Speculation For A Chuck Finale

Wow we’ve seen a lot of spoilers and speculation these last couple days.  It’s been a lot of fun for me!  Given that we seem close to generating another over-blown spoiler thread on this site, I thought now might be a good time to open another alternate discussion thread. So join me after the jump for  some finale speculating.

I suppose it’s only natural this close to the end that our speculation would run rampant.  But we’ve certainly been fueled by a series of interviews Yvonne Strahovski has given in the last two days.  If you’ve missed them you can read here or here.

So it sounds like we will get an action packed finale right up to the very end.  There will apparently be some sort of Chuck/Sarah tension in 5.12, but we have little information on what it’s source or resolution may be.  We also don’t know how long, if at all, it may continue into the finale.  The exact words we’re hearing are “something a little tragic happens” the end will be “satisfying” but something (possibly “not material”?) will be taken from Chuck and Sarah.

WHEW!

If those aren’t some cryptic and confusing clues I don’t know what is!  So of course we all speculate wildly; I mean, what else is fan to do?!   With a few clues from what’s going on in the show now and some vaguely worded episode synopsis this is as easy as decyphering a Mayan calender

My favorite speculation at this point is that Chuck (or Sarah?) may have some memories deleted from the grey matter.  This would seem to suit some of the criteria; and yet we could easily see a satisfying ending as Sarah (Chuck?) happily stands by her man (his woman) even if he doesn’t remember having met her…  Now you all know of my affection for fan fiction, we’ve actually seen this situation addressed a couple times by creative fan writers.  The first that comes to mind is “Chuck vs the Missing Years” by Malamoo.  The idea in this story was that to loose the Intersect Chuck has all memories from when he first got the program removed.  Of course the drama comes when Sarah makes the unilateral decision that Chuck would be better off without her, so she decides to quietly exit his life.  So much of the back story to this tale is different from the show now that this would no longer seem likely or plausable.  Even in Malamoo’s version Sarah will quickly realize fleeing her destiny is a poor choice.  This story is a great read, but it does go AU from early S2 and no longer is likely to bear much resemblance to the show.  A closer match might be the similarly named “Chuck vs the Missing Memories” by ersk4.  This is one of my very favorite fan fictions.  In this one Chuck has also lost memories back to before he was the Intersect; but this time Chuck and Sarah are married and have a three year old daughter.  So the dramatic thrust of the story is Chuck coming to grips with a changed life and with Sarah by his side as a source of strength and protection.  The story doesn’t end with so much out of place for Chuck;  but the show could do a lot worse than ending near where this story picks up.   It might leave a lot of questions hanging, but there’s no doubt Chuck (and Sarah) would still be happy, loved and successful.

Other variations we’ve speculated involve maybe mind control of Chuck or Sarah leading to the fight of 5.12 and final clash with the final villain.  Perhaps this situation leads to the lost memories in the finale.  But where both of these speculations feel inadequate to me is that first; they are A LOT like fan fiction ideas I’ve seen and second; the show itself has already played this card with Morgan.

But then maybe that’s forshadowing; and Chuck or Sarah will acquire the Intersect to battle the big baddie and suffer both megalomania and memory loss by the finale.  Perhaps this is “Sarah’s most heroic act” that we’ve heard of in the previews?

Other big losses we’ve heard of focus on children.  Its clear that thoughts of children play a major part in the story right now.  So we’ve suggested both a miscarriage or infertility.  Either of these could be quite the tragedy, yet still lead to a satisfactory ending.  My biggest issue with these theories is that we’ve been told the loss will not really be physical.

I have the same reservation about a major character death.  Although a death was teased as far back as Comic-Con, I’m not currently sure if there will be one.  If someone does die in the these last couple episodes I think the leading candidates would be Mary Bartowski (perhaps in a heroic scene where she finds some redemption for having abandoned her family so many years ago) or Casey (his life has long been about sacrifice for the “greater good”.  So in a way, a heroic death for Casey would just be about fulfilling destiny.  But it would seem a shame now, when he’s just finding things worth living for).

So speculate away!  This has been a fun few days.  We only have 16 days left until the end so this may be our last chance to be utterly wrong about Chuck!

 ~ Dave

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108 Responses to Speculation For A Chuck Finale

  1. atcDave says:

    Yet another Yvonne interview just popped up. Very funny quip, we wouldn’t want people actually WATCHING Chuck! Gee sorry ’bout that NBC…

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      Wow. Comcast, which owns controlling interest in NBC, is reposting a controversial statement from an NBC exec. Let the corporate infighting commence!

    • thinkling says:

      I’ve inferred from all of her interviews (and maybe it’s just wishful thinking on my part) that the loss/tragedy/conflict is only leading up to the satisfying finale. Elsewhere she said she wondered how they would “resolve” this. I don’t think she precluded resolving the situation, recovering what was taken, and fighting for and getting their life back. Plus I don’t know that she’s not lumping the last two episodes together and using the term “finale” inclusively.

      • atcDave says:

        I hope your understanding is exactly right. She certainly has measured her words carefully; like is the tragedy minor? or narrowly averted?

  2. Rac2873 says:

    Sorry but if they suffer memory loss, miscarriage or any other negative tragic things happens to them, I will wipe this finale from my brain. I will just pick the wedding as my finale. On my list of things I want to see bittersweet is not on my list.

  3. jam says:

    I agree with Rac2873.

    Memory loss would be such a horrible, stupid idea. Same goes for miscarriage. I want an unambiguously happy ending for Chuck and Sarah, anything less and it’d ruin the whole experience for me.

    • atcDave says:

      Well, as I’ve said before, if things end too bleak I’ll be just as eager as anyone to wash this whole experience from my mind. But I don’t believe things need to be perfect to get a happy ending. Chuck and Sarah still standing and happy to be together is kind of the irreducable minimum for me. But if they have few new scars, well I can probably live with that.
      Reading too much from the tone of Yvonne’s interviews is a little tricky. She’s emphasizing both satisfying and tragic at the same time. There are types of tragedy we can all live with, and types that undermine the joy in life permantly. It will be interesting to see what sort this is.

      • Rac2873 says:

        I am stuck on the misery tension etc doesn’t get resolved until the last minute. What kind of send off is that?

      • jam says:

        Yes, I’m sure they get a few more scars, but as long as they’re happy and together in the end that’s fine with me.

        The memory loss scenario is too much of a “it was all a dream” twist to me, and I *hate* that kind of stuff. It’s not exactly the same, but I find the whole idea just rotten.

      • atcDave says:

        Well Rac it’s not my first choice either. I said way back I hoped for a big friends and family gathering at the end with the knowledge they were all safe and happy.

        And from interviews Yvonne gave last summer I think that’s what she was expecting (and maybe hoping for) too. So this ending is a surprise to her.

        But you know that doesn’t mean tension exists between Chuck and Sarah until the very end. In fact, if I were betting on it, I’d say any tension between Chuck and Sarah is resolved in 5.12; and if they’re both able bodied they’re a team again in the finale. But it may take until the very end to overcome this foe, or to defeat whatever scheme he put in motion. To me, that would be the very definition of an ending I wouldn’t have chosen but can live with.
        Again, if Chuck and Sarah have some scars from their final mission; I can live with that as long as they’re standing and happy together. I won’t require more than that, and anything more is bonus poiints (seeing them move into their dream house, having kids, spending time with friends and family). We still may see a satisfying montage or something as they fade to credits; it just looks like we won’t get the 10 minute denouement I was hoping for!

      • ArmySFC says:

        Dave i guess it come down to what people consider satisfying. i personally have no expectations on how it should end, relationships wise or not. if they spend the better part of two episodes in misery and wrap it quick, even if they are standing together i won’t be satisfied. why? because they have come to far in their story to bog it down now for whatever reason they have with no time to really flesh it out. on a larger scale think of season 3.0. most were not satisfied by the ending of 3.13 even though they were finally together. see where that mess ended up.

        i just wish the answers were it’s outstanding. remember the last time they said they had a satisfying ending planned out and it wasn’t. that’s the part that concerns me.

  4. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    I’m trying to keep an open mind for the last episode. A miscarriage would probably bother me more than a death of any character (except Chuck and Sarah). I would consider that a physical loss (but that might be a political opinion). Infertility doesn’t bother me because of adoption possibilities, Clara, and Molly. Because of adoption, infertility would be less of a big deal than something like a paralysis of Casey or Morgan. The permanent injury thing could still lead to happy endings for those two if they had Gertrude or Alex at their sides. A Dallas/Newhart thing would annoy me the most. Temporary memory loss could be ok if it is primarily in 5.12, not 5.13 (although Lois’ memory loss in Lois and Clark almost ruined that show). I’m not sure about a Manchurian Candidate plot because I love that movie. Again, I’d want it resolved in 5.12. Now, I think Mary makes the most sense to die a heroic death. I was saying that for Casey and Morgan preseason.

    Despite all of that I’m trying not to have a litmus test for what can and cannot be in the last episode. I’m not concerned about the “last minute” because Yvonne wasn’t in the editing room. As Thinkling mentioned, I’d like to see a nice long montage. But even if Baby’s end dropped the flashback and Chuck+Sarah scenes (which I loved), the family dinner scene would still have been a great ending.

    Thanks for the fanfic pointers, Dave. I need to read Missing Memories. ersk4’s Chuck Vs The Campaign is a favorite of mine. Malamoo’s story has a sequel and about five spin-offs. If I remember correctly, I liked those fluffy spin-off stories better than the original which was a little angsty. The tricky issue was the chronology (malamoo’s profile page has a guide) because those spin-off stories include a lot of parallel one-shots of their family life.

    • atcDave says:

      I agree with almost every bit of that Jeff including the ranking of relative goodness/badness of various ideas we’ve brought up. I’m also trying to keep an open mind; but as I said above, I do have an irreducable minimum. I’m sure I’ll say this many times in the next two weeks; Chuck and Sarah standing, together, and happy about it. (or the negative equivalent: neither party dead, no seperation, and no regrets or doubts about being together!)
      The only thing I really disagree about is Malamoo’s sequels to “Missing Years!” I didn’t dislike them, but I thought the angst and jealousy cards were overplayed in the sequels. While the original is amazingly tense in places; I absolutely loved the idea of Chuck falling in love with the same woman all over again; Sarah unable to stay away from him; and a little bit of a mystery as Chuck sorts out just what happened to him (and who Sarah is!).

      • atcDave says:

        Oh one thing about ersk4’s story. I’m quite sure if you liked Campaign you’ll like Missing Memories. In fact, THAT story is precisely the reason why Chuck loosing his memory doesn’t bother me as much as it maybe should. It was actually quite an attractive portrait of Sarah standing by him in her familiar role as protecter, but sort of as an emotional leader too. And like the other story, you sort of get that falling in love with the same person all over again thing going.

        Geez, I’m such a sentimental sap!

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Maybe I need to re-read. They were some of the first Chuck stories I read a year and a half ago. I just remember things like Charlotte, Uncle Casey, and the Lil Bo Peep outfit.

      • atcDave says:

        Some of the kid and family stuff was very cute. But we also got new rounds of Bryce/Jill jealousy, and some new, random “who was that guy…” sort of stuff. Too much of that for my taste. I would have prefered more of the sweet and less of the angst after the pilot piece.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Jill and Bryce probably didn’t bother me, because I read it post S3. Bryce was dead and Jill was gone forever in canon. It changes a reader’s perspective. Plus the story didn’t have Shaw.

      • uplink2 says:

        Interesting discussion. For some probably masochistic reason I’ve been re-reading some of APR’s older stuff and one comes to mind that may apply here. His Pandora’s Box story where Chuck and Sarah are ‘programmed’ by Beckman to forget the fact that they are in love and married and she ends up asking for a reassignment with all of his usual angst happening. But in the end they fight through the programming to still fall in love once again has some connection to this possible story. How their love is so strong that it will find a way no matter what is done to them by some evil force.

        Of course we have no idea if this is the route they are taking but it does seem to fit in that it becomes something not physical taken away, allows them to focus on their relationship as the heart of the show, fits in with the whole concept of the Intersect and could lead to a satisfying ending.

        We will have to wait and see.

  5. dkd says:

    If it turns out to be some sort of memory loss–or even identity loss in the form of a Manchurian Candidate scenario–I see it happening to Sarah, not Chuck.

    It fits the synopsis of the last episode better: “Chuck’s final mission brings him back to his roots as he fights to save his future. Chuck enlists his family, friends and some unexpected allies as he races to stop Nicholas Quinn from destroying everything Chuck has built over the past five years.”

    If Chuck had lost his memory, he wouldn’t be going on any mission. He’d be the inexperienced guy we met in the pilot. Note also that it says “Chuck” and not “Chuck and Sarah”. What Chuck built over the last few years is his relationship with Sarah. His future is Sarah. Those things are in danger if she doesn’t remember him and he can’t recover those lost memories. Isn’t it convenient that his sister is a neurologist?

    • atcDave says:

      I did try to allow for both possibilities. The hazards of writing in hurry; I’m also seeing tons of typos (even more than my usual poundage!).

      Perhaps a last scene in the hospital with Sarah having an actual memory of Chuck…

      I’d rather they didn’t do another hospital or Sarah being traumatized story to close things out, but it does seem pretty likely.

    • dkd says:

      I’m not going to speculate on the actual final minutes of the show. I’ll just say I don’t imagine it to be as quick a wrap-up as some people are freaking out about.

      I’m cognizant of the fact that Yvonne’s interviews were her speaking off the cuff, not reading a script. Hyper-dissection of her words may lead you to the wrong assumptions.

      • atcDave says:

        Well, as Thinkling also pointed out, Yvonne isn’t in the editing room. While she clearly knows how things end with her and Chuck, she may not know exactly how the show will wrap up.

      • dkd says:

        She knew when she was filming the last scene of the series. She tweeted about it and how puffy her eyes were the next day.

        But, I get your meaning.

    • lappers84 says:

      I have to say I quite like the memory loss idea for Sarah, seems to make sense based on the description of these spoilers.

  6. thinkling says:

    From the sneak peaks and interviews and synopses we’ve seen, I see a very mid S4 arc setting up. In Balcony, Chuck and Sarah are working toward a dream proposal and spending their lives together. The spy world interrupts all of that. Sarah embarks on a mission to buy back their future from Alexei Volkoff who more or less holds their future hostage.

    Gobbler is dark and ends at the nadir of darkness and danger of the arc. Push Mix picks up where Gobbler left off, but soon into Push Mix, things turn in a more hopeful direction.

    It looks like we’re about to enter a similar arc, only one episode sooner. The first part of the sneak peak of Bo looks warm and funny. Sarah is thinking about babies and wanting to quit. So Chuck and Sarah and TeamB start planning a less dangerous future. Normal life, at last … until “one last mission” interrupts all that. It looks like Sarah makes another dangerous decision to save Chuck (from the promo … No, Casey, they’ve got Chuck. … I’ve got this. … Walker, NO). Then we get 2 episodes of danger and darkness before the last episode, where things hopefully will start looking up and lead to a satisfying end. I’m expecting a similar pattern as the mid S4 finale, with heavier danger and darkness and sadness” … oh my.

    Keep in mind that Yvonne described Cliffhanger as a satisfying (or maybe she said good) ending, and that in an interview she did while filming Masquerade, before Push Mix aired, she called what happened in Balcony sad and was not at liberty to comment on the outcome of the “maybe/maybe-not proposal.”

    • atcDave says:

      Interesting parallels. You know Gobbler remains one of my less favored episodes since the misery arc; but I do agree that’s the sort of feel/vibe I’m getting now.

      I also would have considered Cliffhanger an acceptable finale; I’m glad it wasn’t, but I could have called that “satisfying” too.

  7. Jenn says:

    I read someone else speculate that the “thing” taken away from them is a chance at a “normal life”. This would be sad and kind of tragic since it seems as if that is what Sarah wants now based upon the new clip for Friday’s episode.

    • atcDave says:

      I don’t know quite what to make of that. Does it mean they’re forced back into the CIA? Perhaps that’s what the grand conspiracy was all about, but then why kick them out at the end of S4? That would be a little dark, hopefully not as bleak as the Quantum Leap ending…

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I always thought the QL ending was bittersweet, but not dark. He never returned home, but that was his choice. He also got the chance to help Al.

    • dkd says:

      Well, if they were forced to leave and go into hiding to protect the rest of the family, that would be a loss, too. They could have a “normal life”, but not be with their friends and family.

      • atcDave says:

        Of course if Chuck and Sarah have to disappear together; well I think I could live with that, it’s very romantic in its own way (like Honeymooners). I could see that meeting most of the criteria have; tragic in a way, not so mch a physical loss, and still at least partly satisfying.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I could see a fake-their-death thing that the “family” knows about–hence the “Goodbye”. The show has established a planed disappearance, leaving everyone in a good place (a la Honeymooners) is better than quickly fleeing in the night (a la Curse). Everyone in a good place would mean Malex were happy–maybe with Morgan owning the Buy More, Cabanski happy with Casey making an “impossible decision” to join Gertrude, and the Woodcombs taking the “new opportunity which could change their lives. It would be a loss. It would not be physical. It would be a little bittersweet, but everyone would be happy because they all made those choices.

        I’d prefer a Baby-like ending, but this could work if it were done well.

        I think there’s some fanfics like this. I don’t remember which one, but one of them has a little family reunion a few years later for the Charah wedding because Sarah is pregnant.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Reveleations by MySoapBox is one: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4890531/1/Revelations , but that is more about them being on the run, not a safe happy ending. The happy ending takes a while.

        I still can’t think of the other one I was thinking of.

      • atcDave says:

        I actually like that ending a lot, and sure would fit the known criteria.

        I think the story you’re thinking of is “Sarah vs Green Bay” by Moe32. It’s one of the earliest “epics” in this fandom, and I think the ending is very satisfying with Chuck and Sarah living off the grid in North Dakota. Sarah’s family details are all obsolete, but it’s an excellent story regardless.

      • atcDave says:

        I like a lot of mysoapbox’s writing, but Revelations not so much. The life on the run part is fun, but the part with Chuck surrendering and the prolonged seperation ruins it for me.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Thanks, Dave. It was Sarah vs Green Bay.

        Revelations is one my favorites. I really liked the story telling style, with Sarah and Chuck telling their story to their son, years in the future. As we saw in Curse, the (stupid) surrender is completely in character for Chuck. The separation was long in elapsed time, but it was only a chapter and a half in the story.

  8. herder says:

    However it plays out I think that our intersect free time is about at an end. This year we started with Morgan having the intersect and it was removed after the third episode, since then the only mention of it has been how it was eating Morgan’s brain. Tomorrow he reprises the frosted tips so the episode relates to things he did when he had the intersect, maybe drawing the attention of this year’s big bad. I think that from now to the end the intersect as a plot point is much more important: who has it, who wants it, what will they do to get/protect it, who uses it and who loses it.

  9. herder says:

    The other thing that I am trying to see if it is involved is the whole grand conspiracy thing from Cliffhanger. Were Decker and Shaw – maybe even unwittingly – part of some greater conspiracy to direct Chuck’s life or was it all puffed up talk to hide the directing hand of Shaw in his revenge. If the former then obviously there has to be more of it coming out and soon, if it is the latter then it was a pretty weak end to the grand conspiracy and might lead to worries about the adequacy of the finale.

    • armysfc says:

      good points herder. i’m leaning to them being separate from each other. after santa suit other than the baby, i got the feeling that part was over, but i do hope i’m wrong.

      • herder says:

        The part that has me thinking that the conspiracy might still be on is the secret that Sarah finds out that she keeps from Chuck initially. It may have to do with the conspiracy: Bryce was ordered to send the intersect to Chuck, Mary or Stephen were in on it from the beginning, Sarah (unknowingly) was sent to be his handler as it was thought that her tendancy to fall for co-workers would make Chuck want to be a spy or some other big betrayal.

      • jam says:

        Sending Sarah to handle Chuck and just randomly hoping that she’ll fall in love with him sounds like the worst plan ever. So no, I don’t think so myself.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I completely agree with you, jam. Wait. We’ve had a lot of worst plans ever on this show…

        I’m thinking the conspiracy is part of the Volkoff coverup and manipulating the Ring and Fulcrum to go after the Intersect. They would not have wanted Chuck to get it. The secret could be something simple like Sarah finds out who is behind it but promises not to reveal it to protect Chuck. Nah, that sounds too much like Castle.

    • thinkling says:

      Agreed, Herder about the conspiracy. I was really looking forward to the conspiracy. The end of Cliffhanger led us to believe that there was an overarching conspiracy over the Bartowski family, probably ever since Hartley.

      The Zoom continued the line of thinking with Decker’s dark meeting at the end. To me they dropped the ball in the Hack Off arc. When we discovered that Shaw was behind the whole virus story line, the arc lost its story value, though not its enjoyability. Three episodes to bring back Shaw? I would have been more interested in seeing more of the actual conspiracy than the bate and switch they gave us. Again I liked the episodes but was disappointed to learn that they had nothing to do with the conspiracy story I thought we were watching. (Maybe it will still tie in, who knows?)

      The end of Baby might point to a conspiracy that Sarah was unwittingly drawn into. So, I think we’ll still get to all that in a big way, but I would have loved to see it developed over the whole season. Again, maybe the Hack Off arc does actually tie in later, with the conspiracy still using Shaw as their patsy, but right now it looks like that was his own personal vendetta.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      I think Shaw was an intentional headfake from TPTB when it comes to a broader conspiracy. Like Thinkling I believe there is still a larger multi-generational conspiracy to be revealed along with the final big-bad. At least that’s what I’m hoping for.

      My parsing of Yvonne’s comments was that the “slightly tragic” refered to the something being taken from Chuck and Sarah, I wasn’t sure if that was supposed to be in the finale however, or just an upcoming episode. Remember also that they likely produced the finale as a single episode again, but essentially two episodes long. As for the finale she did hint that she didn’t see the direction they took coming, but she is happy with it. Fedak did say in an interview that he thought the biggest payoff in the wrap-up was for Chuck and Sarah.

      Beyond another big conspiracy I really have no speculation as to how they could end things in a very unexpected way. I guess it means that their house isn’t the big payoff they’ve teased all season.

      I do however have a few speculations.

      1) There will be a (relatively) major character death, and sorry, it won’t be Morgan. My money is on Mama B or Casey, though I’ll still hold on to hope that a relapsed Jeffster go out like Thelma and Louise.

      2) Morgan follows Alex to a new job or school, leaving the team behind. Casey (if he doesn’t die) does something similar, taking a new job, perhaps Beckman’s old one, or maybe even running away with Gertrude.

      3) Ellie and Awesome also move on, leaving Chuck and Sarah basically alone in the end, but very much together (the ending Yvonne didn’t see coming since generally things have ended with the big family gathering and they’ve been pushing those like crazy this season).

      4) Not every dangling plotline from the last 5 years will be resolved, but my guess is that if we pay attention a lot more than we’d predict based on the show’s history will be. My prediction for which ones: the 20 year mission, the origins of the intersect and why Stephen had to eventually run, the nature of Chuck’s specialness, and what the Omaha project was.

      • atcDave says:

        Wow some great specs there Ernie. Obviously some differences from mine, but I like your just fine! I hadn’t seen Fedak’s comment about Chuck and Sarah’s story being the most satisfying; I like the sound of that!
        I guess I had taken the “slightly tragic” remark as being tied to the comment about some tension/excitment continuing into the last minute of the show. My spec fits that, yours does not; but of course I may have misinterpreted something.
        I didn’t really touch on a character death, but I do agree Mary or Casey are the most likely. Both could easily be heroic and fitting; tragic, but not in a shattering sort of way.
        It looks like our main difference is I’m thinking Chuck and Sarah leave, you see everyone else leaving! Funny.

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah. I parsed Yvonne’s words to mean that the tragedy is the loss, and that it happens leading up to the finale. I took that to mean that it was not necessarily present or unresolved at the finale. I also take the word finale in a broad, inclusive sense, which may be causing some confusion. I know it makes a difference to me (satisfaction wise) when things happen and how long they continue relative to the end.

        I remember the biggest payoff comment. That gives us hope as well.

        Like Ernie I had taken the goodbye to mean that everyone else leaves. I just never considered the other possibility. Ha. Which will it be?

        I hope your #4 is right, Ernie. I don’t know about Omaha, but I sure hope we get the answers to the rest of your list.

      • dkd says:

        “My prediction for which ones: the 20 year mission, the origins of the intersect and why Stephen had to eventually run, the nature of Chuck’s specialness, and what the Omaha project was.”

        I don’t think ANY of those will be answered. I don’t consider “Omaha” a big mystery. From the first time I saw that episode, it was clear that it was either the codename for the Intersect project or an offshoot of the Intersect project. No big deal. I doubt the writers consider it a dangling mystery.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I’m with dkd. I thought the HP7 book bogged down a little because it tried to hard to tie everything up. Babylon 5, which cleanly tied the answers for 10 year old mysteries neatly with the answers for 1000 year old mysteries, still left many things unanswered.
        I don’t need to see answers, but here are my theories:
        – the 20 year mission – Mary got to Hartley too late. By the time she was embedded, she had to protect her family and couldn’t simply take out Volkoff. Plus she’s a bad spy.
        – the origins of the intersect – a bunch of scientists had a dangerous idea
        – why Stephen had to eventually run – the government was pushing him around and he wanted to help Mary without them watching. Ellie was old enough to take care of Chuck.
        – the nature of Chuck’s specialness – Stephen designed it around his own brain making Chuck more accepting of it. Ellie fixed her dad’s design issues, so that’s less of an issue. Plus Chuck is Chuck
        – and what the Omaha project was – what dkd said. I thought ‘Omaha’ was because of unoriginal code name reuse, like longshore, glasscastle, sandstorm, and sandwall, which all dealt with sand.

        I think the origins of the Intersect is the most likely candidate of that list to have some back story developed in the last arc.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I agree that most of my #4 choices were addressed sufficiently to be left alone, but Thinkling and I have shared a few BTS conversations (we were going to collaborate on a spec/mythology post that never seemed to materialize) and some of what we came up with was how TPTB could do an over-arching 30+ year old conspiracy and coverup involving everything from the creation of Volkoff to what made the Bartowskis a marked family, most notably Chuck who the CIA (or a faction) had decided was the perfect candidate for a military mind control/perfect assasin Manchurian Candidate/Jason Bourne type spy. Like Volkoff he could assume another identity and pull it off for years, once activated he’d have all the intel and skills he needed to cary out any mission, and like Morgan they could mold him into the perfect killing machine by melting portions of his brain.

        In other words just some fun fan-spec.

      • ArmySFC says:

        i think they already answered 3 of those. the 20 year mission and the origin of the intersect was the agent x episode. i thought they said it was developed to implant a personality into an agent and stephen was part of the group with hartely. they hinted heavily that mary went to correct the mistake.

        showing chucks specialness was the first three episodes of this year. f/s said we would see why chuck was special when asked about morgan getting the intersect.

        then again it could be just seeing those events differently and being wrong, but i doubt it.

  10. atcDave says:

    After discussing this for a few days and considering many different possibilities I feel ready to make a couple predictions.
    The first is that Sarah will get the Intersect, probably in Bo. I’m guessing she decides its the only way to save Chuck, but I’m not willing to guess the why of that. I’ll also guess its another slightly buggy Intersect, possibly the same one Morgan had; and it will largely be responsible for why Chuck and Sarah end up at odds in 5.12. I also think its likely they will get it out of her head either and the end of 5.12 or the beginning of 5.13.
    My other prediction is about the finale/ending. I think the title, Goodbye, is about more than just the end of the show; I think Chuck and Sarah will run off together. This makes some sense internally, especially if they haven’t been completely successful in eliminating the conspiracy that was trying to manipulate Chuck. It may be that going away is the best way to keep Ellie and Devon (and Clara!), Morgan, and even Casey from being put in harms way because of Chuck (and/or Sarah). I think this also meets some of the external clues we’ve had about an ending that is slightly tragic, yet satisfying. And this certainly could be a loss of the non-material sort for Chuck and Sarah. Ideally we’ll know some arrangements have been made for occasional contact, at least with the Woodcombs; but if that detail is omitted at the end I’m willing assume they worked it out later(!).
    To me, that could be a very satisfying yet slightly bittersweet ending. Chuck would avoid repeating the mistakes of his parents by keeping Sarah with him; yet the ultimate “friends and family” sort of guy is giving up regular contact with the rest of his “normal” life. It seems a very good ending to this journey to me. Maybe not the most perfect one I could have imagined, but very satisfying nonetheless.

    A couple of comments I do need to add. First, none of these ideas are original to me. All of them have been brought up by other folks commenting here. But I like both of these speculations a lot and they fit well with all the clues I see.
    Second, Yvonne has made a big deal of saying she was surprised by the ending and it wasn’t at all what she saw coming; so I accept a strong possibility I might be completely wrong. I could happiily live with the story if both of these predictions are correct. But I do believe its possible they could come up with something else I haven’t thought of that I would like as much or better.

    Is it Friday yet?

    • thinkling says:

      Hmm, could be, Dave. I had always thought that the Goodbye would be Ellie and Devon going off to their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and basically a change for everybody, all going off on a new venture, with Chuck and Sarah getting their happy ever after.

      Given the recent Yvonne interviews (and watching the Bo promo again), the running off together and your other specs have a more plausibility ring.

  11. jam says:

    One reason why I don’t yet believe that the show will end up with Chuck and Sarah on the run is the fact that we know that the last scene ever between just Chuck and Morgan is them calmly sitting at the fountain in Echo Park.

    http://chucktv.net/2011/12/01/photo-this-is-how-we-left-chucks-apartment/

    It’s not the last scene where they appear together, but it’s the last one with just the two of them.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      I’m thinking of more of a self-imposed witsec or faking their deaths, not being on the run. That pic could be the “Goodbye”. Morgan might help later with the faking-their-death mission.

      • jam says:

        Possibly, but to me this looks like a calm scene during the last 10-15 minutes of the finale when the frantic action is already over.

      • atcDave says:

        Actually Jeff, that’s exactly the sort of thing I was thinking, my bad for not being more specific. Morgan, and others, may help cover up their disappearence. A faked death is even better than a simple flight because it might take some of the pressure off and allow for the occasional vacation meeting up between the Bartowskis and Woodcombs (and Grimes!). The “last scene” between Chuck and Morgan could be their private goodbye before the “death” scene the next day or something.

        I could easily see some sweet calm sort of scenes in the last part of the episode this way. Chuck and Sarah have defeated the immediate threat but know they’ll never be completely free of it. So they hatch the scheme to fake their deaths and run away. The Woodcombs, Morgan, Casey, maybe even Mary are all in on it and help make it convincing to provide perfect cover for the escape. But before it happens they get to say their goodbyes.

        I think this fits nicely with the facts we have. Now I may have to throw out everything tomorrow night, but for now I’m content with this spec.

      • Gord says:

        That is an interesting scenario. Would they use fakeadeathanol again? Also lets hope more people show up at their funeral than those that went to Casey’s.

        Seriously though that scenario could work and would fit with the concept of slightly tragic. The tragic part would be getting cut off from their family and friends in order to keep them safe.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Gord that’s exactly the sort of “tragic” I was thinking of. I hope they don’t go the “fakeadeathenol” route again! A gas leak explosion in their apartment or ugly car accident might be better choices; you know, no questions asked about a closed casket funeral while Chuck and Sarah are already long gone…

      • ladycat713 says:

        If they fake thier deaths , hopefully thier family will know the truth.

  12. Gord says:

    The first thing I thought of when slightly tragic was put together with a loss that wasn’t necessarily physical was that they would lose the chance to start a normal life.
    I was thinking that this new baddy – Quinn will end up reminding them, even if they wanted to quit the spy life, they have so many enemies out there and that the best way they can protect their family and friends (and any little superheroes with capes that come along) is to stay in the game. At least then they have the resources to deal with whatever comes their way.

    Looking at the synopsis for the last 4 episodes, I get the impression that they think they have beaten Quinn at some point, and they start down their path towards a normal life. But then he shows up again and puts everyone and everything at risk. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see another Pineapple incident at the Buy More, perhaps even see it get blown up again.

  13. ladycat713 says:

    On my wish list of possibles

    Jeff and Lester become spies for Carmicheal Industries. They do seem to have some talent and no one would ever believe they were spies so they’d never be made as ones. Jeff’s board even had the word Intersect on it and Lester has no problem with a odd disguise (though he shoud shave closer when dressed as a woman) . They’re better than Shaw as a spies and that’s without training.

    Mama B goes to Shaw’s cell and makes him beg to die. But she doesn’t let him off that easy. She tells him she’ll be back when he heals to do it all over again.

    I don’t really buy the possibility of Sarah downloading the Intersect (mentioning since I’ve heard some people speculating on that) because it never made sense to me that a trained spy need an intersect with the fighting skills. The info would come in handy and skills like different languages and defusing bombs they weren’t trained to defuse but shouldn’t Bryce have already been trained in everything else when he was suppossed to download the Intersect in The Ring 1?

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      The obscure skills would be useful, like playing the Spanish guitar. The code hacking skills and additional languages would be useful, too. Many skills would be redundant.

      I think the way they played the Intersect in Shaw was it was like a video game power-up. It made him a little better. Without the Intersect, Shaw was on an even playing field with Chuck (trained by Sarah).

      The way I played it in my fanfic was Sarah’s natural instincts were faster than the Intersect. She flashed mid-kick, and it threw off her timing.

      • atcDave says:

        And I loved your version Jeff! Morgan’s malfunction was funnier (too short); but Sarah’s was perfect for her, she was basically better on her own!

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I was trying to keep Chuck “special” while still having other people with the Intersect. It also was a Ring Intersect without Ellie’s improvements.

        To spoil the story… Morgan’s skill flashes were ok for very close quarters, but he was too short for full punches and kicks. His data flashes overwhelmed him and knocked him out. Sarah’s skill flashes were too slow delayed and her data flashes were delayed by minutes. Casey’s Intersect download didn’t really take, but at least he wasn’t debilitated. Beckman realized the Intersect wouldn’t work for most agents, and no one had to risk a suitcase nuke in LA.

    • atcDave says:

      Well Shaw seems to have been super-charged by receiving the Intersect. He handled Sarah a lot more easily than we otherwise would have expected. In fact he said something along the lines of catching bullets with his teeth; sure that was kind of a man of steel joke, but I think the evidence is that an Intersect powered agent will always be better than one without. Now I would agree that Sarah is meant to be at the pinnacle of conventional abilities, but I can imagine a situation where she might need to be more than just the best.

      And I’m not even getting to the possibility yet that it might not even be about skills. She may need access to the intelligence files that were a part of the Intersect 1.0. Once upon a time that was considered a valuable resource in its own right. Sigh…. I hate the 2.0…

      But in the end it’s just a spec. I expect it to happen. But I’m pretty much ALWAYS wrong. So take it for what it’s worth…

  14. andyt says:

    I hope this comes true. The Shins have a new album coming out. It would be poetic if one of the pieces of music in the last Chuck episode was a Shins song just as “A Comet Appears” was in the first Chuck episode.

  15. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    I’m starting to lean towards Chuck vs. Sarah being about memory loss (like Morgan’s after deintersecting) not an evil Sarah. Chuck could be helping rebuild her memories. I’ve seen a lot of shows have clip episodes (Star Trek TNG, JAG, Stargate SG-1). Some have shorter clip segments. Maybe Chuck vs Sarah is one of those. Chuck working at the Wienerlicious could be a mixed up memory. By the end (or middle) of the episode, her memories would be back.

    I know a lot of people would be disappointed about a “wasted episode”, but clip episodes are normally done to save budget. It would hopefully mean a better finale.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      Never mind. That idea doesn’t make sense with the 5.12 synopsis.

      • armysfc says:

        could fit with the one for 13. chuck enlists all the help he can to save his future.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Very quick clips, like during they did during wedding, would be ok. But an extended clip segment during the finale (which is what JAG did) would not be very action packed and exciting to the last minute.

      • armysfc says:

        TBH i think the action in 12 spills into most of 13 with only a few minutes of goodbyes at the very end. thats how they did gobbler/pushmix and the last 2 of season 3. above anything else their arcs have become predictable.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        That’s what I was thinking before. Now I’m less certain. Bullet Train looks like the biggest action episode in a long time.

        The real question is will we get an Under Siege 2 reference?

      • armysfc says:

        Jeff i don’t mean physical action per say, i mean the over all plot to end the big bad and save sarah from whatever. note the synopsis for 13 it seems to have chuck acting alone (with friends not sarah) which follows the book of she’s injured or on her own.

      • uplink2 says:

        I’m calling the hypnosis scene tonight as the Chekov’s gun of the final arc where Ellie restores Sarah’s memories.

  16. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    In the finale scene of Bo:
    Sarah: “You show me Chuck, first”
    Thug: “Situation’s changed. He’ll be needed.”
    So why is Chuck needed?

    Also, is this set of glasses a one-time download like the ones Morgan used?

  17. atcDave says:

    I’ll add some things here in light of Bo and the preview for Bullet Train. Now that the Sarahsect hypothesis is correct, and it looks like she will be suffering consequences of it fairly quickly, it clarifies and modifies certain things I was thinking. For starters, the obvious, whatever conflict develops between Chuck and Sarah in this arc will be directly related to the Intersect. The good news is that means there will likely be no actual breach of trust between them. Even if Sarah does awful things, it’s not really her doing. This is a huge issue to me as it makes the reconciliation part much easier.
    But the bad part of this is, I’m thinking in the finale Sarah will be suffering from some form of brain damage, even more serious than Morgan did. So I think the loss and big drama of Goodbye will not be about Chuck and Sarah running away together (I’m more in agreement with Ernie now, the Goodbye will likely be Ellie and Devon moving on); but rather the main drama and loss will be about trying to restore Sarah’s memories and/or sanity.

    This will be in addition to whatever action elements still need to be resolved. For the record, I’m not thrilled with this direction; but I’m not completely dreading it either. I wish they wouldn’t damage our main characters so much as the story runs out; I would have much prefered a more light hearted fun sort of story as a series send off. But it is what it is, and I still expect things to sort out nicely in the end.

    • jam says:

      I’ll just say that if the finale ends with Sarah still having memory problems, it’d ruin the whole show for me. It doesn’t matter if we end up with Sarah & Chuck together and her determined to remember why she fell in love with him… it’d still be incredibly lame.

      In addition to Chuck, a memory loss would also wipe away loads of character development, her friendship with Ellie, Morgan, Casey, knowledge of what happened to her “sister” and mother. For these reasons I think (or rather hope) that it won’t be a permanent thing.

      I would have rather wanted a finale where we see Chuck & Sarah working together, at full health, to save their dreams of normal life.

      • atcDave says:

        I do agree with most of that Jam, I would prefer Chuck and Sarah healthy, happy and together always. But that doesn’t mean something short of that is a complete disaster; there’s a lot of ground between perfect and terrible. Just because we’ve heard the ending likely won’t fit our ideal of perfect doesn’t mean it will be terrible! If it ends with Chuck and Sarah happy together I can live with it, if it looks like Sarah will completely recover from the Intersect, even better! If they end up staying in the spy game I could live with that too.

    • Jason says:

      Morning Dave – Happy New Year – Go Packers – Go Chuck and Sarah too!

      In getting ready for the show to end, I decided to pull back mostly from my involvement from blogging (I am not here with an alias or anything – LOL), and largely watch the show in peace. Thought I would toss a few comments out there, assuming that some of you thought given my predisposition toward loving the fun, comedy version of Chuck, that I might be boycotting the show or something, which I am not.

      Drama thru Sarah apart from Chuck, seems to be the way the last arcs are written, the FINAL final appears to be written that way, no big surprise. Appears we are heading for a 3 episode arc of drama and unhappiness, which is pretty consistent with the past seasons.

      Is it possible, we have scene our last comedy between Chuck and Sarah FOREVER, and the last sweet Chuck and Sarah moment may come with a minute or two left in the show?

      At the start of this season, I hoped that this season might work for most everyone. That probably will end up being the case, except often not at the same time, at least until the very end. The first ten episodes were great for me, give or take a few things. Most likely, the last three will work best for the fans of a more serious show. Many blogging fans seem stoked about the way the end is shaping up, which is a good thing for the show.

      I only wish that the writers could have written something that would have made everyone happy and excited at the same time, these writers just don’t tell that sort of story. The teases for the ending seems very appropriate to how the show has been for me from the start, painstakingly contradictive story telling (fun, funny romance vs unhappy melodrama) and forging a love hate relationship between myself and the product I watched each week. That probably will be the lasting legacy for me regarding the show. That is not the type of legacy I wanted when I started watching the show and got hooked by the warm feelings and fun the characters emoted on screen, but as you said, it is what it is.

      • atcDave says:

        I would agree with most of that Jason. I think we still some more sweet Chuck and Sarah scenes, just probably not very happy scenes until possibly the very end. I mean in Bullet Train it certainly looks like they are very much in love and ready to kill or die for each other. That is still good stuff. It’s only too bad we won’t have more of the happy fun stuff, that truly has been my favorite part of this show.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        You got me thinking about the 3-episode finale arc idea a little more. A lot of drama and unhappiness (except the end) does not necessarily mean bad episodes.
        S2: First Kill, Colonel, Ring – Sarah and Chuck were not very happy, but a lot of people loved the last two. First Kill’s my “favorite” Jill episode
        S3.0: Final Exam, American Hero, Other Guy – hard to make a fair judgement on these because there is too much carry-over from the previous episodes, which were generally disliked (or hated). Going by Ernie’s poll, Final Exam and Other Guy were the two most popular of of S3.0. I’m being an optimist and saying these show the final arc can be better than the episodes that lead into it.
        S3.5: Living Dead, Subway, Ring II – Sarah and Chuck were not very happy, and S3 goes dark again. Probably my least favorite ending arc, but I wouldn’t say it was bad. The glitchy Intersect and the possibility of someone dying make this one the most obvious parallel to S5. Sarah and Chuck are much happier together going into S5’s finale arc.
        S4.0: Balcony, Gobbler, Push Mix – Sarah and Chuck start and end happy, but are not happy throughout. I know a lot of people don’t like this arc, but it has a lot of good stuff in it and ends well.
        S4.5: Agent X, Last Details, Cliffhanger – Has the least “arc” of any of these. Still mixes in a lot of funny moments and sweet family moments.

        Overall, I could see that as a mixed bag for some. The expectations are higher because this is the real finale, but in past years a lot of people thought they were a probable finales. My point comes from S2. For the most part those were very dramatic and unhappy episodes for Chuck and Sarah. But Colonel is a favorite and Ring is close behind.

      • atcDave says:

        Yup, I’d agree with all of that Jeff. I’d add for myself, there are a couple episodes I really dislike in those finale arcs (Final Exam is one of my all time least favorites; and Gobbler may be my least fav of S4); but in every case they ended well. To me, the least satisfying of the whole bunch was Other Guy; not because I dislike that episode (I like it fine), but because the set up was WAY too long and too dark for my taste. Basically too much set-up, not enough pay-off.

        BUT, S5 has already done better than that. I haven’t disliked a single episode all season. It may be that my favorites are already past, but that doesn’t mean I won’t like the finale arc or, more importantly, the final ending of the series.

    • thinkling says:

      Shockingly (not) I agree with all of that Dave. Our irreducible minimum is the same (Chuck and Sarah together, as in love as ever, and happy).

      I’m not wild about the chosen direction with Sarahsect (it’s sideways at best and backwards at worst), but a lot of how it hits me will depend on how long it (memory loss, if that’s what it is, but it looks that way) drags out and how much is lost in the end.

      Within my irreducible minimum is a wide range between minimum and maximum satisfaction. The worst pattern would be like OG with only a 4.5 minute wrap and only 2 of those minutes with Chuck and Sarah. The lack of resolution was bad, but mostly it was too little happy ending compared to such a long destructive and painful road. Even if that’s the pattern, though, it won’t be as bad as OG, because (by all appearances) the issue between Chuck and Sarah is induced by the Intersect, not a breech of trust (like you said, Dave). So even though I would be disappointed with a too-short wrap, it still can’t be as disappointing as OG.

      The best scenario would be a restoration of Sarah’s memories earlier rather than later in #13, a fight together to the finish, leaving 7-9 minutes to give everyone a proper goodbye (a good hunk of that being a great wrap for Chuck and Sarah).

      I loved Sarah’s dreams for CI, BTW. I wonder what they’ll get. Either way her idea would make for a great series/reunion-episode/movie.

      Ah, and the Wienerliscious … if we had a Buymore in Vail, why not a Wienerliscious somewhere else, too, Berlin maybe (assuming W is really a German chain to start with).

      • atcDave says:

        Occasionally I should try to disagree with you just for variety’s sake…

        I would have loved something like your best scenario, even though that seems unlikely now. But it is a little hard to know how litterally to take Yvonne’s comments about twists continuing into the last minute. It may be that she’s excluding the actual conclusion, or even that she’s speaking from a script and shooting schedule that wasn’t done in order. But my expectation is that the very end will be more rushed than I would prefer, but will otherwise be acceptable.

  18. Amanda says:

    Hi everybody!

    I liked this wild speculation about the finale, and I think the Sarah’s memory loss/ being corrupted is most likely to happen, but I’m kind of disappointed- although I enjoy the dark plots-It’s a little crazy going through this in the end of the show and compromise the “happily ever after” thing (which I love btw!)

    P.S.: I read about you Thinkling and I have a question: Eu sou brasileira e adorei saber que você conhece o meu país! Você consegue ler e falar em português?

    • thinkling says:

      Oi Amanda … consigo, sim. Moramos no Brasil mais ou menos 28 anos (queibrados), a maioria em São Paulo (capital e Campinas) e 3 anos em Teresina, PI. Email me through the blog (‘contact us’ link above).

      It’s not my favorite idea for an ending, either, but I’ll remain optimistic for a good ending for them, even if getting there is crazy.

  19. jam says:

    Didn’t Yvonne say that Quinn will take something away from Chuck and Sarah? If Sarah will lose her memories, isn’t that technically because of the intersect and not Quinn?

    Of course, it’s possible… even very probable that she slightly misspoke, or maybe Quinn will do something to the intersect which causes Sarah’s memory to get damaged.

    • ArmySFC says:

      i think it was more on the lines of they would lose something and it was not necessarily physical. i don’t remember her ever using a name, but i could be wrong on that point.

      • jam says:

        I read it here:
        http://www.tvguide.com/News/MegaBuzz-Castle-Greys-House-1041420.aspx

        “He takes something away from Chuck and Sarah, and it may not necessarily be something physical.”

        I guess that quote might be just paraphrased.

      • atcDave says:

        I’m willing to buy that if Sarah is damaged by the Intersect its basically Quinn’s fault. He’s the one behind the kidnapping and firefight that necessitated its use.

        We are just guessing here. Its possible something else will happen that would be the loss Yvonne was speaking of. But it seems plausible to me that it will be all about Intersect damage. We will know for sure pretty soon!

      • ArmySFC says:

        Dave if it’s anyone’s fault it’s hers. im not one to blame circumstances for personal choice. she made the decision to down load it. they could have gone in with a team of agents and not alone but they didn’t. i understand the reason but it was still her decision.

      • atcDave says:

        We’re not trying to put together an incident package here, just trying to parse out Yvonne’s interview.

      • ArmySFC says:

        Dave true. here’s another bit from an IGN interview.

        Strahovski: It was not what I expected. Oh man, the lead up to the finale is I feel somewhat tragic. There’s a moment of tragedy in there. We sort of focus on the Chuck and Sarah story, which is sort of the heart of Chuck. I think there is a satisfying end. But I think the process of getting there is going to be a little on edge.

        here’s the link to the whole thing http://tv.ign.com/articles/121/1216451p1.html

      • ArmySFC says:

        Dave i see the point but lets have some fun with the blame game, ok? if you want to blame quinn, shouldn’t you really blame chuck? i mean he did tell them not to go after quinn when they had the chance, if they did, they catch him and he can’t get chuck then sarah doesn’t have to down load the intersect because the fire fight never happens. it’s the whole change the past alter the future time thing.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Army, here’s the easy answer. Stephan Bartowski’s parents encouraged him in school so he was learned enough to leverate his intelligence to design the really cool parts of the Intersect. If the Intersect didn’t exist, they wouldn’t be in this dilemma. It’s all GrandpaB’s and GrandmaB’s faults. 😉

      • ArmySFC says:

        Jeff exactly! see change the past alter the future, also if they used protection stephen would not exist either! see lots of fun!

      • atcDave says:

        I mainly blame the chinese company that manufactured the plastic frames for the Intersect glasses…

      • ArmySFC says:

        Dave i concede can’t beat that!

  20. Shepperd of Lost Sheep says:

    I honestly don’t know what to think about Sarahsect. I think more eps of this and less of the pointless, go nowhere, mean nothing, supposed “conspiracy (I use the term loosely since there wasn’t one) would have helped.

    I don’t mind the idea (I think), I just don’t think there is time to do it justice and resolve it properly.

    That being said, since it looks like they get split up in the next ep, is it possible that Sarah is working for Quinn against Chuck BECAUSE of the intersect?

    In the end, a 2-3 minute resolution at the end of 5.13 will be totally unsatisfactory. (It’s Chuck so I’m prepared for just that).

    Chuck’s drama has always been very divisive amongst the fans. I hope it all works out and the show ends on a high note. It deserves that.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      No, not a high note. I’m still scarred from hearing Casey hit that high C. I’d prefer a good note. 🙂

  21. Amanda says:

    Lol Whose is the fault? For me the Chuck and Sarah’s finale should last at least 10 minutes! C’mom we deserve that!

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