5.11 Chuck vs. the Bullet Train – First Reactions Thread

There’s been a lot talked about, speculated and not so much written about this penultimate (I say penultimate because I’m considering 5.12 to be an extension of 5.13) episode. Until now…

I’ve always acknowledged that the mythology of the show can get a bit sketchy; the missions, same but the emotion was always real. The way the characters felt, what they felt for each other, that was always real and so it’s gratifying for me to hear this from:

Chris Fedak: …we just finished the cut on episode 11 which is “Chuck vs. the Bullet Train,” which is set in a Japanese bullet train. And the ending is so epic, especially in regards to the emotionally epic. It’s not just about things exploding because we’ve always found on our show that you can have bombs and explosions and a lot of the really fun stuff like that but really it’s the emotion of the characters. And we mess with those emotions in a big, huge, dramatic way and our episode 11 will tease up the final 2 episodes which will air together kind of like a 2 parter on one night. It’s going to be, not only a huge action adventure…but we’re also going to have huge emotion. Everything is on the line. It’s going to be a, very kind of, emotional experience. We’ve all kind of found that as we’ve been working on the episode, that it’s not just about blowing something up, it’s really about where we’re taking these characters over 5 years, and just how different they are. (Credit to @MrsHekmi of the SWFG for the quote, time and awesomeness. Look for the upcoming full piece on TVFanatic. Meanwhile visit their site here).

Now I know that some will read that and say, huh, just another example of Fedak pulling our strings but…hear him out. Listen to what he’s telling you. They’re going to tell a story, an emotional story beyond just playing us like an emotional yoyo. It’s been an emotional journey. At its heart, Chuck has been an emotional show. To this day I still feel the loss of Break Up, the euphoria of Best Friend, mournful of Subway, don’t we want to feel those things as the curtain falls? I’m gratified that I’m given that chance. At the end of the day that’s all you can ask for. A chance. So I ask you fellow Chuck fans, give these last arc (which begins tonight-because as we know Chuck does things in 3s) a chance. At the end of it, all we will have will be our memories and if we’ve missed a chance to live in the moment…it’s gone forever.

Tonight is going to be an “emotionally epic” night, we won’t have much more of these. So…take a chance. I think it’s going to be good, and I’m not alone in that. Here’s Yvonne’s take (via TVLine):

“I loved that episode” she told me (during the same chat in which she taunted us with this). “Buzz [Feitshans], our DP (Director of Photography), directed that episode, and it was his first time, so I’m super-excited to see how it worked out.” OK, but what can we look forward to in front of the camera? “It’s a really cool episode,” Strahosvki promises, “with a lot of kicking ass on the train.”

Let’s just hope that they get in the train because as we know, inside train = good, train platforms = bad. 😉

Trust the show, trust the love. Enjoy!

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194 Responses to 5.11 Chuck vs. the Bullet Train – First Reactions Thread

  1. mxpw says:

    Yeah, except every time I see Fedak use the word “epic”, I know to expect anything but.

    • Faith says:

      Good to know you’re keeping an open mind.

      • mxpw says:

        *shrug* I’ve kept my mind plenty open before in the past with this show and been burned.

        I’ve learned that the best way to enjoy the show these days is to have really low expectations. When Fedak tells me something is going to be “epic”, that kind of makes it hard to maintain those low expectations.

  2. ArmySFC says:

    sorry faith i’m not buying what they are selling. after 4+years of growth, relationship problems OLI’s, PLI’s and everything else that stood in their way to be happy they decide to in 3 hours, “it’s really about where we’re taking these characters over 5 years, and just how different they are.” like we don’t know how different they are already? they can’t get them there in 4+ years but can in 3 hours? so again sorry not buying it.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      Are you going to watch the episode, Army? If so, be sure to walk out of the room during commercials to avoid buying what they are selling: ad time. (Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.)

      • ArmySFC says:

        i generally flip the channel to espn to catch the scores during the commercials or any scene with morgan.

  3. Leigh says:

    I for one am excited about this ep, though slightly annoyed that we only got one teaser clip.

    Also, yay for the Ben Browder guest spot tonight!! *cheers*

    • Faith says:

      Thank you Leigh!

      • Leigh says:

        I’m just sad I can’t watch live! I don’t get out of work early enough. Luckily, we’re taping (that’s right! Kicking it old school with the videotape!)!

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      BB said there will be lots of guns and bullets. As someone who for two years used P-90s, MP7s, G36Ks, and even a Cobray Street Sweeper (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Ben_Browder), and who for four years used “the most powerful weapon in the Uncharted Territories” on Farscape, I would assume his standards are pretty high. After seeing him gradually go crazy in the second season of Farscape, I’m thinking he would have made a great Nicholas Quinn.

      • Leigh says:

        BB does wacky unhinged, though…I’m not sure if he’s menacing enough to have played Quinn…still glad we’re getting him in the ep!

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        He did cold and calculating as a Peacekeeper sell-out in “Unrealized Reality”. His ultimatum in Peacekeeper Wars was close, but you’re right. Most of the time the menacing was Aeryn’s job.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      How the mighty have fallen.

      In Farscape, as the most hunted man in the galaxy, Critchon walked into the most heavily guarded base in the Scarran Empire, started a civil war, and walked out with his arch nemesis who was prisoner there. On the way out, he set off a homemade nuclear bomb to destroy the mother planet which was the secret to how the Scarrans stayed intellectually competitive with other races, thereby ending the possibly of war in that sector of the galaxy. In the miniseries, he did even more.

      In Stargate, as the leader of Earth’s premier front line team, he helped defend the galaxy against an ancient race of ascended beings that were trying to subjugate everyone into worshiping them. Despite is role as leader, he mainly made sure the smart people could do their job of saving everyone. He also tended to get captured by people like a drug smuggler who was stupid enough to think he would eliminate his own escape route. He also tended to lose his pants.

      Now in Chuck, he was captured by Jeff and Lester. ’nuff said.

      • atcDave says:

        I seem to remember discussing last week how under-utilized we expected him to be. The part was basically an extended cameo. It was funny to see him has Jeffster’s first “win” in the spy world!

        On a down note, this strikes as not uncommon for actors after their star vehicle ends. I hope for better for the Chuck cast; but it makes me sad that we likely will see far less of them now.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        BB had the disadvantage of being in an Austrailian production followed by a Vancouver production. I think he had a pilot last year that died. YS already has several jobs lined up. ZL seems to be making the rounds. He seems to be connecged enough to land somewhere. JG might have more trouble, but he’d be great on a sitcom. I wouldn’t be surprised to see AB do the guest star circuit in roles like he did on Bones until a Beckman type of role comes along (i.e. a police captain).

      • atcDave says:

        I think Adam Baldwin will always have work, he is perfect for military/police type roles and is a well known element for such. The others are harder to guess. I hope they all end up back in television (weekly visibility). But I’d be happy to see them have any broader success. Obviously Zach and Yvonne both have done some movie work, but I hope they’re more successful than just occasional work.

  4. Henry says:

    I’ve had enough with how they play with our emotions! I will give the show another week, ten days tops, then if they continue like this I will stop watching it! LOL

    Seriously, I am confident that these last episodes won’t let me disappointed. I have loved the show for 88 episodes, I have enjoyed the whole ride and I will do it until the end.
    For one thing I am particularly happy: I will be away next week, and I don’t know when I will have time to connect, so I will be mostly spoiler- and discussion-free. But I’ve managed to come back from this business trip one day earlier, so next Friday I will be there live (at 2 a.m., here…) for the last two hours of Chuck…

    • atcDave says:

      That is a very serious threat Henry! I can safely say we all feel the same.

      Of course the bummer is; even when we’re pleased and thrilled silly over an outstanding conclusion…. we’ll still be done with the show. sigh.

    • Faith says:

      Oh Henry, you sucker you ;). Thanks for the post.

  5. atcDave says:

    Chris Fedak used most of the right language there to make me pretty optimistic. I’m still a little concerned about how bad the “loss” phase of the story might be; but if, as we’ve been specing for over a week now, the major bump in the road becomes memory loss I like the way he put it about being about how the characters have changed over five years. That growth has been one of my very favorite themes of this show. So while I’m not thrilled with the idea of a damaged Sarah; the idea of Sarah regaining herself as a microcosm of five years worth of growth (in 42 minutes…) is a very appealing idea.

  6. Gord says:

    The big issue is in how they handle the Chuck/Sarah angst. If it makes sense within the story then I’m fine with it, but if they create angst for the sake of creating angst without any underlying plot to support it then I think fans would be a little upset by it. Especially if its “lets create some really painful situation Pink Slip/Mask/Fake Name style in which Chuck and Sarah break up so that we can put them back together in the finale.” However, I think it will make sense to the plot if its related to how the Intersect affects Sarah. That is the only way I can see it happening. I could also see Chuck Vs Sarah involve an actual physical assault in which Sarah tries to kill Chuck but then as she is about to land the fatal blow, her love for Chuck overpowers the Intersects kill program. Finally, I see the cure to the situation will involve Ellie and her brain science skills..

    As for tonight’s episode, I’m still going to go way out there with my speculation and say that Chuck has to use the Intersect glasses himself to save Sarah and that we will end the season with the dynamic duo of spy couples.

    • herder says:

      I’ll agree with that with one proviso, as this one involves a train I’d like to see at least a mention of the Charleses.

    • Faith says:

      Gord I think it’ll go in line with the previous episode. I bought into that…her decision to intersect and everything so this is already working in that sense. That is assuming you bought into that, too.

      • Gord says:

        Yes after seeing the episode, I think it was a flawless execution. I was wrong that Chuck didn’t use the intersect but in the promo it looked like he was getting ready to put them on as we saw the word “activating” in the glasses so maybe he uses them in the finale.

        As for Sarah killing Chuck – I think I called that pretty close. I think the sketch that Chuck drew is going to be what stops Sarah from killing Chuck, Much like Chuck talking about the school experience with Morgan to snap him out of his frosted tips phase, he will use the sketch to snap Sarah out of her kill Chuck phase.

        Also loved how they had her back in her hotel room at the end and I think in the same underwear she was wearing on the bed looking at pictures of Bryce at the end of the pilot.

        Quinn certainly made a much bigger impression on me in this episode than he did in the last episode. He is one slippery dude.

  7. Weaselone says:

    Even Fedak has to be right every once and awhile. I’d say given his numerous proclamations of epicness, he’s about due to be right!

    • herder says:

      Welcome back! yes even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    • Faith says:

      Boy have I missed you!

      And Herder…you should post more. Just sayin.

    • Weaselone says:

      It’s good to be back. Missed talking about Chuck. Unfortunately, I missed most of the episodes this season.

      • joe says:

        Hey there, Weaselone! Long time.
        I have a feeling that if you were to get the DVDs, you’d really enjoy watching S5 episodes in quick succession.

        Much of the season has been tone-perfect!

  8. Weaselone says:

    Also took Morgan a month to be a Jerk!

    • esardi says:

      Yeah but she seems to be flashing on everything. I think that is why she deteriorates faster then Morgan.

      • Weaselone says:

        I agree. She’s flashing too often. Even if she had a fully functional Intersect with the fixes that would have to be a strain.

      • esardi says:

        Damn I was right. Now we know what he is going to have her do. He wants a good version of the intersect. That is what he is going to have her get. Chuck maybe a side mission.

      • esardi says:

        Quinn ia going to trade Alex for Sarah and Casey will help. God I hope I am wrong.

  9. herder says:

    I’m wondering if they do a Lord of the Rings and Sarah wants to claim the intersect as her own?

    • esardi says:

      Yeah one intersect to rule them all. (LOL)

      • esardi says:

        Well we were correct. Chuck has to die. It does look like he re-intersects himself or she is trying to get it from him. Also, does she not have the intersect or did Quinn suppress it.

      • Weaselone says:

        On the plus side, there’s no way they will kill him off until the second hour next week.

      • Quinn removed or supressed that corrupted intersect using the coded ‘flash’ cards.
        Neat trick – wonder who showed him how that worked? [ Project ISIS anyone?]
        BTW – there’s a certain agent Frost who wanders back in for another visit next week….

  10. gameagain says:

    Thoughts as they popped in my head:
    – What was up with the opening credits? Was that an homage or some other reference I didn’t get?
    – Morgan just said he “flashed all the time in the field.” What happened to “zooming”?
    – “I’ve never felt this powerful in my life before. It’s incredible!” Uh-oh. I smell foreshadowing…
    – Casey steps out with his gun drawn. “I’m sorry. I had no choice.” (Holy…!)
    – “..our unique talents.” “Do we have any of those?”
    – “We have something better than a Buy More. We have a train full of Japanese people.”
    – The Crown Vic returns!
    – “Your country needs you.” “Canada?” An amazing LOL moment.
    – Wow, Quinn must be part spider, part gekko for clinging to a bullet train that long.
    – Oh Canada anthem and Lester’s reveal. Dear God, when did Lester get awesome?
    – And now Jeff with a flamethrower. I’m gonna miss this show so much.
    – Chuck’s got serious non-Intersect fighting skills now.
    – Nice try. Ouch. But they know it’s local.
    – Is that her original hotel room?
    – “Your orders are to kill Chuck Bartowski.”
    – And the promo ending with “2-hour Chuck Series Finale.” 😦

    • sd says:

      Yes, it was her original hotel room…and the Canada answer…so funny. Of course, b/c Jeff and Lester never take orders and got themselves armed to the teeth they saved the day.

      I didn’t think the end would let us know she lost all her memories….I guess pretty much confirming next week’s first hour will start dark.

    • esardi says:

      One thing I am not buying was Quinn’s ability to become Spiderman. Sorry but that man looks like he is in need of a serious diet.

      • ArmySFC says:

        you just have to ignore a guy can fall out of a train going 100mph, hang on crawl under it and live. sigh.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Let’s refrain from the fat jokes. A lot of NFL linemen look like they need diets too. They are quick and strong.

        When a person falls out of a train going 100mph, they are going 100mph (Newton’s First Law of Motion). The only issue is wind resistance, which could be mitigated by a number of factors. Once under the train, there would be very little wind because the aerodynamics of the train blocks most of it to prevent lift. It’s not realistic, but it no more unrealistic than all of the bare fist fights with no hand injuries.

      • esardi says:

        Jeff I am not making fat jokes, I am referring to the fact that he would not have survived that fall. Also, please do not refer to NFL lineman. The plain fact is that a lot of those gentlemen do not make it past the age of 50. Quinn’s age is also a factor and no I am not marks disparaging remarks against the elderly.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Adam Baldwin is older than Angus MacFayden. They are both over 10 years younger than Casey’s martial arts mentor Ty Bennett , played Carl Lumbly.

      • esardi says:

        Jeff you have to admit that Adam is in pretty good shape. However, that said he would not have survived that fall either. As a matter of fact nobody but an intersected Sarah would have survived that fall. And let us not even bring up how he gets under the train.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I wasn’t saying it was realistic. And the problem isn’t getting under the train. The problem is there is not a large enough gap under a high speed train for even a really thin person. Weight, age, and strength have nothing to do with it. So why talk about the guy that way?

      • esardi says:

        I know Jeff you are right, I just want some semblance of reality every now and then. This reminds me when they brought Shaw back after getting shot in the chest 4 times and then falling 50 feet face first in the river. I should know better by now.

    • joe says:

      Hi, Gameagain.
      I suspect that they changed the credits (and skipped Short Skirt, Long Jacket) this week to save a few seconds. It was done once before, but somewhat differently.

  11. Aerox says:

    Still don’t see why they couldn’t have just given him an intersect. They’re like $29,99 at Costco’s nowadays.

  12. Aerox says:

    Different question, WHY EXACTLY does Chuck have to die? Wouldn’t it be easier if he just kept moving Sarah around and tell Chuck that unless he got the Intersect, he wouldn’t release her? I mean, he seems like an okay guy to me (despite liking to play with glittery cards). This just seems like a really roundabout way to me.

    • esardi says:

      Because Fedak needs his angst fix. Why else would a man that is probably 50 to 70 pounds over weight able to use his Spiderman powers to hang on by his fingernails on a train going 100 mph and win the day!

    • herder says:

      Why does Chuck have to die? maybe because Quinn tortured his wife and as easy going as Chuck is he might just want some revenge against Quinn for that. Easier to have Sarah do that than to have to wait around for Chuck to catch up with him.

      • Aerox says:

        seems like it would’ve been easier for mr Original Intersect and in pretty damn good shape to grab a pistol and blast him in the head than kidnapping Sarah.

  13. atcDave says:

    Wow! That was a fun ride. A few thoughts; the biggie, so far it looks like we’d all guessed this finale arc pretty well. I have no doubt there will be a few odd twists ahead, but I feel pretty good about how this will play out. I do like the idea of Chuck winning Sarah back like this.
    So much that was so cool in this episode. Sarah was awesome with the intersect. Of course she’s awesome anyway, but now she’s turned up to 11…
    Jeffster FTW! That was an awesome sequence. I knew those idiots had to find out eventually. Now it will be interesting to see if they are actually any help next week.
    Great Charah scene on the train. Very sweet, and makes what Sarah (and Chuck) lost very tragic. I do believe this is exactly what Yvonne has been talking about. I also believe Sarah will be fully or mostly restored next week and I REALLY look forward to seeing that play out.
    Quinn is a very good baddie. Maybe not quite as wacko as Volkoff, but every bit as menacing. I like his evil cleverness, and I’m really looking forward to teamB taking him down!

    As I’ve been saying all week, I do still wish they’d given us more of a fun celebration of Chuck for this send off. But this is shaping up to be a very good three part arc. If this plays out at all like I’m hoping this should be a total blast. And of course; the great part is we get both remaining parts next Friday! (is it next Friday yet???)

    • atcDave says:

      I have to add; a big part of what I’m very excited about was one scene in the preview. Sarah asking “you love me?”; seemed tender and real. I could be totally wrong, but that looked to me like Chuck starting to get through to her. Obviously I want her to regain all her memories, but Chuck winning her over and things coming back gradually could be very satisfying.

      • Weaselone says:

        I’m curious as to how Chuck manages to keep from taking a quick couple of bullets to his center of mass or directly to the head.

      • Aerox says:

        I think Sarah will try and integrate herself into his life again, try and find out his habits and find the perfect moment to strike. Not an instant hit.

      • Gord says:

        I’m pretty sure the sketch of Chuck Sarah and the baby in front of the house will be what stops Sarah from killing Chuck.

        I loved this episode and I will agree with atcDave that I have a good feeling about how it is going to play out. It’s not like Mask/Fake Name kind of angst, the bad guy has tampered with Sarah’s brain, but it will be her love for Chuck that will triumph in the end.

      • esardi says:

        That gave me hope Dave although I think that happens in 5.13. I think Aerox is right she will integrate herself back into his life before she strikes. That is why they say in the synopsis that she returns to him.

      • atcDave says:

        I’ll go out on a limb and make a prediction now; 5.12 will be about Chuck winning Sarah back over. It will take most of the episode, it will happen in small steps, but in the end Sarah will know she loves Chuck and Quinn is an enemy who hurt her and her husband. 5.13 will be about regaining what was lost (and the final defeat of Quinn). So in 5.13 we’ll see the memories and relationship restored. We heard Yvonne saying for over a week that the finale was about the Chuck/Sarah romance; and I think that means we will see it rebuild as they take on Quinn together. I actually feel pretty confident about that. But we won’t know until the very end how much of her memory will actually come back.

      • Non Omnis Moriar says:

        This is the first episode I’ve watched since Chuck vs. the Gobbler and I’m actually very disappointed with what I saw. When you’re watching a show and it fails to hold your attention, you know that it’s time to move on. I wanted to see if the show was fun again. If I should perhaps watch the remaining episodes. But I won’t. Strangely enough we seem to have the same taste in Chuck fanfiction Dave, but not in canon Chuck. Too bad though, I really wanted to like the show again. I really hope you and all the other people here enjoy the finale.

      • atcDave says:

        Sorry to hear that NOM. At least the fan fiction works for you!

    • Yep – that was a really really great episode…. definitely a home run…. with bases loaded.
      Probably the most relieved for the couple little hints that were dropped in the promo too.
      When we hear Sarah say,” You wiped away all my memories”…. and of course, “You really love me?” – whew – at least she has some awareness if not the memory part.
      I need to applaud you guys for your speculations…. BANG ON – although when they took Alex as a hostage – that was pretty cool. Especially as a way to let Jeff and Lester be the heroes [ hope that’s not the last /only time for them]
      So Chuck and Ellie have mostly figured out how to build their own Intersect.
      Sarah has had her Intersect [ and memories] removed the old fashion way….
      hmmmm – wonder where he learned to use the coded cards like that?… must have been specially trained in brainwashing by someone?
      I was kinda hoping Casey would get to shoot Quinn –
      but I guess there are still 2 hours of mayhem to unload on us.
      How difficult is it gonna be to wait until next Friday????
      GAAAAAAAAAAAA – deep sob……………………..

      • Gord says:

        Part of me can’t wait for next Friday because it is going to be a wild ride of a finale episode and part of me never wants it to come because it is the end of Chuck.

        Also part of me wishes I had all the gear in the trunk of my car that Casey has in his. I might have been able to use it to storm NBC HQ and make NBC give us another season of Chuck. Do you think Jeff and Lester would be available for that op. Was it just me or did Lester look like the Canadian love child of Rambo and Robocop. LOL I could also use Morgan as a sniper even if he hasn’t sniped before – wet or dry..

      • lappers84 says:

        All the pieces are in place – What an absolutely brilliant episode. I think that picture is going to be key to Sarah remembering again – and it’s always been hinted throughout the season how Chuck and Sarah only need each other. By the looks of the promo – and as some people have speculated Chuck and Sarah fight each other and it looks like the same scene in which she asks Chuck “You Love Me?” He probably let’s her beat him a bit (defends himself – whilst trying to talk her out of it.) – I wonder who she’s talking to when she said “You Stole My Memories”. Quinn??? Just looked weird to have the shot of Mama B cut in before she says it. (Probably just screwing with our minds.)

      • jam says:

        It’s disappointing to see MamaB pointing gun at Sarah since she only appears in the last episode, I was kinda hoping this amnesia crap would have been resolved before that.

      • Katsumaro says:

        @Jam
        I’m hoping Mama B appears in the first few minutes of the story and is one of the key characters who gets to Sarah and convinces her that this isn’t what she should be doing.

  14. Shepperd of Lost Sheep says:

    Not a fan of this story.

    No, that’s not it.

    Not a fan of the timing of this story.

  15. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    I noticed how they were talking about the Intersect being suppressed, not removed. I know they’ve used that term before, but for some reason it stuck out. I wonder if it’s important.

    • atcDave says:

      I was wondering that too. Perhaps we’ll yet see that Chuck can access the Intersect.

    • dkd says:

      Yeah, I noticed that too. Maybe it’s a nod to what Steven said about the intersect not being removed, but replaced by other images.

      But, in the promo, Chuck is staring at the glasses and they say “activate”. They don’t say “download”.

    • esardi says:

      Quinn was able to suppress it. I just do not know how. He never indicated that he was able to do anything like that. He did mention the fact that he needed a good version. Why does Chuck have to be killed is a mystery. It is just odd that he is her first mission instead of the intersect.

      • ArmySFC says:

        i think they were trying to say her brain was so wiped out from the flashes that she actually lost the information from the intersect. she lost all her memories from the last 5 years and the intersect is in that period. just a guess BTW.

      • Weaselone says:

        You’re right. That part doesn’t make sense. If it had been Chuck and Casey dumped behind the rest of the train instead of the other way around, I would assume that he used Chuck’s improvised device after completing the download to perform the suppression. But Chuck and Casey were left behind with the bulk of the train and presumably Chuck’s device.

      • Gord says:

        I’m thinking there are 2 reasons he want’s Sarah to kill Chuck. First because he is just so ticked off that Chuck got the intersect instead of him and secondly because it will be a test to make sure the program he put into Sarah is really working.

    • ArmySFC says:

      Jeff, Dave…i think they use it interchangeably now. chuck/hartley were surpressed. morgan, chuck and the gretas it was removed. i don’t it has much meaning.

      Dave going against all my hatred of FoD. i boldly predict that he is in mortal danger at some time in the next episode and he begins to flash. exactly what they were trying to do in that ep. it pains me to say that BTW.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        They are probably interchangeable, depending only on the writer for that specific episode. I just didn’t remember hearing “suppress” for a while, so it got me thinking…

      • atcDave says:

        I’ll have to watch again (ugh, not ’till tomorrow night!), but I was pretty sure we heard both terms with slightly different usages tonight. But I may be making connections that weren’t really there…

  16. herder says:

    Some crumbs for us to follow, a pristine intersect to be sought, perhaps Chuck get it and downloads it. Sarah and Chuck make whoopie on the train, maybe an intersect baby with the Bartowski DNA that can handle it. Ellie saying that Morgan had no permanent damage from having the flawed intersect, once Sarah has it removed she, like Morgan only has to have the memories returned, remember the de-interesected Morgan instantly remembered how much he loved Alex.

    Really a fun episode and once again Jeff and Lester being fun and involved rather than something laboured and tacked on.

    Due to a dispute with my evil empire of a cable service I don’t have a pvr (it would mean giving them more money) and have been recording the show on dvd, this time it failed and part was recorded and I lost some of the episode after the second commercial break, I will have to figure out when Spacetv shows the episode to reocord it and the last bit of the promo got lost but that will be on youtube shortly. It may take some time to re-watch, but I do want to rewatch which is the sign of a good episode. Man, I’m really going to miss this show.

  17. Katsumaro says:

    Well said JemmyjemFaithness. Your new name, by the way. I hope you like it. 🙂

    But really. Just finished it up, and yeah.. I noticed the term ‘suppressed’ as well. I wonder if that means there’s a way for Quinn to ‘bring it out of her’ if a situation doesn’t go in his favor. Guess we’ll have to wait and see there.

    I definitely feel it was tragic.. there toward the end, especially when Quinn was doing his voodoo on Sarah’s brain and then as soon as I saw her wake up, I knew it was bad. Then I saw the hotel room. Talk about Season 1 memories… man. This is going to be one wild ride.

  18. Aerox says:

    Last question: Why didn’t Casey just shoot him after the phone call? It’s not like there was much else they could do.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      I was thinking “SHOOT HIM CASEY!” My mind scream didn’t work. Casey from the pilot would shoot and then say, “Don’t Move.” Sugar Bear is too sensitive now. I blame Chuck, Morgan, and Alex.

    • Gord says:

      At that point hadn’t Casey kicked his gun over to Quinn? Also Sarah’s move with the chopsticks I’m trying to decide if that is a callback to Helicopter when she fought Casey in the wienerlicious using wiener sticks or a callback to the restaurant scene in First date..

    • Just wandered back over to grumble about the same thing….
      John Casey let me down tonight…..
      But you know – for some reason – I don’t really mind it so much when he’s slightly less than hero status….. much prefer Casey as the weakest link – to those times when they turn Chuck into a complete ‘KNOB’. Still – I’d like to see Casey get his pound of flesh in the end….. ~ just say’n [ This is really all his fault] … no backup plan/way out indeed!

      • armysfc says:

        and sarah after being told to take it easy, and chuck with casey and in no danger goes after quinn? is that a bright move for a super spy?

      • Aerox says:

        She stopped being a super spy roughly around the time she started falling for Chuck. Bryce was right, having emotions is going to get her killed, because holy crap have they been completely off their game for the past 3 years.

    • atcDave says:

      The phone call only bought 30 minutes. I think Casey was keeping his options open until he knew Alex was safe.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        At the end of the Chuck/Quinn fight is when I was thinking Casey should have shot him. (Before he took a hostage). Alex was safe then.

      • esardi says:

        I agree with Jeff he should have shot him then.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Sarah was wearing red lingerie under her black, combat ready outfit. She was ready for Chuck. However, I’d bet Casey was wearing a blue cashmere V-neck under is black BDUs. He’s gone soft.

      • esardi says:

        I think he is learning to become a father and Casey even has a girlfriend now. BTW why was she not around? Her agency could really come in handy at this moment.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        At the end of Kept Man, Gertrude invited Casey on a two month mission in Dresden.

      • Wilf says:

        … and Chuck’s response to the red lingerie – domo arigato – was a nice reference back to “The Ring” episode. Or at least I thought it was.

      • jam says:

        I thought he said “Domo arigato Mrs Bartowski” simply because they were in Japan.

      • Wilf says:

        Probably you’re right, but it still made me think of The Ring episode. Also, maybe their baby-making practice session might just have yielded that positive result they are hoping for later.

      • Faith says:

        “baby-making practice session might just have yielded that positive result they are hoping for later”

        OMG I didn’t even think of that! AHHHH!!!!

      • atcDave says:

        It would be fun if a pregnancy played into Sarah regaining her memories.

  19. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    The promo had a lot of clips from past episodes. I wonder if those clips are actually in the next episode. I’ve been thinking a clip episode is a possibility for a while.

    • esardi says:

      Don’t you think that might be from 5.13 when they are trying to reconnect with each other.

    • My (educated & somewhat informed) guess is that you will see these clips and more in the next ep – maybe the next two.

    • atcDave says:

      I’d guess a lot of that will have to do with reconnecting the memories. Just hope it doesn’t turn in to too much of a clip show, I want new content for the finale! (I’m not really very worried about it…)

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Short, occasional clips could be good. I doubt they will overwhelm the episodes (like SG-1 often did). From the promo, it looks like there’s still the Wienerlicious, the Intersect room with Sarah vs Morgan and Chuck, Castle with Frost vs. Sarah, maybe the house with Sarah vs. Chuck, something on a rooftop with Intersect glasses, a ballroom dance floor (making up for Zoom), plus all of the scenes to string those together. We’ll get more than flashback clips.

      • lappers84 says:

        I’d guess that the flashback will probably be brief – just another to jog Sarah’s memory. Which begs the question 5×12 or 5×13? Personally I’d like to think she starts remembering again in 5×12.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I wasn’t really worried about it. They’ve used clips well and effectively in Ring and Cliffhanger.

      • armysfc says:

        i think the old clips on the promo were being used like the ones at the start of an ep when they show what happened recently. since it’s the series finale they went back to the start and moved forward. i think the scenes we actually see are after the part led to this…

  20. So – about the episode – WOW I loved it.

    I’m sure someone is going to point out the flaws, the continuity breaks, the pacing issues – and I really don’t care.

    I loved it.

    Casey’s impossible choice – who spec’d it would be about Alex?
    Jeff & Lester being heroes?? Chuck drawing the perfect picture of their future?
    Sarah’s memory loss – who spec’d it would be because of the cruel – and I mean cruel – treatment Quinn gave her?
    People have hit bits and pieces of the story line in their spec, but no one hit the way they did it – and did it so well.

    The only problem now is, I have to wait a week for the finale. Yeah, I know it’s gonna be alright – but really, that isn’t what matters. We – all of us here and on other Chuck blogs – we really care about these characters, these relationships.

    That doesn’t make us shippers – that makes us human. It gives us a connection to what we want so desperately for ourselves. Relationships are what give our lives meaning, and this show, for us, has galvanized that fact. We want them to succeed, to ride off into the sunset – because that may be as close as get to it.

    Yeah, I’m going to miss this show.

    I hope – I really hope – that this last week will be one of remembering and rejoicing in this wonderful gift we got and not bashing anyone. It’s gonna be gone in on week – and when you think about the access the stars, the writers, the crew have given us – there is nothing else out there that will take it’s place. You may ask yourself, “Well, how did I get here?”

    • Faith says:

      What an amazing post and I couldn’t possibly agree with you more. Thank you for that.

      We are human, and what we see…what we saw today was the human condition. We saw love, we saw pain, we saw loss. It’s what makes life worth living, and for Chuck (even in these final moments), what to me makes Chuck worth watching. I’m thankful for the last 5 years, but none more so than in this moment.

      • lappers84 says:

        This has been probably one of the craziest 5 years a Chuck fan could ever have experienced – We’ve had highs. we’ve had lows, we’ve had moment’s we’d rather forget, and we’ve had pure silly comedy. Man, this show is going to be badly missed – I don’t think we’ll have anything quite like it again. And now we have 1 week left to close a chapter on our lives. In the immortal words of Chuck Bartowski “Don’t Freak Out”.

  21. mxpw says:

    And the reason why Sarah couldn’t just shut her eyes at the end was because?

    I’d actually really like an answer.

    • alex says:

      Disorientation?

    • Katsumaro says:

      She’d flashed 40+ times, was knocked out by a dart thingamabob, plot-convenience, and probably wasn’t really expecting flash cards, so she was caught off guard when the intersect went off, considering she couldn’t control the flashes?

      Just my guess.

      • mxpw says:

        She’d been sitting there for a good minute or two while Quinn monologued and then he outright told her what he was going to do with the cards and yet she still just sat there keeping her eyes open. That didn’t make any sense to me.

        I’ve been disoriented before. You know what I did? I closed my eyes.

      • Katsumaro says:

        I think it’s still partially plot convenience. All he’d done is forced her eyes open anyway. Doesn’t really matter at all. I was just rattling off possibilities for her not doing so, but really.. her biggest reason is probably ‘time’. As in time left in the episode. If she’d closed her eyes, there’d be a struggle to get them back open and that wastes valuable seconds. 😛

      • esardi says:

        When you come to think about it, why was she flashing so much? I could understand if she was not a trained agent, but she is the best. Why continue to flash to take out two guys? She has done that before with no problems. She definitely did not have to flash to take out Quinn.

        I guess that was needed for a plot devise, but really she goes from a ninja-kick ass girl to almost relying exclusively on the intersect. That did not make sense.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Most of the flashes were mission prep. She was flashing on train specs, coffin codes, Japanese, and I’m sure many other things.

      • armysfc says:

        part was mission prep the others like quinn were the addiction to the intersect. morgan did the same thing. remember she said she never felt as powerful before as she did when she flashed.

        keep in mind what was said before the season, how this year would show why chuck was special. he is the only one to down load it and not succumb to it’s charms or be altered in anyway.

      • Katsumaro says:

        If anything, Chuck hated the flashes, hated what it did to him, even if he did nerd out with Sarah there about how ‘cool’ it was.

        Still, he’d done everything to get it out of his head, and it actually came down to Decker taking it from him for him to be finally rid of it. Then again.. the intersect, like a roach.. just keeps worming it’s way back into Chuck’s life with Morgan, and that whole ordeal, and now Sarah. We saw how emotional Chuck got when Morgan started to forget things, didn’t want to be Chuck’s friend anymore.. now imagine how he’ll react when Sarah comes along, has no idea who he or anyone else in Team Bartowski is, and all that. He’ll have to fight to bring her back just like they fought to bring Morgan back.

        Either way, I think Chuck knows how important the Intersect’s been in his life, and how it’s changed it completely for him.. but he’ll have to go up against it one more time, and I can’t wait to see how it all unfolds. And I am glad they kept it to where Chuck is truly the special one.. the only one to resist it’s seductive dance of power, much like the ring in the Lord of the Rings.

    • JC says:

      The Office Depot was closed so Quinn couldn’t buy any tape.

    • herder says:

      In the train she said she couldn’t control the flashes, she couldn’t stop so presumably after the first she couldn’t control them either.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      They did the Clockwork Orange approach to Chuck in Suburbs. I really didn’t need to see them do that to Sarah.

  22. looseleaf says:

    Hi all, I’ve been lurking around Chuckthis since S3 and it seems that the penultimate episode of our beloved series is a good time for me to finally de-lurk and say that despite being disgustingly yanked emotionally and intellectually by Fedak & co. repeatedly for the past few years, I will still stick with the show till the very bitter end. No matter how skeptical I am of Fedak to adequately resolve such a complicated and beefy storyline (he really has a lousy track record), that, for all its intent and purposes seems to be created more for generating artificial distress or attempting to string a thread through an incoherent mythology rather than serving the characters, I still find myself looking forward to watching how Sarah will fall back in love with Chuck again (ie. regain her memories) within an episode and a half, as implausible as that sounds. How Team Bartowski is going emerge victorious with their very own special brand of saving the day. We all know how it’s going to end – happy, of course – but I’m sure it’d be an interesting, emotional, and bittersweet ride with lots of flashbacks, nostalgia, and most importantly, heart.

    I want to see a final dinner scene with Sarah and Chuck and Casey and Morgan and Alex and Ellie and Devon, a last conversation at the fountain, an abundance of grade soda, and a nice resolution to all the character development – basically just hangout a little with the characters I’ve grown to love so much (my babies!). Instead of focusing on the negative aspects of the final episodes (and there could potentially be quite a few), I’ve decided to foolishly throw all my doubts and fears away and just have faith in the wonderful cast, Tim Jones, Yvonne’s new makeup artist, the producers, stunt coordinators and some writers (sans Fedak). I want to enjoy it all (with a subway sandwich) and then say goodbye (with lots of ugly crying) to a show that’s been very close to my heart for 5 years.

    So…….. that’s all I wanted to say here, before Chuck officially ends and I’ll never find a better reason or moment to de-lurk. I will always miss S1/2, but I’m incredibly happy that we made it so far, the little show that could. It has been a pleasure, and now, excuse me while I make my leap of faith over the deep, dark valley of hastily resolved plotlines, character assassination and promised-but-seldom-delivered “epicness”. I hope to see you guys on the other side.

    • lappers84 says:

      I know what you mean, I only turned up on here at the end of season 4 – before we knew there was going to be a season 5. But it’s nice to hear from anyone on here, and what better time to do it than at the very end of the road. 🙂

  23. lappers84 says:

    I’ve always been interested in the human brain – and tend to liken it to a computer desktop/hard drive. Quinn supressed the intersect in Sarah as well as the last 5 years of her memory so that she will work for him. In my mind Quinn has simply stored all the data/memories on a zip file in the corner recesses of her mind – they’re still there, she just can’t access them yet, leaving enough brain space to feed her with false information. So as we know, in the next episode and a half things will happen that will slowly unzip her memories from that file (the weinerlicious, dancing scene, any fight scenes – all triggers.) Until she eventually regains enough of her memories to reunite with Chuck and take out Quinn once and for all. If this is the case, I would LMAO if when Chuck asked Sarah what she remembered, she replies by saying pretty much everything except there’s a point in the last 5 I just can’t seem to remember “I remember you downloading the intersect 2.0 and me asking you to run away with me, and then we were on a train in Paris.” and Chuck would just say “Honey, that’s all you need to know.” I know as contrived as it is, I would seriously laugh at that.

    • Jason says:

      Ha ha – that is funny, epically funny actually

    • armysfc says:

      lappers…this is just my take mind you. i think people are taking what quinn did as suppression. i don’t see that. if you piece what happened to morgan, memory loss because of flashes and the fact he has not gotten those memories back yet with what happened to sarah she lost 5 years. using your computer idea, the flashes erased the memory file of the last five years. from what they showed we don’t know yet if the intersect is still there or not. my guess would be no, they were in that file also.

      • lappers84 says:

        Possibly Army, I guess it explains why when he “Supressed” the intersect in her brain it somehow got rid of her current memories. It did seem she was starting to forget things before he even got to the suppression part (Forgetting who Alex was) but as far as we know she still remembered what she wanted with Chuck and the house. Quinn’s flash cards probably just hid what she still remembered (hence during those flashes we saw the odd scenes of her wedding and their first kiss.) So possibly when she get’s her memory back she may have to be reintroduced to Alex.

      • esardi says:

        Army, I thought I heard him say suppression when he was flashing those cards at her. He also said she would be his soldier until he got his intersect. That one has me wondering if he intends on killing her as well. Does anyone here believe that Quinn has done enough for Chuck to actually kill him? That would be somewhat tragic as he has never done that.

    • atcDave says:

      That would be perfect Lappers. It is one last opportunity for them to “make it right.”. But given the S3 track record I’d kind of prefer if they just left it alone…

  24. Jason says:

    First reaction – Fedak sure loves destroying Sarah Walker doesn’t he? Other than that, I’d say great characters, good episode, and lousy dramatic story as a first reaction.

    I am keeping an open mind toward the drama however. One thing I am glad, is that Fedak waited till the end to cram dreadfulness back down fan’s throats. The rest of the season has been a delight including the Train episode, other than the Friday the 13th – Christmas edition episode. The amnesia thing, in spite of being a crappy thing to do to fans and a lazy overused story, it might work. The parameters I will judge it on are:

    1 – How long does it last?
    2 – Does she get her memory completely back?
    3 – How much time does Sarah spend with Chuck, not cold killer Faux Sarah, but confused, Sarah struggling to get everything back?
    4 – How much bad does Faux Sarah do?
    5 – How ugly will be the thing or two we don’t know about be?
    6 – How rewarding is the pay off at the end?

    We’ll know soon enough.

    • atcDave says:

      While I’m not nearly as cynical about this as you seem Jason I do agree the whole “memory loss” thing is a dreadfully cliched TV trope. I’ll take it a step further and say not only memory loss, but the whole mind control/turning loved ones against each other is possibly my most disliked cliche after only the “love triangle”.

      But you know I’m pretty much fine with this. As I’ve said all week, this not how I would have ever chosen to end the show. But we know the most damaging part must be of fairly short duration, probably no more than a single episode (I’m thinking early 5.13 is latest things will be mostly set right), and it gives Yvonne one last opportunity to show her awesome full emotional range on this show. I expect to see cold killer, destroyed/despondent/broken, and finally joyful and in love. My first choice would have been a finale featuring just the in love power couple we’ve loved most of 5 seasons; but if this pulled off well, it could be a very entertaining send off.

      • esardi says:

        You are absolutely right Dave. Bullet train was a really good episode. Except for Quinn surviving the fall and why Sarah had to go after him. BTW that was a tough moment when Chuck was there and could do nothing to help his wife.

        However, over all a very good episode. I told you before I could handle the angst if it is just a plot to kill him. I do not understand the plot. Personally I would have used her to get me a good copy of the intersect, than I would not need any of them, but that is just me. Let us see if we get a better idea of 5.12 before it airs. I am hoping that happens.

      • lappers84 says:

        I agree about the cliche thing, but hasn’t Chuck always been about Charah?? This is the ultimate test for those two. In fact it kind of reminds me of various fanfictions where Sarah meet’s spy Chuck for the first time and she quickly warms to his way’s – which makes me think that killer Sarah won’t last too long once she actually meet’s Chuck, the memories will likely begin to return almost immediately (at least early memories.) Although we do still see spy Sarah a lot in the promo – so I could be totally wrong

      • atcDave says:

        I think you’re right Lappers. Worst case scenario Sarah is still completely zombified for all of 5.12. But I bet we’ll see cracks in the ice quite early, with Quinn’s control collapsing utterly by late 5.12 or early 5.13. Of course actual memories coming back won’t be until near the end. But I LIKE the idea of Chuck winning Sarah over again!

      • Katsumaro says:

        At first, I thought I’d hate the idea of the final episode being about Chuck trying to get Sarah her memories back and would have rather had her gain them back like.. midway through 12, but I’m starting to come around. As long as it’s not a case where Sarah still doesn’t really remember anything, and the show ends on them ‘starting anew’, I’ll be okay. I’d like for her to at least remember who her family is, what she’s done over the last five years, and what she shares with Chuck. I’ll be pleased if it’s that in any way.

      • lappers84 says:

        Maybe flashes of memories, but she doesn’t know what they mean – so just ignores it.

      • Katsumaro says:

        Assuming the intersect is only suppressed and not actually gone. We’ll see though!

      • dkd says:

        I think amnesia is a more acceptible storyline in a show about a brain altering device than in other circumstances. I like the possibilities of the storyline. The should have unleashed it earlier. It would have made a good five episode arc, as opposed to three episodes.

        I’m wondering if the fact the writers found time for Sarah and Chuck to have sex has more significance than setting up what she’s about lose and him drawing that picture, which probably does have some purpose in the next few episodes.

      • Katsumaro says:

        I was thinking maybe there was a significance to Chuck and Sarah having some sexytimes before all the major drama hit the fan, and along with the picture.. but then I figured it’d just make it all the more tragic when Sarah loses her memories of them. At least they got to share that last moment of passion with one another.

        That.. or maybe she’s pregnant. Who knows. I sort of hope she is.. but meeeh. We’ll see. D: I can’t wait.

    • esardi says:

      Jason, I totally agree with you when it has comes down to the Sarah character. Fedak has had a field day damaging her character, mostly in season 3. My main concern is what she does in 5.12. There is a reason that their relationship is in jeopardy. Sarah of 5 years ago was pretty cold blooded. She was mission driven. She has been given an assignment and that Sarah never failed an assignment.

      Yeah, I think her character might take a hit or two in the first half. Personally, I think the promo we saw last night might have been mostly 5.13 and not 5.12.

    • Jason says:

      Dave – I am very cynical towards the whole show’s writing. When the show goes dramatic, it makes me recall Micheal Jordan leaving basketball (for Chuck it is quirky, comedy that gets left) for baseball (Chuck’s embracing dark, ugly, dramatic story telling). Jordan was multi genre so to speak, but what he did in buckets was magical, in baseball was very ordinary.

      That being said, if the final is able to sell the struggle that the team AND SARAH must go thru to get things back and if the bad is not downright ugly or dragged on for too long with Sarah 100% in the dark, I will enjoy the last two eps.

      On the list of things to be thankful for, Daniel Shaw could have been brought back as the final big bad, how dreadful would have it been to have him walk into that bedroom as Sarah’s handler?

  25. Leigh says:

    There might be some crying going on. It’s not even 8 am yet, and I watched last night and then went to bed, and now…

    There are some ugly tears going on.

    Curse this show, why is it so affecting?

    *sniffle*

  26. atcDave says:

    For those who care about such things, this has been by far our most active episode discussion of the season. And with over 3000 hits on this site yesterday we’re seeing almost S3 levels of activity.

  27. lappers84 says:

    Some of the reactions on tumblr are hilarious, Lot’s of “WHY. WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO SARAH.” sob.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      A lot of people overreact to everything on tumblr. I created an account because it’s the fastest way to find out about spoilers.

  28. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    Big Mike is the only main cast member who doesn’t know the secret. Will he remain that way? I would sort of like to see him say, without any hints, “I know you own the Buy More and all, but could you please keep the spying out of here! I’m trying to run a store!”

    • esardi says:

      Jeff, I am wondering how 5.12 is going to play out. The main thing is just how she reintroduces herself back to the team and especially to Chuck. If she says I cannot remember, won’t the obvious question be then how did you find us? There can be the situation where she goes after him right away, but we know from the synopsis that she is hiding the fact that she intends to kill him.

      So the 64 dollar question is how does she get integrated back to the team with arousing suspicion? Also, as soon as she returns won’t Chuck and team try to remove the intersect immediately? That would have some effect on her and possibly by a vehicle to Quinn losing control of her.

      • lappers84 says:

        Good point Esardi – Unless she does some research on Chuck and heads to the Buy More, to do some digging – maybe Morgan finds her – and pretending she knows him follows him down to Castle or something. (She may have lost her memory, but she is still a spy.)

      • lappers84 says:

        Also hasn’t the intersect technically been suppressed??? Which I think is clever. Sarah is now Quinn’s prisoner of sorts – maybe the only way to fully unlock Sarah’s memories is to reactivate the intersect – which could kill her.

      • ArmySFC says:

        that would be new. so far they have never reactivated an intersect, just loaded chuck with a new one (s4).

      • lappers84 says:

        Did Decker actually remove Chuck’s intersect or simply suppress it??

      • atcDave says:

        He said “suppress”. But we have yet to see if there’s a meaningful distinction.

      • ArmySFC says:

        Dave, i think we find that answer in 13. last night i said that chuck will face a life or death situation and he would flash from it. call back to FoD type thing. if it was removed that wouldn’t be possible. so that’s my guess on how the difference gets explained.

  29. Shepperd of Lost Sheep says:

    I still don’t know what to make of Bullet Train, so forgive me if this is all over the place.

    The episode itself was easily the best of S5 – no argument from me.

    It’s the memory lost story line I’m struggling with. On the one hand I don’t think it’s a completely horrible storyline for this show, however I will stick by my earlier post that as a series ending storyline, I don’t care for it.

    Listen, I’m all for Chuck and Sarah finding themselves again and I get the point of the story they’re attempting. But I can’t help feeling that I’m being robbed from some really cool time with my friends prior to them leaving for good (if that even makes any sense)

    I’ve read the other posts:
    – oh they’ll be together in the end
    – it’s always darkest before the dawn
    – the ending will be sweeter because of the obstacles they’ve overcome
    – etc.
    And I also believe and understand all of that.

    The issue I have with comments like that is that they typically refer to “they”. There is no “they” in this final storyline, and as I write this, I think that’s what I see as the issue with the final story they’ve chosen to tell us.

    Would it have been so bad for BOTH Chuck AND Sarah to be pulling in the same direction in order to get something they BOTH wanted. 

    And I come back to what I said earlier, to me this series ending story line started too late on the season. The concept is fine and I can live with it, but I fear there won’t be enough time to properly and satisfyingly resolve the separation drama being imposed on us this late in the game.

    So although I have no issues with Bullet Train (except for Quinn’s mysterious Spiderman abilities), I have to sort of reserve judgement on the whole amnesia idea until the final scenes of the series, which tbh, could go either way right now.

    • atcDave says:

      I really do agree with most of that Shepperd (well, except I still think Baby is the best of S5!). I would have much preferred a happy send off for the Bartowski family instead of so much tension at the very end. But I do think we’ll see a “they” in most of 5.13. My guess remains that Sarah will break from Quinn’s programming right at the end of 5.12 or start of 5.13. Even if it takes her until the very end to regain memories, I think Chuck and Sarah will be working together against Quinn for most of 5.13.

      • Katsumaro says:

        Meeeeh on Baby 😛 I’d go with 5.11 superior to that one.

        But I do think that we’ll possibly see a resolution of Sarah’s ‘programming’ by Quinn and her being onto him being the one who messed with her memories. You don’t want a vengeful Sarah after you.. especially one who thinks she’s the way she was five years ago before Chuck and his family.

        I’m hoping for a powerful moment at the end of 5.12 where Sarah realizes (after beating Chuck up some) that she’s been tricked and she’s been beating on her hubby the entire time, and then we get 5.13 of some drama/mission and hilariousness with the ending.

      • esardi says:

        Katsumaro, I am thinking that picture that Chuck drew of them will have an impact and possibly save his life. They made an emphasis of it when she claimed that she did not remember Alex.

        I am thinking that she is getting close to eliminating Chuck while he tells her he loves her. Hell he might even say he forgives her because she does not know what she is doing. At that point there are small flickers of memory and that picture might do enough to halt her assault of Chuck. That maybe the moment she says to him “you really love me”?

      • Katsumaro says:

        Certainly sounds possible, esardi! Someone mentioned on Twitter that maybe the bit where they carved their names into the door of their ‘dream home’ could also come into play, which I think would be pretty cool.

        I guess everything’s speculation until it actually airs, though. I’m excited.. and anxious, but then I’m not because I know in two more episodes, we’ll have no more Chuck 😦

      • esardi says:

        I hate to say it but that is one reality that has not hit me yet. This show is the only thing that I watch on NBC besides Grimm. I watch Grimm because of Chuck. I am wondering if that show is going to take a hit when Chuck is gone.

        BTW, I agree with the door carving as bringing back some of her memories as well. I just think that picture Chuck drew might be the catalyst to save his life.

    • ArmySFC says:

      SLS i agree. one thing i don’t understand is the notion that this type of ending will make it sweeter because of the obstacles they over come. how much sweeter can in get than them planing to quit and raise a family? one year was so bad between them some fans ignore most of it? they already survived OLI’s, PLI’s, near death experiences, brain melting, separation, torture and the list goes on and on. if over coming all that didn’t make it sweet enough for people why would this twist work? like i said i just don’t understand it. i won’t argue with that idea because it is each to their own, i just don’t get it.

      • sd says:

        Given the housing market…it would stand to reason the house she carved their names in would still be for sale 🙂

  30. atcDave says:

    Funny thing is, now I have the time but I can’t bring myself to re-watch this one. I have no desire to sit through that end again. Maybe later.

  31. SarahSam says:

    Army I could be wrong, but this is the best way for Fedak to wipe out the season we shan’t name that was rife with all the things that you and Jason mentioned earlier. The same way that “Baby “nullified the need to address “Sam” , the memory loss is the “fix.” It’s the closest thing you’ll get to an apology for the mistakes made. The integral point in the body of the “love letter” to the fans will be the finale. I agree with Shep, if there is a misstep, there will be no way to fix it, so the timing is definitely bad. A final gift to you Sarah Walker, most popular character on the show. You’ll remember all the things you did before Chuck, but we will cleanse your soul of the things you did after meeting Chuck. It will be a renewal of predestined love. It will be “epic”

  32. SarahSam says:

    Yep. That’s the point.

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