Chuck vs. Sarah and Goodbye – First Reactions

Don’t Freak Out

I’ve deliberately kept myself from the spoiler I see everyone is talking about, and I think I’m glad. 😉

Morgan: I’m over-thinking this, aren’t I?
Chuck: Yeah. Yeah, you are. Go with your heart, buddy. Our brains only screw things up.

If I can recommend any one thing, it’s time to relax, remove all expectations/preconceptions and just enjoy the evening. There’s no other way to approach something that’s meant this much to us for so long.

Did It Haz Style?

Skip Johnson aka Michael Kawczynski haz style

Then, after you’ve seen it, I’d really like to know what you thought. I mean, I know what the critics have been saying, and I know what the fans have been speculating, but now that you’ve seen it, what did you think?

Fernando aka Jesse Heiman haz style

Oh – and then I have a favor to ask. Come back again tomorrow or the next day, and tell me again what you think about it after having slept on it.

As for us, we’re not going away yet, and I’m sure that there’ll be plenty we want to add to the discussion.

After all, Our Style Is Da Bomb!

digi bom di deng di deng digigi!


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358 Responses to Chuck vs. Sarah and Goodbye – First Reactions


    I thought the final reaction – deserved a final reaction from the guy who started this train rolling

  2. Faith says:

    To Joe, and everyone: “turn on your heart light buddy, let it glow”

    • joe says:

      Now I need a little Johnny Walker and a Hot Pocket to go with the Neil! 😉

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I don’t have Johnny Walker. I had my Subway instead of Hot Pockets, but in honor of the Hostess bankruptcy, I bought Twinkies. I only have 10 bags, and they are single-wrapped, so I think I’m safe.

      • Faith says:

        As we are gambling on a fruitful goodbye 😉 gaming and whiskey sounds about right.

  3. atcDave says:

    15 minutes to go, and I’m stressed beyond the capacity for rational thought. Still looking forward to the episode and dreading the end.

  4. Gord says:

    Ok here’s my wild speculation for tonight’s episode. It is going to end with us finding out its all been a dream. That is this isn’t the finale we actually have another 11 episodes this season and season 6 has already been picked up.

  5. ladycat713 says:

    I thought her escape seemed a little too simple. And Sarah’s past behavior in trusting the wrong person seems to have resurfaced at least partially. At least this time she put up a fight.

  6. Incredibly dramatic start…. don’t think I can remember an episode that was this dramatic already…
    Wow – tension….. to spare! and I think I like the little time shift…

    • Next commercial break – and the tension is only getting worse – Wow! They are pulling out all the stops on the performance tonight! I wonder if any of Chuck’s conversation with Ellie will affect Sarah [ she of the cold feet] – must means she has a warm heart ~ just say’n

    • Sarah leading the charge as they enter the Intersect room – shades of Bryce Larkin.

    • Next commercial break – and if its possible – the drama has only been heightened!
      I’m not sure I’ve ever given Zac enough credit for his acting…. maybe its just because tonight – the boys ON FIRE… well, not literally [ yet] 🙂 but MAN, what an outstanding performance – I can see why Yvonne was surprised by the plot direction of the story.
      I would not have expected this amount of tension – I don’t think the Stakes have ever been this high.

    • Next Commercial [ I’d try to number these – but I think I’d loose count]
      If they were ever going to make a Chuck movie – I’m convinced it would be incredible… if was even half as good as this episode…
      Speaking of movies – I had the unfortunate opportunity to watch a couple of real stinko movies lately – Mystery Men – and one from the Police Academy ….. gag – they were both terrible….. A Chuck Movie would easily be sooo much better!
      Wow – I love Ellie. Its too bad that she was always at arms length from the spy game.

    • Wow – Chuck in denial could be much more powerful/ unstopable than even the Giant Blonde She-Male. He’s trying to talk her back….. wow –
      [ I can imagine the tears in sooo many livingrooms right now.]
      Speaking of livingrooms – wow – the Initials in the doorway have worked their magic…. well – nearly. I think I really need a moment of funny here soon….. not sure about the rest of yall – but my stomach is in a knot [ no – not from cheese balls and grape soda either]

    • These Mission Logs are probably the most touching way to review, and flashback through the years….. cue the sound track….. grab a kleenex!
      …. and now we know why its Chuck vs. Sarah – and Chuck vs. the Goodbye….
      is it getting dusty in here?
      Lauren leFranc and Jafe Judkins – I stand an applaud you – Incredible!!!

      And absolutely – the commercial breaks are few and far between [ and much shorter]

    • Morgan just jumped in with the best funny moment…. whew – its time for some fun here soon!
      Anyone else notice an immediate change in tone?
      Wow – I LOVE it when we get to see 2 episodes back to back.
      Trying to wait a whole week after Chuck vs, Sarah would have killed me…
      or at least given me ulcers.

    • Boy – can you spot a FEDAK episode a mile away or what?
      and nobody ever wrote Sarah Walker better than our dynamic duo of Judkins and Lefranc…… wow – the old John Casey is back – hello ruthless, its been awhile.
      Here’s to a ton of Disney Princess movies….
      … unleash the perverts…… Good to see Fernando and Skip back in action!
      Hello Vicky Vale……….. c’mon – for old time sake – PLEASE!!!!

      • esardi says:

        Gringo you are cracking me up. Oh and Jeff you owe me 1000 costa gravan pesos buddy. I was right about that desert eagle. My ears are still ringing. (LOL)

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I blame the Google image search results. The postage to mail it to you would cost more then the 15 cents. Do you accept PayPal?

    • Stone Cold Chuck Bartowski….. just coincidence – I think not!
      Fedak is pulling out all the stops on these call backs…… we need to figure out how to send that man a case of his favorite adult beverages.

    • Call Backs – complete with Mariachi band at the Mexican restaurante
      ….. did I happen to mention I’m not the big gringo for nothing….
      Next stop – Tango for Two…. whooo hoo…..
      – hmmm – I thought that Chuck only knew the womans part of that dance??? ha!
      Fedak is the master of the location change!
      [ I only hope this hopping around doesn’t get silly]
      – well – since when was the Wienerlicious ever silly….
      I always loved her fighting skills in that polkadot skirt
      Next stop – Helicopter…. I hope yall have your scorecards at home…. its fun to check all these off!… Casey in the helicopter….

    • Next callback – Chuck and Sarah having a conversation between a closed door/ wall….
      its the I Love you speech when Chuck was locked in the vault all over again.
      Morgan just crossed the Jackass line……. wow – I wonder if Casey can handle the Truth!
      Did someone say Concert Hall?….. cue the perverts…. oh sorry

      • esardi says:

        Yeah but you notice that nothing is working. She was escaping without him, There is a song called you are as cold as ice. I think that applies to Sarah. Like she says, I just do not feel it. So far it really sucks to be Chuck.

    • … and Chuck nearly didn’t get outta bed this morning…
      Wow – this is so fast paced –
      Nice call back – Mary E B – pointing a gun at Sarah Walker…
      and I think the Key – stashed in the medal – was supposed to remind us of
      the microchip stashed inside the tooth ~ just say’n
      Oh Man – only 20 minutes left…. ever ~ just say’n

    • Of course there would be a bomb…..
      with a Sonic Trigger not less….. when the music stops we all blow up….
      Bomb and Asteroids all in one….
      The Triumphant return of : one word……………..Jeffster
      How I’ve missed the Keytar!
      Hello Mr. Intersect Bartowski – you’ve been gone way too long.
      I wonder if Sarah ever watched that porn movie?
      – you can still download anything on the Internet these days [ SOPA anyone?]

      • esardi says:

        If it was not for you, this episode would seriouly suck. T minus 10 minutes and down the tubes we go.

    • I can see exactly why Yvonne said the ending was slightly tragic….
      Its not really the soft and mushy ending we were thinking – Eh?
      Chuck is ” Re-Loaded” no Matrix pun intended….
      and Sarah is still without her memories – and there’s only 10 minutes left!!!
      [ I think I’m gonna burst] – no still not the grape soda thing….

    • Last Beckman – Wow – the little General rides off into the sunset..
      “Men can hug can’t they – not if they don’t have their man parts” – oh how far we’ve come.

      Last Big Mike scene – at the BuyMore? –
      Last Subway ad….
      Jeffster – stars – adored by women and men…. in Germany?
      maybe their leather shorts are too tight.
      Alex and Morgan finally living together – and Casey is going to find Verbanski….
      See Casey – see casey run….
      Grandma Bartowski….. Have Woodcombs – will travel [ Chicago here we come!]

    • Hey – who called the ” Sarah will you Trust Me?”….. I tip my hat….

      Beautiful Montage moment – cue the waterworks…. [ sorry I need a moment here]

      • Maybe there is still some Disney Magic left….
        I really wish they had flashed – ” The Beginning…. again” across the screen at the end.
        Morgan finally gave Chuck some good advice.

        Those two hours were not what I expected…
        but as I cue up an old Rolling Stones song on my playlist…..
        “You Can’t always get what you want –
        but sometime – you just might find –
        You get what you need”

        Tonight – I think we got what we needed.
        not all the questions answered –
        not all the T’s crossed – nor the I’s dotted
        In fact there’s probably more questions for us to
        wade into for weeks to come –
        but it was a good story.
        Thanks Chris Fedak – and Josh Schwartz – it was very entertaining.
        As someone tweeted –
        Been working on that five year plan…. just need to pick a font.
        – its been a great 5 years.

      • joe says:

        Well put, Gringo.

        My fantasy ending would still have Stephen return to take the Intersect out of Chuck’s head and restore Sarah’s memories. But that kind of neat bow on everything would spoil so much. That would be a fairytale ending that I couldn’t believe in tomorrow.

        Such a fantastical story. But there’s so much there that I believe in.

    • One Magical Kiss –
      here’s to Disney Princess Movies…….
      Standing to cheer!!! and squee…………. deep sigh……….. good nite folks
      its been such a wonderful ride!

      • joe says:

        Oh man. I will go to bed tonight hoping that kissed worked, at least some.

        By tomorrow I’ll know it did. At least some. At least, enough.

  7. herder says:

    Wow, really tense beginning, this may be a very good one.

  8. ladycat713 says:

    Is it my imagination or did Sarah just use the exact same moves Bryce did in the pilot?

  9. Katsumaro says:

    I…think she did.

  10. Jason says:

    I am pretty sure this what watching your family get colostomies performed on them with rusty pliers by a gang of drunken convicts?

  11. ladycat713 says:

    All right Ellie!

    I can see some fanfic potential already for them having to learn to trust Sarah again post finale.

  12. ladycat713 says:

    Don’t trust her Chuck!

  13. ladycat713 says:

    Casey the former cold school killer certainly is a lot better at mending relationships than one would think.

  14. ladycat713 says:

    And he says what we all thought about the Ring.And the so called Ring expert.

  15. ladycat713 says:

    Just as I was thinking WAKE UP! Chuck woke up.

  16. ladycat713 says:

    Of course Sarah’s emotional walls are brick and lead lined so gettinbg through all of her emotional walls could be much harder than getting through to Morgan’s emotions.

  17. herder says:

    I think it is safe to say that this is better as a two hour episode rather than a week between them.

  18. gameagain says:

    Regardless of what happens, I shall always remember the episode where Fernando and Skip HAD LINES.

  19. ladycat713 says:

    This is one twisted set of location changes.

  20. ladycat713 says:


    I was about to say something about the callback to Final Exam.

  21. Katsumaro says:


  22. herder says:

    This is fun but it breaks my heart that there is only a half hour of Chuck left.

  23. ladycat713 says:

    Morgan really has a huge set of balls when you see him do something like this.

  24. ladycat713 says:

    You think there’s enough time for this plot to finish and for Mama B to have a few minutes teaching Shaw the error of his ways?

  25. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    My favorite piece of classical music. Dvorak’s New World Symphony!

  26. ladycat713 says:

    Jeffster to the rescue I’m thinking.

  27. gameagain says:

    What’s happening?

    One word. “Jeffster.”

  28. ladycat713 says:

    This is why he’s great Sarah!

  29. ladycat713 says:

    Pilot callback and she remembered!

  30. ladycat713 says:

    The orchestra and the audience seem to be enjoying Jeffster’s turn on stage.

  31. ladycat713 says:

    Bekman’s gonna miss them.

  32. ladycat713 says:

    Chuck and Sarah can’t end like this!

  33. gameagain says:

    The new owners of the Buy More. Perfect.

  34. ladycat713 says:

    I can see Jeffster having a future in Germany.

  35. ladycat713 says:

    Zac’s emoting has really been making me tear up today.

  36. ladycat713 says:

    Did it work!

    Now bring on the fanfic!

  37. Aerox says:

    Great episode

    Terrible ending.

    That’s all.

    • Rick Holy says:

      I guess you just have to figure that Morgan eventually fully “recovered,” thus so would Sarah – even if we didn’t see it toto. Did like the beach as the ending scene – and so many of the other tie-ins to the pilot. All in all, a very satisfying ending – there was a little bit of so much of what endeared us to this show the past 5 seasons.

      • joe says:

        I agree, Fr. Rick. Even without Chuck’s stories she was starting to recall the little things. Clearly, Sarah was enjoying the rest and revisiting those emotions she saw (but didn’t feel) on the mission log.

        This ending allows us to have hope. And honestly, I saw nothing at the end that told me she wanted to leave or disappear again. That’s promising.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah that was the best part Joe, she was sticking around. I just wish we knew the memories were coming back.

    • Paladinobr says:

      Disappointed with the end

    • esardi says:

      Sorry it was not that great. Good episode maybe. Fedak just gave us the middle finger. It was as ambiguous as possible. You do not know if she even is going to stay. They spend the entire two episodes on the spy crap and Sarah acted like she did not care for Chuck.

      Most of her thinking was when this is over I am out of here. This episode seriously sucked on the Chuck and Sarah front.

      • atcDave says:

        I think she was staying Esardi, but otherwise I agree. The entire romance angle was WAY underplayed and not very satisfying to me.

      • joe says:

        Oh, it was painful to see Sarah acting that way. It was supposed to be.

        Esardi, it *was* ambiguous. Sarah’s started to remember things on her own, so it’s possible that the kiss helped – a lot. Even better, I don’t think there was any indication at all that Sarah was going to disappear after that last scene. That laughter told me that the stone-cold agent we saw for most of that two hours was melting (again) and quickly.

        Naw. You don’t have to share my optimism, but you can see the hints that pessimism is not the correct stance either.

      • Esardi says:

        I have to say guys that what we saw was divorce by amnesia. This was probably the most convulsed ending that I can remember. You know why she did not leave, she had no where to go. I noticed she did not want to tell the general she lost her memories. It was disgusting when she said, I believe you I just do not feel it.

        How horrible that 5 years of character growth were just washed away. How horrible that a couple who was planning their non spy life with the house and kids were left as virtual strangers. So what if she remembered internet porn. Little bits and pieces mean nothing. Then the most insulting thing that creep Fedak did was to make sure Chuck was the hero again on another lousy call back with the bomb. Well of course it could only be one more download. Of course he had to sacrifice his wife, we have to make Chuck the hero again, we must have him with the intersect again because that is what our fans want to see right?

        What an unbelievably cruel joke was just played on us. I have been saying it until I am blue in the face; I have not trusted that bastard since season 3. This reminds me of the Farscape fiasco. They may not have killed the leads but they sure killed their relationship and dreams. It was not slightly tragic, it was horribly tragic.

      • joe says:

        Esardi, what you just wrote was an amazing, passionate cri du coeur. I could never be written by anyone who didn’t care about this fictional characters and their story. A lot.

        And it couldn’t be written by anyone who wasn’t affected by these last five years. Agree or not, what you just wrote is proof that what was done, overall, over the years, was nothing short of great.

        It must have been, to affect people like you and like me so much.

      • Esardi says:

        Joe I am passionate about the show and I care immensely about the characters. I have absolutely no love for Fedak and company. They know how to screw things up as just demonstrated tonight. Some people liked the ending, I believe most did not. I bet that any casual fan that does not care for the show that watched were probably shaking their heads and saying that is why I stopped watching this show.

        I feel totally betrayed. I will never watch anything from Fedak and this ending has guaranteed that for the first time I will not buy the DVDs. I may change my mind but right now I am so frustrated, I am sick to my stomach. For me this was just a god awful ending. I could care less about another bad guy that frankly was not all that bad. That was just a contrived poorly written plot device to keep them apart. Fedak has claimed that Chuck and Sarah’s relationship is what drives the show. Then why ignore it in the finale until the last rushed 3 minutes.

        I could not believe what I was seeing but this guy has not stopped screwing with us since season 3. He just could not help himself and bash Sarah’s character one more time. God he even cheapened the “you really love me” scene. I just feel like all of our efforts were for not. He really does not give a shit about the fans.

    • Aerox says:

      Chuck versus Sarah was great. Action was awesome, storyline was interesting and Sarah unleashed was brilliant. One thing I didn’t see, but I suppose get was that Sarah didn’t take advantage of using Carmichael Industries from the get-go to hunt down Quinn, but whatever, she likes to work alone, I get that.

      Chuck versus the Goodbye was good, I liked a lot of stuff (Linda Hamilton fussing over baby clara? Brilliant!) and the humor was good.

      The ending though. I don’t get the whole logic behind it. I can tell how Yvonne thought it satisfying, because in a way it is. They get their new chance together, and Chuck basically pledged to her that if she left, so would he. That’s all well and good. But on the other hand, what Fedak himself has claimed to be the heart of the show, is basically annulled. Honestly, this storyline would’ve worked had they known they had another season. They could’ve pulled this stunt, then have one final season of crazy jetsetting spies and slowly have them gravitate towards another. That would’ve been great. This arc started too late, resolved too little and ended up leaving the hardcore viewers in two camps. You either loved it, or hated it.

      Conflicted as all hell about this, but I’m leaning towards the hated it camp right now. Maybe (HOPEFULLY) I’ll change my mind later, but for now, I’m kind of in the mood to delete my entire Chuck folder.

      • armysfc says:

        it can’t hurt. when you erase the entire heart of the show for maybe, could be’s and FF dreams, i juat don’t get it. i’m not a shipper and i thought it sucked.

      • herder says:

        The ending as the cliffhanger for another season was my impression too, Fr Rick’s idea that she should have said “shut up an kiss me” would have been better. The other thing that I would have liked to see was Casey being more cutting at the hotel room, ” I should shoot you for what you’re doing to Bartowski, but when you get your memories back you’ll want to do that yourself”. Over all two great episodes with a weak ending.

  38. Shepperd of Lost Sheep says:

    I’m sorry, but the ending was NOT satisfying.

  39. sd says:

    Can you hear the collective screams of all the shippers? It’s deafening.

    • joe says:

      Actually, what I see on twitter right now is a whole bunch of “Thank You”s to everyone involved. It’s quite touching, really. 😉

    • Spoiler Junkie says:

      Screams of anger or joy?

      • joe says:

        Well, I caught one tweet that sounded like the author was ready to grab pitchforks and torches. But really, only the one vs. about 400 thank yous in about the last five minutes.

        Mekenna just tweeted that she’s “crying all over again”.

      • sd says:

        From the 30,000 foot view…I think it was an artful way to bring things full circle–as Sarah took Chuck from dark to light–it’s now Chuck’s turn (although you can make the case he has all along).

        I mentioned Chuck vs. the Seduction and this ending was the ultimate call back to that ep where Ellie asks him how he is able to keep the “spark” alive and he says essentially it’s cause he as to win her over and over and over and over again.

        Okay…from the 10,000 foot view…I felt less than satisfied that we didn’t see more memories come back…more indication that it would be okay.

      • armysfc says:

        the ones i have see are thanking the cast and crew for a good 5 years. haven’t seen one raving about the ending though. but i don’t follow as many as you!

  40. gameagain says:

    And five years of character development and growth are deleted, and a relationship we watched blossom and grow has ended. And we’re to be satisfied with the “hope” that they eventually reconnect and rekindle? There are subtle clues that Sarah has some residual memories, but recollections of proper cup stacks and a porn virus doesn’t exactly fill me with relief.

    Amazing episodes. But the final coda ending for this series was “meh” for this full five-year investee.

    • gameagain says:

      An addendum as I just figured out why I’m dissatisfied. Chuck and Sarah ended the series NOT in a relationship and NOT in love. In fact, they are virtual strangers.


      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        She asked him to tell her their story. She laughed. She had tears of joy. She asked him to kiss her. They were kissing for a while. That’s not virtual strangers.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I’m comfortable they were in love and together. But SO much was lost, and it just isn’t clear what may have come back.

  41. Rick Holy says:

    What would have “helped” the ending is if Sarah would have said, “SHUT UP and kiss me!” (and not just “kiss me.”). It would have added more significance to the kiss and her memory recall. But all in all, I’ll take it.

    • Katsumaro says:

      Not at all. What would have helped is if we’d had an extra 30 seconds or so for Sarah to maybe.. quote something else that her and Chuck had gone through, possibly after they got together. That would have helped. Instead, they copped out and went the cheap ‘kissing leading to fade out’ route, and basically said “here you go fans, figure out what happens!”


      • cardenweasel says:

        True, but that tactic also permits one set of fans to accept that Morgan’s prediction was while another set can imagine that it’s simply the beginning of Chuck and Sarah getting to know one another again.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I agree cardenweasel. It’s ambiguous, but both options are romantic and lead to a happily every after.

      • Spoiler Junkie says:

        Ah! i get it now. This is Fedak’s idea of fixing S3. 😛

      • Katsumaro says:

        I’m sorry, but I didn’t watch this show for five years; nearly three and a half in which we saw the great tug-a-war of willthey/won’tthey.. so we could have them finally together, married, talking about kids, and then Sarah MIND WIPED and basically reset in the finale.

        No. I didn’t watch for an ‘ambiguous ending’. I would have rather see Morgan get the freaking intersect again instead of this. I’ve been *so* trusting in this show. I’ve trusted love *so* hard it hurts, and to me.. even as a ‘shipper lacking the crazy’.. this was a GIANT slap in the face. Hooray, Chuck can help her slowly remember the person she grew into over their five years together as handler/asset, friend/lover/husband and wife.. but we as fans don’t get to actually SEE that.

        That’s my problem, and there’s not a darned thing anyone can say to convince me otherwise. I’m done.

      • joe says:

        Spoiler Junkie, did you notice that S3 (with the exception of Angel) was NOT revisited in the flash-backs? Interesting.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Chuck told her the story of the ice cream/Yes scene from Other Guy.

      • joe says:

        Right. I meant to add “especially Shaw”. But I should have left it to the “misery arc”. That was pretty much ignored.

      • Shepperd of Lost Sheep says:

        I did notice that Joe. But they didn’t need it since the episodes themselves had a very very (yes I said it twice) S3 feel to them. – And not in a good way.

      • herder says:

        Joe, Chuck and Sarah talking through cell walls was a direct reference to Pink Slip, the only episode that I would call mean spirited. That said I did love all the references to past episodes, It’ll require a few rewatches to catch them all.

      • Non Omnis Moriar. says:

        Just wanted to say to Katsumaro that I completely agree with him/her.

        There are a lot of things that I want to say right now, but I’ll wait till I’ve cooled down a bit. Let’s just say for now though that if I ever see a show again with has Fedak’s or Schwartz’s name on it, I’ll change the channel immediately!

      • Katsumaro says:

        Thanks. Glad to see I wasn’t in the minority completely. I understand some saw it as beautiful, I can’t and won’t.

        Also I’m a he. 😀 It’s all good.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree we were kind of robbed Kats. And I even believe the memories came back fairly quickly. But that finale was too dark, too long, and offered the bare minimum of hope at the end. After five years I wanted far more pay-off.

    • the shrink says:

      Thanks for hanging in padre. It was a pleasure.

  42. cardenweasel says:

    I think the ending was fine. The coming full circle to a set of new beginnings was quite interestingly done. The part I am least convinced about is Casey jetting off to join Trinity, but that might just be because I missed much of the middle of the season. Lots of rich opportunities for fan fiction as well

  43. SarahSam says:

    Ughhhh !!!

    • Michael66 says:

      SarahSam, Ya beat me to it. UGH! All caps… And I ain’t even a shipper. Disgusting.

      Funny thing is, I haven’t been able to work on my sequel to ‘Three Day Tour’ due to work time constraints. When I saw Sarah get Intersected and her memories get wiped, I was depressed. That was what I was going to do. Chuck would have to romance her and win her back. I thought I would have to come up with something else. Now, I see I have to fix canon for that idiot Fedak. Or should I just give it up?

  44. atcDave says:

    Some good moments. Really weak ending. Of course I’ll assume the best from there; but what a really awful way to end. Not NEARLY enough good stuff in the end. This was not a “love letter to fans”. I’ve seen so many shows end this way; doing a grand finale of radically different tone than the show itself, and then ending on a hopeful but very vague note.
    I don’t think I’ll be rewatching this one much. 5.12 was actually the better hour of the two, but of course way to dark for my taste (as expected). 5.13 was funny in places with some of the call backs, and of course a finale Jeffster moment. But I needed a little more on the beach. I don’t know, my wife was content to conclude Sarah would be fine; she had moments of recall throughout, and that it would presumably all come back. Maybe the kiss on the beach worked like Morgan said; I would have been much happier if we had actually known that to be so. Ellie did say the memory loss was mostly temporary back in Bullet Train, but she seemed to have doubts in Goodbye. I don’t know. I needed that to be clear and it wasn’t.

    • Jason says:

      I figured the end a pretty long time ago, that she would not have her memories back and they’d be on the beach, what I thought they might do is time leap in the last 10-15 seconds showing that everything was OK with that white picket fence and a few babies floating around.

      In some ways, a perfect way to end, since for me Chuck has always been about lost opportunity. With just a few changes, this pair of episodes ‘could’ have been really, really good. But they weren’t. Strangely, everything was good, except for Chuck and Sarah, nearly all two hours their story was morbid, it never got good, ever, 12 steps back, none forward. It was just like season 3×1 thru 3×13, without the Paris hotel.

      I think the Australian word ‘brave’ translates into english as incredibly mean spirited.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree with mean spirited Jason. It was not the Chuck show I’ve been watching for 5 years (okay, maybe not four of those years…) I certainly don’t appreciate this end.

      • Jason says:

        Dave – Tonight is why I hope there is never a Chuck movie. The odds of a movie intentionally ruining the Chuck and Sarah relationship so TPTB can tell a cool dramatic story is just too high.

      • atcDave says:

        I still have mixed feelings on a movie idea Jason. I would feel better if went forward with someone OTHER THAN Schwedak at the helm.

    • thinkling says:

      Great episodes. Terrible finale.

      Don’t know if that makes sense, but if these episodes were in the middle of the season or if we had another episode to finish off, where we see Sarah Bartowski return and the Bartowski’s back to being a happy couple in love … that would be more than satisfying. But for the finale to leave things the way they did … not satisfying as a finale.

      • armysfc says:

        i agree. to think they has 3 episodes of morgansect to leave people like this. nuts if you ask me.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree 1000% Thinkling and army.

      • armysfc says:

        Dave all this time to get you to agree1000%!!! my work here is done. seriously even for a non shipper like me the ending was horrid. unfortunately that’s what most people will remember.

      • Esardi says:

        It was insulting to the fans that Fedak would call this pile of doo a love letter to the fans. He must have been referring to his true love Shaw.

      • Wilf says:

        I have never been one to complain about Chris Fedak and have liked most of the episodes, even the S3 ones, if I think about it. But I really think this was a completely crappy ending. Worse, it really felt like two fingers up to the fans, in my view. Nothing but angst and unresolved sorrow to the bitter (and I mean bitter) end. No humour in “Goodbye” was enough to raise even a small laugh from me, given that I had this feeling that all was not going to be well. I really cannot see myself re-watching these two episodes often, if ever. I am so sorely disappointed with this and completely shocked that a lighthearted series would go out in this heavy and unresolved way.

      • Wilf says:

        Furthermore, I feel really miserable. Not because the whole Chuck thing is over, but because it ended in such a bad way that I feel cheated.

  45. Paladinobr says:

    Please someone correct me if I’m wrong but I got the impression that Yvonne didn’t like so much the end too.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      She hasn’t directly said that, but many people have read between the lines. She has said in the past that she liked getting into the family and humor side of things. She didn’t get much of that in the last two, so I doubt they would be her favorites. Also, she has said many times that she was upset about the show ending for a full month. If she was that upset, she wouldn’t have been happy with any ending.

      • Katsumaro says:

        Yeah, and she tried to help fans soften the blow for when it finally hit, and now I can see why. I feel for her. Her as a character and person great with the role of Sarah Walker, and now, they basically took that Sarah Walker Bartowski and froze her in carbonite while Chuck jogs her memory off screen for years to come.

    • atcDave says:

      I suspect you’re correct Paladin. It seemed like Yvonne wasn’t happy with the end, and after watching it I can see why. It is nothing like how she said she wanted/expected it to end last summer when she was asked about it. I feel very disappointed. Not so much angry, I expect good things from that ending going forward; but they needed to show just a little bit more.

      • Paladinobr says:

        I’m not angry too atcDave, just disappointed, 😦
        After five years I was expecting a different end, maybe one with them together with her memories and their house that they talk about a lot on this season.

    • herder says:

      I think a part of that is that she liked the growth of Sarah throughout the series, then for the last two it is a reset to the start. Except for the “kiss me” bit there was no softness for Sarah in these two episodes, if you like the character and she obviously did that is a bit of a let-down. She liked being included in the humour of the show and there was none of that in these two, Sarah became a very one dimensional character for these episodes. So it is easy to see that she may not have been overjoyed by the story.

  46. jam says:

    What a dreadful way to end one of the best tv-series ever. Whoever thought this was a good idea?

  47. Justin says:

    5×12 was a good, emotional hour with Chuck faced with the heartbreaking problem of a Sarah without memories of the love between them.

    But 5×13..meh. I didn’t like the ending. It lacked the emotional impact of a series wrapup that Alias, Lost, or Six Feet Under had. It felt more like a cliffhanger than a satisfying ending to a five-year series. There is the hope that one day Sarah will regain her memories like Morgan. But that glimmer of hope isn’t enough to make me feel differently about the ending.

    The whole thing with Ellie and Awesome getting job offers from another hospital, Alex and Morgan moving in together, and Jeff and Lester being getting to be stars felt so out of blue than a series of natural, organic developments.

    Not to disrespect those who love the finale but Chuck being stuck with an Intersect that he never really wanted and was doing fine without it for the past season, and Sarah still not remembering the past 5 years with her husband made me think of this finale as a joke than a fond farewell. And no amount of clip shows of Chuck/Sarah romantic moments can’t change that.

    • Katsumaro says:

      I completely agree. Not only did it seem ‘The hell?” when it came to Awesome and Ellie getting the job offers, Casey moving past normalcy to be ‘badass and a spy again’ and Morgan and Alex moving in.. but now we’ve got to deal with the early footings of Chuck and Sarah.. even if one knows they love each other while the other is remembering.

      The ending is so rage-inducing!

  48. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    TVLINE | If I gave you an extra hour for the finale, what would you have done with it?
    SCHWARTZ | The original [cut] was almost an extra hour longer.
    FEDAK | It’s true. Chuck episodes sometimes come in a little long — not this season as much, but this one came in quite a bit long. We actually got it a little bit of extra time from NBC for it.
    SCHWARTZ | Some of the additional scenes will be on the DVD.
    FEDAK | That’s right, we actually have a longer version coming out on the DVD.

    TVLINE | Simply extended edits of scenes or also new entire scenes?
    SCHWARTZ | You’ll have a couple of entire scenes. It will be eight minutes longer. And there are extended scenes within Act 5. It will be nice.
    FEDAK | So even after tonight, there will still be the opportunity to see some new Chuck.

  49. Ernie Davis says:

    Two lines, “tell me our story Chuck” and “kiss me Chuck” say it all. She wants it back. The rest is details.

  50. MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

    Sepinwall: Well, after last week’s episode, a few commenters were upset with the idea that Sarah’s memory had been erased, and that all her character growth we had spent the last five seasons was for naught. What would you say to that?

    Fedak: I would certainly say it’s not erased. It’s not all gone. It hasn’t been five seasons all for naught. It’s in there. And the fun will be remembering it and falling in love again. How could you imagine anything better?

    • gameagain says:

      Apparently that’s all we get to do now. “Imagine” what that must be like. I’d like to see how that pans out in Season 6.

      Oh wait…

    • armysfc says:

      Jeff…not to be a smart ass but do you think that the people that pooched s3 for the most part would say anything different?

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I am just posting a link to a new article. I happens to include TPTB’s answer to the questions asked here. I have no idea what that has to do with S3. Invoking Chuckwin’s Law has nothing to do with the finale.

      • armysfc says:

        sure it does. for many s3 was a mistake, they didn’t seem to think so. for many this ending sucked they don’t. see the connection?

    • atcDave says:

      They’re actually proud of their ambiguity?! Absolutely amazing. Maybe I should be more proud of ambiguity in my work…. that would go over well.

    • Katsumaro says:

      They’re doing their sales pitch, that’s for sure. Oh.. ‘new Chuck”.. Meh.

  51. Brad says:

    First, SPOILER ALERT (though I guess that’s assumed given the article).

    I loved the episode except the main part. Hmm, that’s doesn’t sound all that positive, but it’s the truth. For a comic (in the real sense of the word) series, you never want the characters that you’ve watched and grown to love to stop having their adventures after the show ends. You want to believe that they’re off doing more great things and that it only gets better as time goes on.

    And yes, there is of course potential for Chuck and Sarah, and it definitely seems positive, but there were two blaring and almost painful questions that were left unanswered. One, did she get her memories back? Are they back on track and living grand or will they have to loose years trying to rebuild what they had?
    And two, (I might have missed this one), does Chuck still have the brand-spanking new intersect in his head? This may not have much to do with the current story, but my imagination wants to know! I want to know if my inner giddy-child can file this series away in my mind as that they are off still saving the world, doing what brought them together, or have they finally been able to move on to something else (and better for them)? To keep in line with the direction of the story, it should definitely be the later, but I’d like it to be firm.

    And if there is one thing that bugs me about this series (though overall, I’ve loved it), it’s that Chuck’s dad was shot down right outside the cellular regeneration lab that brought back Shaw. Why in the world would you not bring back one of the most mysterious and interesting side-characters when there’s a very clear plot tool right there. At least do it for their mother’s sake. They loved each other, but spent most of their lives apart.

    Okay, that’s all that I’ve got. If there is anyone with influence with the show, please take this advice:
    Create an actual closer bonus episode and use it with the last DVD box set, or even a special edition set. The best scenario that I could come up with is that you would include a code on season DVDs as they’re released (or use something identifiable on the existing season DVDs since this wasn’t done beforehand), and if the end user enters all five season’s codes into a website, they would be the first ones to get to see the flash-forward bonus that answers our big questions.

    I would like to believe that I am an average fan, and if that’s true, then this ending was true to us for most everything. It gave us the obvious potential for Morgan and Alex, the new life for Ellie and Awesome, and even brought back Mary just to remind us that she’s a part of their lives again, but I (we?) were denied and almost insulted by the ending with Chuck and Sarah. Sometimes, you just want a happy ending because you need one.

    Thank you for your time and for letting me get this out.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      The TVLine article and another article which I think was posted yesterday indicate they were very tempted to bring Orion back, but never could pull the trigger. It sounds like Fedak was more tempted than Schwartz:

      TVLINE | I was speculating that we’d see Steven J. Bartowski; I was never convinced he died. Was that one of the cameos you had to let fall by the wayside, just for time?
      FEDAK | We have thought a lot about, “How can we bring him back?” But in the end it was so much more important that [his death] was a real moment in the show.
      SCHWARTZ | We loved him — Scott Bakula was the best — but someone’s gotta stay dead on this show!

      The TVLine and Hitfix links might answer some questions, just not all of them.

    • cardenweasel says:

      I’m fairly certain that Chuck still has the Intersect…the only Intersect. As to Chuck and Sarah, I think they left that deliberately ambiguous. If you’re the type of person who wants the happily ever after NOW, then just give credit to Morgan’s Magic Kiss Hypothesis and assume that Sarah regained her memories immediatlye thereafter. If you want something that takes a little longer to develop, just note that Sarah was beginning to recall bits and pieces by the end of the episode and assume that would continue along with some more wooing and newly created memories courtesy of one Chuck Bartowski, master of Sarah’s heart.

    • atcDave says:

      We’re all just average fans here Brad, and I agree with your comments almost entirely.

    • Aerox says:

      They could’ve had that ending with Sarah being depressed over Chuck having the Intersect again and him promising her that one day, they’d get that life. Then ask her to trust him and fin. Same amount of openness for more adventures, but not the same kind of shitty ending where we’re reminded that this is in fact Chuck, and not Chuck and Sarah.

  52. Gord says:

    Even though it wasn’t the ending I expected it was still a sweet ending and brought a little liquid to my eyeballs.

    I thought these were great episodes and I loved the call backs. Especially the callbacks to the pilot.

  53. joe says:

    Dave, waaayyy up there you said

    I just wish we knew the memories were coming back.

    Yeah, me too. In the past half hour there have tonnes (that’s British!) of Tweets calling for a Chuck movie.

    Did Schwedak plan that there would be a clamoring for more if it wasn’t 100% clear that They are alright? That’s what we wanted – right? – to know that Chuck&Sarah are alright.

    We can say yes or no to that depending on our disposition, but the fans really want a movie now, if only to find out for sure, in the canon.

    Shrewd, I’d say.

    • thinkling says:

      Shrewd, but cruel

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      I’ll repeat this from the Sepinwall interview:
      “Fedak: I would certainly say it’s not erased. It’s not all gone. It hasn’t been five seasons all for naught. It’s in there. And the fun will be remembering it and falling in love again.”

      That’s clear to me.

      • Katsumaro says:

        I love how people point this out and forget the purpose of a television show. It’s so people can watch something on this box.. or in some cases.. flat object that has a screen.. and we can see things unfold.

        If I wanted to picture a happier ending in my mind, I’d read fanfic. Ambiguity.. no thanks. The fans.. we wanted to see it unfold that she WOULD remember Chuck. Sure, we got clues, but will we ever truly no? Not at all. Not unless it’s on DVD and even then it cheapens the feeling because they didn’t feel it was important enough for the TV broadcast.

      • Jason says:

        Jeff – the key is what is shown on screen – the end was underwhelming as shown on screen to many people – when many people are upset – something is wrong. Fedak missed it with his ending, it isn’t just shippers who think so. Even the funny fellow with his own site doesn’t even like it.

      • armysfc says:

        please let us see it. if it’s not in the show how do we know it happens? plus ellie says it’s much worse than morgan. they referenced several time he still issues. so again let me see it. i’m sure FF will take care of it, but is that the same? not to me. where will;l the fans see the fun in remembering it and falling in love again? that’s right they won’t. they seem to have forgotten that part.

      • atcDave says:

        Its clear to me too Jeff that things will be okay for Chuck and Sarah. But I needed to see something a little more than what we got. It wasn’t a historically bad finale by any stretch. But I didn’t find it a particularly good Chuck episode either.

      • Jason says:

        I guess that is why so many people called the ending satisfying, and not great.

      • Gord says:

        Yes to me we got the sense they were coming back – her sorting out the cups at the wienerlicious, the dance at the Russian embassy, the Irene Demova virus, and finally where did Chuck find her – at the beach.

        Sure there was no outright declaration of “I remember” but I mean it ended with her telling Chuck to kiss her. Whether she is remembering or falling in love with him all over again, I’m fine with it.

      • jam says:

        They’re supposed to SHOW us, not TELL. Saying that in an interview does not help really, only a small fraction of Chuck viewers read those.

      • Paladinobr says:

        I’m sorry Fedak but you didn’t do a good job with the end. It would be fun if we had another season or a movie otherwise is not fun!!!

      • Katsumaro says:

        and sorry.. no=know. Rage induces poor spelling. Sorry.

        But that’s my only point. I wanted to see things unfold for what they are.. not to be ‘left to the fans’

        I grew tired of Fedak’s ‘open endings leading into new beginnings’ and when he said he was giving us a ‘true ending’.. I was excited. This was the exact same as previous seasons.. just minus mythology. Instead it’s about the centerpiece of this show and one giant Will she or won’t she remember Chuck.

        I can see why people said satisfying to me. I thought it was a 1/10 ending and very unsatisfying while some liked it. More power to them.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        I wouldn’t trust FF to “take care of it.” Most recent Chuck FF is either dark and angsty, fork-in-the-road AU from pre-S1 or pre-S3, or lifting Chuck characters and recasting them in very different AUs. Many are fantastic stories, but they aren’t even close to canon story lines. The number of S4 and S5 fics is really tiny.

        I read and write in another fandom with a cancelled show, Stargate SG-1. It has a lot of post S10 fics, but that is because two seasons of SGA ,the follow-up movies, and two seasons of SGU provide framework for a continuing story. There are also 15 times as many SG-1 and SG-A stories to begin with. Even so, there is almost nothing post SGU. New stories are mostly during the series.

        I trust Fedak interviews more than FF because it is his story. You don’t have to like it, but it doesn’t make sense to deny what he says.

        Would I have liked to see more on screen in the Chuck finale? Of course. I would have loved to see a full S6. My ideal ending would have included an Alias-like flash forward epilogue. But I liked the main plot of the show itself much, much better than the Alias finale. I also liked the magic of the ending: two regular people, out of the spy life, kissing on a beach and falling in love all over again.

      • Katsumaro says:

        ….I was being sarcastic about fanfiction just to show how absurd it is for them to end it like this. It’s basically “Sopranos” minus the possible getting shot thing.

      • JC says:

        The fact that you have to quote an interview tells me they still haven’t learned the “show, don’t tell” writing lesson.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        “They’re supposed to SHOW us, not TELL.”
        That expression refers to the episode itself. They showed her remembering the carving. They showed Sarah’s reaction to Chuck while they were dancing. They showed Sarah fixing cups. They showed her reaction to Chuck when he chose to save lives by downloading the Intersect. They showed Sarah remembering the virus. They showed her quitting the spy life (which is what she wanted before all of this started). They showed Sarah remembering the beach. They showed Sarah laughing and crying at Chuck’s stories. They showed them kissing at the end.

        I realize they could have showed more. I know people wanted to see more. I would have liked it too. But It sound like a lot people wanted them to _tell_ us in the episode, “Sarah remembers everything.” For those people, read the interview.

        My sister reads no spoilers, blogs, or interviews. She is a regular watcher who occasionally misses an episode, and normally watches episodes only once. I asked her what she thought of the end. In my unscientific survey of 1 person, she really liked it and saw Sarah getting her memories back at the end. In fact, I think she liked it more than I did.

      • Katsumaro says:

        Was she quitting the spy life there at the end? I know she wanted to ‘find herself’ but I didn’t realize it was explicitly stated that she quit. Heck, if anything, things were left open for them coming back considering Chuck still had the intersect, the one thing out there that he wanted to get rid of; destroy.

        I respect anyone and everyone’s opinion on what they thought in regards to the finale, to the show, what have you.. and yes, they did ‘show’ us those things, and we could assume that things will work out for them, but I didn’t want to assume. I wanted to see. I probably feel the same way Yvonne did in the fact that.. this was just unexpected and ‘brave’. Definitely brave considering I wouldn’t hire Fedak to write one iota of a series if I were making one.

        Anyway.. maybe in the future, I’ll come to appreciate the finale for what it is, but for now.. I’m not, and it’s still upsetting that at least to me, in this fan’s eyes.. I feel I was betrayed.

      • thinkling says:

        Jeff, it would have been very simple for them to stay with the kiss, which would get a little hungrier as they showed Sarah’s memories returning, different memories than were shown as Chuck told their story. That scene needed a little more time, even 30 seconds. They had a mini montage with Chuck telling their story and flashbacks. The logical counterpart would be a montage of memories returning to Sarah as they kissed. Or if it needs to be more subtle, a lingering kiss and just one memory returns … the first one Quinn took away … the wedding.

        After that, the last line would be, “Take me home, Chuck.” He gives her a hand up and they walk back toward the car holding hands (or with their arms around each other).

        That would be showing, Chuck style.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        “Was she quitting the spy life there at the end? I know she wanted to ‘find herself’ but I didn’t realize it was explicitly stated that she quit.”

        Right before the finding herself line, Beckman says “I understand this is the end.” If Sarah was going to be a spy, that line does not make sense. Also Sarah was never reinstated in the CIA. The Buy More was sold to new owners, eliminating Carmichael Industries’ revenue stream. I guess she might have turned into a private spy like Orion, but that didn’t happen because she remembered the beach and Chuck found her there.

        “Heck, if anything, things were left open for them coming back considering Chuck still had the intersect, the one thing out there that he wanted to get rid of; destroy.”

        They did that too. Beckman said to contact her if they wanted to save the world again. They were all quitting _for now_. But they can change their minds. (for a movie)

      • herder says:

        I think it was clear that for her the spy life was over, Beckman’s goodbye speach was directed at all of them, she was going to find herself. Actually I sort of expected the kiss to occur after that it seemed a set up to Leathal Weapon and her walking away from Cole before he grabbed her and they kissed.

      • thinkling says:

        I sort of expected that, too, Herder. In fact it was like the shoe I was waiting to drop.

      • atcDave says:

        Thinkling and I are exactly on the same page again. Those couple of things, showing Sarah have a glimpse of an important memory (like the wedding) and/or a final line like “take me home Chuck” would have made me very happy. Like I said before, I can assume good things; but I shouldn’t have to assume so much. I needed just a little bit more.

      • armysfc says:

        Jeff your points are well taken by me. even tho most of this talk is about the ending i think it goes deeper than that. this was not a final arc people wanted to see. i think that was said enough. i think had there been the normal week break with the few memories we saw the reaction would have been much worse. people didn’t get to stew over the end of 12. that would have festered for a week. then add this resolution. wow is all i’ll say. while you bring up valid points there are some you left out. again they referred to morgans loss of memory like he still has some missing. then ellie says sarah’s is much worse. then ellie wants to use the intersect to reprogram sarah to give her the memories, to recall them. so whhile they show small flashes they also show it will be hard for her to get them back.

        on a side note chuck is just like his parents after all they all sacrificed their loved ones and family for other people. i guess he is his fathers son after all.

      • thinkling says:

        Thanks, Dave. Looks like we’re on a roll. Shocking that we would agree so much 😉

        On that note I’m going to bed and dream about those last 30 seconds … maybe even the week that follows.

        (Anybody want to collaborate on “The Rest of the Story”?)

      • armysfc says:

        should read not to recall them.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Army: “on a side note chuck is just like his parents after all they all sacrificed their loved ones and family for other people. i guess he is his fathers son after all.”

        I understand Chuck’s sacrifice to safe hundreds of lives. But he was potentially sacrificing happiness to safe lives. It wasn’t really a balanced life-for-a-life thing. He took the choice you expect a hero to take. He also told Sarah his decision before he took action.

        I don’t see the same decision for Orion. He hurt his family to hide himself and protect the life of another member of his family. If he told his family, they would not have been hurt and would have agreed with the decision to try to protect their mom. Frost hurt her family to protect the very same people.

        Or were you thinking of another Orion decision?

      • I want to amend something I said earlier about FF. This was the type of ending that might cause some writers to step up, even though they’ve been avoiding S4 and S5. There is already a 1-shot and the start of a multi-chapter fic. (There’s also a parody which is basically slamming the ending.)

        The end of Stargate SG-1’s S8 (when Richard Dean Anderson left as a regular) was ambiguous with Sam and Jack fishing at his cabin. It led to hundreds, if not thousands of fics. I even wrote a 100 chapter fic, each chapter with a different end to their conversation that could have happened if the episode was a few more seconds or minutes longer. If this episode inspires a bunch of great Charah fics, then I say fantastic.

      • armysfc says:

        Jeff good points on FF. i started reading a long time ago while watching JAG. i went on a forum one day and saw this dude talking about a great place called he said it was the place to go to read how an episode should have gone. he said the writers there take whats wrong (in their opinion) and fix it. i’m sure this will drive the stories up for a while anyway.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah it had occured to me Jeff that this ending would be great fodder for the fan fiction community. Although I expect a lot of what we see will be angst fics (that I’ll probably mostly skip); but I bet we’ll see quite a few takes on what comes next.

      • cardenweasel says:

        I’m going to add something a bit late to this thread regarding Chuck’s “trade” at the symphony hall. Personally, I was a little creeped out by the idea that he and Ellie intended to program Sarah back to her old self using the Intersect.

      • Dave, if Chuck beach fics follow the pattern of Stargate cabin fics, most will have very happy endings and little angst. The only ones that don’t have then getting together usually start off with a miscommunication or basic consideration (in the show, Sam just broke off an engagement and her dad died). The follow in up with them getting together later in a different setting. The cabin is told as a background thought, not chapters and chapters of angst, so the impact is minimized. They also have an A/N saying they are writing that way to be different than everyone else.

        However, Chuck fanfictiondom has a lot of authors who have Sarah leave for months, have them both sleep around, and are generally meaner to the Charah relationship (a lot more than Fedak ever was). You’re right in not trusting authors who are venting ad Sarah or TPTB. I’m hopeful about the other authors.

      • atcDave says:

        I hope you’re right about not so much of the angst, but either way I’m pretty careful about vetting a story before I start. I’ve found a lot to love, and a fair amount to avoid.

    • You know – its not even so much the memories….. its her reaction to Chuck that dissappointed me.
      There wasn’t the same reaction to him – nor the same sense of attraction to him.
      She lost her memories – ok – but does that also mean that she’s a completely different person now?
      We complained in the past – about Sarah being incapacitated in the Finales – so Chuck could be the Hero……. So I guess this only means we can say they are consistent.
      I’d be happier with the ending – if we had a chance to see the Magic – or that spark between them…. memories or not – maybe it was just the overwhelming sadness of the show ending – that weighed heavy on our leads at the very end.

      • atcDave says:

        Actually Gringo I think we did see the spark in the end. It was almost overwhelmed by the sense of loss; but it was there. And that’s why I’m saying they’ll be fine.

      • herder says:

        There was one other spark, she straightened his tie before the dance, that was a call back to numerous instances in the first two seasons, her way of showing affection. That said I think it was too little for a finale.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I agree herder. There was enough here for me to assume the happily ever after, barely. But I have to consider this very poor story telling.

  54. alladinsgenie4u says:

    I hate the ending. Just my two cents. 😦 **Back to the Void**

    @Thinkling – is there any brain bleach left? 😉 😦

    • thinkling says:

      Quinn used it all. What we need now is brain restorer.

      There are 3 good places to stop S5: end of Baby; the call Sarah makes to Chuck in Bo, where she has all her plans around her and the bottle of champagne; or the scene on the bullet train in the compartment as they draw their dream together.

      • lappers84 says:

        I agree with that Thinkling – I would personally end it part way through Bullet Train when they are discussing their future – Alex never gets taken – they all return to home – take Quinn into custody – Sarah gets the intersect removed – and then they can start their new company. Done.

      • armysfc says:

        since i never liked the amnesia bit. i would have to agree.

      • atcDave says:

        Maybe we can convince them to give us that new edit of S5 in a DVD set…. and market it alongside the S3 “‘shipper’s cut”!

  55. Kate McK says:

    *spoiler alert*

    Good episode. Amazing performances. Loved the call backs. Hate the ending.

    But the kicker for me, and not in a good way – for three seasons we had to go through “We can’t be together, Chuck, it’s unprofessional.” and “I’ll be reassigned if I’m compromised.” Yet, in her mission report, the one Casey, and presumably Beckman, saw, Sarah boldly admits “I love him.” Don’t get me wrong, in general, that scene was great, seeing how Sarah reacted to the DVD, but come on. Do these guys wipe their white board every week and start over?

    On the bright side, I got the two things I was hoping for – Sarah in the Weinerlicious skirt, and Chuck’s uniform made that even more awesome, and, believe it or not, Jeffster. Also, Casey had the funniest line ever: “You shot down my helicopter. With my own gun.”

    • Katsumaro says:

      The comedy delivery in the comedy bits was just great, especially the ‘my own gun/helicopter’ line, and yeah.. the Weinerlicious bit was fantastic, but the ending.. and how they wrote these stories. I bet if they went back and rewatched the show, they’d even question NBC for bringing it back because of how pieced together it was with things randomly left out/forgotten completely.

    • atcDave says:

      Yeah I really hate the ending. It sort of overwhelms the stuff I though was good. I’m even perfectly willing to assume things worked out fine from there on; but I needed to see it, or just a little more than we got.

    • Aerox says:

      Okay, I’m being super keen here, but day 520 something, amounts to the time between s2 and 3, so it kind of makes sense for her to admit it, considering she wanted to run away with him.

    • Michael66 says:

      >>> Yet, in her mission report, the one Casey, and presumably Beckman, saw, Sarah boldly admits “I love him.”

      Kate, I was drinking at that moment and almost spit it out. I had the exact same thoughts. They wiped out five years of canon with that scene. Unless Casey was compromised by then and excised it. But there was no way that Sarah would have admitted that on day, what was it, 564?

      People make fun of FF writers, but so far, I’ve seen better product coming from those FF writers than the pros. Especially yours! 🙂 I love “It’s a Wonderful Cover Life”

    • Aerox says:

      Although it’s still fucking stupid, agreed.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      @Dave and @katsumaro – It’s like the ending of Tic Tac. great episode, but ending leaves you depressed as hell and only hoping.

      • herder says:

        Bingo! exactly the words I was looking for.

      • thinkling says:

        Yikes, I didn’t think it was as bad as the Tic Tac ending. There was practically no hope in the Tic Tac ending.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah to me it wasn’t nearly that bleak.

      • herder says:

        No, of course not as bad as the Tic Tac final scene, but the same sense of a terrific episode with a dud of an ending. Sort of Fedak’s tin ear.

      • Esardi says:

        It would have been nice if he would have shown her the picture he drew of them in their house with a child in her arms. Oh wait we could not have that kind of recall. Too intimate eh fedak?

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @Thinkling – Well, in my book ‘no hope’ equals ‘imaginative hope’. So, there. ;D

      • thinkling says:

        Herder … Fedak tin ear … touché

      • herder says:

        By the way that her character was written, I sometimes wonder if Yvonne may have accidentally run over Chris Fedak’s dog at some point in time or some other heinous act. Think about it pretty much every one gets a happy story except Sarah.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Casey never found Gretrude. Morgan and Alex don’t make enough money to cover rent of Casey’s place. Ellie and Devon get stressful jobs and have to deal with adminstrative budget cuts. Clara grows up with two absentee parents who work too hard. Casey doesn’t find Gertrude before she is killed on her mission in Dresden. But Sarah spends the rest of her life happy with Chuck reminding her every day how much she is loved as they raise their kid in their dream house while running a computer security business.

        Sorry. A lot of people are assuming worse case scenario, so I thought I’d join in.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Herder, you are on fire. Perfectly echoing my sentiments about Sarah’s story. 🙂

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      It reminded me of personal logs in Star Trek and the video log in Avatar which they say things they shouldn’t, thinking the log is private, then later the bosses open it up because it was never really private. Unrealistic, yes. But it’s a typical TV and movie plot device.

      • Chuck downloaded the Intersect on September 18, 2007. Day One would have been the 19th. Day 564 would be April 5, 2009. I realize air dates do not always line up with show dates, but Broken Heart, with the 49B, aired on March 30, 2009. Dream Job aired on April 6, 2009. After the 49B, it was safe for Sarah to admit she loved him on her mission log. The timing of that date was spot on.

      • Kate McK says:

        @Jeff I’ve never watched Star Trek, but let’s assume Sarah thought her log was private – afterall, she admitted to kissing Chuck and then told Casey she hadn’t compromised herself with the asset, which would’ve been a waste of time if she knew he had access to her log – she admits that she loves Chuck. Yet, after the relationship was established, she sure had a lot of trouble expressing that to Chuck.

        At the end of the day though, this show is best enjoyed if you just switch off your brain. For this scene in particular, I’m just going to focus on Yvonne and her amazing acting ability. The way she reacted to the entries, and even the entries themselves, were amazing. But every time I write FF that’s heavily relies on cannon, I may say a few curses 🙂

      • Kate McK says:

        Whoops, sorry for the bad grammar, I haven’t slept at all, given that the finale was on between 3 and 5 am here.

      • One of the problems TV shows have is when major characters do not have a confidant. Chuck had Ellie and Morgan. Sarah had no one. She tried in S1 with Casey, but he didn’t want to listen. It’s why I liked in S4 when Sarah started talking to Casey. It’s why Sarah talking to Shaw in Fake Name made sense to me. (I’m not saying I liked it, only that it made sense). Using the mission log as a confidant makes sense, especially for spies who are often isolated and can’t talk about their top secret missions (assuming it is heavily encrypted).

        The show Castle had that problem with Beckett. Castle talks to his mom and daughter. For some reason they never developed Beckett and Lanie as confidants more. I think that’s part of the reason they introduced the therapist in S4.

        My favorite Star Trek DS9 episode has Captain Sisko recounting the entire story in his personal log. It ends with “So… I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all… I think I can live with it. And if I had to do it all over again – I would. Garak was right about one thing: a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it… Because I can live with it… I can live with it… Computer – erase that entire personal log.” He was smart enough to realize it was not private.

      • atcDave says:

        Great catch Jeff on the timing of her log entries; apparently they did find the exact window when such an admission makes some sense.. It is stil mildly frustrating as a call back to think she was ready to admit to herself she loved Chuck, but it still took her almost another year, and some very poor decision making, before she could admit to Chuck. But this is exactly the sort of detail television often gets very sloppy with.
        I’m mostly happy to assume Sarah thought her logs were private; but it seems a little odd that both Quinn and Casey were then able to get ahold of them when needed.

  56. andyt says:

    Wow, harsh room(or blog) than some of the others that I have seen. I really liked the finale. I laughed, got tense, worried and even got misty eyed. Yes, I even liked the end. I thought it was a beautiful culmination of the emotion and heart of the show and was very sweet. I believe that Sarah knows that she loves Chuck. Her emotions are back. I think the way she said, “Chuck, kiss me.”‘ is how I will feel about the end.

    Also, I believe that a adventures continue ending is always the best. I am not one for “closure” for a story like Chuck. Maybe it is my love for comic books, but I always believe in continuing stories. In fact most series finales that I dislike are those that end every story and leave no room for further adventures.

    I mentioned last week ST:NG “All Good Things…” , this was that finale. It called back to the very beginning but left the the stage knowing that the voyeages continue. Chuck has done the same. The joy that this show exuded was evident completely tonight. I am thankful that I tuned in to that strange show with a person’s name five years ago in September. It has been a joy and pleasure. It seems both long ago and a short time. A thank you to the cast, crew and creators of Chuck for giving us this gift. A rare highlight in TV entertainment.

    As a final thought, I have also enjoyed the last two years on the blog. I discovered it at the start of S3. While there have been spirited discussions, it has been a pleasure and a privilege to participate. To Joe, Dave, Ernie, Faith, et al., thank you and the best to you in the future.

    • herder says:

      I’ll agree with all of this except for two things, first I would have like just a bit more positive hope at the end and secondly I’m not saying goodbye to the blog yet, I think there is a bit more to be said before the end.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      I’m with everything you said, andyt. Especially the thanks to the people who run this blog.

  57. Gord says:

    I put this on the NBC Chuck board. I came up with an analogy of how I interpreted the ending when Sarah asked Chuck to kiss her.

    I compared it to the end of Cougars. It was like Sarah was saying “I don’t care about the past because I know who you are – you’re the guy I want to share my (cheeseburger) life with.”

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      I love Cougars, so I love that analogy Gord.

      Maybe Alma Mater’s “Don’t Look Back With Anger” should have been playing.

    • atcDave says:

      Yeah I get that Gord, and I even agree. I think Sarah knew in the end that she loved Chuck, and that in a fairly short time her memories would come back. But I really think they needed to show enough of that where I don’t have to preface it with “I think.” I don’t watch television to write my own stories…

      • lappers84 says:

        I’ve had time to think about the ending – and something I realised. When they all split. Morgan and Alex moving in together – Casey going after Verbanski – Ellie and Awesome moving to Chicago. Where did Sarah go?? The beach (their beach) – she obviously had no real memory of it since she asked if this place was important – Morgan telling Chuck not to think with his brain but with his heart (that’s probably how Sarah got there) – it was instinct, her heart was telling her to go there.

  58. ChipLecsap says:

    I think the 5.12 was amazing, really. It was evil also, some of the Sarah scene, I mean the whole You really love scene was very evil. I need to give credit for this. When Sarah watched de dvd-s I was hope full. But I think the end is not worth it. I think, this was a very very bod move to finish the show. I not hate it, I dissapointed, sad, and felt cheated.

  59. atcDave says:

    Okay important interview just came up on IGN. Here Fedak clearly says that to him, Sarah got her memories back pretty quickly. He still calls the ending intentionally ambiguous; but the writer’s take on it is that all is well. That is good enough for me.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      It all comes down to perception. My perception/how I saw it is vastly different from how Fedak feels.

    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

      Schwartz’s alternate line to “Kiss me Chuck” is hilarious. It probably would have eliminated all of the complaints here. If the show where on HBO…

      I remember someone, but I don’t remember who, saying they didn’t want a magic wand to restore memories. It seems like most people wanted the memories clearly restored. It sounds like Fedak says the memories are restored sometime, but the didn’t want to nail it down to keep both groups happy.

    • herder says:

      How much does this remind you of his saying that Shaw was the ideal man for her in the interview after Mask? There are bits of what goes on in the show and what fans relate to that he just doesn’t get. That said these were two amazingly good episodes.

      • atcDave says:

        eh, the mood was really too dark for my taste. They weren’t terrible, but I would have felt better with a more definitive end.
        Now that said I think this was a far better interview than what we saw after Mask. For starters, I’m happy to buy into this bit of damage control.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        None. This interview is more about what happens next, not who a character was supposed to be–but really wasn’t.

        (Chuckwin Law disclaimer): I think Shaw was actually the ideal man for S1 Sarah if one of those Internet personality matching services was used. The matching service didn’t understand chemistry, which Sarah and Shaw never had. It also didn’t understand how much Sarah had changed because of Chuck. Ideal on paper didn’t match reality.

      • armysfc says:

        what i don’t get is how they thought it was so great. like this

        came about at the end of last season. We started working out what would happen if Morgan had the Intersect and the more we talked about it, the more we thought it would be cool if the Intersect had a different effect on other people, especially this new version of the Intersect. And then we thought… The biggest part of the show was the Chuck/Sarah relationship and that there would be nothing as dramatic as what happens if one of them would have their memories [taken away] – that they would lose the relationships if something as traumatic as this could happen.

        they think this is a good idea? going after the heart of the show and at the very end? i’m still baffled.

      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost says:

        Maybe they thought it was great because they are fans of The Notebook. A lot of people liked that book and movie. At least Chuck and Sarah didn’t die. I liked the Chuck ending much better than The Notebook.

      • Esardi says:

        He has had no clue for a long time. That is why they hide him instead of having him on interviews. Fedak has always suffered from foot in mouth decease.

  60. the shrink says:

    Love or hate…. It was one hell of a ride. I am glad I stayed on the train no matter how many stops it made. Thank you Joe, amy and the rest of you. For loving living and talking chuck. Thank you nbc nazis for banning us from the boards so Joe could create this site. I enjoyed every bit of the 5 years. Conection terminated

  61. Ash says:

    This has really left a bitter taste in the mouth for me. I can’t even bring to words how upset with the ending i am, and thats all i can write right now.

  62. Rick Holy says:

    Remember the fairly popular movie, “The Notebook?” There was a great line from James Garner’s character: “I read to her, and she remembers.” I kind of see that in the beach scene. For those who are less than pleased, I understand – I do. But just having Sarah go to the beach (why would she go there if there wasn’t something about she and Chuck in her memory bank drawing her there) was I think telling in relation to her memories were coming back – even though she might not have been aware of that it was a part of her memory coming back (kind of like the cup arrangement at The Weinerlicious). That’s why her asking Chuck to tell her their story was powerful. “I read to her and she remembers.” And there’s something about “The Nerd getting the girl (re: vs. the Cougars) TWICE that is appealing.

    If they ended up in their dream home, there’d probably be folks crying, “How predictable!”

    • Rick Holy says:

      @MynameisJeff. I just backtracked and saw you’re comment referencing The Notebook. I hadn’t seen it when I posted mine. Interesting how we both saw a little bit of “Notebook” in how CHUCK ended.

    • armysfc says:

      i don’t doubt that. i think most people would have been happy with something in between. one memory of the engagement, wedding, or a scene from honeymooners. something more concrete than what we got. something solid about the relationship.

      • Rick Holy says:

        Valid point. Maybe a “flash”back of the wedding kiss when they kissed on the beach – and then a smile from Sarah. Or something like that.

      • armysfc says:

        exactly. it didn’t have to be big, just important.

      • lappers84 says:

        I really think a “Let’s go home” from Sarah would have just been enough of recognition to be closure yet still enough to be left open – Two ways we could have looked at it. First she may feel she can trust Chuck enough to make it work – or the magic kiss did work and she remembers enough about their life together. Just one line.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree exactly you guys; that is precisely the sort of “little bit more” that this ending needed.

  63. ChipLecsap says:

    I try to be not sound some crazy person or whatever.
    But what they killed is the LOVE. Sarah’s love for Chuck. And these place, it meant to us, but for Sarah it not mean anything Its like never hapened,
    I can’t express my self , unbelievable. they to Chuck and Sarah, the Heart of the show as they said, and literally Killed. I know its sound crazy, but this is it.

    But dam 5.12 so good, really, Tha massage, and again the You really love me, this is realy, I must did the job very well. Genius, evil heartbroken, but Sarah not feel it, wich is good and kidn of believable , but as the story goes She not feel it, no mater what, never again. and than she like tel me are story, and kiss me.

    OMG this is ……. crap. It can’t be defended theres is nothing to save it.

  64. Chris says:

    Wow, what a wasted opportunity to end the series in a great way. I feel really let down by the creators on that ending! Oh Fedak, you really dropped the ball on this one in my opinion.

    I have to agree with Jason and some of the other posters above. Fedak should have just had the fade to black and the Chuck logo come up for a few seconds to make us worry that was the ending, and a lame way to end, but then come back on and flash forward into the future a few years with Chuck and Sarah at their dream home with the white picket fence, happy and together (optional -maybe show a baby boy they had named after Stephen Bartowski). Even a little better would be to show all the other major characters and their lives together in the future too. Of course a whole episode like that to spend with the characters together would have been great and not so focused on a half-assed spy plot to the very end with Sarah’s memory reset. I think we deserved better than what we got at least.

    I guess I have always liked when stories have a good epilogue with characters I have grown to love. I don’t want to imagine it maybe will be okay, but I want to see after these 5 years that I have spent with the characters.

    Now Fedak, I remember you are the same person that thought the whole Shaw thing with Sarah was a good idea in S3, but I thought we had moved passed using terrible ideas?

    • armysfc says:

      they gave morgan the intersect to set this mess up. why change now?

    • Esardi says:

      Chris, Fedak called that piece of crap episode epic. I guess why I am fuming over this episode is that Sarah never acted like she was attracted to Chuck at all. All she thought about was killing him and when that did not work out leaving to find herself. That 3 minute rush job at the end did not make me think all was well or that she would not leave.

      • atcDave says:

        Esardi I do think we can believe in the end that Sarah was happy and in love with her husband. She knew all episode she was fighting for her memories, and in the end she was ready to reclaim her life. She was laughing and crying as they talked, and telling Chuck to kiss her struck me as a pretty clear declaration she was with him.

        But it was a horrible ending in the sense it left WAY too much to the imagination. As Chris said above, I’m also a huge fan of a good epilogue, and of course this episode was utterly unsatisfying in that regard. We got no clue about what comes next for Chuck and Sarah (they sold the Buy More? so now what?!) This ending shows me CF never did understand the romance, or even why so many of us watched the show. I seriously think Yvonne’s month of crying was about a lot more than saying goodbye to friends; her character was VERY poorly served by this ending and she knew it.

  65. steveee34 says:

    I was surprised, I kept thinking they would pull out Chuck’s drawing from the last week (of their future home. where sarah mentions that “she’ll always remember” that),. They didn’t do that, but I still LOVED the ending…..Obviously, she’s going to remember, and they’re gonna live happily ever after. Her remembering by little bits and pieces proves that she’s already on the way to recovery. Would her putting on the intersect glasses and immediately remembering everything 100 percent have been more satisfying? I don’t think so–that would have been the easy/obvious way solution; nothing more than a twist on the old “second bump on the head cures the amnesia” plot device that we’ve seen on gazillions of other lesser shows throughout the years.

    • lappers84 says:

      I was honestly just hoping she’d remember the important memories, that we as fans always wanted to see over the 5 years. Sure we leave it knowing they will be fine, but it will never be the same – Will it be better, maybe. But what I found made Chuck and Sarah who they were was what they went through together to get to that point – and to have it end with her having to start all over again – makes it feel like 5 years didn’t really exist. Sorry I’m ranting. I didn’t hate the episodes – in fact for 90% of it I loved it – just that ending. Maybe a little recognition at the end that she at least did remember that she loved him. Oh well.

    • atcDave says:

      I have no qualms about using a cliched plot device to fix a cliched plot device…

      I agree its obvious she will remember; but seeing Chuck and Sarah together was the number one draw of this show from the start, this ending was completely unsatisfying in that regard. I expect to be told a story when I watch television; being left to end the story on my own seems like a cheat.

  66. Faith says:

    Hello, I’m here for all your directed to me sh**. Come on, I can take it 🙂

    • armysfc says:

      why would i do that? did ya write it or something?

      • Faith says:

        I’ve spent the past month basically telling people to be patient, to believe in the love so if they have grievances my way, I’m woman enough to take it.

      • I was patient, and I still believe in the love. You’re safe from me, Faith.

        If you’re looking for cheep shots, I could say something about the Lakers being an 8 seed, but that would be pointless. They’ll move up.

    • Katsumaro says:

      I would have preferred a warning. When asking the question ‘You know me, you know what sort of Chuck I like, will I like this” and to be told yes without doubt.. it got my hopes up. Already voiced my displeasure for the final bit and there’s nothing to be done there. Moving on.

    • Katsumaro says:

      Oh, and Mike Brown still sucks. Kobe’s a one-man show, and the Lakers won’t make it past one series in the playoffs.


      • Now, Faith is going to blame me for starting it. The Lakers are only a 1/2 game out of a 3 seed, which would given them home court in the first round. Parity could push them into the conference finals. They just are last in tie-breakers right now. It all depends on if Kobe’s health stays up in the compressed schedule and if his teammates quit because of trade rumors. Kobe’s not good to bet against, but OK City looks like the the team to beat out of the west.

      • Katsumaro says:

        Outside of Kobe and Pau, you can’t really depend on anyone else on that team, and Mike Brown’s not exactly great int he playoffs even with LeBrick James.

      • Faith says:

        expletive you Kats! 😛 Stay away from my Lakers 😉

    • Aerox says:

      Well, I didn’t like the ending, but that’s no reason for me to randomly start flaming people haha 😀 I’ll just vent on the actual storyline. Although kudos for standing up. Wish I had your perseverance.

    • Jason says:

      Faith, you are probably gone from the blog right now, but I am looking forward to your reaction to the finale, are you going to post a seperate piece? In many ways, it could have been much much worse, but probably exists on the very low end of acceptable to me, probably why so many who saw it early called in satisfying. I’d probably qualify that to ‘minimally’ satisfying.

    • Jason says:

      Best thing about the ending, it will be harder to start the movie with the relationship in some morbid spot, like divorced, since they ended the series so woefully inadequate?

  67. armysfc says:

    i have replied to a few posts about the ending. here is why it fell flat to me. i’ll go with the idea that sarah will in time regain all her memories. yeah it’s all good right? not to me and here’s why. knowing she gets them back is not the same as seeing it. we won’t get to see her reaction when she remembers barstow, or the train in paris, chuck jumping off a building to save her. see her disgust when she remembers shaw. the first time she remembers some nerd speak or plays a game and knows how. the time she gets to see ellie and devon as her old self. we won’t get to see that, any of it. so yeah she gets her memories back but we get cheated out of seeing it. that’s why my cry has always been it should have happened sooner.

    i was deployed back in the day. and my team was in the world series. i come back from a mission and find out my team won the series two days after the fact. i was glad they did, but it couldn’t compare to the time i sat and watched the drama unfold in front of me when i watched live. i didn’t get the chance to cheer at the good parts, boo at the bad parts and cheer them on. that’s a huge difference.

    this event is similar to that. there is a tie game with runners on first and second no outs. then the screen cuts out an i find out later the results.

    • I agree about watching live. My dad called and told me right as the Cardinals won the 2006 World Series, which I was unable to see. I watched all of the 2011 World Series, and it was much more fun. Then again, it was also a more memorable series.

      To refine your analogy, I think it is more like cutting the highlights right before the Ravens missed their potentially game tying field goal, or right before the Giants made their game winner. You know who is going to be in the Super Bowl. Some people need the additional satisfaction of seeing the ball go through the uprights or shank left.

      Likewise, some people need more than a 14 second kiss (which for all we know is still going 🙂 ). I’m very happy with what we got, would have preferred more (like a full season), and understand those who have stronger negative feelings about it. I wish the volume wasn’t so loud, but realize this is definitely the time they need to vent their frustrations.

    • lappers84 says:

      I absolutely agree – and like I said in my previous post, we endure 5 years of ups and downs for what. Hopeful??? Some will be ok with that – but not me. Also what bothered me was the fact that not only did she lose her memories, she lost all her feelings (or even an indication that something was off). And WTF happened to that drawing?? – they made such a big deal of it in Bullet Train and how Sarah would never forget it, but it wasn’t even mentioned once. Ambiguous doesn’t really work for a series finale – a season/mid season finale it could have worked – but as people have already posted. If I wanted to imagine I would read fanfiction or a book – but when watching TV I want to see things unfold. Having said all that I did enjoy pretty much everything else (apart from the stupid Sarah stuff).

    • atcDave says:

      Yeah army I think that’s exactly why this didn’t work for me. I believe things went well after the beach; but I watch TV expecting to see great moments, not have them vaguely hinted at.

  68. Keith says:

    Just watched Phase Three again and now I’m even more heartbroken by the finale.

    • Katsumaro says:

      Yup. Mind wipe Chuck? Nah. It’s his show, can’t do that!

      Mind wipe punching-bag Sarah Walker Bartowski? SURE NO PROB.

      Someone said this on twitter earlier, but Yvonne must have killed Fedak’s dog or something.

  69. As I have said, I liked the ending on the beach. Here’s a couple things I didn’t like:
    – End of Chuck vs Sarah – I had no problem with Sarah leaving on her own to hunt Quinn. It made sense for the plot. However Chuck never offered to go with her. I would still fully expect Sarah to turn him down, him to accept it, and her to leave anyway. I just thought Chuck should have said something. Thank goodness the next episode started immediately. Otherwise, everyone would be comparing it with Gobbler for a week.
    – Ellie and Awesome going to Chicago. It seemed unnecessary. One of Fedak’s post-show interviews talked about the Woodcombs’ growing up and living on their own and maybe something about letting Chuck stand on his own. That could have been done with them moving out of the apartment complex to the suburbs. They didn’t need to move 2000 miles away. I would have preferred the extended family stay closer together. At least the show acknowledged something in the US outside of LA, DC, and Miami.

    • A third (minor) thing:
      – No Casey/Sarah hug. Beckman hugged Casey. Casey hugged Chuck. Alex hugged Casey. The only Casey/Sarah hug is a Adam/Yvonne one from a behind the scenes picture of the last days of filming. One of the writers or producers, who probably also eliminated a hug from Push Mix, must’ve really been against it.

      • armysfc says:

        that made sense. casey knew she didn’t remember her relationship with him so no hug

      • Of course it would have made little sense. But Casey didn’t expect Beckman to hug him, and Chuck didn’t expect Casey to hug him. It would have been funny to see Sarah’s startled reaction if Casey initiated it. After Casey left she could say to Chuck something like, “Does he do that a lot?”

      • atcDave says:

        I agree with most of that Jeff. When Sarah left at the end of 5.12 without Chuck saying anything I remember muttering “lame”…. And that was exactly the problem, Chuck needed to volunteer to accompany her. Which led to the rock bottom moment of the entire finale for me, the start of 5.13, with Chuck waking up and finding Morgan next to him. Absolutely horrifying, and not in a funny way; just heart breaking.

    • Katsumaro says:

      That and while I understand wanting to get out and move from the nest, so to speak.. to go that far away, especially with the way Chuck’s life had turned upside down? Heck.. a lot of that stuff seemed to pop up out of no where.

      Didn’t really get the lack of Sarah/Casey hug.. really weird.

      And her leaving Chuck at the end of vs Sarah, to me.. is no where near Gobbler levels. Then, at least Sarah knew who Chuck was, knew she loved him, and wanted to return to him. This Sarah didn’t have any of that.

      • I agree it was different than Gobbler. But it always surprised me about the strong reaction against Gobbler. Sarah leaving made sense both times, to me. In Globber, she was helping Chuck and was coming back eventually. In 5.12, she didn’t remember a reason to stay. Given a week, a frenzy might have stirred.

      • Katsumaro says:

        In Gobbler, she knew what she had to return home to. In 5.12, she had no idea where she’d return to at all. A frenzy would be warranted then.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I would have been seriously unhappy with a week in between those two. Especially as Goodbye offered no real pay-off for me.

  70. lappers84 says:

    My main problem with this ending was it wasn’t really great as a series finale – Had it been a season finale I would have been pleased with the way it went. But so much was lost, 2 epsiodes earlier she was ready to quit the spy life with Chuck after 5 years of character growth with the others to start a cyber terrorism company (that would have been pretty cool btw) – and then Shwedak decide for the final two episodes of the SERIES to hit the reset button on Sarah. I still wonder if they ever really got how much we loved her – As Faith mentioned in a previous thread, that we were basically watching things through Sarah’s eyes and not Chucks (or at least that’s the impression I got) – I wipe her memories, you wipe ours too.

  71. Shepperd of Lost Sheep says:

    After thinking about it a little bit I have to say that the ambiguous ending, after two hours of “downer”, really sucks the life out of watching ANY previous episodes.

    I want to say I liked it, I truly do, but they left everything so vague and ambiguous and (as you know, my personal favorite) up to the fans to finish the story, that it leaves me wanting like no other of their “dramatic” storylines.

    IMO, S5 should have started with this story, not ended with it.


    • Non Omnis Moriar. says:

      I guess if S5 had started with this arc, I still wouldn’t have liked it, but at least the show could’ve ended in a more positive manner. I can’t help but feel sad and empty right now. I’m sorry but this show deserved a far better ending than it got. I think it’s time to use that black box again that some of you suggested to me earlier when talking about the third season. For me this ending goes right to the bottom of it. Together with Shaw and Hannah. I’m glad for all the people who saw this and found this ending satisfying, for me it will probably be a while before I can look at this without only seeing a huge sad mess of missed opportunities.

    • Shepperd of Lost Sheep says:

      The extra 8 minutes on the DVD had better be at the beach. Because nothing else will fix this mess.

      I don’t even see how you can sell this in syndication now. “Oh watch 90.9 episodes, but in the last 3 minutes we take it all back so they mean nothing.”

      It’s like by taking Sarah’s memories they took ours as well. (Wow, that’s deep)”

      • atcDave says:

        It won’t be on the beach Shepperd. They were pretty clear in the interview they were quite proud of this ending. To me that’s the worst part of it.

    • jam says:

      I agree, the greatest tragedy in this is that it really killed off my interest in re-watching old episodes. And I used to love rewatching them. Now… seeing how it all ends I just don’t see the point.

      Season 5 DVD extras do not interest me unless they fix the ending, and that’s not going to happen. Movie?

  72. Eric says:

    Just finished watch the finale, brings back so many great memories.

    We should try to get Netflix to pick up the series. Netflix have been spending hundreds of millions buying content, lately it’s even gone to develop its own shows (Lilyhammer anyone? ya, me either…) Instead of risking millions developing shows no one might watch, Netflix would do well by picking up shows like Chuck that already has a built-in super dedicated fan base like us. With Netflix picking up the production cost, Chuck might be able to go somewhere it couldn’t before….anyone else think this is a good idea? Let’s do the Subway thing with Netflix!

  73. JC says:

    Both of these episodes suffered from what every season finale has, they try and do too much which leaves me feeling unsatisfied. Lots of great parts and action but man that ending felt like a giant middle finger to me. Every character but the supposed heart of your show is moving on while they’re reset to five years ago. Sadly the best part of epiosde for me was Mark Pellgrino’s character calling the Ring a bunch of amateurs and Casey saying he didn’t want to lose Chuck too. I’ve joked around that Casey bad the only believable character arc in the show and sadly tonight proved it from me.

    I’ve heard fans defend the writers about the plotting of the show. How the late pickups never let them develop a story because they didn’t know when the show would end. Well I’m calling bullshit on that because this arc was just as bad as the previous two. I get the Morgansect arc was needed to set up the amnesia but why waste time on Decker, the Omen virus, Shaw. All completely pointless in the grand scheme of the season. Instead we get what should have been at least a half season of story shoved into two hours. What was the point of Quinn? Honestly I would have prefered Chuck dying to save Sarah who regains her memories with her finding out she was pregnant at the end. Tragic yes but it wouldn’t feel like a cop out like this does.

    • lappers84 says:

      Funnily enough I didn’t have a problem with the whole amnesia arc – but they could have started it earlier – or bought Quinn in as a longer running bad guy – his backstory had potential. They could have easily skipped the whole Shaw/Decker/Omen Virus thing (or at least they could have tied Quinn to it – as a mad capped method to get the intersect). In fact if anything what Decker said at the end of season 4 could easily have led to Quinns reveal. At least that way they could have bought in Sarah’s memory loss in earlier – then we may have had a better ending.
      I’ve since softened a bit at the ending because I know things will turn out fine (She went to their beach when she had no where else to go.) But a simply let’s go home at the end would have added a little more closure to the ending.

  74. Jason says:

    I have not rewatched, but I will someday, going to let it settle in my brain for a few days or weeks or months. Matter of fact, I have not rewatched an episode of Chuck since the sixth episode of season 5, which I got about half way thru and decided I simply do not like the show as much as I used to. I can’t even remember the reason, something about Chuck not trusting Sarah after all they have been through.

    I am surprised by the overall amount of negative feelings about the end, as well as how many different corners I have seen it coming from, reviewers, fanboys, shippers, the so-called sophisticates, I am pretty sure no segment of the fan base was immune. The fan base was not polarized over the end or split, rather somewhat united, only in a bad way, the opposite of what I had hoped for.

    In their defense, Schwedak view themselves as geniuses, and geniuses can’t write a bland ending to a cult oriented show. I’ve used the blind alligator and the mouse crossing the river analogy often to describe TPTB’s relationship to us. Unfortunately, they are the alligator and we are the mouse. Something IMPORTANT had to be odd to satisfy their need as creators. So it was. I wonder if they realized how unpopular their choice would be?

    Several of my recurring complaints about Chuck reared their ugly heads in the last three episodes. Chuck’s only technique to create drama is by destroying Sarah, check. Chuck is not technically built for drama, check. Finally, Chuck does great episodes, with exceptional characters built around bad stories, check. In the last 3 episode arc, the amnesia story joins the Morgansect story in season 5.1, the very weak conspiracy story in 5.2, the Agent X story in season 4.1, the Frost story in 4.0, the Shaw resurrection from the dead story in 3.1, and the Sham story in 3.0 as lousy long term stories that have consistently held the show back, in spite of what amounts to many, many, many people’s most beloved cast of characters on tv.

    Sarah recalled the carving, we saw it in her head, she seemed to recall the virus and the WeinerL’ous cup placements, on screen we are given clues she is regaining her memories. But, then in the final scene, no clues. She asks Chuck to tell her their story and he does. When finished, she asks him to kiss her and he does. End of story, the final arc took 91 steps back, and one small step forward, that was all the showrunner was willing to give up in the end. Hence, the staunchest supporters call the finale satisfying instead of epic or great or grand or awesome, while the biggest detractors will call it stupefyingly inadequate, woefully miserable, and depressingly selfish. In the end, this was TPTB’s way of showing fans of Chuck how he feels about them. TPTB could have done so much more, done so much better, but …..

    • andyt says:

      I will disagree with the calling the fan base united in their dislike of the end, including the “so-called sosphicates” if by that you mean the professional reviewers. Alan Sepinwall gave the finale a huge postive review and most of the comments on his blog are positive. Some overwhelmingly so. Also Ryan McGee at AV Club gave the Finale an “A” grade and was extremely effusive about it. And this is the guy who is ripping Fringe every week(including this one) for mutilating and destroying character growth over the three seasons. Further, Mel at ChuckTV who has been a huge supporter of the show loved the episode. I admit that there are many negative comments on this blog, but that is only one sampling. I do not think a broad statement that the fanbase is united in opposition to the finale is correct. Instead, it is more accurate to say that some loved it, some most but not the very end, some thought it well crafted but not to their liking, others hated it. Rather than united there is a range of opinion and feeling.

      • Jason says:

        Andy – I did not mean to hurt your feelings. If you take the time to read what I wrote, I did not say united against like you claimed, I said that the negative came from all corners of the fan base, rather than splitting the fan base in two, shippers vs non shippers for example. My writing took in account some indeed would like it, what surprised me is the like vs dislike was not lined up in the normal polarized pattern.

        I was also surprised, because although I did not like the final three episode arc’s final story, I really did think nearly everyone would. That was my first reaction, I did not like it, but I thought nearly everyone would . Satisfying seems to be the catch word so many of them are using, which is code for inadequate.

      • andyt says:

        Jason-No hurt feelings. I just believed that you were making a blanket statement about the fans and reviewers that was not accurate to the comments and reviews that I have seen, if I misinterpreted, my bad. I will say that sometimes satisfying just means satisfying not inadequate. I and several friends who watch the show are satisfied by the ending. We do not think it inadequate. I think people who dislike the ending have been very vocal, so those who are satisfied are exactly that in my mind.

  75. TomM says:

    While watching the two episodes last night I laughed some, had tears in my eyes a couple of times, but mostly I was numb. The episodes were well crafted and I suppose told the story that they wanted to tell, it was just not the story that I wanted to watch. I couldn’t believe that they killed off the Sarah Walker that I had come to know and love. They took five years of character growth and tossed it out the window–it meant nothing. I had hope at the beginning when she threw Quinn out of her hotel window, but after that she blindly accepted his story of events. She never questioned why this mission would take five years; why it would require that she date, become engaged to, and marry Chuck. This wasn’t even the Sarah of five years ago. I mean she didn’t trust Ryker’s motives in “Baby” but she trusted Quinn? For God’s sake she tried to blow Chuck up (even though Quinn pushed the button) and then she stood there in their dream house and mocked his love and was prepared to put a bullet between his eyes. And she never questioned breaking into a government research facility to steal the intersect? (although I did like the little robots in the research facility–kind of reminded me of a chapter in Fates). Even when Quinn was revealed as the bad guy, she still remained distant, cold and heartless, up until the very last scene on the beach. I did predict in the spoiler thread that she would not get all of her memories back and that Chuck would share his memories. I also said that I didn’t want it to end that way, but it did. The only character I could sympathize with in these two episodes was Chuck. He was desperate and heartbroken–sort of like me right now after watching the show (lol).

    • esardi says:

      Excellent reply Tom. I feel numb, empty but mostly betrayed. Some folks here think it was great and with all the call backs we should be more than satisfy. To all of you I say those call backs would have been much more fulfilling and meaningful as the power couple spy once again saved the day and at the end when all is said and done they have their much deserved happily ever after.

  76. alex says:

    Havent read all the comments so this may have already been said and I certainly know most will not agree but this is my take.

    We saw Chuck and Sarah begin their normal life at the end of this finale, sort of okay, well we saw them at the point at where they finally can. The story ended where all stories do when the resolution was achieved, the resolution of Chuck, is him getting the girl he wants and getting to live his normal life how he wants, exactly what Chuck the character wanted from the moment the spy life intruded, which incidently is when we first met him and most of the other main characters. An yes we were shown the story began earlier but we only got snapshots of the history. And yes it is sad we didn’t get some sort of snapshot of the future of the happily ever after. But really when do you ever see this. You don’t, love stories, okay fairytales at least end as soon as the protagonists have got together and free to have their happily ever after but we don’t see it, no we simply get to imagine it.

    So while i can understand this ending being unsatisfactory to most all viewers, I after thinking about it like it and easily understand it as the ending we got with how this season panned out. And while yes many people hate the entire season, i’m just happy that i got to enjoy five seasons of Chuck, because hell when did any ever think this show was going to make it. Ultimately i have to be happy with what the writers gave us because they are the ones who created it, and hey if you angry go write some fan fiction t tell the world how you think this should have gone. i am just going to be a lover not a hater because its just so much more fun. =D

  77. sd says:

    I have been reading a lot of posts and it seems that what rankles fans is the “destruction” of Sarah’s character growth. At the “bitter” (sweet?) end we see a warmer, laughing Sarah that I guess is supposed to telegraph to us that she is moving quickly from the stone cold spy of five years ago and will reclaim herself and her future with Chuck.

    I agree with atcdave that a postscript of some sort would have been nice…a year down the road…a glimpse of S/C visiting his family at Christmas..,just something…can’t you tell me something about the future…okay, not everything…maybe your middle name, what’s your middle name? 🙂

    • lappers84 says:

      I was pissed that they seemed to drop the drawing completely like it was simply a red herring. Why make such a big deal of the picture and having Sarah say she’d never forget it then just leave it out like it didn’t matter. Annoying.

      • Paul says:

        I completely agree. Chuck having that drawing in his hand on the beach and Sarah seeing it right after Chuck mentions the magical kiss it her remembering it in a powerful, even flash sort of way right before asking for Chuck to kiss her would have made all the difference.

  78. Henry says:

    I didn’t read the 300+ comments, but I want to say that i am one of those who liked the finale.
    Bur first, once again, ZL and YS (and all the cast) really couldn’t play it better. I am amazed.
    And the final scene, for me it was satisfying. And I don’t agree with those who said that they wasted 5 years of character’s development. As I see it, two things are important: in S1 or 2, when Sarah rejected Chuck, he just stopped. Now, he decided to fight for the love of his life, to be there. Second, Sarah first wants to go away, to elaborate things, then she agrees to stay on the beach and to listen to him: and when she asks him to kiss her, it’s her way to say “help me understand what I have missed”: and asking for help is something that the old SW never did.
    I prefer this than some magic trick, like the Intersect giving her back all the memories, or a magical kiss to wake the sleeping beauty.
    So, at the end, I liked this ending, I will watch it again, I will get emotional again, I will laugh, and cry, and all the things that I did in these years watching Chuck…

    • Jason says:

      Henry – I thought planting Sarah’s memories back with Chuck’s or with albums or video’s using the intersect was a much worse idea than the beach. I wanted her to regain her own memories on her own, or thru the force of her and Chuck’s love. That is sort of what did happen, just did not take it far enough.

      • Henry says:

        Well, maybe we could ask for a sixth season, where they show us how Sarah regains her memories again. And the house, with the picket fence, and 2.5 children, etc… 🙂

    • lappers84 says:

      Yeah, I think Sarah quickly telling Chuck to kiss her was indeed her way of accepting his help to remember (also probably hoping the magic kiss might work.) – Also I was kind of hoping that she would say “Shut up and kiss me”.

    • Welcome to the minority (on this message board), Henry. We have Twinkies.

      I’m liking the ending more on rewatch. I will always say I wanted more, but that’s more because it is Chuck. If one ending could have magically satisfied everyone here, I still would have wanted more.

  79. SarahSam says:

    It all fell down as I feared. I had a glimmer of hope at the beginning of Goodbye, but after the lack of resolution in the first half I knew it was exactly as Shep predicted…too little time to fix the Charah love. Story should have been visited earlier ,if at all. I’m with Jason, Fedak doesn’t like Sarah Walker , he doesn’t like Charah and with the finale, I’m beginning to wonder if he even likes Chuck. Having Quinn call Chuck “the world’s biggest p*ssy? WTF? Fedak is Shaw. That’s his doppelganger. Extremely disappointed, but really not surprised. It left me cold, a rare experience for me when watching Chuck.

  80. Aerox says:

    Rewatched the ending. Slowly beginning to get around from my overly negative first watch. Still think this ending is terrible, but ZL and YS killed the last scene brilliantly. And yeah, it’s obvious she’ll remember. I’m not happy about the ending, but it’s not as bad as last night, so there’s that. And in a way, it was pretty romantic I suppose.

    • Jason says:

      I have not rewatched, and I did not like the amnesia thing from the start, sort of reminded me of Pink Slip, when you start from a lousy spot, it is hard to recover. But, your second reaction, was sort of my first reaction, I thought most people would like the ending and the three episode arc. And I do think the notion that it will get better for some of us over time, just like it has for you, is accurate too. But, with a few small changes, they would have nailed it, had everyone ecstatic, they simply chose not to. Not sure why?

      • esardi says:

        Jason it was Pink Slip, only this time Sarah left Chuck at the station. The people that say Fedak did not like the Sarah character hit a home run in my book. Everybody except the heart of the show was left happy. Just how wonderful is that?

        What a lot of you who “hope” for a happy ending do not realize is she said she believed him “but felt nothing”. Sure she might cry and laugh and ask him to kiss her once but so what. Is she not the same person who said “you really love me” and then mocked him? SarahSam had it right at this point beside Shaw, Fedak did not like the Chuck character either. Who would have left her to go by herself without insisting to go with her?

        That was another call back moment to that Santa Suit episode where Chuck would rather hug his sister instead of racing downstairs to see if his wife was alive. To me it was Fedak at his worse. Ignore the reason we watch the show until the last 3 minutes. Erase away the 5 years we had watching the Sarah character grow. Worst of all eliminate the love and caring they had for each other. One word I would use to describe last night’s goodbye, TRAGIC.

      • atcDave says:

        Esardi I don’t think its fair to disregard the growth we saw DURING the episode. She said see felt nothing at the end of 5.12. At the end of 5.13 she clearly was feeling it again; it was all over Yvonne’s beautifully expressive face. Sarah DID fall in love with Chuck all over again, and the interview I linked earlier in this thread clearly says that is exactly how Schwedak both saw it.

        Now I do agree that ending wasn’t enough, but we don’t need to make it worse than it was. The episode may have been a lot like Pink Slip (bleak with little humor), but the ending was vastly better than that! (on a scale of 1 to 10, a 2 is infinitely better than a 0!)

      • atcDave says:

        BTW, I completely agree that I don’t believe Fedak likes the Sarah character much. My suspicion has long been that he means for the show to be “Chuck” and he resents that many of us prefer Sarah. It’s obvious to me that some of the staff writers prefer Sarah too, which is why we get so many awesome Sarah moments. And of course the charisma and heart Yvonne brings to the character is off the charts. But I don’t believe Fedak shares our affection.

      • esardi says:

        Dave totally agree with you that it was a 2 maybe even a 3. (LOL) I need to see more before I would believe she was feeling it. That was the problem with the entire episode. If they would have given us a lousy last 15 minutes, then maybe I would not be so critical.

        Oh and just because Schwedak says something, means absolutely nothing to me. These show runners have screwed with the Sarah character way too much for my liking. I will admit to you right now that the reason I watch Chuck was Yvonne. She started making a big come back after season 3. Chuck on the other hand kept diminishing as a character. I found him whining, and the Santa Suit and Goodbye episodes I found him severely lacking.

        Just who would just hug his sister and not race down stairs to see if Sarah was all right? How could he possible just say goodbye and not insist on going with her. You are trying to win her back and it is ok with you that she goes by herself to take on the bad guys? Really? Way to go Chuck. I do not know but last night were my worst fears come true. Way to go Chuck. That was not satisfying at all.

  81. lappers84 says:

    I wonder with all this talk of a possible movie (obviously depending on various factors) – If us fans should team up and write a script. That would be funny – I mean some of the stories on FF are pretty damn good.

    • ChuckFanForever says:

      Yeah, if any die-hard Chuck fan happens to inherit/receive 877 million dollars, I’m hoping they will be generous enough to finance a Chuck movie, or perhaps several Chuck movies based on terrific FF stories!

  82. FlamesofDestiny says:

    As someone (the only one?) who was actively hoping for a beach ending, I will freely admit that it missed a beat for me somehow on first watch. But I just watched it in isolation and it is beautifully done. That said, I had more problems with the damage they did to the canon (Sarah was recording how she fell in love with Chuck for the record? Good lord! There goes the 49B.) and the mythology (Did anyone understand the final stuff about the intersect and the keys?) And I was a little put off by how they played the Sarah character in 5.13 because she wasn’t softening fast enough to Chuck (a single tie adjustment wasn’t enough for me).

    However, I will say this about the ending: 1) Sarah was at the beach. She went THERE. She knew it was important without anyone telling her. 2) She wanted to hear “our” story, which is a stunning line from showrunners who have insisted for five years that the show was about Chuck. 3) She asked to be kissed and she was buying into Morgan’s ridiculous meme. When you add in Fedak’s unequivocal statement about what he thinks happened to the characters he created (she gets her memories back, they are happy together), the ending is NOT in doubt. It sure as hell a lot more closure than we got for the end of Colonel.

    You can argue that 5.12 and 5.13 weren’t a good way to end the series. But I honestly think it was the showrunners honest-to-goodness attempt to give the fan base one more look at the show they loved. Almost to a fault, in fact. (Really, a Mexican restaurant in Berlin that looks just like one in LA?) They really tried to do callbacks to the stuff people love most. And to do that, you need a dramatic framework. If it wasn’t successful for you, I get it. But I think it was their best effort to give you what you wanted.

    And more to the point, what ending WOULD have satisfied everyone? There is no ending that would do that. So they went with an episode full of callbacks and some real emotional jeopardy, which is what made the show great in the first two seasons. If they failed for you, I understand. But it is silly to think they were going out of their way to try to hurt you or erase five years of the show. I really do think they were trying to do a thank-you-for-caring-so-much ending.

    • lappers84 says:

      I mentioned the whole Beach thing above – but it was funny how everyone was going their separate ways. And Sarah with nowhere to go needed to think – Morgan tell’s Chuck to lead with his heart and not his head, and low and behold he finds her. Sarah was drawn to the beach without really knowing why. Simple she followed her heart. 5X12 for me will likely be skipped – because I didn’t like it much at all (especially the whole you really love me bit followed by a beating, yeesh talk about buzzkill.) and the end of it with her telling him that she knows she loves him but doesn’t feel it, again felt kind of down and out from that. But it was in 5×13 when things changed – She came back to get Chuck’s help (Pre Chuck Sarah wouldn’t usually need help.) – she slowly began to remember some things, but seemed to generally dismiss (she seemed strangely familiar with Castle for someone with memory loss.) The whole Weinerlicious thing and the Demova virus – and of course the beach. So although my initial reaction was pretty negative I have since warmed to ending a bit more.

    • atcDave says:

      I agree with a lot of that Flames. But in the end, if they tried so hard to please this audience and failed; the conclusion we’re left with is clueless. I think this was a very poorly conceived idea from the very start; so many of us loved this show for Chuck and Sarah together, and no matter how many call backs they come up with, this whole story was guaranteed not to please a huge number of viewers. It might have worked better earlier in the season, it might have worked better even with one more follow up episode showing Chuck and Sarah happy together and building their non-spy life. And while it may be true no ending was ever going to please all of us (anything involving an “ending” was going to leave me at least a little grumpy!), I think just a little more definitive ending, a little more sign Sarah was recovering, a little more sign she wanted to be with Chuck, would have made most of us a lot happier.

      • FlamesofDestiny says:

        dave-I could say that since they used the ending to sell NBC another season, it was the best ending we could have because it got us 13 more. But that is flip. Seriously, I am not sure it would have worked mid-season, but i think it WOULD have worked as a season (not series) ender. It left me wanting to see Sarah get back some of the memories and miss some beats and have Chuck help her along.

        Weirdly, I didn’t want the non-spy life as an ending. As far back as Season 2, in Suburbs, we saw that. And I think it works best as a “fantasy” ending rather than a “real” ending for this couple. Once I realized that it was inevitable that Chuck would get the Intersect again, to me, the “real” ending is Chuck and Sarah running to keep the others safe. But that would have made others unhappy.

        Only one other thing I would say: Fedak admits he’s an action guy, not a romance guy. It is surely why so many who are primarily invested in Chuck and Sarah as a couple dislike his episodes. He’s not Ali Adler.

        I guess the funniest thing about the ending is that, in trying to close the book on the show, Fedak wrote the most open-ended ending of all. Should a movie or TV movie come, there’s nothing serious to reset. Casey’s out there with Verbanski and can be recalled (with Carrie Anne Moss in tow!). Morgan is in echo park, assumedly working the buy more (and maybe keeping Castle a secret from Subway). Jeffster will be hosting a revival of Sprockets. And Chuck and Sarah, well, after a couple of months of getting to know each other again (backpacking through Europe, anyone?), they might be ready for some spying.

        Chuck and Sarah, 2014 anyone?

    • Aerox says:

      That’s because in the interview with Sepinwall, Schwartz and Fedak admitted that Colonel and Ring were made to purposely have the most open ending, as they were confident they were getting a third season. That’s why it’s so ridiculously open ended.

    • Flames: “Sarah was recording how she fell in love with Chuck for the record? Good lord! There goes the 49B.”
      I used a calendar calculator to figure out where the 564 days came from. It was very carefully picked:

      Flames: “Did anyone understand the final stuff about the intersect and the keys?”
      It reminded me of the 47 Rembaldi artifacts on Alias. Treasure hunts are fun, even when they don’t make sense. For Chuck, it was the typical hand-wavy stuff. I’m not saying it makes perfect sense by any stretch. It you assume that Orion could reproduce the technology at will because he was the designer (under the Bartow drive-in or in his laptops), then the keys were a way for regular people to reproduce the technology without as many side-effects. The keys also made the technology more flexible and reprogrammable (like a general purpose PC instead of a specialized computer that only decodes TV signals inside your TV.) The one-more-upload part was silly, but was consistent with how Intersect technology in the show always spoiled after use. Again, it wasn’t explained well, but was consistent with the technobabble we see on Chuck.

      I guess I need to update my Evolution of the Intersect post, when I get tired of rewatching the ending.

    • Non Omnis Moriar says:

      Flames, you said “So they went with an episode full of callbacks and some real emotional jeopardy, which is what made the show great in the first two seasons.”

      I disagree completely with this. If you look at the box of Chuck’s first season it says something like: action packed, slapstick comedy and perfect performances. We certainly had some perfect performances and yes, there was action. But comedy? That’s exactly what was missing here: comedy. And way too much drama for my liking. The sort of drama that was not present during season one and only slightly there during the second season. This emotional jeopardy as you call it did’t make this show great, it’s what destroyed it during the third season. When you have all the ingredients
      mixed perfectly; drama, comedy, action, you have the perfect Chuck episode. Here the balance was lost completely. The heart of this show for me was Chuck and Sarah and their love for each other. That’s why I’m so disappointed because to only get a glimpse of that perfect chemistry at the last possible moment, is an absolute downer for me and an unworthy end to one of tv’s greatest shows ever.

  83. FlamesofDestiny says:


    I don’t know where this stuff is coming from, but someone has posted the ENTIRE Jeffster performance. It’s here:

    The thing you have to love: Watch Sahay as he comes out from behind the orchestra. He does the same wide-armed move he used in “Africa” in Best Friend. Hilarous!

  84. SarahSam says:

    We don’t mention it much, but Vik and Scott were both tremendously awesome this season and deserved a Jeffster curtain call. As for Fedak admittingly being an action guy, you are correct. That’s probably why the story derailed when he no longer had the budget to “blow shit up” and had to tell a coherent story.

  85. lappers84 says:

    LOL. Someone’s already started a twittition for a Chuck movie already.

  86. SarahSam says:

    Quinn was pretty much a pussy himself. He couldn’t even handle the Morgansect for crying out loud. His appearance , story and survival were total plot contrivances so why insult the world’s greatest spy? Totally unnecessary. LOL. Agree with earlier comment that this story would have worked more effectively with Shaw as the bad just as S3 Shaw story could have only worked with Larkin. Of course, they couldn’t dare do the former.

    • lappers84 says:

      When he said in Bo that he was meant to be the first intersect – I thought we could finally have some pay off, but it all went for naught which was a huge shame because it had huge potential for something really good.

  87. FSL says:

    This is starting to remind me of the finale of Star Trek Enterprise with Scott Bakula:
    – It features a character that was supposed to be woven throughout the series but fell short (the Chef was replaced with Riker)
    – There was a sort of amnesia (Trip lost a baby daughter, a relationship with T’Pol, and no one seem to remember or care)
    – Someone was “sacrificed” (Trip)
    – The final scene felt abrupt (they spent the episode fussing about this big speech and the last scene ends right before he was to make that speech)
    – Big reset at the end (“Computer. End Programme.”)
    – The writers said they wanted to give a love letter to the fans.
    I hope no writer gives this type of love letter again =P

    • joe says:

      That’s an interesting analogy, FSL. I never did see the last year of Enterprise, but it was mostly because that “time-travel” idea left way to much wiggle room for them to do anything they wanted, in my estimation, including re-writing anything we had seen. – far more than Chuck, I believe.

      I found I couldn’t care about the characters by the time I stopped watching. Voyager started to do the same thing too, I recall.

  88. I’ve read every authors view on the finale (which I enjoyed a lot) and I believe that the finale shows us a complete summary of the overall character development of Sarah and Chuck as individual people, which ultimately sets up the final scene. Of course my opinion is supported by the incredible acting of Zach and Yvonne and had anybody else been playing these characters my opinion of the finale would be negative to the point of disgust but it’s because of them that my opinion of the finale is the exact opposite.

    We relived 5 years of character development in 2 hours of tv, which is genius, albeit controversial writing. I halve always appreciated this kind writing, it’s easy to write the ending that everyone wants but as somebody who loves writing and prefers to be challenged on an intellectual level, in my view Chuck’s finale succeeded in every way possible and made me appreciate the Charah relationship so much more.

    When all is said and the series ended how it started with trust, Chuck and Sarah are together and were finally able to close the door on the CIA lives and focus on themselves and each other as normal people, the lone pristine Intersect (3.0) is in the head of the only person who would use and be able to handle it properly, that in my book is a happy, hopeful, meaningful ending that, unlike a lot of shows we will never forget.

    This is just me but I’d rather walk away from a series with a deeper perspective on life, with the possibility for more than one that ends without anything to look forward to and had nothing to make me appreciate the journey I took.

    One last thing, this show was always so well acted that I never needed hard physical evidence of when things would be “better” or as with the finale “back to normal” and to be honest “when” shouldn’t really matter, not if you feel Charah (are) is real. This is/was the best tv relationship ever and everything TPTB did, whether viewed as positive or negative by us fans is why Chuck is the greatest show of all time and why we have an addiction to it.

    • atcDave says:

      Well I do disagree about what is “easy to write”. I think these sort of vague artsy endings are so in vogue right now that’s kind of the wussy way out. I think it would have taken far more nerve to deliver a clearly happy ending. And no doubt, even after two years I’m frustrated with how this was handled. Its a long way from the worst ending I’ve ever seen, and I’m content to say things worked out well from here. But I think it was pretty lazy to just stop where they did.
      We have a mantra in my profession to “close the circle”, which basically means see through what you started. And this ending feels to me like not closing the circle.

      Funny thing though. This is a first impressions post, many of these comments are from thee night it aired. We spent many months writing and expanding on this. There’s a lot more sophisticated commentary on this episode from weeks and months later (especially look for some of Thinkling’s work).

  89. Liam Richardson says:

    I think chuck fans have waited too long for the movie and I think a movie is what we all deserve. After watching the season finale I’ve had a nasty taste in my mouth whenever I look back on it and for one long reason… Everyone had a happy ending except Chuck and Sarah. The show went from the two of them talking about houses, children and there own family company to them being back at episode one. For me it was especially disappointing because they had spent 5 years building the relationship between the three spies only to demolish it all in two episodes. For me the perfect ending would be for Sarah to get her memories back and has a family with chuck while Casey, Morgan and possibly Gertrude work with them at their cyber spy business. This for me would be perfect because the viewers had a sense that all of the characters were a very close family of their own and the last two episodes sent all that hard work crashing down to the ground. One more thing I have to say, despite the disappointing ending to season 5 I really enjoyed the chuck series and would have no problem watching it all again (apart from last two episodes).

    • revdr says:

      While I totally agree that a movie (or a mini or anything) is something that we all want, need and deserve; it’s never a guarantee that we’ll see anything soon. Veronica Mars fans waited for 7 years. At least we have more avenues now, with the advent of venues like Netflix, Amazon and others. I continually keep my fingers crossed, and hopefully, we’ll get what we want, sooner than later.

    • atcDave says:

      I agree exactly Liam.

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