More Finale Speculation and Spoilers

Sadly, I have no news to report.  But given the amazing and active discussion we’ve had at this site the last few days, we’ve managed to overwhelm yet another discussion page; and final page part deux is now crashing my iPad with distressing regularity.  So please, I beg of you all;  lets move the discussion to this new page.  The REAL last spoiler/speculation page we’ll ever need (?!).

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292 Responses to More Finale Speculation and Spoilers

  1. atcDave says:

    So let me start this off a little response to Jeff’s recent comment on the previous thread. I do agree S3 was, or at least should have been about more than a single issue. There were many legitimate issues to explore regarding Chuck entering the spy world as a professional and its impact on his friends and family. But the emotional baggage of what I see as a malfunctioning Charah story overwhelms everything else. So sad since I think there could have been a satisfying story there if Sarah had actually been there to help Chuck through the minefields and potholes; a “secret” or forbidden romance being hidden from the authorities could have provided warmth to a story and season that was otherwise lacking in that regard. And I’ll always maintain if Shaw had indeed been a team-mate, partner and mentor to Chuck without the added role of romantic rival; we all might have actually cared and felt some pain for Chuck when he turned traitor in the end.

    Don’t you love that Schwedak themselves invoked Chuckwin’s Law today?

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      Dave, while I don’t just S3.0 as harshly as most, the story you outline is almost exactly what I would have liked to have seen. It reminds me a little of Chuck and Sarah vs. Themselves.

      Here’s a retroactive what-if that balances the S3.0 story with less OLI angst: Episodes 1->4 would be kept as is. It might have been funny to see Shaw hitting on Sarah regularly. Sarah would always rebuff him while not letting on she wanted to be/was involved with Chuck. In episode 5, Chuck would misinterpret something and think Sarah was getting together with Shaw. Then the Other Guy ice cream scene could have happened around episode six. Then in episodes 7->12, they are trying to have a secret relationship, but still taking it very slow. They’d often failing in comedic ways because of missions, interruptions, bad timing, etc. A scene with Sarah threatening Hannah would have been great. The red test could still cause a rift for a short time (they have to have some challenges), but Shaw would not be a factor. The Paris scene would still be at the end of 13.

      • atcDave says:

        I would have been mostly happy with that outline Jeff. Pink Slip is an all time least favorite of mine; but one clunker would have been a vast improvement over six!

        (funny my suggestion sounded more like “Chuck and Sarah vs Themselves”; I really like that story….)

  2. ArmySFC says:

    saying in jest…sure just because some lame apple product can’t keep up, yet my bottom of the line 9″ mini hums right along you want a new page!

    fine by me and thanks!

  3. joe says:

    Thanks for putting this up, Dave. Amazing that, with less than 3 days left, spoilers are still coming. After Friday, no more spoilers are possible.

    At least, not until we start hearing rumors about a movie… 😉

    • atcDave says:

      THAT would make for an exciting exciting period of time! And I thought I was quivering in anticipation over Lord of the Rings…

    • thinkling says:

      I like the idea of Chuck exploring the more creative internet route for a movie. Somebody has to do it. Why not the nerd show? :0

      How much would a Chuck film, with budgets form S1 and S2, cost to make? (Wouldn’t have to have the Buymore, since it’s the most expensive set.)

      • ArmySFC says:

        according to the MPAA the average cost of a studio movie was about 64 million dollars. that was in 2006. if its an original script. if not, an example is spider man. there was an additional cost of 20 mil to marvel comics for it’s use. i’m sure it could be done cheaper but even at 30 million, you need to get 6 million at 5 bucks a pop just to break even. that’s 2 million plus who tune in to watch it for free.

        i guess if chuck was made into a movie and not by WB they may request a fee as well.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        A lot of production costs is actors salaries and special effects. Serenity’s product budget in 2005 was $39 million, and it had special effects. The second X-Files movie was $30mil in 2008. Currently, none of the Chuck actors would bring huge paychecks.

        The number I heard 3-4 years ago was $2mil for a “typical” TV episode. (I don’t know what a Chuck episode costs.) That includes amortized costs of sets, which would have to be rebuilt, and longer term actor contracts. With inflation, lets say $3mil. With on location shoots, it could be $5mil. With new sets it would be $7mil. With increased salaries, it could be $10mil. Then double it for the length of two episodes, making it $20mil. The producers are used to working on a budget, so they might be able to shave a little off that, but $20mil still sounds optimistic. Marketing costs (which are usually left out of production costs) could easily add $5-10mil, approaching Army’s number. Or they might assume the Chuck fan base will advertise enough on its own.

        That marketing money would be significantly more that what NBC “spent” so sales might be better than Nielsen ratings.

        The $4-5 cost is typically for a rental. Amazon’s digital movie purchase cost for new releases is closer to $15. If they did DVDs, they would probably be $20. However the seller gets a portion of that money, so revenues to the producers would probably be half of that.

        They also could do a one time TV release on a channel like SyFy, which is what the Farscape miniseries and Stargate movies did. That would offset at least half of the production cost, but would eliminate a lot of the rental money. If Chuck does ever get a syndication deal (which I doubt), that channel might partially sponsor the movie.

      • McNugget says:

        i liked the idea of a once a year type type thing . You would only need like 2 eps a year to turn into a mini movie . Who knows NBC could air it during Christmas as holiday programming . Get the ad revenue . WB should look in to something like that .

      • atcDave says:

        I don’t know any of the actual numbers, but I did hear the two SG-1 movies made money. Those were effects heavy, but the sets were presumably still existing from the series. They apparently made their costs back in video sales and the single airing on SyFy. They were initially marketed as “direct to video”. I think they actually look slightly better than the series, although that may have more to do with continuing improvements in CG as opposed to any increased budget.

      • ArmySFC says:

        Jeff DR says s2 was about 4 mil an ep, s3 2 mil and less for 4 and 5.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Stargate: The Ark of Truth had $4.16mil in three weeks rental and $9mil in DVD sales. Stargate: Continuum had $7.8mil in DVD sales. The production company’s cut would be a portion of that. Both had TV license money from SkyOne and the Sci-Fi Channel, but those aired after the DVD sales.

        Ark of Truth reused the set of the Odyssey, but like most SG-1 episodes, they did a lot of filming on location. Continuum featured the U.S. Navy’s Applied Physics Laboratory Ice Station, outdoor scenes in the Arctic, and the USS Alexandria submarine, but they had a very good relationship with the US military with two different USAF Chiefs of Staff making cameos in the series. So that might have been low cost.

        They did much of their production in Canada, but still… If those made money, their production costs had to be very low, maybe less than $10mil. Those were still a few years ago, but maybe a Chuck movie could be done for $15mil. They could film in Australia to save costs and push the budget down to around $12mil.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Found another reference. Babylon 5 cost $900K per episode in the 90s (half of Star Trek: TNG with better special effects). The 2007 direct to video movie, Babylon 5: Lost Tales, had a budget for 72 minutes of $2mil. It had low production quality and a reduced sized cast, but reportedly made money. It never had a follow-up because of the writers’ strike and because WB refused to increase the budget. The other B5 movies were concurrent with series production, so they cost about the same as two episodes.

        If they do a Chuck movie, I’d hope they do a quality one that doesn’t look cheap.

      • atcDave says:

        I don’t know Jeff; looking cheap has become part of the Chuck tradition since S3…

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Babylon 5: The Lost Tales proved you can always go lower. JMS turned down an offer from WB because “If anything else is to be continued from that story, it should be something that adds to the legacy of B5, rather than subtracts from it.” He no longer wanted to do low budget, because the low budget Rangers movie and Lost Tales subtracted from the legacy.

  4. dkd says:

    Do we really have to discuss Season 3 in a spoiler/speculation thread? It has nothing to do with the next few episodes. I would prefer one section for people who want to rehash Season 3 and another for true “spoilers and speculation.”

    (Of course, it’s not my blog, but I believe in clean demarcation of topics)

  5. Gringo Chuck Fan says:

    http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/chuck-vs-the-retrospective-interview-part-3
    Although there isn’t really much new NEWS in this segment of the interview [ really]….
    Interesting that Fedak and Schwartz were more critical of the ratings during Season 2 –
    and the impact those ratings had on both their budget – and on their creative process.

  6. ArmySFC says:

    DKD in the knife scene she looks like she’s wearing a night gown. dark in color with a kitchen knife. if it is a night gown i would suspect the bedroom.

    as for the coat, it’s not impossible for him to wear the same jacket at different times. but that is just a guess.

  7. ArmySFC says:

    ok not a new promo but someone took the video and slowed it way down. you can see things a lot better. it’s pretty cool.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=3Ip4-0GhUhM

    • lappers84 says:

      Haven’t noticed anything new tbh. although the brief shot after Beckman is a scene of Chuck and Sarah running down a flight of stairs – the rooftop scene they look to be wearing the same clothes so it could be after that scene – Maybe Quinn finds them and they have to escape or something.

      • ArmySFC says:

        i was looking for the color of sarah’s top when she beats on chuck. most of it looks black but i froze one shot that shows her right sleeve looking purple almost the same color as the one with the gun. i just can’t grab the frames to compare.

      • lappers84 says:

        I think if you look closely it’s the same top she’s wearing when she turns around in Castle and Mama B has a gun to her.

      • ArmySFC says:

        could be, lol. yeah don’t see much in the one of her in castle with mary. and i’m pretty much done trying to look.

      • dkd says:

        The person who made the “slowdown” video used the footage from the episode, which cuts off the bottom part of the screen for the credits. If you watch the version at NBC.com/chuck/video, it is very clear that Sarah is wearing a different top when Mary confronts her than what she wore at the house with Chuck.

      • thinkling says:

        When I slow mine down, it looks like the beat down and the gun/never-hurt-you moment and the you-really-love-me moment are part of the same scene. Matching tops all around. The last is dark but there’s a purple hue to the top. It would make sense for those to all be part of the same sequence.

      • herder says:

        Saw a promo on NBC last night for friday’s episode, I think that was the first promo for the show that I’ve seen aired since October.

  8. jam says:

    My own pet theory on how Sarah will get her memories back:

    Ellie’s attempt to use the glasses to restore Sarah’s memory will fail, everyone’s really sad but then later Chuck does/says something (or it could be a series of little things) that will cause her memories to come back anyway. No facts to back this up, it just seems like a thing this show might do. 🙂

    Of course, I’ll happily accept other methods too… and I really hope we don’t have to wait until the last few minutes. If Sarah was back to her old self when they face Quinn it would be awesome.

    • lappers84 says:

      I agree I really want to see Sarah Bartowski get her revenge on Quinn for trying to take her future away from her.

      • lappers84 says:

        This is where I think the picture comes into it. Ellie’s method to regain Sarah’s memories fails – and depressed Chuck finds the drawing and tries to get through to her with it, and it works.

      • atcDave says:

        That would be awesome Lappers, I hope it’s something like that!

      • ArmySFC says:

        see that’s why people are different. if that is indeed the way it happens, i’ll throw up in my mouth, seriously i will. i make no bones i hate this arc, but i am on board with ellie’s glasses either fixing all of them or enough for her to remember chuck and friends. then have flashes of memory coming back. at least that is related to how she lost them. the intersect took it away the intersect can restore them. some faerie tale ending is not what i’m looking for.

      • lappers84 says:

        That drawing will be hugely influential in helping Sarah regain her memories – otherwise it’ll just be a red herring, and to me it was too nice a moment for it to be any less than significant for the following episodes. But that’s just me

      • ArmySFC says:

        lappers, there are a lot of things they have used that could be important to her memories. the drawing, the etched names and others. i guess the question is which one do the PTB think is more important. the ones not used could all be considered red herrings. they just can’t use them all can they?

      • Jason says:

        Lappers / army – Just being alive seems very un-Chuck-like as the payoff, doesn’t it? The things I wonder if TPTB will payoff are the pregnancy and the white picket fenced house with the red door. Much like season 4 teased the marriage all season, then paid it off at the end, this season’s Chuck / Sarah tease probably has been the pregnancy or children in general, and the house that was brought up way back in 5×1. Given that Fedak told us he had the last scene in mind since the end of last season, again, I wonder will the house and the pregnancy be the big payoff or not?

      • ArmySFC says:

        Jason, my guess is as good as any i suppose. i doubt there is a pregnancy, unless they do a flash forward at the end. they did try to say no to the pregnancy with the test being negative. yeah i can hear all the …it could have been a false negative…

        the house does look like it comes into play in 12. if i had to guess the order of appearance it would be, house then picture. these will be used to get her to believe they are on the same side and quinn is not. i still go with ellie coming up with something to get all/most of the memories back.

      • dkd says:

        I see the house with the picket fence as a symbol of the future rather than a “must have” item to see in the final few minutes. If they want to put it there, fine. But, if they don’t, I doubt I’ll consider it a major “fail” on their part. I’d like them to be a little bit more creative and not do something that was telegraphed.

        They did good by the proposal by telegraphing for a long time that Chuck needed this amazing place to have a proposal and then they did the opposite. Casey said it right, “Forget about the balcony, Bartowski. All you need is the girl.”

        By the time we get through the first hour tomorrow, it could very well be a case that the picket fence is as irrelevant as the balcony.

        Personally, I don’t think a pregnancy is a “must” either as long as its implied that it is in their future.

        I doubt I am going to be disappointed by whatever they do.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        dkd, I like the picket fence/balcony parallel. Life is never perfect. It’s the important things mean the most, not the little things.

      • atcDave says:

        I’m not particular interested in the outer trappings either. As I was saying yesterday they were happy to be together and plan a future together as CIA agents last year, as private spies together most of this season, and with the idea of “normal” late this season. Any of those could be acceptable as happy endings. The key remains Chuck and Sarah together; any additional details we get will be bonus.

      • Jason says:

        DKD – I don’t know if anyone said ‘must have’. I simply brought up in the past, these season long teases have been paid off. I don’t understand the balcony as teased all season long in season 4 – apples and oranges so to speak, the proposal and wedding were teased in season 4, not the balcony. In season 5, the house and pregnancy have been. I just asked, I assigned no value to the inclusion or exclusion factor, interesting you jumped there immediately?

    • atcDave says:

      I’m still betting it will be somewhere between the two extremes; she may have some memories back, but I think the main thing is she’ll know she loves Chuck and is happy to be his wife even if she can’t remember all the details. Basically the falling in love all over trope. When they face Quinn in the end Sarah will know exactly what Quinn stole from her and will be furious about it. But finally in the end they’ll either get Ellie’s help, or some gadget from the recently deceased Quinn that fully restores her memories.

      • On the bright side – with all her memories from the last 5 years wiped clean….. she won’t remember anything about Shaw…. ~ just say’n…

      • atcDave says:

        No doubt Gringo – there is a silver lining!

      • dkd says:

        Morgan never got all his memories back. He had to rewatch Star Wars, for instance. But, Chuck was able to jog his memory about what happened in middle school. Maybe it will be like that. Maybe she’ll have 75% memory recovery with Chuck helping her in the way he helped Morgan. 75% would be good enough for me and, as was said above, he doesn’t have to bother getting her to remember the bad stuff.

      • atcDave says:

        Yup, I agree entirely DKD.

      • lappers84 says:

        oops, posted to the wrong reply:

        This is where I think the picture comes into it. Ellie’s method to regain Sarah’s memories fails – and depressed Chuck finds the drawing and tries to get through to her with it, and it works.

      • Alf says:

        I don’t think Ellie’s solution will fail , it’s just that Sarah doesn’t trust them enough in her current state to let them try it . So I think when she does , something will happen like the glasses get destroyed somehow or stolen by Quinn . Then Sarh has to trust Chuck enough to go on this mission to save trier future in 5.13 .

      • TomM says:

        Dave, I agree with you on this. I don’t believe that there will be a magic wand for Sarah getting her memories back. As you said, Morgan never did get back all of his memories. Isn’t it the point, that she has to fall in love with him all over again? If that is the case then she is doing it without any, or few, memories of their past. Maybe this partial memory loss is what Ivonne has referred to as “slightly” tragic about the finale. I can see a future with Chuck filling in the many gaps until the time that his memories become theirs.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Rewatching Star Wars was to trigger memory recall, like Chuck’s story did on the roof. We don’t know if Morgan has 100% of his memories back: https://chuckthisblog.wordpress.com/spoilers/the-last-spoiler-page-youll-ever-need-pt-deux/#comment-62283

      • ArmySFC says:

        Jeff…seems like another thing that just won’t die.

      • atcDave says:

        Army we’ve already been told that exposing someone in Sarah’s “condition” to old memories will help bring them all back. It’s what was done with Morgan. So likely the drawing and the other call back events we’ve heard so much about this week will all be used as devices to help Sarah remember. The drawing in particular was a big part of the set-up with Sarah actually saying she’d never forget it. So my bet is it will be either the first or final breakthrough. That is; it will be the first familiar thing that brings a key memory back (like the fact she should trust Chuck), or it will be the final item that opens the floodgates and brings everything back (my bet is the latter).

      • ArmySFC says:

        Dave, it was in response to the debate over permanent or temporary loss that popped up after DKD’s post.

      • lappers84 says:

        I rather hope the drawing is the last thing that brings the majority of her memories back (or at least the most important ones.)

      • dkd says:

        The drawing could be used for another purpose–to help convince Sarah who the good guys are. There’s got to be some instrument that turns Sarah from working against Team B to realizing that Team B’s side of the story is true. Let’s say Sarah doesn’t remember Chuck, but she does remember her childhood. If Chuck showed her the picture and explained that it was her idea to go for the picket fence because of the story she told him, she would realize Chuck was more than a mark, but someone she told intimate things to.

      • ArmySFC says:

        DKD…another winner, your on a roll.

    • joe says:

      I sorta like that sequence, Jam. It’s very “Chuck-ish”.

      I understand (this is a spoiler page – right?) that Jeff & Lester have a big role to play. They’ve been stepping up this month, and I’m not sure they’re done playing with heavy firearms yet.

    • Michael66 says:

      Nah. Chuck and Sarah will wake up in bed the following morning.

      ———–

      “Chuck, honey, wake up.” Sarah was lying in bed next to Chuck with a deep look of concern on her face. “You’re having a nightmare.”

      Chuck’s eyes open and he smiles when he sees her face. He is so happy that it was just a nightmare. “Oh, it was nasty.”

      “Care to tell me about?”

      “Well, you and Casey were spies, sent to protect me from some bad guys.”

      “Really?” She smirked. Her husband had such an imagination.

      “Yeah, and Larry, Darryl and Darryl were some guys named Morgan, Lester and Jeff.”

      She leaned in towards him and gave him a quick kiss, “Well, Bryce will be arriving soon with your Mom and Dad, so let’s get downstairs and help our paying guests check out.”

      • joe says:

        AAAAAAHHHHHHRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!

        😉

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I didn’t watch The O.C., but in recent interviews I found out that Scott Krinsky played a homeless guy named Darryl in that show.

        Michael, if you want to be spoiled, read this:
        http://chucktv.net/2012/01/25/chuck-final-countdown-adam-baldwin-chris-fedak-reminisce
        Read the answer to the question “And is there any – this may be too much of a spoiler, but is there any breaking of the fourth wall at the very end to have the actors say anything directly to the audience or you Mr. Fedak and Mr. Schwartz for that matter?”

      • lappers84 says:

        That actually makes me feel quite a bit better.

      • atcDave says:

        That is very well done Michael! I’m just glad we’ve been specifically told it will not be a Newhart ending.

      • Jason says:

        Lappers, I can’t say I know the exact order or anything, but I am guessing that starting in the 13th ep, pretty much right away, Sarah is going to systematically fall in love with Chuck, remembering nothing about the past, all over again. But, at the end of the day, I think Ellie will restore 100% of Sarah’s memory, probably right before the last scenes, or if you think the final of season 4, at the time Sarah was cured in cliffhanger.

      • atcDave says:

        Jason that is my suspicion as well. I think 5.13 could be quite sweet and satisfying by the end. But it still makes me a little sad that we’ve likely already seen the last of the fully functioning spy couple. We can be pretty sure all will be well when the end credits come up; but it sounds like we will see drama until that very last moment.

      • lappers84 says:

        I think it still begs the question where the “You really love me” scene comes into. 5×12 end or somewhere in 5×13??

      • Jason says:

        Lappers, I am hoping this is a case that Fedak will actually tell a better story than the pieces seem to indicate he can, a synergistic collaboration of events where the ‘whole’ greatly exceeds ‘the sum of the parts’. I could see the love me? question appearing in any number of places, from very early to very late, depending on the context. If indeed Sarah gradually falls in love with Chuck during the 13th ep, I would hope she already knows the answer to that ? by mid 5×13, so until I am proven wrong, I am guessing that line is used sometime in 5×12.

      • atcDave says:

        My guess would be its a big event towards the end of 5.12; it may be the moment that saves Chuck’s life and stops her from killing him; BUT, Sarah still doesn’t actually remember anything and the truce will likely be uneasy for at least one more act.

      • dkd says:

        I’ve had this evil thought that the “You love me” scene occurs BEFORE Sarah beats up Chuck. It would be sick, but Sarah could ask, “You love me?”

        Chuck responds in the affirmative.

        Sarah than says, “Well, then, you’re a fool,” and then wallops him.

      • ArmySFC says:

        DKD…now that would be sweet!

      • atcDave says:

        Dang, tough crowd…

      • dkd says:

        Thank you, Army.

      • joe says:

        @Jason

        Sarah is going to systematically fall in love with Chuck, remembering nothing about the past…

        So she essentially falls in love with him twice (and then has her memories of the first time restored)?

        Cool! I like it.

      • thinkling says:

        If clothing and logic are any indication, the beat down / gun / you really love me are in the same scene in 5.12 … very near the end. The you really love me I believe is more of a realization than a question, probably brought home when Chuck refuses to hurt her even though she is about to kill him. The clothing matches and it makes the most sense to me. I could be so wrong, but that’s how I imagine it playing out.

        CF said that 5.12 is self contained and more about S5 story line, and that 5.13 is more about the whole series.

        My Costa Gravan Pesos say that Sarah’s realization of what’s happened and that Chuck is the good guy and that he really loves her need to come in 5.12 or right off the bat in 13. There is too much to do in 13 to carry over the CvS drama from 12. They have to wrap that up and move on. What will carry over is the problem of getting her memories back and them getting their relationship back. Add to that the need to catch the bad guy and whatever other evil goes with that. Then they have to put a bow on it.

  9. ChipLecsap says:

    Typical crazy shipper pff.
    I want her to remember SHAW, like or not, that is part of her journey, Chuck and Sarah not just happy stuff, they need to remember the Sad stuff to, that is what make them who they are now. And I realy hope she will get her memory back before the finale shutdown. I want to see her when she realized what Quinn did with her, that She almost killed the MAN of her life, the reason of her life.

    • Jason says:

      Chip – my tradition is to call everyone who uses the term crazy shipper, a delusional fanboy or girl, sorry we can’t break tradition now can we? But I agree with you, I want Sarah to remember season 3 too. If I have to remember, why shouldn’t she, right? Plus, season 3 it is part of her, just as you said, the good and the bad. I am guessing she will get her memory back, since the final mission is to get her memory back, my guess is Chuck will not fail, the name of the show is after all ….

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      I’ve said I’d like her to not remember Shaw, but I was just kidding. Remembering the entire journey and trials that got them where they are is the best thing. It could be funny if she brings up Shaw, Hannah, and/or Jill and Chuck pretends he has no idea who she is talking about. Morgan would start babbling and filling in the blanks for Sarah, while Chuck would be trying to get him to shut up using Pig Latin. A lot of viewers would hate it, I’m sure. I don’t think this will happen, but it could be a good gag.

    • joe says:

      “Crazy Shipper” is an epitaph used on that other blog, Chip. 😉

      But I see your point, and the point many have made about how they hate the idea of “throwing out” the past five years. I don’t think it’ll be like that, but I’m okay with Sarah recovering enough memories that we can say “She’ll be alright.” Or better, “They’ll be alright!”

      I’ll be happy to fill in the rest in my own private thoughts over the next few weeks.

      • lappers84 says:

        Just a couple more days and we’ll know for sure.

      • jam says:

        I indeed would hate the idea of Sarah forgetting anything, this season alone her character growth has been remarkable.

        I certainly have criticized Fedak at times, but the whole idea of permanent memory loss is so offensive that I am trusting him to not go that way.

    • Faith says:

      I’m quite offended! The term “crazy shipper” is a compliment in my book 🙂

  10. So I’ve been reading this thread and all the spec about how, how much memory Sarah gets back & I have to tell you, the romantic in me wants her to fall in love with him again before getting all her memories back. Think about it – how many first kisses do you get with one person? How many other firsts are there that they could experience. How ….
    I’m sorry – my mind went blank there for a second.
    Anyway, your get the drift. 😉

    • dkd says:

      You and I are on the same page. I want that too. I really, really want to see that 2nd “first kiss”.

    • lappers84 says:

      I think it’s a fair assessment that Sarah won’t get her full memories back until the end – but I think it’s a safe bet that she will gradually fall for him all over again. (Why wouldn’t she it is Chuck after all.)

      • dkd says:

        It’s Chuck minus that cute “poodle hair” he had in the early days that even Carina found him “cutish”.

    • atcDave says:

      I think that’s a very good guess for how it will be Peter; and I agree, I really like that part of it!

    • thinkling says:

      I expect that will be the path, and I’m fine with that. It will be fun to see that even if she can’t remember, the love’s still there. But then I want her memory restored in full (give or take), because finding the love and the 2nd first kiss can only restore so much.

      Pacing will be key.

    • thinkling says:

      I can see a lot of sweetness and humor and heart in that process.

    • Faith says:

      That to me is beautiful storytelling.

  11. lappers84 says:

    Just saw a twitter post from ChuckTv. And according to him/her the finale is really good albeit unexpected but really sweet. So I’m confident she will get at least the majority of her memory back, before the very end – as most of you have said. I agree 5×13 will be mostly be a trip down memory lane for us and I suppose Sarah is our eyes and ears down the road – Whilst taking on Quinn. Man I’m so excited.

    • lappers84 says:

      Also according to ChuckTV on twitter – it is indeed a love letter to the fans and we will likely need kleenexes. I’m pretty sure that will be the case anyway, but still.

    • Faith says:

      It’s Mel. She’s a good friend of us here at Chuckthis and she also rated the finale a 15 out of 10 so…needless to say, bring on the end! Wait no…not yet…ok bring it…no. This is tough!

    • atcDave says:

      You know, I always get crazy excited every week when a new Chuck is on; but this is as pumped up excited as I remember being for anything as silly as tv show since I was a kid. I’m still wary of 5.12; but I’m really eager and ready for 5.13. And dreading 10:00.

      • thinkling says:

        Ditto that, especially the 10:00 part. It’s a very odd mix of emotions.

        Mel’s review makes me less wary of 5.12. She said it was “really good.” So I still expect a ton of emotion, but I trust it will be really well done. I now cautiously expect to like it rather than just hoping to get through it.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I was encouraged by Mel’s comments too. Hopefully it will all be fun, and I really did like the look of the big confrontation we’ve seen in previews. Intense can absolutely be good.

  12. Wilf says:

    Is it coincidence that Subway have today announced that they are to open 600 new branches and create 6000 new jobs in the UK and ROI over the next 3 years? I feel sure that Chuck and its fans have created the conditions necessary for this 😉

    • ArmySFC says:

      Thanks, she still doesn’t seen to know to much about the past. i know this takes place in 13 because the actor you saw with the phone put it on his FB page that he did his work with YS during the last week of filming.

    • lappers84 says:

      48 seconds and you can already sense the sexual tension between the pair. I think it’s safe to assume that she probably knows at this point that the whole marriage thing is real and he loves her.

      • Mike says:

        For sure, lappers, I didn’t realize how I much I missed that tension until watching the clip. The finale should be an excellent counterpoint to any who may claim the chemistry between these two has waned.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        [voice that sound like Fred Willard a.k.a. Craig Turner] Want to recapture that sexual tension that has been missing since your marriage? Then we have just the thing for you! We call them the Intersect glasses! Make your special someone forget the monotony of marriage and help he or she rediscover what it feels like to fall in love, all over again! Only $29.99, plus shipping and handling. Act now and we’ll throw in a matching pair for free!
        [fast speaking lawyer voice]: It is highly recommended you do not use the second pair of Intersect glasses the same time as your spouse, for obvious reasons. It is also recommended that you do not let the glasses fall into your arch nemesis’ hands. By using the Intersect glasses, you are waiving Orion Industries from all responsibility of any harmful side effects, due to memory loss.

        lappers and Mike, I agree. The part above just popped into my head.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      Ok. Before everyone starts claiming retcon, I’d like to point out Devon only taught Chuck the girl’s parts to the tango. The boy’s parts of all of the dances could have been taught by Sarah. 😉 Great scene. I have no idea where it fits, other than sometime between 29 and 31 hours from now.

      • ArmySFC says:

        Jeff, i don’t think that will come up. he says you taught me to dance. devon taught him first like you said but they did something similar in an earlier ep with them on a run. she could have taught him later and it makes sense, just like the training.

      • McNugget says:

        That makes sense . Sarah would have spent hours upon hours training Chuck before she let him go into the field with out the intersect 🙂 It’s her chuck after all .

        Although I did laugh in 4.10 where apparently Ellie is Patrick Jane’s apprentice and she can hypnotize Morgan like with a wave of her pen lol

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I was kidding about what Sarah said.

        McNugget, I thought it was funny that Ellie needed a college course to know how to hypnotize Morgan with a pen. When she was in high school, throughout college, and up through season 1, Ellie hypnotized Morgan by walking in the room.

      • atcDave says:

        I’m glad this has come up a few times this season. Somehow in the first two seasons neither Sarah nor Casey taught Chuck anything (exagerating….. they did teach about tailing in Sizzling Shrimp!)
        But I’ve really liked how its come up a few times this season how Sarah has taught Chuck some fighting, some dancing, been his running partner…

      • McNugget says:

        lol Jeff

        That’s the one part of the show I missed as the seasons went on . Ellie became more tolerant of the beard .

      • lappers84 says:

        Yeah even to the point of calling him a catch – that you would never have heard from her in season 1.

    • dkd says:

      I think the scene is in 513. I love it.

      So much better than that Morgan/Sarah dance earlier in the season. Another thing to be gotte from the scene besides the fact that Sarah doesn’t have her memories is that Chuck doesn’t have the intersect in his head either. He didn’t need to flash on the tango.

      She’s also letting him lead, which she didn’t with Bryce (per Bryce’s comment).

  13. joe says:

    G’day, all. I just found this via Twitter:
    http://www.tvline.com/2012/01/chuck-series-finale-video-chuck-sarah-dance/

    Exceptionally exciting. If someone else has posted this link, thanks! and apologies for the duplicate.

    Added: Oops. Same clip as Katsumaro put up above. Thanks, Kats.

    • esardi says:

      You know Joe, we have, well let me correct that, I have been complaining for a while that Chuck and Sarah were not acting like a couple because Fedak had toned it down some. I have a distinct feeling that he is going to let loose with sexy times like we have not seen in Chuck in a long time. I think that 5.13 as that clip just demonstrated will be full of that sexual tension that we all loved so much in season 1 and 2.

      The difference is going to be that they are married and Chuck is no longer shy.

      • lappers84 says:

        Indeed – it’s not longer bumbling nervous Chuck – it’s now suave confident Chuck. 🙂

      • joe says:

        It’s a great point, esardi.

        I think that’s about right, though. Wouldn’t it be weird to see “sexual tension” post-wedding? What we saw in S1-S2 was an amazing depiction of frustrated longing on both their parts, something familiar to everyone who’s gotten through adolescence. It grew in pathos during S3 when two adults had to make conscious decisions about what was happening, where they were going and who was going to be affected either way. Sweet sorrow gives way to bitterness, usually, IRL, and it takes maturity to handle it. But they did, and found a way to be together despite it all in S4.

        The “tension” should be relieved by S5, and I think that relief is what we saw during the season. Love’s not about tension, and I’m glad they’re beyond that. The fire in their eyes, though (and in their posture, actually), is something else. That doesn’t go away with familiarity, or shouldn’t, anyway, and I’m sure that’s what everyone’s talking about.

        But it’s so important to understand that this kind of thing is exactly what makes Chuck exceptional. The entire show evolved and changed from “crushes” to profound love, from comic-book hero to self-sacrificing heroism. To coin a phrase (…NOT!) this is not what your normal TV show does.

      • Jason says:

        Just a little over 26 hours and the spoiler & speculation part of the Chuck experience will end. During the dance, Sarah looks like she is on the mission with Chuck, but is not remembering him at all. I wonder how deep into the 13th episode this scene is, I’m hoping it is in the second act, between the 10 and 20 minute mark, or even earlier? I am thinking the Buy More scene callback from the pilot will be very early in 5×13.

      • thinkling says:

        Jason, I would say yes, she’s on a mission with Chuck and doesn’t remember much, but she trusts him, and she’s definitely beginning to fall for him.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      Same video for international readers:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpomvPMvceU

    • esardi says:

      Totally correct lappers; It is time to pull all the stops to get the girl. Zach did mention that whatever Jeffster does is essential in making her remember. So you think it is something to do with that Best Friends episode in season 2 where Chuck was holding her hand as they are listening to them?

      • atcDave says:

        Did I miss something? I knew Jeffster would play a key part in the story, but I hadn’t heard it would actually be related to Sarah’s memory. I’m not trying to be difficult! But inquiering minds need to know…

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I thought the goal of Jeffster was to melt people’s brains. I do like the idea of a Best Friends call-back.

      • atcDave says:

        Oh yeah, great scene! I’d rather not see Sarah’s face all cut up again though (ewwwww!)

      • esardi says:

        Dave it was in one of the early interviews where they were asked Zach about Jeffster and if they were going to be part of the team now. He replied that they would be in it and play an essential role with Sarah. It had something to do with their performance.

        I will try to find it again and give you the link.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        esardi, I don’t remember the link, but I think I remember the interview now. At the time, I took that to mean they had an essential role in the _mission_ to get he memories back. In other words, they provided a distraction or something like that. But I see where your interpretation might make sense too.

      • atcDave says:

        I’ve seen SOOOOO MANY interviews this week I don’t even remember what’s what anymore!

      • joe says:

        I know that feeling, Dave. I’m still glad. Overwhelmed, but glad.

    • Katsumaro says:

      All good, Joe! Just glad I was able to help a little bit. 😀 Was on twitter as soon as it was linked up.

  14. uplink2 says:

    Ok as this seems like the appropriate place to put this, here is my speculation for the final moment of the series.

    After Sarah regains her memories in part because of the work of Ellie and the picture from the train being the final trigger that brings her back we see them hold up that picture and they dissolve through to Chuck, Sarah, and baby Bartowski standing in the exact positions from the drawing but for real. They then turn and walk into the white house with the red door and the picket fence. As they take the baby inside the both touch their names etched into the archway with a new one added. Fade to black

    Wicked corney, sappy and all but as Bdaddydl mentioned to me right after Bullet train ended, the picture will be the key as she ‘will never forget that’.

    • atcDave says:

      Sounds about perfect Uplink.

    • jam says:

      Mel from ChuckTV said the finale wasn’t what she expected (and she’s been expecting a Bartowski baby + while picket fences).

      Of course, she could have talked in broader terms.

      • dkd says:

        I don’t know if Mel has been hyper-analyzing previous spoilers as we have. What could be a surprise to her could be spec we’ve already talked about.

    • joe says:

      Fantastic, Uplink. I won’t be surprised a bit if we get to see exactly that scene.

    • Big Kev67 says:

      Gotta say I’d rather see something a little less obvious. They’ve forshadowed the house and babies all season, and the picture scene in Bullet Train was beautiful. If they use the picture as a trigger to bring Sarah’s memories back, and leave it at that, that would be enough for me.
      I’m holding out for a final scene on the beach. Full circle. Probably equally obvious, but just seems more in tune with their whole journey, and a bit more subtle.

      • Katsumaro says:

        Eh. I’d be okay with one of the last scenes being the beach scene, but I’d also like for a finishing scene to be family oriented between Chuck, Sarah, and everyone. Granted a pregnancy seems rather far fetched now (probably a major red herring =[) but I still have hopes for that. They said they didn’t want to revisit that, but obviously with it ending, you can leave with that sort of scene on the way out!

  15. atcDave says:

    Not so long ago, much of our speculation was wrapped up around the idea of a major character death. Now with all the relationship drama we’ve sort of lost interest in that possibility. But I’ve been thinking about it again some, it seems to me we’ve heard a few comments from Adam Baldwin about Casey “going out with a bang.”. It’s hard to know exactly how to take that, but it does get me thinking again that Casey may not survive the finale. I admit my major interest has always been the Charah story, but there certainly is other drama on occasion!

    • ArmySFC says:

      Dave in the cast interview AB says casey didn’t get to go out in a blaze of glory, then made a comment about spoilers. i took from that interview he alive and well in the end.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        After that interview, I thought Casey’s death possibility when from preseason 30-40%, to 5-10% after Kept Man, to about 0.01% after the interview. Morgan’s when from preseason 30-40% to about 50% after Frosted Tips, to about 20% after the Curse, to less than 5% after Baby, to about 0.01% after the interview. Lester and/or Jeff might still be around 1-5% for me. Mary is the only one who I think is above 30% now.

    • lappers84 says:

      I wonder. In Bo when Sarah was mentioning to Casey how he always getting shot and Casey replying with the how often he got shot at. Foreshadowing???

  16. Aerox says:

    I wonder when that one happens.

    • Jason says:

      yikes – she might not have her memory if she is alone on the beach?????

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Nah, that’s Morgan. 😀

        I might actually love a beach ending more than a red door ending. Red door bookends S5. The beach bookends the entire series. Both would be great though.

    • joe says:

      ??? It says 5.13, Aerox. Or did you mean, when in the story line?

      • Aerox says:

        When in the actual episode 😛

      • lappers84 says:

        I reckon it’ll be early on – She’s probably not sure what to think after the end of 5×12 so she goes to the beach to clear her head (or what’s currently in there) and Chuck comes along and basically reiterates what Sarah says in the pilot (at least that’s how I see it) – kind of cool if that did happen like that.

      • thinkling says:

        That makes sense, especially if they are doing season tributes in order.

      • atcDave says:

        Perhaps he gives her a per-mission pep talk?!

        Great, now I’ve officially guessed it could be either early or late…

    • atcDave says:

      I could easily see this coming late in the episode; perhaps Sarah is coming to grips with the changes in her life (kind of a mirror image to the Pilot beach scene); no more CIA job with a husband she barely knows (likes, but doesn’t know). Maybe Chuck sits beside her with a variation of the “trust me” speech, and that triggers a major recall from their first night on the beach…

      It could be quite sweet. I kind of suspect that even though Sarah WILL fall in love with Chuck all over, she won’t have most of her memories until the very end. She may recall a few events earlier, especially during obvious call back moments; but I think the major part of her memories won’t come back until the very end. And I expect they will finally be triggered by an event, not any sort of techno-magic.

    • dkd says:

      I wish I hadn’t looked at that.

      • Aerox says:

        There’s still 42 minutes and 13 seconds in which this scene can take place y’know. And a beach scene was sort of a given, considering the whole “it’s a tribute to 5 seasons of Chuck”. Only reason I named it finalscene (was a screencap from the gag reel) is because I figured it would be. Then I realized that, if that’s true, it would suck. So now I’m sorta hoping it happens early on.

      • Katsumaro says:

        Yeah, it happens around 5:55 of the blooper reel and I doubt they’d show even a snippet of the last scene int he finale. So I wouldn’t worry, though I could be wrong!

    • esardi says:

      Aerox, doesn’t that look to you like he is waiting for her at the beach not going to her? You know guys this could also be at the end of the episode. I hope not but maybe she is leaving and he is trying to talk her out of it. I am hoping it happens at the beginning though.

      • atcDave says:

        If she considers leaving, he WILL talk her out of it. It will end well, no matter how many rough moments they have to steer past.

    • When looking at the board, the top boxes usually indicate Roll – Scene – Take in that order.
      So, Roll 3 – Scene 71 – Take 1.

      Everyone now – breathe.

  17. joe says:

    Chuck S5 Blooper reel is available now!

    Many thanks to Mel and our friends at ChuckTV.net.

    • lappers84 says:

      don’t want to see too much of the recap part of it – might spoil a bit too much of the finale.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      The first minute and a half remind me of what they did in the Farscape finale with two screencaps from each of 87 episodes in 30 seconds. (www.youtube.com/watch?v=frr-5V938bg4). I’ve been thinking something like that would be cool for Chuck.

      There’s a quick spoiler scene around 1:26.

      Starting around 4:41->4:54, there are about two minor spoiler bloopers from the finale, but they are related to previously released spoilers.

      After 6:30 it is more of a great collection of pics and goodbye vids.

    • ArmySFC says:

      If you haven’t seen it you may not. just read on twitter it got pulled.

  18. Paladinobr says:

    Maybe this time, Chuck is going to ask her to trust him, 🙂

  19. joe says:

    Okay. This is not a “spoiler”, but it certainly is speculation of the highest order.

    http://minx.cc/?post=326088

    !!

  20. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    Fedak answered a lot of very direct questions, many of which have been talked about here. No spoilers. Good stuff:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/26/chuck-finale_n_1235258.html

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      Fedak did dodge some of the questions with a joke. I think that says as much about how he thought those specific details were not important to the story he was trying to tell.

      • atcDave says:

        I thought there were a couple he might have been uncomfortable with. But overall very informative. Interesting to me someone asked about free will vs destiny; Fedak decisively chose free will. Perhaps it wasn’t just me who was really irked by Chuck’s behavior in “Curse”….

      • dkd says:

        That was my question. He really didn’t have a clear answer to it. And probably there isn’t one.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Destiny vs free will is a very common theme for TV shows. My guess is they debated it a lot in the writers room, just like they’ve said they debated the Spiderman vs Luke Skywalker origin story.

        The plot of Curse came down strongly on the free will side of things. Chuck assumed Destiny; Sarah told him he was wrong. Sarah won that argument.

        However, I suspect the finale will tilt more towards Chuck and Sarah were destined to be together. But that ‘destiny’ can only be if Chuck chooses to push for it and not give up and only if Sarah chooses to to accept it. In other words, it won’t provide a clear answer, just like Fedak didn’t in the interview.

      • dkd says:

        To be honest, he gave the answer I was expecting. The “Destiny vs. Free Will” question is one of those things where the discussion of it is more important than having a firm answer.

    • armysfc says:

      i don’t get the reason he used for sarah getting the intersect. “i’ll let the finale speak to your question. It’s all about the Chuck-Sarah relationship.” huh?

      • atcDave says:

        He didn’t give a reason army; he wasn’t going to get drawn into that question.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        He was staying spoiler free. He had said in other interviews that they pitched this season with a certain ending in mind. My guess is the last arc (Sarah getting the Intersect and losing her memories) was the setup to get to that ending. He wasn’t going to spoil the rest of the arc and the payoff.

      • armysfc says:

        maybe…i know the relationship is the heart of the show. why do all this to prove it again? does anyone here need anymore proof of it and how strong it is? can anyone here have doubts about it? i say no to both and i doubt i’m wrong. i won’t say what i think but remember i questioned his answer. i’ll see tomorrow if i got some of it right.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I think they want to end on that strong note, even if it is redundant.

        I read a lot of comments at the beginning of the season complaining about the Morgansect. Some were because they didn’t like Morgan or didn’t like someone else having the Intersect. But some were because they didn’t want the last season to focus on anything other than Chuck and Sarah. Having the last episodes focus on the Chuck and Sarah relationship addresses that last complaint. The final story might not start from a happy place, but that’s what always happens in dramatic story telling. The writers build up the stakes at the end.

      • armysfc says:

        Jeff….true. i also think a lot of what thinkling has said before has some bearing on this. i read a lot also and one complaint is they have become boring and lost chemistry. again it’s up to people to decide on their own, i won’t comment on that. my guess is TPTB just don’t feel secure or comfortable writing a couple together. schwatrz strength is relationship drama, it’s what he knows. doing it this way allows them to go back to what they do best and are comfortable doing, getting them together. no matter what happens i think that is the card they are playing, start the relationship over and move it ahead at warp speed over the last 2 hours. all will be fine and they will be good.

      • esardi says:

        Army and Jeff don’t you guys think they also did it this way to prove that no matter what Sarah would have fallen for Chuck. Just think about the times it was repeated over and over again that Sarah was way over Chuck’s league. It was almost drilled into Chuck that it was special circumstances and that fact that Sarah was a broken spy that led her to choose Chuck.

        It was first Bryce, than Cole and finally Shaw. Those were the gays that deserved Sarah, not someone like Chuck. Even Quinn mentions the fact that Chuck had the intersect as being the only reason he ended up with Sarah. Well now guess what, no memories, she in the one with the intersect and can do anything and have anyone and yet falls for Chuck again. Point made.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Esardi I think that’s deliberate. Although really, Chuck never should have doubted after Phase 3! But I think it was clearly telegraphed in Bo, when Quinn took that shot at Chuck about the Intersect, that Sarah would fall for Chuck in any circumstance.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Agreed esardi. I was just talking about why they picked that theme, not how they implemented it. I’d go a little further. I think it’s not just about how Chuck seemed to be out of Sarah’s league, even though he never was in Sarah’s eyes. It’s about how that pushed him to be a better person. It’s not just about how Sarah, a broken spy, chose Chuck. It’s about how Chuck helped Sarah get to a place where she could choose Chuck.

      • esardi says:

        Great observation Jeff. The Sarah that came to Burbank would not have given Chuck a second look. However, even though she liked him on their first date, I think what really appealed to her was the family and friends. That drove home to her what she was missing.

        You are right; she was the reason that it finally dawned on Chuck that he needed to be more than an 11 dollar an hour nerd herder at the Buymore. She completely lifted him out of his rut.

      • armysfc says:

        esardi…yes. here’s where as a fan you need to decide if the story works for you. you need to be open to the fact they may not end up together in the end the same for them being together. ernie says it best in his last post (my take of it). don’t construct the events you want to see, see what they show you and have shown you and let that tell the story.

        if your in the camp that says that her memory loss is not permanent and certain items like the house, the picture, and of course other things will result in her getting her memories back if even slowly, you need to include the first time quinn shows her the picture of chuck. or she sees ellie, devon, morgan, castle…the list is huge right? i don’t think you can ignore anything as a stimulus towards getting them back, chuck included, yet some people will because they want to see one thing be the catalyst for her memories returning. with her memories still there but buried deep you need to acknowledge that her love for chuck is still there. so on a subconscious level she would feel a pull towards chuck that would not be there if it were a true first meeting. same thing goes for everything she sees. in accepting all of this you have taken the randomness out of the equation. it becomes more like she still loves chuck just doesn’t remember it yet type of deal.

        if your in the other camp that thinks they are indeed gone for good, unless those men or the equivalent enter her life there really isn’t anything for her to compare chuck to because she didn’t meet them.

        i guess my final answer would be yes it’s their intention in some way, but the viewer has to decide if it works. for me personally i look at it just like i described, keeping all the options open. in either case that storyline doesn’t work for me. don’t misunderstand i am only referring to the question you asked and the info you gave. i still think in either case she would, in fact we saw the second part take place over 4 years, why do it again?

      • esardi says:

        Army while you could be right, I do not think the show runners could get away with it if Chuck and Sarah are not together at the end. A satisfying or good ending would not be possible if they are apart. The fact that Morgan lost some memories does not preclude them from returning all of Sarah’s memories.

        Remember this is Chuck. In this show you can get shot four times in the chest and come back several months later with no side affects. In this show people like Morgan and Sarah can get affected by the intersect quickly, yet Shaw can have it for 2 years and no be some pile of goo. In this show someone could be thrown of a speeding train and not only survive but beat the people who threw him out. Therefore, if TPTB decide that Sarah will get most if not all of her memories back than whether the story works or not it will happen.

      • armysfc says:

        esardi…i agree on all your points. that was not the question, unless i misunderstood it. you asked if they did it to prove sarah would fall for chuck again. i just tried to explain the 2 side as i see it. one where her memories are there and would affect the outcome, and the other not having time to have her meet the guys chuck competed against.

        i would have to be an idiot if i thought they wouldn’t. which i do think will happen.

      • esardi says:

        Army you were right and you answered my question. Yeah, under normal circumstances all possibilities should be explored. Fans are in different camps. I am in the camp that Sarah should have enough of her memories back at the end. However, even if that is not the case, that she would still fall for Chuck again. Yes, Chuck is going to have to work for it, but in the end they would be together.

        If that does not happen, I would be very disappointed. I would admit I would feel betrayed on some level. However, I do not think they would ever go that route. There was this fan-fiction I believe it was called Witness Protection that explored this exact same thing.

        In that story she did not get her back memory quickly and left. However, just like on the show tonight, Chuck fought like hell and finally won out. We will find out soon.

      • Jason says:

        It is kind of funny, this whole amnesia (dismantle Sarah for drama) story I don’t like at all, but ….. I also could care less the details of how it is resolved, I have read from multiple places this ends well, if I like the ending, the details are irrelevant to me.

      • armysfc says:

        esardi…i made a comment a few days ago that with this story line they had painted themselves into a corner. for the vast majority of fans they will feel cheated if at the end if several conditions aren’t met. the bare minimum is chuck and sarah together to all encompassing they are together, she has her memories, they have the house and she’s either expecting or they have the kid.

        i may have not have liked some of the directions they went in over the years, but i don’t think they are that stupid. TPTB don’t want to be roasted by fans for a lousy ending. over the course of time i have been here, many shows have been discussed. plots, relationships and characters but the one thing that stands out is how often the ending comes up. while the ending itself doesn’t define the show it is what is remembered the most by fans. i think they know that as well. for them to leave the fans disgruntled in the end would be foolish to me. they will most likely hit a spot somewhere in between the two i mentioned above, exceeding some fans needs and falling short of others. the mass majority will be happy. they simply didn’t have a choice. that’s why i said they painted themselves into a corner.

      • atcDave says:

        In a way, any type of entertainment has this “problem”. No matter how much some might want to “let the writers tell their story”, in the end they are writing for an audience. Expectations will be different from audience to audience; but that audience is defined by decisions made from the very beginning. As soon as a genre is chosen certain things are determined about who the show (or movie or book…) is for. By the time you get to issues like mood and characters a writer should know if they’re writing for teenage girls who love tragedy, young males who mainly want to see things explode, or senior citizens that like sweet stories involving animals.
        All of those issues impact how the story is told and what sort of ending will be considered “good.” I think Schwedak are pretty good at this point about knowing what this audience wants. Now to some extant they are writing for themselves (and ratings aren’t a huge concern this season); but everyone involved keeps insisting we’ll be pleased, so my guess is they choose to do an ending we will like!

      • armysfc says:

        Dave, i agree with that. movies are a great example of that. people hate to see the hero of the story get waxed even if it fits the story. many movies end with the hero surviving in a crazy way. independence day is a good example of this. they could have died in space after uploading the virus (still think that part was crap) and the people still would have won. yet they returned. their living had no bearing on the final battle. it just set up the cute scene at the end.

      • thinkling says:

        Jeff, these are fascinating ideas about Chuck and Sarah falling for each other. I think it’s fair to say that Sarah did fall for bumbling nerdy Chuck, because she said she did (OG). Now, for this finale, we don’t really know what Sarah we’re going to get, but presumably the real Sarah, whom Chuck connected with in the pilot and throughout the 1st two seasons, is still in there somewhere. Chuck is no longer the clumsy nerd with girlish screams. He is a smooth agent in his own right. However, inside he is still the same Chuck that she fell for — the true hero, the good guy who wants to help people — her Chuck. I think we’ll see that the same two people (no matter how they had been weighed down with past baggage and no matter how they are different now) are still in there and will still connect and fall in love.

        It’s kind of a complicated (or could be) story to tell. It’s a story I would relish mid-season or with an episode or two to follow. I’m just not wild about it as the last two Chuck episodes ever.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Thinkling, you’re right it is a complicated story to tell. I agree it might have been told better if it was mid-season over more episodes. However, while I think the story might have been better, I think the fandom would have freaked out more if the story dragged out. Most people did not like the prolonged separation in S3.0 after Colonel, for many reasons, one of which was the length. Any kind of extended separation after the wedding might have incited a worse reaction.

      • thinkling says:

        Jeff, I wouldn’t want it to drag out any longer, if it were a mid season arc. I would still want it resolved in the 3rd episode (if you count Bullet Train and Sarah as the first 2). But you could dedicate that 3rd episode to resolving the memory issue and then take another episode or arc or back season to chase down the big bad. My point is not wanting to end on a recovering Chuck and Sarah Bartowski but to end on them being the power couple.

        Doing it this way you have to say goodbye 2 episodes too soon, only to recover with a tiny window, not for a fantastic Chuck and Sarah Bartowski awesome spy stuff, but to say goodbye again.

        But then again, I think Honeymooners would have made a better end than OG. 😉

      • atcDave says:

        I think I’d feel better about it if we had even one more full episode after to actually see things back to how they were, and construct a proper epilogue.
        Now this kind of isn’t fair to say as we haven’t even seen the finale yet; but I do have the fear it will feel too rushed, end too soon, and not really give us the sort of send off I would have hoped for. But that is only an expectation. It will be interesting to see how I feel at ten tonight (although I’ll probably always wish we had just a little bit more…)

      • esardi says:

        I agree with all of you, and I totally agree worth you Army, they did box themselves in corner. They will be trying to tell us a story where Sarah loses her memory, goes after Chuck realizes something is off and at least works with them. That is how I am hoping 5.12 ends.

        Now you have Chuck trying everything he can to get Sarah’s her memories back while still going after the big bad. It is just too much to compress all the things happening and make a great love story click at the same time. I sincerely believe that is why the word satisfying has been bandied about so much. At this point I am confident we will have a satisfying conclusion. However, if this arc had started just one episode before, I feel we could have had a great conclusion.

        Who knows it might have been done on purpose to be able to push for a movie. It will be very interesting indeed how our specs will turn out.

      • dkd says:

        With the finale just seven hours away, I can say my “wish list” for the finale is very short. It doesn’t contain the words “house with picket fence” or “baby” or “pregnant”.

        It has two words: “good story”

        I’ve consumed every spoiler out there. I’ve read every interview and comment by people who know what’s in the finale. I’m pretty damn confident that it will be a good story.

    • Faith says:

      Saying this not just because she picked my question heh…but let’s all take a moment to thank all the journalists that have helped Chuck survive and kept us informed for the last 5 years. There’s always this fine line of being a fan and being a critic and IMO Mo Ryan more than most has been able to do that admirably. In some ways without her and Sepinwall we wouldn’t be able to have 5 years of Chuck. They informed the rest of the world to Chuck’s plight, maybe even some of us–and in doing so it kept Chuck alive just as much as we did.

  21. lappers84 says:

    I just had a funny thought – What if it wasn’t Ellie’s science or the drawing that get’s most of Sarahs memories back (although I’m sure the drawing will come into play somewhere) – What if it was simply jogged with a Kiss – I know it sounds kind of daft, but there’s feeling and familiarity in a kiss (especially with your husband) – lot’s of emotion, that can trigger something in the memory. Could be interesting.

    • thinkling says:

      Yeah, Lappers, I posted the same idea a while back. I think it’s a great alternate gateway to unlock those memories. It may end up being some of all of the above. But I somehow expect to see triggers along the way … some things coming back gradually.

  22. I don’t know if yall had this link posted somewhere else – its Google vs. Josh and Chris

    Its perhaps the best interview with those guys I’ve heard…. very clear, concise and direct in their answers. Interesting that its Schwartz that completely leads with the answers – particularily regarding the general direction and things they wanted to accomplish within the show.

  23. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    No Sepinwall yet.
    TV Guide part 5 – No spoilers, just fun cast stuff: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Chuck-Finale-Countdown-End-1042245.aspx
    Then there’s this, which I’m still reading:
    http://chucktv.net/2012/01/27/chuck-final-countdown-chris-fedak-teases-the-end/

  24. A question for someone with more time – and way more smarts that this Canucknuckle-head:
    I was thinking about the main themes that seem to have been built as revolving doors within the show? Those issues or discussions/decisions or questions which seem to keep coming back again and again:?: At one point it seems like they are resolved – but they keep coming back…..
    Chuck’s confidence for example – ever the “plot football”~ that gets kicked around…
    Chuck seems to move seamlessly between ‘the man with the plan’ – and a guy full of self doubt, complete with hand wringing …. 3 steps forward – 2 steps back…
    Just wondering about any of those other themes…..
    [?] Casey: torn between duty and obligation vs following his heart
    [?] Sarah: trying to become a real girl…. tearing down the walls and allowing others in…
    I know there must be more:

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      For Casey, I always thought it wasn’t an either/or. It was how could he have more than just doing his duty.
      Morgan’s theme: growing up
      For everyone: truth and trust were recurring themes.

      • When we look at Casey so far – I think its been an either/ or… up until now.
        I think we saw that a couple weeks ago – when Alex was captured… That was a little too close for Casey…
        Even his relationship with Verbanski – he has a hard time moving past Duty and Responsibilities to make a decision based on his heart…. [ I think]
        Definitely Morgan needs to embrace being an Adult – put on the Big Boy pants – and start to look after himself.
        We’ve never really had a chance to see Morgan Grimes ” Unplugged”…
        – Just Morgan – having to be a bit more self sufficient.
        Not sure about Devon and Ellie… I think they’ve always been the standard of
        ‘ Normal’ or ‘ Successful’ – that everyone else measures themselves against: Married – Jobs – Trust – Communication…. they are a version of the Perfect Couple.

        As I’m typing this – I’m thinking back to an explaination of all the cast-aways from
        Gilligan’s Island: Each of the cast members was based on one of the Seven Deadly sins. Wrath – Greed – Lazy – Gluttony – Pride – Lust – Envy…. can’t quite remember which cast member was which now….. but I think we could probably draw a similar correlation to the regulars on “Chuck’s Island”…. they are all trying to get somewhere…
        but they need to overcome their own character flaws in order for that to happen.

  25. Jason says:

    Honestly, this appears to be written by someone who say the finale and is sharing at least 3 or 4 things I have not read b4 about the final, of course some of it could be twisted or turned into something else, but I’ll leave that to anyone who cares to read it. Warning, if true, it is very spoilery compared to most stuff I’ve read:

    http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/entertainment/love_that_tv/?p=942

    • ArmySFC says:

      Thanks very entertaining. parts actually fit. very well actually. we shall see

    • lappers84 says:

      I’m never too sure about some spoilery posts – I remember last season when I accidently linked something that turned out to be basically the ending to season 4. So I’m a little unsure about looking.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        It’s not really “spoilers”. It’s a full plot summary. If you are not sure, don’t look.

      • ArmySFC says:

        stay away if it worries you. i read it and it sounds like it could be real. if it is you won’t like it at all.

      • lappers84 says:

        I think i’ll hold off until the morning when I download it – and be surprised (or for you guys maybe not)

      • ArmySFC says:

        Lappers that would be a good idea. me i’m just a nut so i looked. then again i read the end of a book first. why read a book if i’m not gonna like the ending?

    • Aerox says:

      Well, that’s just a big massive “Fuck you” to people who’ve watched the show. Of course, the execution could prove to be fantastic, but the way I’m reading it now is basically: “Oh well, that’s just tough Chuck. Have fun re-winning your wife. Herp derp”

    • esardi says:

      Ok Jason, I hope you realize that you have caused a disturbance in the force! (LOL) I keep harkening back to Yvonne when she said she found it surprising that they would go that way. Someone in the same article called it shocking. However, you know I have never trusted Fedak since season 3. Was she trying to tell us that we would not like the ending?

      If and I do mean if this turns out to be true than I would have felt somewhat betrayed. What was the journey the last 5 years about? It would be like almost saying what we did, just did not matter at the end. God I really hope that article is wrong. Otherwise my TV may suffer my wrath.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Not necessarily. It could mean that the journey of the last 5 years was only the beginning, and the journey will continue. It depends on how it is presented.

        Although I would recommend pulling your remote across the room before the end of the episode (unless you are angling for a new TV before the Superbowl).

      • atcDave says:

        I’ve suspected for a couple of weeks that Yvonne was less than thrilled with the ending. We will soon see if we feel that way or not!

      • esardi says:

        Jeff, let me try to explain why an ambiguous ending really falls flat for me. Couples like Chuck and Sarah who have been through the wars together, made mistakes together, have forgiven each other for their sins are a much stronger couple. If Sarah does not get her memories back, she does not have the support needed to continue on with this journey. Just because you fall for someone does not mean that you have to stay with that person.

        I feel that this Sarah, thinking she is not marry to Chuck could easily not have the same mind set of forever like Chuck has. All those special memories and moment are gone. That really is just horrible the more I think about it. As Aerox would say this really sucks. If this is Fedak version of a love letter to the fans, please keep my in your pocket. Now I am not hopeful at all. I am hoping that person is wrong and I will be pleasantly surprised. I am not counting on it.

      • Aerox says:

        If they wanted to do that, why not just stick Sarah on the beach, looking depressed because her husband had to upload the Intersect… again! And then they sit there and he tells her that, yeah, their dreams may not come true, but they will eventually. Then he shoulder bumps her and tells her to trust him. Voila. Same result, except they didn’t have to go through this godawful “oh let’s have her forget her memories” arc.

    • Faith says:

      I am so unbelievably mad at the Boston Herald. This is why I hate all things Boston…mostly because I’m a laker fan!

    • Ernie Davis says:

      Just read the spoiler. I pretty much guarantee people are taking it out of context. He talks about the two episodes separately and teases a tough decision that leads people to a conclusion that I don’t see playing out.

      • thinkling says:

        That tough decision spoiler did make me wonder if the article’s not twisted a bit and intentionally misleading, maybe even intentionally inflammatory.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Possibly, Thinkling. His all-time favorite list includes 2 shows out of 10 I really like and 2 more that are just ok. He current list includes 1 out of 6 I like. He said he didn’t like this season, which means he only watched the finale because it’s his job. I’m not too worried about it.

      • ArmySFC says:

        chuck decision is to let sarah use the glasses to get he memories back or use it to save the people. we see him putting the glasses on. my guess.

  26. Hey everyone – calm down and as Mel has already noted in her forum – “Remember: Context is everything.”

    • Aerox says:

      Like I said, considering the response from people so far, I’m cautiously optimistic, but if those spoilers serve to be true, than everything I didn’t want to happen happens, and that REALLY sucks.

    • ArmySFC says:

      i read it and i don’t care how the show ends. if the article is what happens, context has no meaning. there is an old saying, it goes like this.

      if, if and buts where candies and nuts, we could all have one hell of a party.

      that’s what fans will be left with, not what they had.

      • lappers84 says:

        I’m actually dreading it now – I’m going to have enough trouble sleeping as it is, but if we find they have to start all over again – I think I fly to the US and murder Shwedak.

      • lappers84 says:

        I think if the ending doesn’t turn out great – I’ll just pretend those episodes didn’t exist and just imagine Baby was the last episode.

      • atcDave says:

        Baby was an excellent end point; and since I’ve long figured 3.01-3.13 never really happened anyway, what’s a few more omissions?

    • atcDave says:

      I don’t like the sound of that either; but as we’ve mentioned a few times here in the last couple weeks; let’s try to judge it on what it is, not what we want. You all know I’ll go ballistic if its a real cheat, I’ve never been shy about this teams fubars in the past. But it still could be a very satisfying end. Just try not to set up a requirement for what it must be; I’m going to guess they leave us on a hopeful note for their future.

      • thinkling says:

        Yikes that does sound awful. But it also doesn’t seem to match with other stuff we’ve heard. That scenario doesn’t sound like 15 out of 10. It’s a catch 22. I’m sorry I read it, but if it’s that bad, I’m glad to have been warned.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I’m glad to have been warned too; my expectations just went down 90%.

      • Jason says:

        Think / Dave – everyone else – I might be as big a shipper as anyone, plus, and on top of it, my tolerance for drama on Chuck is low. But, if your carefully read between the lines (this is not in the article, is my guessing), I am pretty sure the big moment in the finale at about the 40 minute mark, will be the moment when alt-Sarah falls hard in love with Chuck BECAUSE he is willing to give his wife up forever, same as he was willing to give up a shot at the hot blond to help the ballerina, except on a grander scale, like times infinity grander. The problem is, that moment is going to be remarkably sad, dare I say epically so. The success of the final, may all boil down to this, what are the odds that a ‘sliver’ of hope turns into fruition? I am guessing very, very, high!

      • atcDave says:

        Jason I do agree with that. I’m trying to frame my words here carefully, especially since we haven’t SEEN the episode yet. But I can imagine an ending where we know they are together and in love, but we aren’t clear what Sarah may have lost. I might call that satisfying, but well less than wonderful. And satisfying is one of the words we’ve heard most.
        I do suspect Fedak thinks stunt work and blowing things up is actually more important than the love lives of his characters. Or at least he thinks that grand heroics and a melancholy romance is a good ending. To me its exactly the opposite; I could live with Quinn escaping easier than I can with Charah ending in a bad way.
        But for now this is just hot air. We don’t know what the ending is yet. In five hours we may all be very happy.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        While I love spoilers, there is an art to them. I don’t like it when someone details the entire plot just to be first and try to grab readers. Keep in mind this review/plot summary was written by someone who says “I have not been a fan of this season.” I’m not going to get worked up about what someone says who has different tastes than me.

        If the ending is ambiguous, I might still be happy with it. At Peter and Mel have said, it depends on the context. However,an ambiguous or open ending might determine how might time I spend on the Internet after the finale. I’ve had my fill of reading FU messages to TPTB.

      • Aerox says:

        Excuse the profanity (and there will probably be a lot), but I don’t give a flying fuck about him rewinning her. The fact of the matter is, he shouldn’t have to. It took him two and a half years to do it the first time. That’s long enough. I know that Fedak and Schwartz wanted it to take longer, but whatever, the pacing totally worked, especially for this show. But that doesn’t take away the fact that this entire arc is so fucking forced that it literally annoys me. I have NO clue how anyone could EVER think this to be a good closing to a great show.

        So no, I won’t be pleased if they show the rekindling. Fuck that. I’ve watched this show for two years and I’m already fucking annoyed. I can’t begin to imagine how people who followed this amazing journey for 5 years must feel. I get that them riding off in the sunset is incredibly cheesy and they didn’t have to do that. Them ending with deciding to stay spies and put their dreams on hold? Fine, go for it. But was it SERIOUSLY necessary to destroy 5 years of character development? Because that’s basically what this is. You can argue that she will fall for him again, but all the nuances that she picked up over the years are gone. So if they choose to go this route, I’m sorry but then 91 episodes have been for naught. They could’ve had Chuck re-intersecting himself to save the world if Sarah was still his wife. Forcde them back in the game. Sure, cool. Good ending would’ve been Sarah at the beach, looking forlornly and Chuck coming up to her, explaining that okay, they might not have gotten their dream, but they will. Trust him. And bam, ending! That would’ve been fine. INSTEAD we get this.

        So no, I don’t care how they exectue it. If this is the bottom line, they fucked up, simple as that.

    • thinkling says:

      Ryan McPartlin interview … nuff said.

      • atcDave says:

        Of course he may not have actually known the end when he said that (making it a speculation not a spoiler).

        But I’m guessing its somewhat ambiguous. I can imagine the last scene; Sarah remembers nothing except she knows she loves Chuck; Chuck says “trust me”; they kiss; Sarah has a flash of some of the same scenes we saw Quinn removing; roll credits.

        That is still arguably “ambiguous”, but we know it will be alright.

      • lappers84 says:

        The only thing Id like to see is Sarah at least getting her memories of Chuck back (everything they’ve worked through over the 5 years – that’s what makes them, them.) – Otherwise it may feel like a huge buzzkill – but I ll save my true evaluation until after I’ve seen the episodes.

      • thinkling says:

        Still …. aarrrggghhhh

      • atcDave says:

        Lappers I think the buzz kill is a given. I can’t reconcile that last spoiler with a great ending. But if it ends hopeful enough I’ll take it.

        Very unlikely I’d ever watch another Schwedak product however.

      • ArmySFC says:

        Dave…that’s just the thing they never said it was great ending. it has always been a satisfying ending from the start. sounds like that’s what it my be after all.

      • aces says:

        I can’t believe my favorite tv-show got such a crappy ending. I just can’t understand fans who think that any ending that includes destroying 5 years worth of character growth from Sarah is somehow acceptable.

        I’m feeling pretty sick right now, wish I had never started to follow this show.

      • atcDave says:

        Army you’re exactly right. “Satisfying” is a fairly tepid response for what I’ve come to expect from this show. I’m thinking “great” is a long shot at this point.

    • jam says:

      I like Mel but she’s a big cheerleader of the show and hasn’t exactly been to critical of episodes that I’ve found lacking. So no, her saying the ending is satisfying doesn’t really offer any comfort.

      • thinkling says:

        That’s the thing, jam, she didn’t say it was satisfying. She gave it 15 stars out of 10. At this point the signals are very mixed.

      • Aerox says:

        But the things that Mel wants to see and the things that Jam want to see could be very contradicting 😛

      • ArmySFC says:

        thinkling the author liked it as well or at least this says he does to me, “I can tell you the writers, producers and incredible cast have been saving truly the best for last.”

        it’s the events he laid out that are causing the concern.

      • Faith says:

        Ok if you don’t like Mel, here’s Vlada Gelman of TVLine. Don’t think she has to say she liked it or anything seeing as she works for TVLine.

      • atcDave says:

        She even singled out the last scene, awesome!

  27. FlamesofDestiny says:

    I don’t understand. If this show ends on the beach, with A Comet Appears as the music bed, and Chuck telling Sarah “trust me” and giving her a shoulder bump, I’d be delighted. it’s lyrical and beautiful and pays homage to the scene that set the Chuck pilot apart from the standard TV fodder.

    Really, I’d love that ending…

    • atcDave says:

      I’m pointedly prosaic not poetic or “lyrical”. I require something more concrete to call it beautiful. If the ending comes off as suggested above I may struggle to give it a C-.

      • thinkling says:

        Yup. I absolutely can’t reconcile that suggested ending with any of the positive things we’ve heard so far. Schwedak would most likely be blackballed in my future viewing considerations.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Thinkling, Writers learn and evolve over time. In the Google interview, Fedak even talked about how he was one type of writer at the beginning, but he learned to do other things over the course of the show.

        Very few TV writers/showrunners have kept might interest over multiple series. I really liked Sorkin’s SportsNight and West Wing, but I didn’t like Studio 60 because of the material. Bellisario has been consistently good, but not consistently great and is sometimes averages. J.J. Abrams did Alias, but also Undercovers.

        Schwartz does too many CW-style teen angst stories for my taste. I might give Fedak another try, but it depends on the type of show more than his level of involvement.

  28. atcDave says:

    Hey everyone I know we just got a major stinker of a spoiler, and I’m not happy about it either. But let’s try to give the show a chance and see how it really goes. At 10 tonight we may have some very strong opinions, but for now this is still largely speculation. The particular source may have an ax to grind or be particularly dense. Let’s wait until we see the episode to decide if we have grounds to be very angry or not.

  29. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    Ok. Don’t freak out. Therapy time.

    Breathe in.

    Breathe out.

    Breathe in.

    Breathe out.

    If you have one of Awesome’s meditation gongs, you might want to use it now.

    In about 3 hours, we are getting a very rare thing. A planned finale for a great TV show we all care about. We’ve read most (or all) of the spoilers and speculation. Some of it doesn’t sound good. However a lot of it does. In fact, no one who has seen the finale has come out and said that they do not like it. The worst word is ‘satisfying’ from someone who was balling for a month about the show coming to an end. I’ve had high expectations for every Chuck episode this season. I liked Santa Suit, but it is probably the only episode this season that did not meet my expectations. Most came right at my expectations. Only a couple exceeded. ‘Satisfying’ sounds good to me.

    My plan is to rewatch the dancing and hotel room sneak peeks a couple of times to get myself in a positive frame of mind. Then I’m going to listen my favorites from my large Chuck playlist. In a couple of hours I’m going to make a quick run to Subway. Then I’m going to sit down with an open mind and enjoy my last ever live Chuck viewing experience. Immediately after that, I’m fairly certain I’ll be watching it again.

    • thinkling says:

      My name is Thinkling. Breathe in — breathe out. Breathe in — breathe out.

      Yeah, that’s not working.

      Just kidding. Thanks Jeff, I needed that.

  30. ChipLecsap says:

    Ohh man, and this is exactly the reason why I hated this whole Amnesia story. I so MAD right now, and yeah Mel is just a pet of nbc.

  31. Faith says:

    I KNEW IT. I KNEW that piece at Boston Herald was going to unearth chaos. WTF.

    Okay everyone, you know I’ve always preached patience but none more than in this moment. Let the show show you the journey, don’t jump to conclusions from scarce but accurate details from a hater….that’s right I’m calling it/he/she a hater. There’s a fine line between reporting and hating and all the “I liked it despite myself” proves it.

    2 hours of Chuck, that is all we will have and IT WILL be worth it. Don’t listen to one man’s recap, listen to all the people that have loved it. And loved the ending.

    • Thank you Faith. We have one more night & I won’t let anything ruin it.
      You brought a Joanie Mitchell song to mind just now: Don’t it always seem to go
      That you don’t know what you’ve got
      ‘Til it’s gone
      And it will be…..

  32. cardenweasel says:

    I have my two 5-dollar Subway footlongs ready to go. One a ham on wheat, no cheese with lettuce tomatoes, red onion, pickles and light mayo. The other a spicy italian on honey oat with provolone, lettuce, tomatoes, red onion, banana peppers, vinegar and oil. The spicy italian is for my wife. I’m not a complete pig. I also have a fine 2012 grape soda chilling in the refrigerator. I’m ready to watch the last two episodes of Chuck. Now where is the instant reaction thread?

  33. Faith says:

    Q: But does it end in a happy way that the fans can hopefully not have to go to therapy?

    Adam: Come on, it’s a comedy.

  34. joe says:

    I can’t believe I’m adding a spoiler at this late date, but where better to put this?

    I’m deciding that Chuck is less fictional than I thought – by far. Remember those self-guiding bullets favored by European supermodels in Milan? Well, they exist now

    ;D

  35. lappers84 says:

    Didn’t know where to put this but have you heard this podcast of Tim Jones – it’s pretty interesting
    http://chucktv.net/2012/02/10/chuck-vs-the-podcast-104-the-man-behind-the-music/

    • lappers84 says:

      there’s really cool bit where he explains how he was proud of the final Charah theme on the Beach (apparently Chris Fedak wanted to change it slightly but Jones asked if it could be left as it was.) – He also explained how he wanted to close the theme off. This is about 25 minutes in.

  36. bee_rob says:

    hated the ending!!

    • atcDave says:

      A lot of us had problems with the ending bee_rob. But this is an unfortunate thread for you to come to about it. We had much more complete discussions about the ending on other threads, and a couple excellent posts like Thinkling’s “A Grief Observed…
      But you do need to remember, even if the ending didn’t work for you, there really is enough information to know Chuck and Sarah were all right. And interviews with writers and cast all verify the same thing.

      I know that may not help you like it any better. But don’t let it damage your memory of the show. Sarah is fine, Chuck and Sarah are fine.

    • joe says:

      Hi, Bee_Rob.

      Dave is right – we’ve had a lot of discussion about that ending. Mostly, it’s been a lot of getting it off our collective chests, you know?

      And he’s right that many of us reached that decision, not so much with our heads but in our guts – that Chuck and Sarah are fine. Now we’re just waiting for the movie to come out and give us some details…

      The real wonder of the show is that we still talk about C&S like they’re real, and we still care about stuff like that. It’s the magic of the theater, as they say.

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