moscow, we just don’t know. We do know she wasn’t at the dinner through. Didn’t think that was hard to figure out to be honest.

    • lappers84 says:

      Because she’s Sarah Walker Bartowski and season 5 would be rubbish without her? 😛
      Seriously though I think it’s just one of those plot devices that never really gets explained, even Vivian herself was perplexed when Chuck told her she was still alive. My bet was she was either too far away for it to outright kill her, or the norseman was defective (remember that it was a different noreseman to the one that killed those weapons dealers in Last Detail)

    • atcDave says:

      Actually we don’t know how quickly the Norseman killed anyone. Sarah was rendered unconscious as quickly as anyone. But the others were not receiving prompt medical aid, they were being left to die or dissolved in acid. If Volkoff had developed a more effective antidote, it suggests there is some expected lag time between poisoning and actual death.

      For the record, the Norseman is really not a very effective weapon.

      • thinkling says:

        Good points, Dave.

        Why do you say it’s not very effective? Having to collect the DNA? Or some other reasons?

      • atcDave says:

        Collecting DNA is part of it. It makes the Norseman roughly as deadly as any poison. It apparently requires close proximity to the victim or their personal affects at some point BEFORE it is used on them. It apparently does not kill instantly, it does have an antidote, and it requires several seconds to activate.

        As I see it, the only real advantage it offers is the ability to “pull the trigger” at a time of the killer’s convenience regardless of distance, location, or other physical protection.
        That gives it some value as a terror and intimidation weapon. In military simulations weapons are often ranked by a TLI (theoretical lethality index) which measures things like convenience, reliability, accuracy, rate of fire, etc. I think the Norseman would score poorly on that scale; a few interesting advantages, but a lot of limitations. Most machine guns would likely score much higher.

      • thinkling says:

        Good analysis. It’s nice to have a resident history, war, and weapons guru.

      • Faith says:

        Wait, the norseman is real? Gasp!

      • thinkling says:

        Duh?! It was developed along side the Intersect. 😉 🙂

      • Paul says:

        Remember though that the Norseman was intended to be more bark than bite…but with just enough bite to be a credible threat.

      • thinkling says:

        Right, a weapon of deterrence … for everyone except the one it kills

      • atcDave says:

        Well Paul is right, its a weapon of intimidation. Once you have someone’s DNA you can kill them at your leisure regardless of their defenses (unless they have the antidote, and you really have the right DNA).

        As I said, it has some special and interesting properties. Its just not very useful as “ultimate weapons” go.

  40. lappers84 says:

    I know this is irrelevant now but a nice little boost to the ratings 1.5 -1.6 🙂

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I’ll be watching the ratings next fall. Given their track record NBC will be backordering more Chuck by October. 😉

      But then I’m a big fan of the “filler” episodes that concentrate on the characters and backstory.

      • lappers84 says:

        I’m definitely doing the same, who knows maybe Friday night will be a blessing in disguise

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I also like the move to Friday. Now I can re-watch a few times and not worry about getting up for work!

        It would however be a bitter irony to have Chuck become a Friday night hit in its last season.

      • atcDave says:

        I noticed that too, better is good!

        And for the record, In Sepinwall’s interview with Fedak yesterday; CF clearly said “never say never” on the whole back order/renewal issue. I think he would still be happy for a longer run and is not eager to “move on.”

      • thinkling says:

        Dave, woohoo! In that case the move to Friday may be a really good thing.

      • atcDave says:

        Let’s hope for some better numbers on Friday too. Wouldn’t it be great to shock the network and beat the odds?

    • Oregon Lt3 says:

      Yes, it will be interesting to see what happens when chuck repeatedly wins the night … OK, at least the hour 🙂

  41. JC says:

    So I watched it again and I find myself torn. Team B own their own is something I’ve wanted since S3 ended. The show shares so much mythology with Batman, its great to see it finally being embraced. But that ending with Morgan, that killed it for me. Maybe if Chuck still had the 2.0 himself, I’d be OK but in a season where Morgan shined more than the title hero I’m not too excited about next season.

    Random musing
    Sarah’s vows were the best part of the episode. I wondered why they held off on her expressing her feelings towards Chuck during the season and was expecting this but it was outstanding.

    Decker oh please come back next season. He had all the worse qualities of Bryce, Cole and Shaw rolled into one. Loved him.

    Zondra, I’m still smitten.

    Chuck losing the Intersect has become the new Sarah rejects Chuck’s call. The well went dry the last time.

    The conspiracy well either we’re going to see some major retcons 😉 or a story that makes jj abrams giggle.

    • lappers84 says:

      As I mentioned before I really hope the mythology in season 5 can be connected up by the CIA setting everything up from the get go, then we can get some serious closure. Things bought up that have never been discussed previously (season 3 anyone??)

      • JC says:

        Others have mentioned Graham as being the puppet master which could work, plus Tony Todd is awesome. Throw in a Bryce return as his right hand and a showdown in the finale. Intersect vs Intersect to the death, with things coming full circle.

    • joe says:

      JC, what would you think if it was *Chuck’s* idea not to re-intersect?

      After all, those glasses worked well enough on Morgan, so why not on Chuck, any time he wants?

      I’m guessing that he’s “Been there, done that.” and is ready to be Chief-honcho of this new, little, independent group of spies. Wouldn’t you? Let Morgan do the field work! 😉

      • ArmySFC says:

        joe…you are comparing apples to oranges. there is a huge difference between giving something up and having it taken away. they are two completely different things. chuck saying he wants the intersect removed and doing it would have been a different approach, more so than in season 2. here he wants to continue on in the biz, then he just wanted out. he didn’t want it taken away and begged for it not to happen (good reason).

        they did what they always do, rehash something, changing the reason or the event just a bit. i said before the ep aired i hoped it didn’t happen and that the well on it had run dry. it is what it is. if your happy and content with the ep and the prospects for season 5, that’s all that really matters isn’t it?

      • joe says:

        Well, it *was* forcibly removed by Decker. But it looks to me like once he found the glasses on Morgan’s head, Chuck can have it back any time he wants, Army. His decision.

        I’m just saying that his position is elevated now. The skills he needs to be head of this little group are not the same, and those skills *are* his.

        And I just found this – http://chucktv.net/2011/05/17/chuck-ep-robert-ducan-mcneill-on-fan-concerns-about-finale-twist/
        which really helped me to understand your perspective. Chuck is supposed to be “special”, right? We’d like to know if that’s changed because Morgan (and apparently, anybody) can be Intersected. Robbie D. McNeill has things to say about that, apparently.

      • ArmySFC says:

        true but in the past the glasses were one and done use. see 2.03 for my basis. so on that it got one shot and morgan used it.

      • atcDave says:

        I think between Ellie, Orion’s laptop, and the glasses; Chuck will be able to get the Intersect back IF HE WANTS IT. Perhaps that will even be the S5 ending. But for now I’m happy and eager to see Chuck go forward without the darn thing.

      • JC says:


        If Chuck didn’t want the Intersect I’d call him an idiot and smack him. Team B is own their own now, with a hostile CIA and other villains everywhere. Would you really want Morgan-Fu watching your wife’s back?

        Honestly I see the idea of an Intersectless Chuck being the writers not fully getting some people’s complaints about the Chuck character. Wanting to see a smart Chuck doesn’t mean he has to be defenseless and vice versa. The writers made the 2.0 a crutch instead of an asset.

      • jason says:

        @jc – I think intersectless chuck is going to punch out more baddies than intersected morgan in season 5 – I think morgan is going to be a disaster as the intersect, constantly needed the big 3 to bail him out

        On chuck, sarah called out chuck as not a spy in 4×8, casey said in 4×24 chuck even without the intersect is the 2nd best he has seen – that is remarkable growth. i think chuck in season 5 is not going to need the intersect, he is going to be casey & sarah good as a spy, without the intersect.

        Until I hear different, that is my spec, since the notion of morgan saving the day the way chuck did in s1-4, that nauseates me, only slightly less than the notion of daniel shaw

      • herder says:

        Giving Morgan the intersect is the equivalent of giving teenage boys bourbon and car keys, in this instance it should be fun.

      • joe says:

        @JC, well, with many of the problems Chuck’s had to solve, the Intersect hasn’t helped him all that much. The Chuck-Fu is fun to watch, certainly. But the Intersect didn’t help him get Volkoff to say the pass phase words, for instance. It’s a resource, and Chuck’s learned how to use it as a resource. Now he has all of VI’s assets to use! I’ll betcha if anyone had to choose between the two, the wiser choice would be to take VI’s assets because they’re greater.

        Strictly from a writing and story point of view, I’ve always been wary of the Intersect becoming the Deux-ex Machina, the answer to all problems. That’s the crutch. It’s something for the writers to lean on every bit as much as Chuck-the-character.

      • ArmySFC says:

        joe…a lot of problems have also been solved by using the information in the intersect. look at the nuke bomb. i agree it could be used as a crutch, like his fighting skills. the information contained in it would invaluable in this new setting. how many time did it identify a bad guy and his plans? if the writers are good enough it would not become the Deux-ex Machina, but an asset like a computer or weapon. now that rests on morgan.

      • thinkling says:

        Good one, Herder. 🙂

        Army, in S3 (have you still not watched it?) there were some glasses that were used repeatedly to upload a mini Intersect (Nacho Sampler) .

      • ArmySFC says:

        joe… thanks for the link. despite what is being said on this blog, the first line speaks volumes about the episode. fans are in a turmoil over it. how can that be good? kats said it best, it’s being killed all over the internet, if i had to guess about 60/40 against. about 40% say the episode was not all that good, well for what they expected. this is different than a lead actor getting shot at the end or going missing.

        i have no idea where they came up with this idea but a spec comes to mind. thinking they were not getting renewed they added the morgan bit at the end in an attempt at a final joke in the send off. JG did say in an interview he found out while filming 4.22. now it’s all filmed and bang they get stuck with it. i hope it works out, from what i see now it’s not a very accepted or liked idea.

      • ArmySFC says:

        thinkling…nope (only the last few) so thanks for the correction. that’s why i listed the episode i did. still the point we were talking about was the difference between giving it up and having it taken. chuck had it taken away 2 times this year, and it malfunctioned a lot in season 3. going there is getting old, well at least for some of us.

    • TomM says:

      In regards to Sarah finally expressing her feeling, I agree. The only other time she expressed herself, from my perspective, was at the end of Phase 3 and I don’t think Chuck remembered much of that. But then again, she does talk to him when he is asleep! In terms of Chuck’s vows, he said all he needed to say during the proposal in Balcony.

      • thinkling says:

        I don’t know, she has stepped up a few times:

        Tooth: I love you. Before you, the only future I could think about was my next mission, and now all I can think about is a future with you

        Suitcase: You’re my home Chuck. You always have been.

        Coup d’Etat: I love you, Chuck. Nothing’s ever going to change that.

        Cat Squad: Chuck, don’t ever stop helping me. There are a thousand ways that I need your help every single day, and … you’re perfect.

        And of course Phase 3, but he was a bit foggy. She covered much of the same sentiment of her vows in her Phase 3 speech.

        I agree the vows were fantastic, but she has been progressively open about her feelings with Chuck since Honeymooners. The big thing was that they were practicing so she could “exchange intimate feelings in front of a crowd.” And by the time they practiced, she was ready and happy to do it … amazing. I loved her telling Chuck “don’t freak out [about the wedding] in the hospital. Once Sarah is in with both feet, she’s all in.

  42. Anonymous says:

    Hey, the first synopsis for season 5 is out:

    CHUCK VERSUS THE TALK SHOW (Friday, 8 pm.)
    TWO TEAMS BARTOWSKI RACE TO INTERCEPT THE NEW INTERSECT. Special Guest Star Oprah Winfrey. Chuck (Zachary Levi) and Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) rush to Chicago to muzzle Morgan (Josh Gomez) after he goes on Oprah Winfrey, tosses sunglasses to the audience and yells, “You get an Intersect! You get an Intersect! And you get an intersect!”) Meanwhile, General Beckman (Bonita Fredericy) orders Major John Casey (Adam Baldwin) and Mary Bartowski (Linda Hamilton) back to active duty to silence the Intersect with a different kind of muzzle. Back at the Buy More, Jeff (Scott Krinsky) and Lester (Vic Sahay) try to organize a strike against Sarah’s choice of new store manager manager (returning guest star Mercedes Masohn).

  43. szollo09 says:

    I keep reading that how awesome was Chuck without the intersect and Bad ass, and save Sarah, and he is a Hero and bla bla,.
    Well if you mean that by Crying and begging for Vivian to save Sarah then I think you right. Chuck not saved Sarah, it’s simple the writers not let her die.. Simple is that,

    Fedak has a very wierd illusion what it is mean that Chuck is hero, and he is spy and balh blah, No he is NOT. Just because your clever it’s not makes you a spy.
    Chuck’s solutions is talking and begging that is it, and now Morgan is the Intersect, I see fun for, 3-4 episode, but then ……..
    A whole season where Chuck is the Watchtower whiel Sarah and Casey and now Morgan is on the field, awesome final season realy.
    It’s kill my favorite aspect of the show Chuck and Sarah as a spy couple team. now we get back the Chuck stay in the Car, and blah blah. I already hear : Pleas help me, Morgan Save me, Sarah Save me.
    I’m not positive.
    The finale was good until that moment where Chuck lose the intersect, from that the only good thing was, Casey, the Wedding and Morgan calls Sarah Mrs. B.
    right now I’m not happy, and the first time, I don’t feel that I need next season right now.

    • atcDave says:

      Well according to Robert Duncan McNeill (see link posted by Joe above) it sounds like a big part of S5 will be showing us why Chuck is special and why Morgan won’t be nearly as good an Intersect. Sounds like fun to me!

    • joe says:

      Hi, Szollo. Glad to have your opinion.

      Allow me to disagree? Like you said, it’s true that, just because you’re clever, it doesn’t make you a spy. Likewise, just because you can beat up someone (with the aid of an artificial enhancement that works better than steroids, apparently), that doesn’t make you a spy either.

      Chuck abased himself before Vivian, but not before going down every path, exploring all the options at breakneck speed and getting cut off at the knees (by Decker, Vivian and even by Hartley) at every turn. It didn’t make him a wimp. He had no options left open to him, and really, it took imagination to find that one. “Just go in and ask Vivian for the antidote.”

      Really, I don’t think I heard any girl-ish screams this time, certainly, not like we used to!

      Anyway, Mr. & Mrs. Bartowski now look more like the perfect spy couple to me more than ever before. That scene at the end was fantastic that way. They were confident both in themselves and in each other. Very cool!

      • kg says:

        Joe you’re right. He wasn’t being a wimp. He offered himself up. Took off his moustache, glasses, told the secretary exactly who he was (Chuck B) and even threw in, “she wants to kill me.”

        And all he could think of was saving Sarah, I thought, even if it meant Vivian killed him as long as she got the antidote to Burbank. One more thing. He coolly offered up the priceless and untraceable indentities again thinking about Sarah and not his own hide.

    • thinkling says:

      Hello, Szollo09. Besides what Joe said, there’s another point to be made about Vivian. Chuck has always reached out to her, first as a kindred spirit (both of them missing fathers), then as a voice of hope and reason trying to pull her back from the brink of darkness. I would expect no less of him in any confrontation with her. He is very consistent in this, and not just with her. He had planned to let Hartley/Volkoff distract her while he stole the antidote, but when Hartley bailed, he had to face her. This is not wimpy Chuck. It’s Chuck at his finest … still trying to reach Vivian, appealing to the flicker of goodness somewhere inside her, offering her a legitimate path to redemption, and giving up his own escape route … all to save Sarah. In part it was his transparency that reached her. She took notice when she realized he was willing to sacrifice everything to save Sarah. That’s when she realized that he wasn’t a manipulator.

      The other thing worth mentioning was Intersect-less Chuck parachuting behind enemy lines and facing his armed enemies without blinking an eye. He confronted the man that tasered him, told him to step aside, and never wavered or winced as all the guns were trained on him. He walked right up to him, nose to nose, and threatened him if anything happened to Sarah or his family or friends.

      This was hardly Chuck from 4 years ago. This is the same Chuck as yesterday, only without the Intersect. I didn’t catch even the faintest whiff of wimpy Chuck. Even with the Intersect, he took enormous risk, professionally and personally. And I’ve gotta agree with Joe … Chuck and Sarah look like a formidable spy couple to me. Chuck won’t be minding the base or staying in the car; of that I am certain.

      Don’t give up, yet. I think we’re in for a great season 5 with Chuck more than filling his hero shoes, even without the Intersect.

      • Ashley says:

        This couldn’t agree more

      • atcDave says:

        Well put Thinkling!

      • patty says:

        I agree Thinkling.

        I would add that he walked in there unarmed knowing there would be only 2 possible outcomes. Vivian would give him the antidote or she would kill him, That is not wimpy; it is courage.

  44. lappers84 says:

    What I’d love to happen is for Schwedak to go back and marathon Chuck all the way through and make notes so we can see all these annoying little inconsistencies be tied up before ending it. At least then we go out on a high (I can hope)

  45. luckygirl says:

    I was pleasantly surprised the wedding boasted not a hint of jeffster.

    The vows were lovely. Sarah saying “talky” was adora-balls.

    Morgan-Fu is meh. I’ll reserve judgement until season 5.

    • joe says:

      Luckygirl, this is way off topic, but the words you used here made me smile.
      Someday in the distant future, someone is going to read it and say “What language is THIS??? What’s a jeffster? What is ‘Morgan-Fu’, and if it’s the subject of the sentence, what is this “meh” that is the object??? ”

      I understood perfectly, but it’s only because we’ve been inventing our own language here! 😉

  46. weaselone says:

    I think it’s important to clarify my misgivings about Morgan receiving the Intersect. Earlier in the season I was one of the members of the community expressing displeasure with a Chuck that had reverted to whiny mode and seemed unable to function without the Intersect. I also voiced irritation with Morgan taking screen time and stealing the mojo from the big three. That is not how I feel now that 24 episodes have passed. I am not concerned that the show will become Morgan, or that Chuck will be rendered mostly useless next season.

    Season 4 made it quite clear that Chuck has finally passed the point of needing the Intersect. He is a spy in his own right, he doesn’t need the Intersect to gain admission to the club. It was also firmly established over the season that the fears that the title “Captain Awesome” would be transferred to Morgan were greatly exagerated and that the show was not on its way to becoming “Morgan and Friends.” I think the real Captain Awesome knocking out a CIA agent cold while Morgan was doing whatever he was doing in the hallway bolds, italizes, underscores and puts little hearts around those points.

    My issue is that it seems to remove almost any barrier to the creation of Intersects. Over the course of the show, particularly this season it seems that the technology to make Intersects now seems to have been developed to the point that the government could make as many as they want provided suitable candidates and a sufficient budget for sunglasses. Up until the last episode, it seemed that the supply of suitable candidates remained a limitting factor. Orion was essentially crippled by his Intersect. Shaw’s upload seemed to have completed his descent into madness. Everyone else who was a potential candidate prior to this season either had their brain fried, bled to death or was blown up by Fulcrum sabotage or airforce ordinance. This season a couple of Gretas actually uploaded it, but lost their humanity in the process and seemed to suffer a significant burden from carrying it. Chuck’s candidates were a bust. Harley was turned into Volkoff by what was probably a partial upload. It seemed only a select group could host a full Intersect. The government could create human Intersects, but the numbers would be limitted as would their potential capabilities and life span.

    Then Morgan uploaded the Intersect in the closing minutes. Even if he has limitations, what’s to stop Decker or his bosses from uploading it into an army of agents or even ependables ala Ted Rork? More importantly, what prevents a massively outnumbered Team Bartowski from seizing every advantage they can get by uploading the Intersect into every member of the Team? Sarah, Casey and now even Chuck are highly trained spies with deep skill sets in their own right, but one never knows when the ability to perform open heart surgery with a butter knife, or build a supercomputer out of bailing wire might come in handy. The story has reached a point where it has become increasingly hard to believe that the CIA has not intersected a large subset of its agents and set in motion the endgame of a plan to bring about complete global domination.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I will quibble briefly. Morgan was not supposed to be the intersect. It was not a plan, and we don’t know how it will work out. This was Morgan throwing a spanner in the gears again. Chuck, good old reliable, stable, special, Chuck was supposed to get the glasses. Beckman provided the glasses to Chuck, so that the one and only reliable human intersect could remain the one and only reliable human intersect. Anything about Morgan being the intersect aside from the download is pure speculation at this point.

      • atcDave says:

        Robert Duncan McNeill did allude to this a little. Nothing in great depth, but the suggestion would seem to be the S5 will show why Chuck was special and a good Intersect, and Morgan won’t be.

        It’s impossible to really know how things will play out; and while my initial reaction is ambivalent, I’m willing to give TPTB the benefit of the doubt at this point.

      • thinkling says:

        That’s pretty much where I am with Intersect Morgan.

        The finale was fantastic, and things look great for Chuck and Sarah to be the power spy couple, be it the Harts or the Charleses or the Blues. But I bet the Bartowski’s have all those others beat. I believe they have great things in mind for Chuck as a great hero/spy without the Intersect. The training wheels are off, and he’s still gonna fly. The story itself is fresh and exciting, with a new level of risk and danger. For all those reasons, I can cut them some slack on the Morgan Intersect angle. I’m geared up to enjoy.

      • weaselone says:

        That’s not really what I meant, Ernie. I know that Chuck, not Morgan was supposed to get the Intersect. The fact that Morgan was uploaded and can still form coherent sentences suggests there is little limit to who can be Intersected. That’s the problem. If Beckman can produce a pair of glasses for Chuck, presumably the government can produce more. If Morgan can upload the Intersect, presumably a significant number of CIA agents can as well. As a result, there’s no barrier to creating a few hundred intersected field agents. That’s the problem.

      • thinkling says:

        Since Chuck had only had the Intersect suppressed, maybe the glasses were only a small dose.

        I agree they are playing much looser with the Intersect, but that is what the government wanted … an army of intersects. I’m willing to chill and see how they address it next year.

      • atcDave says:

        It seems like a reasonable guess to me that the new, easier to download Intersect is a recent development, possibly the result of Ellie’s work. If so, we may indeed see the CIA rolling out its own Intersect army. My guess would we’ll see why this is a bad idea in S5 (perhaps an army meglomaniacal super agents).

        Just like the atom bomb, only the US had it for three years; but as proliferation has started its become difficult to control.

      • thinkling says:

        It hasn’t been completely consistent, and there are various versions in canon.

        Manoosh managed a pair of sunglasses that gave him enough of a dose of Intersect to win a fight. Whoever bought them from him would have undoubtedly created an army with government issue sunglasses.

        It will be interesting to see how it all comes together and how they explore the proliferation of the Intersect and Smart Sunglasses.

      • jason says:

        My POV with the show – all the creepy writing does not matter as long as they keep CS together and unharmed.

        So TPTB can kill, maim, torture, seduce, norseman, throw out windows, shoot in arm, anything to any character other than CS, and I don’t care much about cannon, mythology, retcon, or serialization.

        My show watching strategy is to listen to sarah, ‘one mission at a time’

        I just finished watching castle’s final – what is it with shows and season 3 – do they teach in TPTB school to write as fan unfriendly script as possible in the 3rd season of show running?

      • ArmySFC says:

        it’s an adage in tv and FF. it’s a belief based on angst makes the end result sweeter. castle’s PTB said as much. many fan fiction readers say the same. i feel the same about it as WT/WT. how many real couples wait 3 years before going out? it’s how it’s scripted in the TV book i guess.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Jason, funny how Castle followed a similar play book.

        At least Chuck is in a better place now (hmmm, THAT didn’t sound quite like I meant it…)

      • Ernie Davis says:

        W1, OK, but we saw that other intersects were possible in A-Team, Morgan isn’t a new thing. Intersecting people other than Chuck is no longer an issue. How they react to and use the intersect is. That was what I was trying to get at.

        Plus, as far as Morgan goes, he TOLD us he knew kung-fu, whereas Chuck showed us. Big difference in story potential.

      • weaselone says:

        I suppose the differences might be in how we view Morgan vs. the Greta’s in the A-team. I view Morgan as everyman. As in if Morgan can be Intersected then every man can be Intersected. I viewed the Greta’s as an elite group of carefully selected agents who could handle the Intersect to some extent. The Greta’s indicated that there was a small pool of potential Intersects available to the government.

        Morgan, coupled with what was revealed about Volkoff suggests that anyone could be made an intersect agent. Decker could pluck Jeff and Lester off the street and upload an Intersect which provides not only a complete skill set, but overwrites their personalities with those of a professional agent. This is really an issue I would like to see addressed next season.

      • thinkling says:

        W1 … ROTFL. It would be quite funny to see exactly that … Jeff get a mini Intersect. How funny to watch everyone’s reaction to that.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        OK Weaselone, I think I see your point. I guess my feeling was that Ellie’s work had made the intersect a lot more brain friendly than earlier versions. Remember the earlier intersect required a governer and the first try essentially made Volkoff an insane monster. Even Chuck had some control issues with the original 2.0.

        As for how well it works in others, or making an intersect agent or army, we have yet to see if they will go there. The grettas were trained agents and the intersect obviously was of some benefit to them. The benefit however seemed to have been in areas where they already had skills like shooting and hand to hand combat. At bomb defusing for instance they still sucked. Even moreso it seemed to take away their ability to assess a situation and adjust their actions. In them the intersect seemed little more than a high speed targeting system, doing something they already knew how to do, but just faster and more efficient. That’s why I think Morgan will be an interesting case, precisely because he is everyman.

      • thinkling says:

        @Dave, after watching Castle, I was suddenly grateful for the Schwedak way of doing cliffhangers. (Fedak even expressed a dislike of cliffies like Castle’s.) At least Last Details wasn’t the season finale. I’m not as invested in Castle, although I do like it. I know Becket won’t die, but if I were a die hard fan, I’d be mad. On the brighter side for Castle’s S3, KB’s boyfriend was hardly ever on screen, so it wasn’t as bad relationship-wise as Chuck S3.

      • jason says:

        @think – I am not an expert, but as a newbie alias fan, IMO Fedak copied his cliffhanger style from Alias – which rather than hang the past ep, he introduces the coming ep .. examples FOD left us set up for phase 3, or balcony left us hanging for gobbler / push mix.

        The castle style would be to hang balcony on the balcony during the proposal I suspect … and yes, I like fedak’s style MUCH more.

        But, Castle seems to have figured out how to keep rick and kate apart while growing them closer and keeping them on screen near 100% of the time, but IMO they are growing very close to brother and sisterly – and if I were that showrunner, I would be somewhat afraid to put them together ever, in the season final, they did act more couply than ever, and it seemed off.

        Chuck and Sarah were near the opposite of most all that, including whenever the writers put distance, issues or people between them, the episode / season felt off, in some cases, dare I say, it felt ‘miserable’ – muaaahaha.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        I think that we’ll see Morgan as the Intersect for at least the first part of the season – maybe longer…
        1. It really brings the bumbling slapstick fun back into the action sequences… since we don’t know how well Morgan will be able to handle his new ‘assests’. We saw Chuck with the flawed flashes – which needed an emotional trigger[ S2, S3] …. what will Morgan’s trigger or flaw be? – well whatever it’ll be funny.

        2. Chuck really hasn’t had much direct interaction with the Buy Morons of late…. so now, A. He is un-intersected… B. he’s owning the store [ undercover] – and he’ll have more direct connection to the rest of the store employees. [ back to S1, S2]
        It approaches the problem [ note I did not say SOLVES the problem] – What to do with the Buy More?
        ‘Casey working at the Buy More’ – really didn’t do much for the rest of the Nerd Herd… not much in common …. grunts and threats only go so far…
        ‘Morgan as the Manager’ – again, really didn’t take off.
        I think most of us would have gotten much more entertainment in seeing Diane Beckman in an ongoing workplace conflict with Jeff and Lester [ shades of the [Bugs Bunny ] Coyote vs. the Sheep Dog daily battles of trying to out-do one another…
        … alas I digress…
        I think that the relationship between Chuck and the Buy More – and now Casey, Morgan, and especially Sarah – needs to be explored.
        If you’ve had a checklist of the relationship encounters:
        Chuck and Sarah married is just plain wonderful!
        Seeing Morgan and Sarah together has been a highlight –
        Seeing Sarah and Ellie – has been a highlight –
        Seeing Morgan and Casey has been a priceless…
        ~ all I’m saying is that I expect TPTB to continue to explore different character interactions…
        especially those possibilities that try to reintegrate the Buy Morons. Chuck seems to be the glue that holds this show together.

        Just a couple final observations –
        Sarah Lancaster was looking much more pregnant in the finale.
        So, I expect her screen time/story time to be rather limited at the beginning of the season – and pray that both her, and her new little one – have a healthy and happy delivery!
        That BEAUTIFUL photo of Sarah in her wedding dress –
        if you look closely ~ she’s wearing the twisty tie ring – from their dry run wedding vows rehersal… that’s pretty sweet!

      • thinkling says:

        @Jason: Maybe that’s why the Castle runners said they needed something dramatic to put them together. Well, they succeeded.

      • joe says:

        Gringo, you mention Diane in the Buy More. I have something that’s a little less than a spec, but something a little more than a hope.

        Let’s say the good general is not part of Decker’s conspiracy. She may find herself out of the CIA/NSA too, in which case, she can join TeamB and resume her cover in the Buy More. Morgan, give up your office!

        Can the Bartowskis afford a General on the payroll? I think they can!

      • thinkling says:

        If you’ve had a checklist of the relationship encounters:
        Chuck and Sarah married is just plain wonderful!
        Seeing Morgan and Sarah together has been a highlight –
        Seeing Sarah and Ellie – has been a highlight –
        Seeing Morgan and Casey has been a priceless…

        Totally agree, Gringo. Did you notice how much Morgan was holding Sarah’s hand in the hospital, sitting close, resting his arm on her leg. I thought that was pretty perfect … a very best friend thing to do. Not to mention all the stuff he was telling her. I’m sure we only heard/saw a small portion of his ministrations.

      • thinkling says:

        Joe, I really like that spec. Who better to run the Buymore than a general?

        That leaves a hole for TeamB’s mole in the government, though. I assume Mary was canned, as well, but maybe one of them would still have a source …

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Thinkling I agree about Castle and the differences in cliffhangers. What they did on Castle gets a little shock value, but otherwise isn’t very effective. Die hard fans are likely very annoyed; while most of us just roll our eyes and say “its not like they can kill off Beckett!”

        So I think it sort of fails for most categories of fans. Chuck has always handled finales better; by resolving current stories and hinting at what comes next.

        Jason I didn’t see so much of the brotherly/sisterly aspect for Castle and Beckett; it looked to me a pretty well done friendship. But I think going into S4 they’ve run into their own crisis point; they need to put the leads together now, the time has come. I think it reaches a point with opposite sex friendships where you have no business being with anyone else. I’ve seen with 100% correlation when someone says they’re best friends with someone (opposite sex) other than their spouse that their marriage is doomed. So to me, trying to keep them apart any further becomes artificial and false. They are now at the point Chuck and Sarah were at Colonel.

      • joe says:

        Thinkling, Casey has got more moles in the government than my dad has on his lawn! I think that hole’s covered. 😉

        Hey – I forgot about Mary being part of that too! Mary and Diane have a relationship that goes pretty far back, apparently. So I’m certain that if the General joins the Castle Underground, she will too.

        Now if only they can get Skip Johnson to join, their future success is assured.

      • armysfc says:

        dave…agree with you on the fact chuck handles finales better than most. castle had shock value it’s true but the hook to the shooting is who is the big fish? they took out the three in the hanger, now they have the big dawg to go after, that was the purpose of the shooting, not shock value.

      • thinkling says:

        Joe, LOL, I forgot about Casey’s moles. TeamB will have a whole special forces unit if they want them.

        You know who else was there for the blanket arrest … the Cat Squad. I wondered if they were fired, too. I have a feeling they would think it a worthy cause. More Bartowski operatives.

      • jason says:

        and I doubt roan montgomery would say no to sarah bartowski if she asked for his help, do any of you? Matter of fact, he might be the first person on the show to call her agent bartowski???? Then again, are rogue spies agents???

        Now that morgan has the intersect, it is going to be interesting who runs ops, in the final, mary ran ops both on the chuck / casey mission and also with casey on the chuck mission. My guess is they will all take turns, depending on the type of mission. One of my measures of season 5 will be just how often the Bartkowski’s go on missions together, just the two of them. If it is every episode, home run, knock it out of the park, if it is less than a half dozen, not good at all.

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah, Jason, I’m very jealous of CS screen time. I don’t mind if others tag along, but I want them together, either in the field or at the base, or … wherever.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah totally agree about keeping Chuck and Sarah together on missions.

  47. patty says:

    In the Bachelor Party episode the idea of your cover becoming reality was mentioned.

    Did anyone notice that Chuck is now Charles Charmichael for real? (Minus the America’s Cup contending Yacht)

    • atcDave says:

      So maybe S5 will be mainly about Chuck winning that America’s Cup.

    • thinkling says:

      Nice catch, Patty. Maybe he and Sarah can tango 😉

    • Amron says:

      Yes, that was one of the (many) parts that I loved from this episode: Chuck doesn’t need Carmichael anymore, he finally felt comfortable in his own skin, with no cover. He finally is “that guy”, even if he didn’t noticed completely…

    • joe says:

      I know what you mean, Patty. But I also something slightly different – just a nuance.

      When Chuck walked up to the Russian receptionist at VI, he took off the fake mustache, and started to say “I’m Charles Car…” Then he corrected himself. “…Chuck Bartowski.” It was like he was removing the fake identity completely. No more Carmichael. Chuck was the spy, and I although you can say that they’re one in the same, it was almost like the fictional Charles was gone now in favor of the “real” Chuck. I rather liked the idea! 😉

      • thinkling says:

        I liked that, too, Joe.

        And that it was Chuck Bartowski, sans Intersect, that parachuted onto the hospital sidewalk and confronted Decker, the man that made Casey blanch, with such steely calm. I can’t help wonder what his team, his mom, and the cats were thinking as he calmly announced the arrival of the Russian Airborn Division, courtesy of Volkoff Industries. (Personally I’ve never been more proud of him.) Then his race to Sarah’s room in his combat gear … impressive.

      • joe says:

        It’s partly because YOU write so well, Think, but I feel that pride too.

        Hundreds of comments here, and many have pointed out the things that give pause, or things that might have been done differently in a perfect world. But about 15 times a day I’ve been swept up in just those emotions from the episode.

        Sarah’s vows, Chuck’s reaction to them, his righteous anger when Chuck through the chair at Decker’s image on the monitor… wow.

        And that final image of two powerful people starting their own independent organization life together with their friends… I knew I’d be dwelling on it all week! And I am.

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah. Are we gushing, yet? 🙂

  48. Lola says:

    oh! By the way guys, Happy Internet day! Let us all exist in the virtual world!

  49. Amron says:

    So… what about next season? I have so many ideas on my mind about how it could be…
    1. I can’t wait to watch the Buymoron’s faces when they find who are the new owners.
    On that thoughts… Now that Morgan will be busy, who is going to be the new
    manager? Will Chuck and Sarah control it by themselves or will they trust again
    on Big Mike? Oh, and Lester reaction will be invaluable…
    2. Morgan. He will have to learn a lot for the Intersect master… and maybe -maybe
    the master will be a bit jealous… Also, what about Morgan’s promise to Alex
    about quitting? Seems to me that Alex will be the next “Ellie”. And the side
    effects of the Intersect on Morgan… what if it drives him in a Volkoff way? (Ok,
    that’s a little dark, but damn! I like dark… and the redemption part of it).
    3. The conspiracy. Finally, a good old CIA conspiracy. If everything was planned
    from the beginning, what was the purpose? Why the CIA wanted to turn Chuck
    into a spy? What is the ultimate purpose?
    4. Clara. I’m a fan of Clara. Why? Simple: because a good Uncle- niece scenes will
    be heartwarming. And it has a lot to potential: Sarah babysitting her, the baddies
    kidnapping her and then all the Bartowskis (and I mean all: Sarah and Mary
    included) giving hell to them… Yep, I want Clara in the story, please…
    5. Chuck as a billionaire. I don’t remember in which interview I read that, but seems
    like Fedak thinks Chuck is not exactly the best person to administrate money. Ha!
    I can see how he’s going to update all his electronics devices and video games… A
    24k Xbox 360 control, perhaps?

    • patty says:

      Actually I see Chuck throwing pretty much the entire fortune in to stop the bad guys. I think we will end up with Chuck pretty much broke but the bad guys defeated.

      • patty says:

        Sorry, should have changed one of the “pretty much’s”! I really hat editing in the itty bitty box!

    • thinkling says:

      Good specs and questions, Amron. I want more of Clara, too, especially CS babysitting her.

      My guess about manipulating Chuck to receive the Intersect is that it was to field test it. If finding a host was so difficult, and Chuck was indeed one of the few that could hold it, he was just a test subject to be used until such time as they could upload it into more (and better, to their way of thinking) operatives. Looks like that point was reached and operation Bartowski is no longer necessary.

      It was only his brilliant threat of exposure that is keeping them all alive. S5 stakes are high!

      Oh and I bet Chuck without the Intersect is a better spy than Morgan with it … at least on some levels.

      • Amron says:

        It better be! Really, if Morgan is better than Chuck just because the Intersect… well, that would be sad.

  50. Tamara Burks says:

    .Hartley’s personality was overwritten and while some info from his true personality bled through (the name Vivian for instance) Hartley was buried like an earlier version of a program which is why he didn’t emerge until the newer Volkoff personality was uninstalled and it’s info extracted.

    The Intersects that Chuck had were like installing a browser with a search engine and a whole lot of info in a person. You could call up the info first to see and then later it was like calling up the info could launch a program automatically. The Ellie altered intersect is like that but it also possibly writes a back up of the programs and skills to the operator (Chuck).

    Does this sound rambling or logical. I’ve got one heck of a migraine so I really can’t tell .

    • lappers84 says:

      That’s pretty good for someone with a migraine and I know what those feel like. Certainly an interesting theory Tamara 🙂

  51. Henry says:

    I don’t know if somebody already mentioned it (sorry, I didn’t read all the comments!) but my question is: How could Morgan need to be intersected? He already invented the deadliest move of all, The Morgan! 🙂

  52. Rick Holy says:

    343 comments! AWESOME!!! This is going to be a GREAT summer, just KNOWING that the Fall is going to greet us with MORE “CHUCK.” Whatever misgivings, fears, hopes, etc., we have about the season – lets suck in EVERY minute of those 13 precious episodes. I put myself in the group with some misgivings, but then I need to remind myself of a very important piece of advice: “DON’T FREAK OUT!” 🙂

    Happy trails, folks!!

    • Rick Holy says:

      Oh, one thing. I don’t want to “deny reality.” I realize that there are 13 episodes left – that apparently that’s what the studio, the network, and the showrunners have decided.

      But……… wasn’t SCRUBS on NBC for a number of years – and then “moved” to another network where it was on for a number of MORE years?? Not that I’d put any $$$ on that scenario playing out with CHUCK, but one NEVER KNOWS………

      • atcDave says:

        Exactly right Rick. We’ve already heard Fedak waffle on that some. I’d say there is definitely a slim chance of Chuck after 5.13.

      • thinkling says:

        Agree Rick. If it’s the last, which everything points to, I plan to enjoy every minute and treasure my Chuck collection for years to come.

        … But I’m certainly open to extreme possibilities … the CW anyone? Or USA?

        Dave, I missed the link to the Fedak interview where he waffled, does someone have the link?

      • atcDave says:

        Sorry I’m pretty stupid with links. It’s towards the bottom of the S4.5 spoiler page in a comment by Faith, labelled “Sepinwall“. He basically refuses to rule anything out.

        Obviously we should expect ending at 5.13 as the most likely scenario for now, but I think its unlikely they would end in such a way that it would hard to do later adventures.

      • atcDave says:

        Huh, looks like that worked.

        Anyway, Sepinwall just asks if there’s any chance of a back order and Fedak’s response is “never say never”.
        I read that as unlikely but not impossible.

      • thinkling says:

        Got it. Thanks.

  53. lappers84 says:

    I guess it depends now on the new slot. Chuck has been stuck on Monday nights I believe the entire series so far? Maybe Friday nights may invigorate the series, perhaps attract more people to the show and since we don’t have much competition that’s all very possible. And your right Rick Scrubs did change network (though can’t remember which season that happened) and it certainly did it some good, so I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

    • patty says:

      I used to watch SciFriday on Scifi. I really miss it. Maybe others do too.

      • atcDave says:

        Oh yeah, when both Stargates were on back to back was sort of a sci-fi golden age. The day of the week doesn’t really matter to me, well except Sundays during football season. But total audience is smaller on Friday nights, so it will be tough to get numbers. Of course the good news is, we won’t be up against such killer competition anymore. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.

      • patty says:

        Stargate SG1 was the last thing I liked as much as Chuck. It started when my daughter was in kindegarten, she is now 20! Really good shows are few and far between.

      • atcDave says:

        And you know I’ve often cited SG1 as an example of reinventing and keeping a show fresh for a long run.

        It was my favorite show for many seasons (I discovered during S4, I remember playing catch up, at one point watching three different seasons at a time, wow!) I was very disappointed when it was canceled, story broke the day the 200th episode ran, what a downer.

      • Amron says:

        Well, at least we already know Chuck is going to have a well-wrapped end… I hope. You never know with Fedak…

  54. Rick Holy says:

    Hey folks. I haven’t read ALL the 300 plus posts on this thread, so if this has been mentioned, just let me know.

    Weren’t we hearing a couple of months back that “SOMEONE” (in the Chuck ‘verse) was going to DIE??? Am I imagining that, or was it being “talked up” some???

    I don’t see that anyone died (or am I having a brain fart?). Unless of course you consider Alexi Vlokoff as “dying,” with the return of Hartley.

    And SOMEBODY help me because my memory is lousy. Before “Volkoff” first appeared, when Chuck met him as Mary’s handler, did he go by the name Hartley, or was it something else? I think it may have been something else, but just can’t remember.

    • joe says:

      Oh yeah! And it was supposed to be a beloved character.

      I suspect Fedak (that’s right. Isn’t it?) was talking about the moment when Chuck and Ellie administer the antidote, Chuck is kneeling besides Sarah, Ellie looks beyond worried and the screen fades to black. We’re supposed to be left wondering if Chuck was on time and if Sarah is going to make it.

      The very next scene after the break is of the chapel and it’s sign which reads “Funeral and Viewing 3 PM”.

      Of course, the camera pans down to reveal what happens at 4 PM just in time to save the faint of heart in the audience, and I think Fedak has had his little joke (Mua-ha!).

      Oh, and he was Tuttle!

      • Rick Holy says:

        You’re right – he DID say “beloved” character. I don’t follow other shows – actually I only WATCH a few other show – like I do CHUCK. But do other showrunners put out b.s. like that only to NOT have it come to fruition? (Not like I was actually HOPING a beloved character would die).

        Relating to a previous thread, someone commented that Schwedak seem to address/treat their CHUCK audience in their interviews like they address/treat their (or at least Schwartz’s) Gossip Girl audience.

        Not really bright, if you ask me. But then again, what do I know?

      • thinkling says:

        I think he said something terrible happens to someone we love, and didn’t rule out death, but neither did he ever say (that I know of) that for sure someone would die. I know death was confirmed as possible, but never definite.

      • atcDave says:

        We did get some spoilers that were pushing it. Thinkling is right about the “something terrible happens to someone we love” which of course, was Sarah.
        They also said at one point a regular character would be tortured, I believe that was Jeff in Agent X.
        But the really weird one was something about Chuck and Sarah on separate ends of the Earth in Last Details, and Sarah would be somewhere Korean was spoken. Heh, maybe in the deleted scenes…

      • armysfc says:

        dave…i actually think they got messed up. chuck was sent on the mission (can’t remember the country) sarah was with him and spoke in the other language. the spoiler thought it was korean. i think that caused the disconnect. they thought chuck and sarah were in different places, but they were together.

      • atcDave says:

        That’s a really weird disconnect army. Sarah spoke Spanish which isn’t at all like Korean. And they specifically said Chuck and Sarah would be at opposite ends of the Earth.

        Unfortunately I don’t remember who “they” were; but it was very specific and very wrong.

      • joe says:

        Looks like we need some sort of spoiler analysis thread. All spoilers are NOT created equal, it appears.

      • armysfc says:

        dave thats what i was saying the spoiler said they thought it was korean. i guess how it was viewed (if thats how they got it) chuck was ordered some where. then the scene where sarah ordered the food chuck was off to the side and not in that shot. so with all the hanging stuff they might have gotten confused. it also said korea town with a ? in it. so if they viewed those snippets instead of the whole scene you could get the impression they were in two places worlds away.

      • thinkling says:

        Dave, I’ve been thinking about the spoilers, and I’m a wee bit ticked off about them. We’ve talked about our wholesale disagreement with TPTB’s promotion strategy. However … whereas their spoilers were misleading, they weren’t out and out false. TPTB never said for certain someone would die; they just said something terrible would happen to someone we love and that they wouldn’t rule out death as a possibility (something they have always said — nobody is safe … of course I do assume that Chuck and Sarah are safe). We began speculating who they might kill off. By a week or two before the finale, we knew it would be Sarah, and no one really thought she would die. We did fear that it might put the wedding in jeopardy, but reason dictated that the wedding had to happen. Of course they played coy and wouldn’t let us anticipate the wedding without the shadow of doubt they cast over it. I will say that the interviews with the cast helped, because their version of coy is more playful and transparent. Let Yvonne do the interviews, please.

        The Last Details spoiler originated here. It was clearly false and couldn’t have come from an official source. It made a lot of people mad or despondent about the penultimate episode. If it was someone mistaking Sarah’s Spanish for Korean, they have no business writing scoops and spoilers. Sorry. It’s irresponsible at best or intentionally misleading (euphemistically speaking), like Dr’s stuff. And like you said, confusing Spanish for Korean … shouldn’t happen.

        The other spoiler that I’m kicking myself for having given it any credence at all, considering the source, is the “dream wedding.” The official source for that was DR (and apparently Mel). Is there any official blog correctness rule I need to follow here? I’ll try. DR seems to love to stir up angst among shippers (I think that’s a true statement). His spoilers are never (maybe I should give him a 3% margin) accurate. For his spoilers to be true, you have to thread a microscopic needle, and then when you see how they are true, you realize that, though true, they are not accurate. Two examples. The proposal … he was flat out wrong. He said it would be happen in the back 11 if at all. He said that shortly after the back order was announced. The dream wedding … you have to thread a tiny needle to twist the flash back of practicing their vows into a “dream wedding.” And even at that it’s not at all accurate. (It’s a shame, because it was one of the sweetest scenes ever, but it was more of a memory than a dream, and it did nothing to take away from or substitute the real wedding, as was implied.) But fans took the dream wedding spec and ran with it. And I was one, even knowing the source. Like I said, I’m kicking myself for taking the bait and letting it diminish my expectations for the finale.

        All of those factors: TPTB’s love of the tease, incorrect spoilers, intentionally misleading spoilers, and lingering trust issues created anxiety about the last two episodes. Some people even gave up. Pity, because the last two episodes were some of the very best of Chuck.

        My vows for S5, I’m going to relax and look forward to it. I’ll trust TPTB to tell me a great story, because they did this season. I’ll pay no attention to the man behind the DR curtain. I’ll pay attention to official spoilers, realizing that they are written to entice and are thin at best. When TPTB talk, I’ll listen with a refined ear and a discriminating mind to parse the truth from the tease. It’s always there.

        I don’t know if this interview has been noted, so I’ll include the reference below. TV-line (Ausiello, I think) congratulated CF for his “premise-altering” (read game changing) finale and likened the show now to “Hart to Hart.” Here’s CF’s reply, which should excite a lot of people:

        I actually think it’s Hart to Hart meets The A-Team. I can’t wait.

      • jason says:

        think – be careful about what you post – joe flamed me for going in that direction – then wasn’t up to apologizing when I called him on it (i.e first that many go there and second, I was not even the one who brought it up) – I guess some bloggers are protected, others have to fend for themselves

      • thinkling says:

        Jason, I’m not flaming anybody here, not you or anyone else. I said nothing about any commenter on this blog, except myself. What I’ve said about spoilers released elsewhere is true, to the best of my knowledge.

        I think it’s irresponsible to release spoilers without fact checking and being certain, as in the Korea spoiler. I think inciting angst or strife among fans with intentionally misleading spoilers is even worse. None of that applies to you or anyone who has posted on this blog.

        I chided myself for having gotten so bent out of shape by a spoiler from a notoriously questionable source.

        That’s my objective analysis of the spoilers and my subjective annalysis of my own reaction to them … nothing more.

      • Big Kev says:

        Can’t remember which of DR’s spoilers turned out to be true and which didn’t, but that Korea one sticks out as being completely wrong – and unusual for that.
        Who needs spoilers anyway when you can just wait for NBC to give you the finale twist in a press pack?? 🙂

      • jason says:

        think – i agree with what you wrote and did not accuse you of any wrong doing, you are probably my favorite poster here, for the volume you publish, you get it right near 100% – keep up the good work – what is did write was to you was to be careful, since I wrote much less on the same subject around 4×13 and got told what I said was inappropriate, even though I did not even bring the issue up

      • thinkling says:

        Ah, OK, Jason I got it now, thanks. Sorry, I completely misunderstood your comment. You were worried about my daily portion of gruel … I appreciate it. 😉 😀

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Thinkling you’re completely right about spoilers. I was under the impression the “Korean” thing was more official than it was. At least the “dream wedding” spoiler I knew I hadn’t seen in an official source, but I still got carried away by it.

        I think generally I had a better experience with spoilers this season than last; mainly based on Fedak’s comments that they were done with wt/wt and S4 would be about “family”. So by filtering through that I rarely got too upset by spoilers last season.
        As of now, I like “Hart to Hart meets A-Team” description for S5. That may be the filter I use, but we’ll see what comes out at Comic Con.

      • McNugget says:

        The last details spoiler about Chuck and Sarah being on opposite sides of the planet came from Kristen over @Eonline ( well from her coworkers that were taking over for her during maternity leave ) . They also said that Sarah’s bachelorette party would have a bad guy dressed as a stripper . That also was false . On the subject of DR , he never said that the proposal/wedding wouldn’t be in 3.13 , he said once they got the order for the back 11 that they slowed things down between Chuck and Sarah . He was technically right , since Schwartz said he told Fedak to put all of that in episode 13 because they didn’t think they would get the extra order . Fedak though didn’t listen to him lol and it turned out ok 🙂 . The thing with DR’s spoilers is that he’ll either post something or give a vague reply in the comments of his blog then someone will not get the context of the posting/comment and jump to an conclusion and go to another site and post it as FACT . I’m not agreeing in anyway that that is necessarily the right way or the way I would go about it . But he has a source/sources that pass along information to him and it’s up to him how he dishes it out .

    • patty says:

      Oh. I love the idea of Hart to Hart meets the A-team! I would point out that the A-Team female character was dropped and according to an interview it was because “No one would beleive a woman doing Karate, that’s just stupid. ” or words to that effect in TV Guide. Iwas about 16 and it really ticked me off! (OK, so it still ticks me off!!) How far we have come!!! 😀

      • thinkling says:

        TV Guide clearly never met Yvonne. 😉 She’s unusual in being able to pull of both of those types.

        This could be so fun.

  55. Rick Holy says:

    One more thing – and again, if already mentioned, SORRY!

    On “re-watch,” I think the funniest line was Casey’s.

    When Hartley sees Ronald Reagan’s picture and asks, “Is he still in charge” or “Is he still President?” or whatever it was, Casey responds “IF ONLY !!” THAT was genius!

    • joe says:

      Oh gee, Fr. Rick! Wrong, wrong wrong!!! Casey’s funniest line has to be “Russians. So many Russians!”

      There! Refute that well considered argument!!! 😉

      • Rick Holy says:

        “There ain’t no good guys……..” 😉

        Sorry, but I’m sticking with “IF ONLY !!” (re: Reagan)

      • Henry says:

        Sorry, but the best Casey’s line is: “Shut up. You’re Chuck Bartowski, the second best spy I’ve ever worked with. Now you’re gonna go save the best one.”
        There’s 4 years of character’s development (the three of them) in one sentence, IMO…

    • jason says:

      rick – tuttle – on rewatch – try listing the ten things you liked most, it is really difficult – one odd little thing from the show – during the vows – awesome’s smile – reflected how I felt at that point – it was well awesome – yet sarah’s trumped his in spades – has she ever looked more radiant?

      • Rick Holy says:

        Yvonne/Sarah ALWAYS is stunning to me. But you’re right, she was “aglow.” And Awesome’s smile was a keeper. The “Awesome” highlight of the episode for me, however, was his clocking the CIA agent in the hospital hall way. Reminded me of his “gung-ho-ed-ness” in “Vs. Santa Claus” to take out Ned.

      • Amron says:

        I agree with Rick. Awesome moment goes to his punch to the CIA. And the best line of Casey.. well, to me it wasn’t a line but his face at the wedding… He smiled and cried, for God’s sake! That was both funny and heartwarming…

      • jason says:

        I wrote earlier that this ep was second only to honeymooners, it was things like casey face at the wedding, his line to chuck about the 2nd best spy saving the best spy, his Reagan or russians line, mamab saying don’t drive so fast, all the little stuff was so good, and yes ellie, devon, go knock him out, devon to morgan, make a fist and hit him as hard as you can, the dollie and twisty fake wedding rings, just so much. But I am not sure anything topped the basement at the end, sarah & chuck doing what I knew was this shows best stuff for 2 minutes, if only TPTB will give us 13 eps of Bart to Bart in season 5.

      • joe says:

        You know, there’s something I always see in behind the scenes clips of Yvonne. She’s got a kind of tomboyish playfulness in her that Sarah did not have, I think, especially at first. She’s very quick with a laugh!

        But that same joie de vivre came through when Sarah had the doily on her head, doing the practice vows and when Chuck gave his extemporaneously. I like it! I hope it’s a permanent part of Sarah’s character now.

      • joe says:

        Ack – Jason, I keep forgetting to check. I hear that Sarah’s wearing the twisty wedding band on the chapel steps right after the ceremony!

        Yet another one of those reasons why watching once just ain’t enuf!

      • thinkling says:

        Joe, that’s a good way of putting it. In the doily scene, she not only had that Joie de vivre, but it was infused with such innocence and transparency.

        As for her smiles and laughter and look of utter happiness, the walk to the limo can’t be beat. It’s hard to pick Yvonne’s most stunning/beautiful moment, but I think the wedding takes it.

        I’m going with Casey’s face at the wedding as his best moment among several really great Casey moments, like the whole way through.

        And yes, both bride and groom sport matching twisty ties from the chapel steps to the limo until after the honeymoon.

      • jason says:

        joe -remember when she said hello boys in the castle gobbler scene – she had the same sort of look when she asked casey / morgan if they wanted a job – & several other times during the bart to bart scene at the end – she emoted a kind of cockiness / happiness / giddyness – if only that is the theme of season 5 – I can hope at this point at least.

      • joe says:

        That’s the right word, Thinkling – Transparency! Sarah didn’t have that at first. She was inscrutable and – opaque. Not any more!

        Jason, you’re right – she had that same look in Gobble saying “Hello, boys.” as she did at the ending scene in Castle. Oooohhhh. I just realized…

        That “Hello, boys.” struck me very much like something out of Mae West in the 1920s and ’30s. And what I saw when Sarah was next to Chuck and they were revealing themselves as the new chief operatives of a brand new spy organization, was that same kind of mature confidence that I see in movies from that golden era, the one that includes Wm. Powell and Myrna Loy. I’ve been fighting to describe it as a kind of classic elegance I associate with that era.

        There’s something about the way we live today that keeps us insecure and self-conscious much later in life. It’s reflected in the movies where 30 and 40 year olds seem lost – think Renee Zellweger and Adam Sandler.

        Are their characters comparable to ones played by, say Clark Gable (Rhett Butler) or Lauren Bacall (with Bogey in To Have and Have Not)? Even Julia Roberts and George Clooney don’t quite compare.

        Not to make too much of it, but Zac and Yvonne are the first actors I’ve seen in quite a while to show me that same kind of elegant maturity. I saw it in that final scene.

      • Anonymous says:

        Lauren Bacall was 19 years old when she made To Have and Have Not With Bogart, who was in his early 40s…

        Strahovski is not as pretty, but she’s a better actor than Bacall, who started as a model. She and Levi (who I don’t think is a particularly good dramatic actor) have movie-star chemistry together, that’s for sure. Which makes (ulp…) Season 3 all the more inexplicable for keeping them apart on the screen so much. And even more strange is that the showrunners have admitted that they weren’t sure Strahovski and Levi would work together well as a couple until they saw Honeymooners.

        What were THEY watching? Most everyone else saw it in the pilot. How did the showrunners miss it for 48 episodes?

      • jason says:

        dramatic chuck suffers from a regular cast that is short dramatic actors (they tend to import the drama, but that can only take a show so far, and even dalton turned out to be best as zany, quirky, rather than riveting or chilling). But, I agree about zac, he is more something more akin to dick van dyke or at best robert wagner (yep – the hart to hart guy) than Bogart. Yvonne, I don’t know, part of my interest in the future is just how good is she? I could see her landing a role in a half hour sitcom, in a one hour action drama, or near strictly on the big screen, say like Jennifer Gardner did. I think Zac is going to be a hollywood mogul, producer, director, actor, singer, maybe even screen actor guild president, all round big shot.

      • thinkling says:

        What were THEY watching? Most everyone else saw it in the pilot. How did the showrunners miss it for 48 episodes?

        No kidding!!! It boggles the mind.

      • Big Kev says:

        Zac’s on record as saying he wants to be the next Tom Hanks – I can totally see that.
        Yvonne is more interesting. She doesn’t seem like someone who is particularly comfortable playing the Hollywood game, and doing the publicity rounds, so it’ll be interesting to see how she handles things if The Killer Elite or My Mother’s Curse really take her career up a couple of levels.

      • patty says:

        Zac reminds me of Cary Grant’s comedic style.

      • joe says:

        Hey! I just realized that you can see the twisty on Yvonne’s finger in the still I used for this post!

        How cool is that?!

      • thinkling says:

        It is cool, Joe. I’ve been trying to figure that out since the picture was posted. Didn’t get it until I watched the episode. You can also see them in the EPK interviews.

      • Bill says:

        Yvonne exhibits far more dramatic range on the show than any of the other actors. Mad at herself (when she pulls off the ninja mask) … disgusted (when she throws her cell phone in the pool) … angry (when she is working the heavy bag) … joyous (in various Chiffhanger scenes) … embarrassed (when Casey is reviewing her expenses when in DC with Shaw) [although there is no solid evidence that she ever slept with Shaw] … apprehensive (when she hesitates before answering Chuck’s “DYLM question) … sad (when Chuck tells her that she can never be normal) … despairing (in the scene at Dr. Dreyfus’s door when she thinks that she lose Chuck to something over which she has no control). Just before Casey appears she is about two seconds from a total breakdown. TPTB cut it off at that point because, I’m guessing, it would be too heavy for the show. But if you saw the Aussie flick “I love you too” you saw that she can go there.

        It seems that TPTB have somewhat constrained the dynamic range of the drama. The closest Chuck and Sarah have had to a really passionate scene was in the Colonel (oh yeah, and the look on her face when Chuck got up to go get a condom was ecstasy). After that it has been pretty much constrained to kissy-face. I can understand why. Too dramatic wouldn’t work. But they need enough to get the emotional interaction out on the table.

        I’m rambling. The point is that Yvonne didn’t land roles in movies with Pacino and Streisand just because she was cute. It remains to be seen if these roles give her the latitude to show her stuff. I certainly hope so. And I hope that the movies are successful enough to get her out in front of the general public.

        As to her not seeming to play the Hollywood game. Maybe that’s a good thing. Let the work speak for itself. It certainly has on Chuck.

      • atcDave says:

        There’s no doubt Yvonne has real talent. Of it also takes a measure of luck and good timing to really make it big. But I think it’s reasonable to think she’ll enjoy at least some success in her career.

      • thinkling says:

        Scrollin, scrolling, scrolling. Keep them fingers scrolling. Long thread.

        I agree, Bill. Yvonne does have the greatest range on the show. You left out her comedy and action. I think the end of FOD was one of her best scenes, and the wedding in Cliff Hanger was great. Her teary eyes at Chuck’s vows and her brilliant smile. The practice vows were great, too.

        I wish her success and hope she chooses her opportunities well. You’re right, you don’t end up with Pacino and Streisand just on looks. It has to be skill because I don’t think she’s all that connected.

      • joe says:

        Hey, lookie everyone! Thinkling’s dating herself!!! 😉

      • atcDave says:

        That sounds like a pretty extreme social disorder; besides, I thought Thinkling was married…

      • joe says:

        Not too extreme, Dave. I dated myself the very moment I referenced Mae West recently…

      • Bill says:

        One other thought about Yvonne. She is obviously a beautiful girl, but not for the obvious reasons. That she got voted so high on the hottest woman on TV lists was interesting because: on Chuck she doesn’t play exotic, erotic, or seductive … more like girl next door. And nothing about her particularly stands out such that she is characterized by it (i. e., no angelina Jolie lips, no Anne Hathaway eyes, no Farrah Fawcett teeth … and she’s not built like Marilyn Monroe). But that’s exactly it. Nothing stands out. Everything is in perfect proportion and balanced … that’s the definition of classical beauty. And that delicate balance, I think, contributes to her ability to move away from beautiful toward plain when necessary (without the need for excessive makeup)—like the Jenny Burton sequences—and it extends her range. She can adopt an unpleasant attitude, throwing a mean stare, and you’re not distracted by her underlying looks, then the next minute she can flash a smile and all you see is beautiful.

    • Oregon Lt3 says:

      The Colonel ruled this episode! “if only!” is tops, Followed by “Thats smart, Reagan smart”.
      OK, the “second best spy” line is probably technically the best but any Casey/Reagan scene gets a salute from me!

      • joe says:

        Paging Ernie Davis! Paging Ernie Davis! Looks like we need a pole for The Best Casey Line in The Cliffhanger!

  56. lappers84 says:

    Ok so I’ve started on my marathon run through of Chuck, so far up to Sandworm. I decided to make my own notes of things I’d love to see in season 5 even if just mentioned in passing between characters (for example if Chuck ever found out that Sarah was the ninja in the pilot). I’ve also decided to note how many times Charah theme is played throughout the series (so far counted twice), once at the end of Helicopter and again in Wookie. 🙂

    • thinkling says:

      Random alert!

      You hit on my only complaint about the pilot … the ninja. The stunt person they used was in no way anywhere close to Sarah’s body type … had to be a man. That bothers me every time I watch it.

      Sorry. I feel better now. Anybody else ever notice that?

      • Bill says:

        Yvonne says that she did all her fight scenes (although I would have to questions some of the more gymnastic elements, say, on the fashion runway), and this wasn’t all that different from the fight scenes, so I wonder why she wouldn’t have done this one too?

      • lappers84 says:

        hmmm still not sure, though it would still be funny if it came up in the future.

      • Rick Holy says:

        Yep. It was a dude – no doubt. I THOUGHT I remember an old interview with Yvonne saying that she was “delayed” in getting to the U.S. when the Pilot starting filming. Maybe they tried to shoot as many scenes as they could at first that didn’t require her presence. Thus “the dude” ninja!

      • thinkling says:

        That would explain it, but they could have chosen a smaller dude and reshaped him a little. As Joe would say … Ack.

      • patty says:

        Gee Thanks, Thinkling. that never bugged me before and when i rewatched it last night it was all I could think about!

      • thinkling says:

        Sorry, Patty. 😐

    • Ernie Davis says:

      Yvonne does quite a lot of her own fight scenes, you can tell from Phase 3 and Suitcase closeups that it is her doing the kicks and (some of) the flips and cartwheels. The key is, like with Zac they have to walk a fine line. A bruise on the face or, god forbid, a broken nose or more serious injury, and production shuts down. So like Zac, even if she is capable, they won’t risk her beyond a certain point if it isn’t absolutely necessary. As for the ninja in the pilot, that’s always bugged me too, but the ninja was using very specific and stylized moves that require a lot of martial arts training to get right. At the time of the pilot I can see using a stand-in for those, though yes, the double looks more like Zac’s stunt double than Yvonne’s.

      • atcDave says:

        I always figured the ninja in the Pilot was just as much about faking out the audience as it was for any stunt work issue.

        But I agree, it was a bad move.

  57. Bill says:

    “question”. sorry for typos.

    • herder says:

      After seeing the behind the scenes photos I was watching closely on a rewatch, they used the twist ties as wedding rings in the actual wedding and not just in the dry run. You can see it clearly for Sarah when she hugs Ellie outside the church and for both of them in the limo while talking to Hartley. Kind of a neat tie back to the dry run that ran through out the episode, they didn’t make much of it so I would guess that we will see more of it in the out-takes of season four in the DVD.

  58. luckygirl says:

    I find it hilarious that Chuck started the season 43,000 in debt and ended the season an almost billionaire. Talk about a change in fortune.

  59. Henry says:

    BTW, it’s De Niro, not Pacino… 😉

  60. herder says:

    I think that I have to point out how well TPTB do finales, they take alot of heat when they do something poorly so in fairness I think that they should get credit for well done finales. Bones ended with a mortally(?) shot Beckett and Castle saying he loved her, Fringe ended with a very confusing episode that removed Peter from the universe, BBT ended with Penny sleeping with Raj and Bones ended with her pregnant but no payoff for six years of wtwt.

    The only finale that comes close to Chuck’s is Parks and Recreation (and maybe Community) in the sense that they were fun and enjoyable without a big let down at the end. Of course this is all somewhat subjective in the sense that it is dependant on both my view of the Cliffhanger and which other shows I watch even occasionally. But the point remains, compared to other shows, our season finale was at the top of the pile.

    • joe says:

      Heh! You made me do a complete double take, Herder. Well executed!

      Yeah, after seeing TBBT last night and fuming about it ever since, I absolutely agree. I’m sorry that I can’t give proper credit here, but someone mentioned yesterday how they’ve been spoiled by Chuck, and that’s exactly the way I’ve been feeling. I gave up a while ago on most of those couples. My foot is tapping in a display of impatience with Tony and Ziva too (unless Gibbs and M. Allison Hart get together first, or Tim and Abby…)

      I’M SPOILED, I tell ya.

    • armysfc says:

      well i feel just the opposite, lol. TBBT let you know up front it was going to happen, penny said she’d sleep with him if they weren’t friends so i saw that coming. plus it’s a straight comedy. Bones gave it up last week, you just had to watch Angela and Bones reactions. plus i don’t ship anyone so wt/wt doesn’t bug me. Castle, ya know she doesn’t die so it was fairly useless i agree. Chucks was the worse by far. it COULD completely change the dynamic of the show. hear me out before you toss the tar and feathers.

      chuck no longer depends on the intersect. he’s good without it. why i don’t like it is because it elevates a secondary character to top status, maybe. take all the times this year where chuck used the intel from the intersect, then his own smarts to find a solution. in 4.01 he flashed on the menu and that led him to volkoff, in coup he got more info about volkoff and his mom, in a-team he got the detonator info and figured out apple juice could short it out. those little things will be done by morgan. even in honeymooners he used the language skill to get the pills to knock out the guys on the train. that can’t happen now.

      can they make it work? sure why not. will it be funny? maybe. why they decided to go this way confuses me. if they ended it just before mogan got intersected, with a shot of the box it would have been better. best thing is i am not alone on this. mel is begging people to give it a chance because they got so many bad reviews, lol. well thats my 2 cents.

      • patty says:

        Morgan does not have Chuck’s huge personal (non-intersect) pool of basic knowledge (aside from pop-culture trivia). I think he also lacks Chucks analytical ability. When Morgan flashes on info Chuck will have to probe for more.

        EX “OK, so the nuke is not in the Intersect, what about the parts of the nuke, Can you flash on the detonator?” In that case Chuck was better than Greta Rick because he knew HOW to use the Intersect and Rick just gave up on the first flash. “Oh my God we’re all gonna die!”

        THEN he was able to apply personal knowledge to make the salt water/apple juice connection.

      • thinkling says:

        I agree, Patty. It was Chuck that made the Intersect and not the other way around. That said, I’m curious to see how they might fill in the obvious gaps that will be left because the Intersect is gone from Chuck. And, as you point out, for TeamB the Intersect will not be nearly the tool it was when it was in Chuck.

    • atcDave says:

      Herder I agree 110%. Chuck’s finale was one of the most enjoyable I’ve ever seen, and really every season finale they’ve done has been masterful. My wife was fuming after Castle, and what a lousey send off to the summer that was; but Chuck had us both grinning ear to ear.. Chuck has consistently been a good performer on finales and this year was no exception, exciting edge of the seat stuff all the way through and they finished up with a huge laugh and fun things to ponder in the off season. We’ve heard Fedak speak to his philosophy of doing “fun” cliffhangers and he sure has shown a nice touch with them (at least in the finales!).

      You know I’ve been vocal about my dislikes in the past, especially anything related to S3; but S4 was the complete opposite. Bad moments and endings were the exception not the rule, and in the end it all worked for the good by building tension and drama while maintaining a sense of fun. Seriously, in all my life the only television I’ve ever enjoyed as much as Chuck S4 was probably Chuck S2. And when you add in how highly I thought of Chuck S1 and even the end of S3; there is no doubt this is my favorite series ever.

      • thinkling says:

        Ditto all, Dave. This was the best finale ever … and better because there’s more to come.

        Agreed Herder, they do finales better than anybody.

      • jason says:

        smallville’s end left me baffled & underwhelmed, I wonder if hardcore Smallville fans liked it? How it ended made all the comic book mythology work I guess, but I didn’t quite get why lois and clark waited 7 yrs to get engaged again? Did lois also get given tess’s forget powder? From my POV, the showrunners would have been better off making lana / hannah / kristen kruek mysteriously become lois lane around season 3, maybe as an alias …. lois on smallville never did it for me, lana and clark had that thing, tv chemistry, the kind I know when I see.

      • atcDave says:

        Jason I do agree about Smallville’s ending being underwhelming; but not about Kristen Kruek! From S4 on I pretty much cringed every time I saw her on screen, I think Lana may be one of the characters I’ve disliked most on any show I didn’t just stop watching outright. I think Smallville is pretty much the poster child for teen angst; even as the characters “grew up” they ALL made irrational, out of the blue decisions that often made no sense with things we previously “knew” about those characters. I think I deleted the series off my DVR three different times in disgust, and going back because I like the Superman myth, AND every now and then they’d hit it out of the park with a really good episode. But my overall enthusiasm was really low by the end of the series. I likely would have skipped S10 if I hadn’t known it was supposed to be the end.

      • jason says:

        @dave – really – I do agree about smallville being up and down over the ten seasons, but for me, lana & clark and to a certain extent lex & clark, both were so great together, that the show really struggled to take its own mythology back – i.e. lex hates clark and lana is irrelevant – but again, that is just me

      • thinkling says:

        Might as well add my Smallville 2c.

        I was so relieved when the Lana drama years were over. That said, I liked KK just not Lana and especially not Lana/Clark teen angst … major eye role … one could develop a permanent tic.

        I like the stand alone episodes better, as a rule, than the mythology episodes. I liked Lois … and Lois/Clark and their romance. I’m assuming (re: finale) that from the interrupted wedding on, they had been together those 7 years, but that every time they tried to get to the altar, something got in the way (and was going to again). That was the only way they could let LC be together without totally stomping on canon.

        I was ready for it to end … kind of hung on thru 10 just to see it through.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Thinkling, pretty much agree with all that.

  61. Verkan_Vall says:

    I really enjoyed this episode, just the escape I needed. Not enough Yvonne, of course, but they did a good job of wrapping things up, and the intersecting of Morgan takes the show back to its roots in S1 in a way. If they don’t try to make it the Morgan show, it could be a lot of fun.

    I’m with those of you who think that TPTB should have promoted the wedding differently; the way they did it was a missed opportunity, and a big one. Fans who left during S3 WILL come back IF we can get them to just watch a good S4 episode, and the finale was the best shot at that. I’m not surprised though; marketing for Chuck has been a mess since the beginning of season 3.

    I’m glad we got a season 5 (against the odds) but 2 things worry me:

    1. Shaw – if TPTB do bring him back and don’t prep it right, they’ll lose more viewers.

    2. No restraints on Schwarz and Fedak. They’ll be tempted to do the last 13 episodes the way they always wanted, and the last time they tried that we got S3, Misery and the show lost millions of viewers.

    I’m glad we got more Chuck, but I hope they don’t screw this up.

    • atcDave says:

      So far, the S5 descriptions we’ve seen from Fedak and McNeill have been Hart to Hart meets A-Team; which I take to mean a lot of fun and not much angst. We may not hear much more until Comic Con.

      I’m not too worried about ratings for S5; maybe if we get off to a really strong start…
      But basically I think everyone can assume its 13 and done. While I wish it were more, the good news is, not much ratings angst!

      • ArmySFC says:

        dave…i agree on them getting to a strong start. i think people will tune in to see how they handle morgan as the intersect. after that it gets dicey, lol. many people like morgan but only in small doses. they also don’t want chuck to play second fiddle to him. that complaint was brought up here during the season when morgan became all knowing in some episodes and chuck fell off some. if they go to far (like they usually do) it’s a good thing ratings don’t matter.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree with your take on Morgan exactly.

        Although I may have been misunderstood about the strong start. If ratings are VERY good for the first 2 or 3 episodes NBC might revisit the back order idea.
        But for a show starting its 5th season that’s sort of a long shot. Most likely scenario is typical Chuck ratings, that won’t matter because the show will be 13 and done.

      • ArmySFC says:

        dave…don’t get me wrong, if by some freak of nature occurrence chuck draws 2.0-2.5 for half the season on friday, more episodes won’t surprise me. those ratings would be gold on friday. i dont see that happening especially with morgan as the intersect over the long haul.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah, that’s pretty much what I was saying.

    • ArmySFC says:

      VV…some thoughts. on 1) what does it matter? they said 13 and done. yeah there is a small chance for more but not likely. 2) they already are, lol. if you listened to mels pod cast it comes out that fedak made morgan the intersect because he wanted to get JG more time because he likes him and thinks he’s funny. that should also give you an indication of how much they will use morgan.

      forget for a minute WHO is the intersect. in most episodes what is an intricate part of most missions? the intersect. even when chuck was supposed to stay in the car the intersect had to be there. the intersect is what gave them an advantage. even with chuck as good as he is now he still had an edge because of it.

      how they cut back on the intersect being needed could be fun. if they use it as much as they have, the intersect will be involved in each mission. that equates to more morgan, and more time spent protecting him. you will see in the fall.

    • Big Kev says:

      Man, you’re a tough crowd! 🙂 S4 was light and fluffy, with no angst at all, and you’re still worried about potential angst in S5? With an intersected Morgan?? Not gonna happen. If you loved S4 you’re going to love S5. Relax and enjoy it.

    • herder says:

      If anything I think that they will be more likely to try and tie up all the loose ends that they have laid out over the past four years: Project Omaha, RIOS, why Sarah was given Eve Shaw as her red test, what it was that Papa B feared that the CIA would do with the intersect and the like.

      I think that we will get more flashbacks than before as they try to tie everything to one over arching story, heck maybe even Chuck’s chart, Paris and the Bracelet will make a comeback.

      • thinkling says:

        I’d like some closure on some of those things, but I’d hate to have a whole season of flashbacks and retcons to “explain” everything. I want to blaze some fresh new trails with “Hart to Hart meets the A-Team.” A S5 that’s just a commentary on the first 3 seasons would be a waste of a gift. But maybe that’s just me.

      • jason says:

        me too – I hate all the mythology, retcons, callbacks, etc – give me 13 standalone, procedural hart to hart meets A team eps and I’ll be fine, no orion, no isis, no omaha, no bryce, no graham, and certainly no shaw or clyde deckar (he was the first victim of FF’ing on rewatch of 4×24, FF all things clyde) – yuk

      • Big Kev says:

        I hate to say it, because at it’s best this show is capable of so much more than 13 episodes of rinse and repeat…..but I agree with you. If they can’t write an arc that holds together with a sustained payoff, or a mythology that needs a rewrite half way through the season, they shouldn’t bother. They do characters brilliantly, but their plots, arcs and mythology have got progressively worse since S2. Standalones with some backstory is a limited concept for a season, to me – but at this point I think it’s what they should do.

      • armysfc says:

        kev… agreed. except for getting the characters right, they do not do the other stuff well. i would like them to stay away from back stories as well. i don’t feel the final season with limited episodes is the time to show how a person go to be in season 1 when you spent 4 seasons changing them.

        thats the one thing that worries me about morgan. why use the last season to prove to us that chuck is special and can master the intersect? i already know that from what we have seen before. give me 12 well crafted entertaining episodes, maybe a small well done 3 episode arc and save the series finale as a flash forward to show what our hero’s are up to.

      • JC says:

        Gotta agree with everyone. I love the mythology, spy stories, etc but since the Orion arc they haven’t worked or had any real payoff. And IMO it’s even tainted the previous ones. So the idea of them trying to tie four seasons worth of stories into a gigantic conspiracy worries me for S5. Look at the reactions to the Agent X reveal, can you imagine a whole season of that. Stick to episodes like Seduction Impossible, throw in some Cat Squad and Sarah’s mother and go out with a bang.

      • atcDave says:

        You guys know I agree this show is all about characters and does best with the more episodic format. I think we’re bound to get some more mythology episodes too though; and I really look forward to seeing Decker get taken down, he would be a fun recurring villain.

      • thinkling says:

        I like the idea that someone has been behind the Intersect project from the beginning, and that for personal nefarious purposes has manipulated SJB and Agent X and all the rest. I even find it very believable. So I like that as the overall story. It should simmer in the background, without dominating every episode. I don’t want every episode to be about that and how it ties into every dropped reference and loose end. I want some fresh, exciting H2H meets A-Team stories.

        TeamB will have their own mission to bring down the person who caused so much pain for the Bartowski’s and Winterbottom’s and so much large scale injustice. I want to see that, but I also want to see them stamping out other injustices that the government can’t or won’t. Woohoo … could be so fantastic.

      • armysfc says:

        does anyone but me think morgans line, chuck i was always the driver, have any foreshadowing to it? like in some weird way morgan has been involved all along? just asking, lol.

      • atcDave says:

        I think we saw a lot of setting up S5 Morgan in these last two episodes. Starting with reluctant/incompetent Morgan in Last Details, and his decision to be less involved with missions. Then in Cliffhanger his inability to deal with the CIA agent, and of course; being the “Jack-of-all-trades” during the wedding. So I’m thinking we may see a Morgan who will try anything, and occasionally be good at things. At least I think that’s where a lot of the comedy will be; while he may be a little scared of actual life and death stuff, he’s mosty willing to try anything. But the results will be wildly unpredictable. Probably even more so than Chuck ever was. Because in the end, Chuck was always at least intelligent. Morgan, we’re not so sure…

      • joe says:

        What a great question, Army. I’m not sure it’s foreshadowing, but it’s certainly not a throwaway line! I’m convinced I missed that before.

        Here’s what I think. Morgan has not> been the driver for anything about the Intersect or Chuck’s spy adventures, but he’s been much more of a driver than I realized for Chuck&Sarah’s relationship.

        Remember the pilot? Chuck was not going to ever call her back when Sarah left her card. Honestly, I wouldn’t have either (“If it’s too good to be true, it probably is!”). It was Morgan who objected to that. It was Morgan who jumped into Chuck’s arms when they told Ellie that “Chuck’s got a date!” He was the one who told Ellie that he’s with Sarah, Chuck becomes the person we all knew he could be.

        And how many times did Morgan tell Chuck not to give up on her or go after her? He knew almost before Chuck did that Sarah was the one for him.

        So I sort of like the idea that he was the driver for those two.

      • armysfc says:

        joe good points all. now how about this twist? everything you just said is true. maybe that was the plan of the new big bad? they knew she was a top agent. they knew he could handle the intersect. if he was being played as decker said, what better way than through his best friend? like you just said morgan was instrumental in driving the relationship forward. maybe just not for the reasons we think?

  62. lappers84 says:

    I would honestly like to see as much as the mythology resolved as possible, I’d hate see such a great show ending with so much still left unanswered. As for intersectless Chuck, I think it’s a great way to lead out as it would eventually allow Chuck and Sarah to have the normal life they want. Morgan as the intersect could well be pretty funny without it taken too much off Chuck. Charah owning Buy More again could be another funny sub plot and hoping that would allow for some Sarah and Jeffster/Big Mike interaction. But until we’ve heard more, I think it’s way too early to be worrying so soon.
    As for those who have already basically given up with Chuck following the Cliffhanger, I’d love to borrow their time machines so I can see for myself what the bother is with the potential future plot. :/

    • atcDave says:

      Lappers I agree S5 looks like a lot of fun. My only concern is if we get too much Morgan; but everything else, free lance spies, millionaire Charah, no Intersect in Chuck, and Decker as a villain, looks like A LOT of fun to me.

    • armysfc says:

      lappers…let me ask you a question. you go to a movie or are watching tv. a movie trailer or show preview comes on for something new. do you go see each one or watch each one? or based on what you think about the trailer do you say i might like that one, i might not like that one, then pick and chose what movie or show you want to watch? isn’t that the purpose of a finale or cliff hanger. to get people interested in what happens next based on what they show you?

      in both cases you really don’t know much about the movie or show right? your thoughts could be wrong each time but you make a decision on a snippet. people are just doing that now. if they don’t like the premise of morgan as the intersect it’s their choice to make. why should they tune in just because it’s chuck? to me it’s no different than people saying i hope they don’t do this or i hope they do that. in the case of people that say they aren’t coming back they just decided they don’t want to know. it’s their choice and they made it. i personally don’t care if people do or don’t tune back in next year. i know what i’m going to do, and to me that’s all that matters.

      • thinkling says:

        The thing is we have a lot more to base a decision on than the “trailer,” to follow your analogy. It’s more like you’ve seen all the James Bond movies and love them. When the trailer for the next one is less appealing, you probably still go because they’ve all been so good that you give them the benefit of the doubt.

        That’s where I am. I have some reservations about the Intersect switcheroo (the idea has both pitfalls and perks), but I’m more than willing (excited even) to see where it goes, because these guys have given us 3.5 seasons of entertainment gold. Plus, a lot of what they are saying sounds great, so I’ll withhold both judgment and panic about the whole Intersect plot and look forward to all the good things (those Dave mentions above) ahead.

      • atcDave says:

        Army I usually either watch a series or I don’t. Previews and cliffhangers typically have zero impact on if I will watch a specific episode. In fact, I completely don’t get the idea of missing an episode, unless I’m quitting the series entirely. I’m even the same way with movie series; of course I will watch the next Bond movie that comes out, there isn’t even a question. The only purpose the preview usually serves is to tell when that next installment is. I have enough experience with previews to know they are often very poor indicators of what the actual quality or story will be. Past performance weighs far more heavily (do I like the series? do I like the writer/director/star?). For a new movie/series the preview only tells me if I want to investigate more before making a choice.
        Now I realize not everyone approaches their movie/television choices as carefully as I do. But when you look at a show’s ratings, changes tend to come in a small increments week to week (trending steady, up, or down) which tends to suggest many, possibly most, viewers make their series viewing consistently and over time. Not as much based on the strength of individual previews.
        But one good thing about the new theme (millionaire Charah, Morgan Intersect), it makes it seem even more likely the show will be promoted as a pure comedy. Since that is how the vast majority of viewers I know already view the show, I think that approach is more likely to appeal to new viewers who would actually LIKE the show.

      • lappers84 says:

        I don’t completely disagree with you Army, I’m merely saying that it’s daft for people to outright condemn it before we truly know what’s really being planned.

      • thinkling says:

        Daft indeed!

      • joe says:

        Hum… Good morning, Army. I haven’t had my second cup of coffee yet, so I can’t guarantee this is going to make sense. But here goes. 😉

        You’re right about people making their choices (of course, that’s an axiom). Not many people here are going to change their minds because of what we discuss here, and I for one, wouldn’t expect that. Fools errand!

        If readers change their minds about anything w/regards to the show, it’ll be because of what they have already seen and because of what they hear from TPPB before the next episode airs, like at ComicCon. We’ve just been a place to discuss the show, mostly because we (and read “I”!!) have had a burning need to do that.

        Yeah, I just like talking about it, and get a great deal of pleasure from the responses!

        So, um, I don’t think Lappers had any intention of trying to change your mind or anything. I think that he (and most of the commenters here, actually) are talking about something else, and that, is the timing. That’s why Lappers brought up the time machine. It just seems odd to talk about the answers we haven’t gotten yet and say nearly a year in advance of the end that we won’t get those answers. It’s the positive, definitive, certainty of that negation that’s hard to accept.

        I’m starting to make a list of all the mythology stuff that I personally want to know more about, and really, it’s starting to get long. There’s Omaha, and the bracelet and Orion’s plan and Sarah’s mother and Casey’s parents and Graham’s machinations and… (It’s early; I know there’s more!) And it’ll bug me for a little while if we get to the end and the bracelet is never seen again.

        It’s odd that something so small and unimportant to the story overall – that bracelet – is so important to me. Really, it’s reappearance wouldn’t change a thing. If it never appears again I may never think about it again! Well, not until the next time I see Santa Clause, anyway. Then it’ll loom large for a while.

        But that’s really not the way they roll. Up to this point they have answered the questions that were raised. Just not all of them. Yet. I’m guessing we’ll see the bracelet on Sarah’s wrist once more, and I’d even guess that it’ll be in Mary’s presence.

        But, you know, If Mary says not one word about it but only recognizes it with her eyes, it’ll be very Chuck-like. Her inner-dialog will be up to us to imagine. That’s the kind of “answer” we’ve seen and I can only say that those kinds of things – the expression on Sarah’s face, or the three word explanation (Yeah, you do.) have been enough for me.

        I think I’ve been pretty good at imagining what’s been going on “off-camera”, and I rather like the part of the universe they left me to create for myself.

      • armysfc says:

        thinkling, dave… what you both say is true. there is always a loop hole for people to use. thinkling, you analogy to james bond is correct. if a person is waning on the james bond movies then they are most likely making a decision based on the promo. i used to watch all the bond films as they came out from gold finger on up. as they started to change i began to lose interest, now they no longer appeal to me, so i don’t watch. i used to love the bond movies now i don’t.

        i think most of the people that have said they are not coming back have already started to loose interest in the show anyway. as dave said ratings decrease or increase over time. this year they went down for the most part, with a small bump at the end. i don’t think for most of them it was a snap decision where they loved it then the cliff hanger changed their minds, it’s more like the final straw.

        most posters on this blog will tune in next year no matter what. if the rest of the fan base felt like you guys ratings would never have dropped over 4 years, well as much as they have. they did. sad fact is there seems to be more people that don’t feel the same as the posters here. it’s their choice if they stay or go. to them it’s a valid reason, same as those that are interested in what happens next. that’s all i’m really saying in all this. we don’t know what will happen next year. we may like it or we may hate it. that has yet to be seen.

  63. Verkan_Vall says:

    I’ve always been a pessimist (as you’ve noticed), and what I’m worried about is another drop in viewers to the point where we don’t get all 13 episodes of S5. This would just about kill any chance of a follow-up movie and might even affect the careers of a great cast and production staff.

    I wouldn’t normally say this was likely, but look at the drop in viewers for S4. So please, PTB, no more Shaw, no convoluted plotting, just entertain us.


    • joe says:

      Oh my – that is pessimistic, VV. But, I think it’s too pessimistic by half, at least.

      The number of shows that get canned early is tiny, and the number of established shows that find themselves in that situation is even tinier – minuscule. Too much money is committed up front for them to really consider walking away (whomever “them” are).

      Besides, even if Chuck’s viewership continues to diminish out of sheer exhaustion, it’s not going to drop that much. Most of the fandom that been through four seasons will stay to see how they finish up or even out of force of habit.

      And of course, some of us will watch because we continue to be delighted with the show! 😉

      • lappers84 says:

        I’ll never stop watching the show. I’m even going as crazy as to rewatch every single episode up to Cliffhanger (yes even Mask and Fake Name)

      • joe says:

        Pace yourself, Lappers! You have all summer! 😉

      • lappers84 says:

        Can’t promise anything Joe :p

      • joe says:

        Well, I’m not too worried, Lappers. I mean, you can’t really OD on Chuck. Right? I think.

        But I do know that the occasional nerd has been known to freak out over the nearest hot, blond spy, though… 😉

    • atcDave says:

      I wouldn’t worry about the ratings VV. NBC knows ratings will likely be weak on a Friday night, so right off their expectations are low. Last season, even Event and Chase which were epic disappointments got to finish their runs. And I suspect NBC has only limited rights to axe a show made by an outside studio anyway. But worst case scenario, all 13 will likely show on the S5 disc set!

      You are right that if ratings are truly abysmal we will never see a movie or anything, but you have to know that’s unlikely anyway. I think its 80% likely 5.13 will be the end of all official Chuck. If ratings are VERY strong we might see a back order or made for TV movie, but seriously don’t hold your breath.

  64. Verkan_Vall says:

    Well, a back 10 or a follow up movie would be nice, but I’ll be happy if they just put out 13 solid episodes of Chuck.

    I’m just worried that Schwarz and Fedak are going to over-medicate themselves again.

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