Chuck vs The Ring II (3.19)

We’ve made it to the finale of the most controversial season of the show.  This is both high adventure and high comedy of the sort that is signature Chuck.  Things seem to start at rock bottom in the aftermath of Orion’s death and capture of Team B, but they quickly get exciting with an unlikely rescue and strike back.

After the jump, we’ll discuss one of the most popular finales of the entire series.

Ring II brings an exciting and entertaining resolution to the S3.5 arc.  Every poll we’ve done here shows this to be one of the most popular episodes of the show.  So much is so well done here.  Yet I must admit, in keeping with S3 tradition, I still have a few reservations that keep this from being one of my very favorites.  But this time, let’s start with everything that is done well.

The Team B B-team to the rescue!

The episode kicks off with an exciting and amusing rescue of Team B.  Good thing Morgan and Devon swiped Casey’s car!  The team meeting afterwards leads to two important things; first, plan A of all running off together.  I think this is the only plausible way to even consider such a thing.  It leaves no one behind who can be exploited; interrogated, tortured or leveraged.  But I like Ellie pointing out this is no way to live.  Fix the problem, don’t run from it.  So point one is all good.

Point two from the meeting is a little more mixed.  I love Chuck and Ellie finally having their talk about Dad and the spy life.  I wish this had been so much longer and more thorough.  But Chuck is primarily a comedy, and such things will never be explored in much depth.  But the seeds of my greatest discontent with this episode are sown here too.  Chuck is just way too differential towards his sister.  It seems staggeringly childish to me that he would promise to quit his job, as his significant other’s partner, because of his sister’s urging.  I am pleased that in terms of show time, this will be resolved fairly quickly.  Although the implied couple of months is still far too long.  It just does not compute to me that Sarah would be fine with this.  Although, as I’ve observed before, Sarah’s patience and tolerance of all Chuck eccentricities is truly amazing.  They will so often on this show make Sarah look amazing by making Chuck look like a doofus.  The obvious things for Chuck to say in this scene would be “I really can’t promise anything until I talk to Sarah”, “It isn’t your job or place to protect me in my professional life, that is Sarah’s job”, “I have a responsibility to my team and girlfriend”, or “As my family I need you to protect my emotional well being and moral center, but my physical protecting comes from Sarah and Casey”.  I think this sort of making Chuck occasionally look like a fool or a child is the single greatest weakness of the remainder of the show.  Fortunately, it is only an occasional problem, and great things are yet to come in this episode.

The team gets its mission

And those great things are in the form of two very fun sequences.  The first being the exposing of Shaw’s intentions and take down of the Ring.  The take down may be a bit anti-climactic, but Shaw’s downfall is satisfying and fun.  I can’t argue with saying Routh plays this part perfectly; and so does Zac.  He lays a trap, is in perfect control the whole time, and even gloats, just a little.  Very fun.

Gloating like only a nerd can

The second great sequence is the Buy More showdown.  Lots of hero moments to go around here.  Starting with Morgan who actually catches Shaw in the act, and breaks his own thumbs on command, even if a pineapple moment makes his sacrifice unnecessary!  Then Sarah charging in when Chuck cannot.  And of course Chuck himself, rising to the challenge when he seems to be out of action.  The clash of the Intersects is a lot of fun, and set to the worst music video ever made.

The second epic showdown

How could it be any better?  A climax where Chuck reboots himself, overcomes Shaw, and refuses to kill is how.

I guess the rest is all denouement, but it is very satisfying denouement.  Sarah gets to be a hero and a loving girlfriend, Morgan gets to be a funny klutz, the Buy More goes boom, and Jeffster goes on the lam.  Then we get the sort of full gang gathering that has long been one of my favorite parts of the show.  Somehow, the friendships and affection always feel real with everyone together, and Ring II is no exception.  The episode ends with a nice hook into next season.

The Buy More sub-plot was mildly amusing, but the good news is its nicely tied into the “A” plot in the end.

I suppose I should mention the flashback story line in this episode.  There was a flashback story line in this episode.

Over all I think this is a very good episode.  I am less enthused with it as a possible finale, fortunately we all knew even when it first ran that we had another season to look forward to.  But I think Chuck quitting the CIA at Ellie’s urging and the possibility of keeping secrets from Sarah irked me just enough that I was never completely at peace with Ring II.  Of course my concerns and discontent never rose to the levels they did during the misery arc, or even during the long season off before that season.  But so much of the action, comedy and story were were wonderful here. This is easily one of the top five finales of the series (!) and a solid episode.

This Tuesday night I should have another “Alternatives” post up, not only for the end of S3, but for a look at the S3/S4 break period too.

~ Dave

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65 Responses to Chuck vs The Ring II (3.19)

  1. resaw says:

    What? No Joe, no Ernie, not even Faith? Well, irrespective of this being a solo commentary, thank you once again, Dave, for taking the time to make your observations and share them with your readership.

    I guess I’m a little more enamoured with the flashbacks than you are. It explains Ellie’s tenacious desire to protect Chuck, even to the point of extracting that promise from Chuck that he would quit the spy life without even bothering to consult Sarah. More importantly, the flashback presents us with the knowledge, until this episode, something of which we were unaware, that Stephen B. had been working on a prototype of the Intersect back in the day and that Chuck had accidentally downloaded it, apparently with no ill effects. And then, of course, we get the flashback from the previous episode, where Stephen’s dying words are to tell Chuck that he is special.. Although we didn’t know the full context of that statement, it apparently included his unique ability to handle the Intersect, even though we learned in this episode how important the governor was to his ongoing health with the current version of the Intersect. That the Intersect would ultimately find Chuck was apparently in Chuck’s destiny.

    Ellie talks Team B. out of going underground, but her initial suggestion is that they go to the police. I give her only half-points because of this. She clearly doesn’t really know what’s going on at this stage. The fact that Stephen B. was able to go underground for years also suggests that it was a do-able option. I could well imagine that Chuck, Sarah and Casey would be the leaders in trying to counteract the coup that Shaw was mounting agains the CIA and NSA, but ultimately it would probably have not been a good choice as Shaw would have been able to entrench the Ring into the US security apparatus and make things even more difficult for Team B to resolve. On the other hand, having Team B act as a covert counterinsurgency unit would have been quite fascinating.

    I too am a bit disappointed that Chuck so easily acquiesced to Ellie’s demand that he quit spying. Unfortunately, it led to further lying on Chuck’s part in season 4. There was a very strong emphasis placed on family above all else in this episode, however, so in that context, it would have been almost impossible for Chuck to resist Ellie. And yet, Chuck and Sarah are living together. They may be just boyfriend and girlfriend at this stage, but Sarah’s about as close to being a member of the Bartowski family as she can get, short of being engaged/married to Chuck, and he shouldn’t have just made that decision without at least talking about it with Sarah. And, does the late Stephen B’s revelation to Chuck about his freelance spy career and posthumous recruitment of Chuck to carry on the legacy constitute a repudiation of his promise to Ellie, as even without next season’s intervention by Beckman, Chuck is basically being told by his father to become a freelance spy? Or, because it’s his father making the request, and the ultimate goal is to find Mary B., does this reaffirm the importance of family?

    Does it not strike you as strange that almost immediately after taking down the Ring, Morgan is back at the Buy More in his uniform? Granted, he needed to be there in order to witness Shaw planting the bomb, but it struck me as a bit of contrivance. Oh, and I have never liked Bon Jovi, so this was not a song that particularly looking for, but I have grown to appreciate Band of Horses, whose songs were prominent here.

    Clunker line of the episode: “Please stop it, Shaw,” uttered by Sarah as she watches Shaw pounding on Chuck. “Please”? It just seems like something Sarah would not say in this context.

    I loved this episode of course. I don’t know if I want to choose between 3.18 and 3.19 because they aired seamlessly in the original broadcast, but I think that overall, this one falls in just behind 3.18.

    Thanks for your thoughtful and thought-provoking review, Dave.

    • atcDave says:

      I do agree this is a very good episode, and I am sorry if my complaints detracted from that.
      I did like the information gained about the origins of the Intersect. That part was interesting. But I remain pretty grumpy about Ellie’s role on it. Like she doesn’t understand that her responsibilities as a 12 year old might be different than as a 31 year old. It sounds like we’re pretty much in accord on the appropriateness of Chuck’s decision, but it had a slightly bigger impact on my enjoyment of the episode.
      Although Morgan’s return to work didn’t really bother me. Time to check back in on real life…
      But yeah, Sarah was a little passive in the end. I would have preferred seeing a little more fire from her (and not chained up!)

  2. atcDave says:

    I should mention, Joe is without Internet service right now and was unable to pitch in. Hopefully we’ll hear from him in a few days!

  3. mr2686 says:

    Great episode. The one thing I’d like to explore, and I’m curious as to what others think, is the flashback of Chuck as a young boy downloading his Dad’s prototype intersect. My main question is…what was in that original intersect? I’m thinking that it obviously wasn’t government secrets, so it probably was general knowledge or higher learning type material, and if so, is that why Chuck is as smart as he is? If so, that might explain why his knowledge level is way above his maturity level.

    • atcDave says:

      I guess I just figured it was some sort of space holder; no real meaningful data, just the basic operating system. But then its so old, I’m not sure it has any meaningful connection to the 2.0 at all (well, nothing beyond historic interest).

      • authorguy says:

        My take on it is that it’s because of the first download at a young age that Chuck alone was able to handle the full Intersect later on. If it also enhanced his analytical ability it would explain him always getting into trouble, knowing more than he can understand.
        I despised the capitulation to Ellie, another case of manipulation by the showrunners to generate angst. As if Beckman would let him just quit with the 2.0 still active (not that she ultimately did)! Certainly the second he found out Ellie was pregnant the whole ‘her only family’ argument went out the window, and I’m glad Devon never heard it.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah it makes me angry too Marc. Its one of those dumb little things that bothers me enough to keep this episode from being one of my very favorites. I seem to be very sensitive anything that makes Chuck look stupid!

      • authorguy says:

        Plus it’s very selfish of Ellie. She dismisses her own husband as family, while requiring her own brother, who (taking the ending as given) just saved the US as she knew it, to stop doing that. When push came to shove, she chose her own happiness over his or Sarah’s.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah, and it was a stupid controlling sort of happiness. It amazes me that there would be any scenario where a person could think protecting someone in this way could be their right or responsibility. I mean seriously, at Chuck’s age, I wouldn’t have even accepted this sort of interference from my parents.

  4. BillAtWork says:

    I have mixed feelings about this episode. It sort of depends on how you judge such things. If it was the only Chuck episode you ever saw, you’d have to say it was very good. It had some dramatic moments. good action, nice romance, and a ‘good overcomes evil’ ending.

    But if you judge it as part of a three year story, IMO it falls short.

    I have a serious problem with finding out that Chuck was exposed to the intersect as a child. Because it directly contradicts Orion’s heartfelt speech in dream job “But I never thought that it would find you.”

    I also don’t get why the final confrontation was Shaw vs Chuck. Shaw’s issue was with Sarah. I mean I do get it, it was the Hero’s Journey thing. But that wasn’t set up properly by the rest of the story.

    I think I would have enjoyed Sarah kicking his ass more than Chuck anyway.

    • atcDave says:

      Apparently Shaw is more upset about getting shot than he was about who killed his wife! But it is funny, how he now makes Sarah more of a secondary target.
      No doubt, I would have preferred seeing Sarah in on the final smack down too, but that will be a recurring complaint of mine.

      • authorguy says:

        She did hit him with the pipe!

      • atcDave says:

        Okay, she was “barely” involved instead of “uninvolved!”

      • authorguy says:

        Only just enough to pull her out of the ‘prize’ category and make her an active participant. Having her take out Shaw wouldn’t have meant anything, though. The issue was Chuck’s ability to fight, and not kill, having already killed once. For her the issue was putting up with the pain and breaking the pipe, freeing herself from basically captivity to the spy world and commiting to the Chuck-world, to save Chuck. Having a ‘Sarah hulk-out’ scene would have been good.

      • atcDave says:

        The easy fix for that is if Shaw isn’t alone. Chuck can take on Shaw while Sarah battles two or three big hoodlums. Now THAT would have been more exciting to me.

      • BillAtWork says:

        I totally get why it was Chuck vs Shaw. They wanted to show Chuck as the hero, finally grown to the point where he can defeat his mentor on his own. Okay, that’s the story they wanted to tell. It’s not the story I would have told. But I have no beef. My only complaint is that they didn’t set it up properly. We’re simply expected to buy that Shaw forgot about wanting revenge against Sarah and now hates Chuck with no prior setup.

    • authorguy says:

      True, he does sort of give up his vendetta against the killer of his wife rather easily, but he is crazy, and Chuck did disrupt his plans. Not to mention that he could be pulling the old ‘you stole my love from me, so I’ll steal yours from you’ ploy on Sarah. But they should have said so.
      I would ignore the other stuff as a pretty standard retcon problem, like they always had on this show. Each season extends the world-building, and they didn’t have any of that infrastructure in place. That they failed to explain it any better than they failed to explain everything else they did in S3 doesn’t bother me.

      • BillAtWork says:

        But in Santa Suit, he’s back to wanting to destroy Sarah. He spent a lot of time talking about the hole that she left in his heart.

        In Ring II, she was helpless. Shaw could have killed her easily.

        This is exactly why Chuck doesn’t rewatch well. IMO, it’s also why they were never able to get a syndacation deal. All of the episodes (most anyway) are good, have strong powerful scenes. But when you try and make sense of the story they’re trying to tell, it makes your head hurt. Incoherant is being generous.

      • authorguy says:

        I know. I had originally planned a bit of Orion backstory for the last chapter of my S3 rewrite, but I had so much trouble reconciling the various bits of history that I decided to drop it. Maybe if I was to do a project to reconcile all that stuff I could make it work, but it would be more of a project than it should be.

      • You know, the Chuck/Shaw angle makes a lot more sense after Santa Claus. Shaw sees killing Chuck as a kind of poetic justice for Sarah, which makes sense. And he wants to prove he can beat Chuck on even footing for his own ego.

      • authorguy says:

        That’s a factor I’d forgotten, that in their second meeting Shaw had the Intersect, which may also account for his sudden ranking Chuck higher than Sarah in the revenge game. I suppose they should have explained the change, but it’s just as much fun trying to figure it out.

  5. uplink2 says:

    Sorry for being away for a while but vacation at the lake comes first lol. So I rewatched both this episode and Subway last night and as I agree this is really a two-part episode I decided to post my comments on both here.

    First of all Subway was always my second favorite episode of season 3 surprisingly in part because it is the only decent performance Routh gives in the role of Shaw. There was actually something meaningful in his normally wooden and emotionless acting. The look in the subway car actually is menacing. It is probably the only time he ever nailed a scene. Overall his performance is about a 6 in these two episodes for me but compared to his normal 1s and 2s it is remarkable improvement. I have never agreed with those that think he was a great villain. Certainly not compared to Dalton and Chase. But he is adequate and when you consider the rest of his time on the show he was pathetic to mediocre I guess people’s perception gets distorted. That look and the scene with Sarah are his two best moments on the series IMO.

    But what made this episode work for me was there was an element of real consequences to everything going on here. There was drama, some small comedy and finally, finally Ellie plays an important role in the spy story. However, I do have the same issues with Chuck abandoning Sarah “to keep her safe.” Really? Didn’t the last time they saw him Shaw try to murder her? Wasn’t that the entire basis for Shaw’s turning rogue and joining the Ring? Yet Chuck abandons her to Shaw’s clutches to “keep her safe”? It’s like Sarah never even killed Eve and Shaw was no threat to her, only Chuck. So he runs and leaves but I would contend he doesn’t change his mind until AFTER Morgan calls him and says Casey and Sarah have been captured. He left her “to keep her safe” and she was “safe” for all of about 5 minutes when Shaw baited “Sam”. ( sorry I threw up in my mouth). The use of that name was effective there but did they really throw away the payoff of Sarah’s name just for that brief mention? Incredibly unbalanced risk vs. reward.

    Also on the topic of Shaw killing Orion and stakes. Really? I know they wanted to have stakes mean something but to have him murdered by the character they threw out the stakes to resurrect seems just blatantly another example of what came before didn’t matter if it served the moment they wanted.

    I do love the scene with Sarah and Casey in the cell but once again I think Routh’s performance leading up to that moment is back to being weak. He simply doesn’t know how to pull off a moment where his plan has succeeded and he is in complete control of the situation. The cafe scene and this one really are incredibly flat. Especially in light of his decent performance in his scene baiting Sarah.

    Even with all of these reservations I do still think this is a good episode especially for season 3 with so many very weak and awful ones. It isn’t top 10 but probably top 25 for me.

    Now a bit more on to Ring II. I’m not a big fan of the confrontation with Chuck in Room 752 as to me it wasn’t a case of showing how great Chuck was as much as they showed us once again how pathetic a spy Shaw was. Really he alerts all the Elders to leave all by the same exit with just two guards? Plus he confesses everything to Chuck? I mean come on. How did that incompetent spy have all of the intelligence agencies so duped that he was about to take over virtually everything? I think the other part that bothers me about that scene is how incredibly over the top the pop culture reference of Shaw diving onto the Flag as he is “flying” for his escape. The blatant reference to Superman made me want to just barf. I mean I know they still were wedded to their stunt casting failure at this point but for me who hated it so much it will always be a huge diminishing of this otherwise good episode.

    I also agree with Bill in that the 180 degree change in who Shaw wanted to kill really doesn’t work. Shaw said just 6 episodes before that he didn’t blame Chuck and didn’t tell the Ring anything about him and that it was killing Sarah that would make the CIA pay for what they did to him. All of that is out the window now and Eve is never mentioned at all. Now its about killing Chuck and taking over. So all of his motives have now changed but because it fits the “heroes journey” once again none of that matters here.

    I also agree that Chuck quitting because of Ellie asking without ever mentioning Sarah once was bothersome. Plus what I noticed once again last night is how incredibly dismissive Ellie was of Sarah when she drove off. She was insulting and Chuck never once came to Sarah’s defense in any of that scene. It seems when faced with a choice of Ellie or Sarah, he chose Ellie.

    But here in lies the problem that Bill pointed out. Beginning with season 3, rewatching this show and trying to understand what they were trying to do really makes you scratch your head with the disregard for the shows mythology that begins there. For the most part season 1 and 2 are fairly consistent and there is an overarching mythology that is thrown out the window many times from season 3 on. They didn’t sweat details and as I know that is how Ernie has said he has chosen to rewatch by not concerning himself with them either, it makes it difficult for those that can’t. But what I also see is that it seems Fedak had a great sense of big things he tried to set up going into the following seasons but when it came to executing them he tends to really miss the mark. The 2.0, Shaw/Bryce, Mary, the ” conspiracy” all are great ideas on paper but the execution and delivery on those ideas was weak many times and in some cases (Shaw/OLIs) failed completely. This episode is a great example of that. I was really excited about the “search for mom” during the summer of 2010 but although season 4 is my favorite, Mary isn’t the reason at all.

    Overall I’d say this falls behind Subway for me mainly because I hated that flag scene so much, But these 2 together are 2 and 3 for me from that season. Now true most of my bottom 15 bcomes from season 3 so I guess the bar wasn’t set that high lol.

    • authorguy says:

      “I also agree with Bill in that the 180 degree change in who Shaw wanted to kill really doesn’t work. Shaw said just 6 episodes before that he didn’t blame Chuck and didn’t tell the Ring anything about him and that it was killing Sarah that would make the CIA pay for what they did to him. All of that is out the window now and Eve is never mentioned at all. Now its about killing Chuck and taking over. So all of his motives have now changed but because it fits the “heroes journey” once again none of that matters here.”

      Getting shot by Chuck, outed by Chuck, and his plot foiled by Chuck in between parts A and B probably changed Shaw’s perspective.

    • BillAtWork says:

      Here’s the deal. To watch a show about someone who downloads all of the government’s secrets into his head by reading an email requires you to be willing to suspend a fair amount of disbelief. I get that.

      And I’m willing to suspend my fair share of disbelief.

      It doesn’t bother me that we’ve never seen Sarah in the same outfit twice in 4 years and then they try to tell us that she lives out of a single suitcase.

      It doesn’t bother me that Sarah is the only worker in a fast food yogurt shop yet can leave anytime she wants and be gone for days.

      It doesn’t bother me that they can fly to Russia and back 23 times in a single day.

      Look, storytelling requires some discipline. You have to tell a story that builds on the previous facts. And it’s okay to put in twists and fool the viewer into thinking something happened that didn’t. That’s my favorite part of writing. But you can’t directly contradict the things you’ve previously said… at least not without explaining why it isn’t really a contradiction.

      You have to establish the characters personalities, and yes, they can be nuanced. But you can’t have a character go 180 degrees away from the personality that you’ve established… at least not without explaining why.

      That’s my problem with the show.

      They make zero effort to make the scenes consistent with the past history they’ve already shown us. The 3 different versions of Sarah getting her ‘Chuck’ assignment is a classic example. All three couldn’t have happened. Different facts are mutually exclusive. Chuck’s flashback as a child where he downloaded the intersect directly contradicts one of the most powerful moments in Dream Job.

      They throw their established characters under the bus for the benefit of a single scene. Telling Daniel Shaw her real name is the last… the very, very, very last thing that the Agent Walker we had known for 3 years would have done. Chuck pushing his ticket back in Sarah’s face in Prague is the last thing that the character we had known would have done. If they wanted to have those moments, they needed to set them up a hell of a lot better than they did.

      But my biggest problem is that they put in all of these ‘game changer’ scenes, only to walk them back (that’s being generous, they are mostly simply ignored). Sarah throwing her gun on the bed in American Hero was game changing. I pumped my fist when it happened. And that’s exactly what they were going for. But it had zero… and I mean zero, long term story impact. It wasn’t a game changer at all. Sarah’s retirement lasted 5 seconds. They cheated that fist pump out of me. Same issue with the “It is real” from Colonel. They cheated me out of a fist pump.

      So Chuck is an odd show for me. I could watch the episodes and mostly enjoy them. I even got several ‘fist pump’ moments. But trying to make sense of the mythology or overall story makes my head hurt. And episodes like this one that focus on mythology more are particularly frustrating.

      • Dave says:

        Bill

        Snuck that in while I was typing. I agree with everything you said except for the three contradictory Sarah-meets-Chuck stories. I can easily explain that. It would have been nice if TPTB had given us 1 piece of info. All we need is for there to be elapsed time say 24-36 hours between the “trust me” scene on the beach and Sarah shopping for CDs in Buy More. That could have very well happened.

        Missed opportunities and epic points hanging in the wind though, you’re right on the money. And most of yours are also mine. “This is real” has to be the biggest sell out of them all.

      • BillAtWork says:

        Dave,

        Not to harp on a minor point. But in the pilot, Sarah was clearly trying to fix her dead ex-partner’s treasonous F-up. She had no idea of becomming his handler until later when they realized that he indeed was now the intersect. In Baby, Graham gave her the assignment of being his handler in Washington, well before they knew there was anything to handle.

        I call that mutually exclusive versions of the same core event.

      • Dave says:

        Bill

        Again, water under the bridge, but there is a simple timeline that works.

        The events of Baby occur immediately prior to Pilot. I mean Sarah goes from Budapest to Burbank. In fact, Sarah leaves her Mom’s house headed for Burbank Buy More. In the “trust me” scene Sarah is speaking generically of “us” working with/watching over Chuck, not suspecting she’ll be the handler. She flies to DC immediately after the beach to report and Graham assigns her as Chuck’s handler, she smirks because she still thinks this will be a piece of cake having met Chuck already. She flies back to Burbank and on Monday morning (say the date happened Friday-Saturday, assuming the episodes end on air date) she’s picking up some CDs as Casey begins his first day on his cover job. That works for me, but I had to work it out myself.

        There were so many other major contradictions (Casey USAF-USMC for example) that at least this one I could reason around. It would have helped to have that one piece of extra info so we wouldn’t have to play “CSI: Chuck” to understand things.

      • uplink2 says:

        We will get to Baby later but I agree with Bill. Also remember in the pilot Graham told Sarah to kill Chuck if he ran. There is no mention of handling anyone until Sarah talks to Graham after the bomb diffusing. That is when she is notified she is his handler.

        I was glad to see Graham in Baby but the proper way to end that scene would have been for him to had her a folder with Bryce’s picture on it. The scene completely ignores Bryce both as her partner and as the one who sent the email to Chuck. My feeling is part of the reason for that was they couldn’t use Bomer’s likeness anymore so they just reconnected him out of existence. I mean why would Sarah have needed a handler if she had a partner in Bryce prior to being sent to Burbank?

      • BillAtWork says:

        Of course. In the pilot, Sarah felt responsible for Bryce’s actions and wanted to fix it.

        In Baby, no mention of Bryce. The timeline simply doesn’t work.

      • Dave says:

        Uplink

        Exactly! you make my point. Remember Sarah is given Chuck’s file AFTER the beach scene in the Pilot and BEFORE Chuck sees Sarah buying CDs in the final scene of the Pilot. After all, they can fly to Russia and back like 23 times in one day, so flying to DC and back between Saturday and Monday morning seems doable to me.

      • Dave says:

        Oh, Uplink.

        In my scenario Sarah and Bryce are partners. remember Ryker specifically requests Sarah for the mission, that’s why Ryker is Sarah’s handler and Sarah is understandably upset with handlers. So, Sarah gets pulled for Ryker’s mission and Bryce uses that opportunity to go rogue and send the Intersect to Chuck.

        Graham FRAGOs Sarah from Budapest to Burbank to fix Bryce’s mess and voila’ you have it work out.

      • uplink2 says:

        In my mind when the Pilot was written they had absolutely no idea about the Baby storyline. That was entirely figured out between season 4 and 5 as a way to bring in Sarah’s mom finally. It didn’t matter how it impacted prior canon.

        Bill, you mentioned in the other thread while I was on vacation about characters and their back story etc being written in advance as part of the overall outline. I agree with that point and wanted to mention something I did a while back that supports that idea.

        Good friends of ours have an aunt that is an extremely well known 3 name author that I’m sure 95% of the readers here have at least heard of her. We ahve met her a few times at family weddings etc. My wife who is a fan of her work once asked her how she started a book and the process of developing the story. She answered that the first thing she did was write out an outline of each of the characters, their traits, their history, their personality etc and she wold reference that throughout the writing process. So if she was writing Chuck, his character, Mary, Stephen, Ellie, Sarah, Jack, Emma and the Intersect would all have been set up in advance and referred to. You wouldn’t have seen the changes in canon about Chuck and the Intersect in his childhood retconning Dream Job or the PSP device for that matter. Fedak even admitted he didn’t know Shaw was behind the conspiracy till after season 4 ended. So he wrote a “Cliffhanger” without any idea who was behind it when it aired. It’s truly bizarre and so much for a five year plan.

      • authorguy says:

        Unfortunately TV series are written by committee, and without a bible of some kind they can easily go off the rails. Even if they had a plan for it all, the requirements of the business end could drive them from it. Fortunately I didn’t have anyone telling me I had to have the Buy More, otherwise my story wouldn’t have worked at all. I can pretty much guarantee you I would have come up with something better than Shaw as the mastermind in S5, though. I’m pretty sure they settled on him simply from a lack of time to develop another more credible threat.

      • Dave says:

        Uplink

        These guys clearly had no “book” on each character, or if they did they obviously mislaid the “Sarah Book” for Season 3.

        They also were never too focused on continuity. The whole Pilot-Baby thing could have been fixed by dressing Sarah just like she was when she first went into the Buy More when she was dropping off the baby at her mothers. Or One extra line of dialogue in the Graham scene to indicate the timeline (like “Now get back to Burbank” from Graham at the end).

        TPTB were never very interested in helping us out with connecting the dots. They seemed to assume we would. Even I can only contort my mind so many ways after that TPTB need to help out.

      • uplink2 says:

        Mark, in one word, here’s my problem with that idea, Quinn. Quinn was the final big bad that drove the series finale. He was developed over only 4 episodes. To me he is a far far better mastermind “behind everything, Fulcrum, the Ring, Shaw.” He was developed as having been involved with the Intersect since before Bryce Larkin stole it. He could have known Orion and felt betrayed by him. All of his story works better than Shaw being behind the conspiracy as it doesn’t have any of the ginormous plot holes the Shaw angle does. I think they may have even toyed with that idea but decided it against it. The reason Shaw was behind the conspiracy was simply because Fedak wanted to bring him back and he could loosely justify it by him blackmailing Decker. It’s no deeper than that. For some reason Fedak loves Shaw. He wanted a returning villain and the good ones were either dead like Roarke, though that never stopped them unless it was Orion, or had been “rehabilitated” like Volkoff. So he gets the return of his beloved Shaw whether the story makes sense or not.

      • BillAtWork says:

        Yeah, Uplink. I agree with that. Clearly telling a consistent story was not high on Fedak’s priorities. What annoys me (annoy might be a bit harsh) is those people who claim that there is a consistent story in there someplace. For the last 3 seasons, there clearly isn’t. I’m not really sure that’s even a criticism. It was his show. And if he wanted to pay homage to his youth with a creepy Bo Derick episode instead of using that time to show Sarah falling for Chuck again, well that’s his decision to make.

        But it’s also why (IMO) you never hear his name being mentioned concerning a Chuck movie.

    • Dave says:

      Uplink

      Re: your specific comments.

      Shaw as an inept spy didn’t bother me too much, I accepted that long ago. Remember, I quit trying to figure out what they were trying to do and concentrated on what actually appeared in an episode.

      I wholeheartedly agree with the set up epic things to only walk away from them or blowing them completely in execution. In addition, I would say they through too many things out there to properly service them. They should have done fewer BIG themes, just should have done them better.

      I’d love to support your position on the flag thing, but I never saw Superman Returns so it was merely bafflingly insulting to me ( professional soldier here).

      • uplink2 says:

        Actually the scene I’m referencing is from I think Superman II when Chris Reeve flies with the flag that he replaces on the Capital Building. It was a bit of a campy iconic moment in what I think was the best Superman movie and the reference to it was so over the top for me it really bothered me. Besides any comparison between Routh and Reeve beyond just their resemblance just really irks me .

      • Dave says:

        Can’t believe the diction error, meant “threw too many” not “through”.

      • Dave says:

        Uplink

        OK, I assumed you were referring to Routh’s Superman. To me it just defaced the National Colors.

      • uplink2 says:

        No, I’ve seen Superman Returns once and it was so boring and unmemorable I can’t remember a single scene but some balcony scene. It’s not only Routh that was boring, Kate Bosworth was pretty bad as well. Though I love Kevin Spacey, it is not a movie I’d want on my resume either if I was him.

      • Aw man. The Bo Derek episode is the funniest of the series. Chuck was always ahead of its time in the meta-humor category (30 rock and Community both advanced it further).

        Chuck made so many veiled references to the guest stars’ previous roles in other episodes; for them to leap over the fourth wall and outright acknowledge Bo Derek’s (and Stan Lee’s) history was a perfect culmination of the 5 years of self-aware quirkiness. Don’t trust Bo Derek!

    • uplink2 says:

      While I see your point Mark, I’m with Bill on this. You have to set that up and explain why if you are going to tell that story. You can’t just leave it to the audience to deduce the 180 degree flip. In many ways all you need to do to see the validity of that point is look at the reaction to the scenes Bill mentions. The name reveal is probably the single most hated moment ever in the series by a wide margin and its not just because we were denied a payoff we had been told to invest in so heavily. A great deal of it is it completely makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Even a broken Agent Walker would never reveal her real name to anyone under any circumstances and ce3rtainly not to her boss after just a few weeks. It was done simply to generate fake angst and for “Sarah to hurt Chuck” as I was told Schwartz and Fedak wanted. Sarah’s character was sacrificed for plot.

      Possibly the second most hated moment on the series was Chuck’s betrayal and dismissal of Sarah in Prague. It is so out of character it screams contrivance and though they explained his decision to become a spy they never once explained why he treated her like yesterday’s garbage and showed absolutely no concern whatsoever for her feelings. In this case Chuck’s character was sacrificed for plot. The reaction to these moments being so negative is directly related to them ignoring the story they had been telling all along. So if you are going to do that you have to have them make some sense at some point down the road and it never did at any point.

      I agree that the idea of Chuck shooting him would have an impact but why not mention it? Why make no effort whatsoever to tie it in with prior canon? Plus Chuck left Sarah unprotected from the man that we understood wanted to murder her. Why didn’t Chuck ask her to come with them? Why did he have to leave her to protect her? It’s about creating a dramatic moment without regard to story logic.

      I do have to admit that much of my issues with these two episodes also are influence by my bitter hatred, and not hatred in a good way, for the Shaw character as a whole and the weak performance by the stunt casting actor playing him. Though he is at his best in these two, it isn’t saying that much when I say that.

      • atcDave says:

        I’m somewhere in between on a lot of this. Simple errors of fact don’t bother me a lot (like the “Baby” situation), and it doesn’t bother me at all if it’s of trivial consequence. (When Sarah knew she would be a handler and not just an AIC? I’m, sorry, but I don’t particularly care.). I’ve seen so many shows over the years that did as bad or worse.
        But when they do things that make the characters look bad, stupid, foolish or just oddly out of character I get very cranky. And it can be any of those. So Chuck running off with his dad is arguably “in character”, but it’s so idiotic I don’t care. It undermines a hero I once related to. Over the course of S3 he did several things that I not only couldn’t relate to, but found contemptible. To me, those are troubling story telling decisions. Ditto for Sarah.

        It is interesting to me that they made more serious gaffs with Chuck once they got past the misery arc than they did with Sarah. Like continuing the lying thing too long, the running away thing, and occasional exaggerated buffoonish behavior even into S5.

  6. Dave says:

    Everyone has valid points, but I did not feel they were bad enough to put these episodes in the dud pile. In fact for me these 2 episodes are some of the best finale/almost finale episodes in the whole series IMO.

    I gave Chuck a pass on going on the run, giving him credit for a glitchy intersect and almost constant pressure from his Dad. I was happy to see as soon as he gets his “Governor” he comes to his senses and heads back to rescue everyone.

    As far as Shaw’s priorities on who to kill, I’m with authorguy, after Chuck shot him and foiled his dastardly plan I’m sure he moved from P2 to P1 for Shaw.

    The only measureable weakness for me is how passive/submissive Sarah seems to be. It reached it’s zenith when Shaw was able to take her so easily in the Buy More. Sure, there were civilians about, but come on, she’s Sarah Walker for crying out loud. The Sarah Walker from Budapest wouldn’t have went down like that.

    And I think that it is totally in character for Shaw to “stake out” Sarah as bait for Chuck fully intending to get to her as soon as he kills Chuck in the most painful way possible. Ooops!

    While 6 of my 10 duds came from S3, these were not among them.

  7. joe says:

    Hi, all. I apologize for my absence, and really, it’s going to continue for a bit. Essentially, Mrs. Joe’s CPU got fried, and I cannibalized my desktop (with a hard drive transplant) to give her a PC while I tried (so far unsuccessfully) to resurrect the dead machine. I think I’m in the market for a new motherboard and CPU, or maybe I’ll finally join the 21st century and buy a laptop that she can hook up to the large monitor AND use downstairs while I build a frankenstein computer out of the surviving parts.

    Does that sound like Stephen, or what?

    So I’m not sure what the time-table will be, but I’ll try to rejoin the conversation soon.

    As for this episode, I haven’t had a chance to rewatch it yet. I will. But the fight scene is burned into my brain. If I had had a moment to think on it, I suspect I would find a parallel between the fight between Chuck and Shaw and the mock battle between Chuck and Bryce that we saw in Alma Mater, deep in the library stacks. This is Chuck-the-geek’s fantasy become real, with everything on the line, and boy does it strike a chord with me. Just as Sarah has been transformed this past season, so has Chuck.

    It looks to me like several of you are wondering if that was a fair thing to do to characters we like so much – make them change like that. My vote is yes, if only because evolving characters keep me interested. I refer you to Jean Valjean (and don’t ya just hate references like that? 😉 )

    • atcDave says:

      You know Joe I’m a huge Jean Valjean fan, certainly one of the great heroic characters of western/Christian literature.
      But I see a huge difference between him and some of the change we’ve seen on Chuck. Some of it strikes me more as change for the sake of driving/manipulating a story, while some of it strikes me as legitimate growth. Obviously I really like the way all the major characters on Chuck grew significantly over the course of five seasons. But it will always bother me the number of things we saw that seemed far more like out of character moments just to achieve a moment or result. Of course,the worst of that is now in the past. So overall, I think we’re now heading good places. But Chuck, with his secrets and lies, has one last hurdle to overcome before he will escape the dark version of him we saw for most of this season.

    • BillAtWork says:

      But Joe,

      Is the question if characters should evolve? Because if it is, then who would say no? That would be boring.

      IMO, the question is more – is the evolution set up and believeable? And I would say in several cases, the evolution was neither, or even consistent.

      You could have Chuck decide that he was called to be a spy more than he wanted to be with Sarah. I have no problem with that. Except they had just spent 2 whole seasons with his defining characteristic being that he pined for Sarah. Suddenly just when she agrees to be with him, he’s pushing his ticket back in her face. No setup, no hint it was going to happen. Moreover, in that very same episode, he was back pining for Sarah. And just when she appeared to be warming back up to him, he again decides that being a spy is more important than Sarah in First Class. In fact, he was so callous that it’s hard to believe thier relationship survivied. Then two episodes later, he’s back to pining. That’s not character growth. That’s schizophrenic. Or more accurattely, it’s using the characters to meet the artifical needs of an episode without regard to telling a believeable story.

      • uplink2 says:

        And Bill that’s the point of many people’s issues with S3 and S4. It wasn’t that we didn’t want growth or evolving characters it was how that evolution was set up and executed that failed. The scene in Three Words was great but it didn’t explain the behavior in question. It explained the choice not the behavior and it was the behavior that was the problem and demonstrative of the contrivance. Sacrificing character for plot. His disgusting mistreatment of Sarah wasn’t needed to explain the choice he made, it was required to generate another round of OLI’s and any reasonable explanation of his behavior eliminates the possibility of the OLI’s so they simply ignore the explanation. And the failure of the OLI’s seriously damages the characters and the necessary spy story they were trying to tell. The name reveal as well was totally unimaginable behavior and never was explained so the audience soundly rejected it. Do whatever you want with the characters but it better be set up properly or explained later on.

      • BillAtWork says:

        Exactly. If Chuck had given the Three Words speech to Sarah in Prague, that might have been believable… But it wouldn’t have led to PLIs. And since that was the required outcome. And that’s why it felt artificial… because it was.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree 100% with that. If Chuck had adequately explained himself, Sarah still might have been concerned (some legitimate relationship drama), but it wouldn’t have lead to the cheap PLI story that dominated the season.

  8. Bill says:

    Thanks, all, for another excellent discussion. Very enjoyable reading.

    I re-watched these last two episodes back-to-back, since that’s how they originally aired.

    Considering them on their own terms, without reference to the series as a whole, I think they are entertaining episodes with a good mix of humor, drama, and romance. There are a number of really nice moments during both episodes where some of the show’s best ideals (namely team, family, and heroism) are well-realized on screen.

    However, considering them with reference to the series as a whole tends to diminish them in my opinion. I think Bill@Work and Uplink have highlighted some of the storytelling inconsistencies that plagued the show in S3 and beyond. Two things in particular bug me about what transpires in Ring II:

    1) I hate the fact that the script has Chuck PROMISE to leave the spy life after completing this mission. Why why why did they do write that? Didn’t Tooth teach them anything?
    2) Orion’s basement is the latest example of an ALLEGED gamechanger that is later revealed as utterly ephemeral. Why bother with the set-up if you’re not going to use it in any meaningful way?

  9. You guys are killing me. Season 4 already? I feel like Chuck’s about to end all over again! 😦

  10. Lots of Chuck (the character) hate over these past few episodes. I’m usually more pro-Chuck than most, but never moreso than here. We forget, Ellie’s not just his older sister; she raised Chuck in his formative years. She’s almost as much his mother as his sister. They both just watched his father get shot in cold blood, and Chuck is only alive because Morgan accidentally blew up a van.

    We expect our heroes to act logically and correctly in these situations, but that expectation is neither logical nor correct. Chuck is scared, angry and grieving (he just witnessed the murder of his father), and he has a very clear and good reason for him to get out of the spy game. Thankfully, I haven’t had to deal with my father’s death (much less watch him be murdered), but in my experience with the death of family members and friends, I’ve had moments where I could have acted better.

    At worst, Chuck made a bad promise an hour after he watched the murder of his father, and then tried to keep a promise he made one of the dearest people in his life. I’ll let he without sin throw that stone.

    Now, the downside is the lying that takes place in season 4. I can take Chuck’s spur-of-the-moment decision here, and trying to keep his word later. But his lying to Ellie in Season 4 is poorly-veiled cowardice. I’m with atcDave 100% there, but Ring II is entirely forgivable to me.

    Finally, his decision not to kill Shaw (after showing he’s capable of it in Other Guy) is probably the most power affirmation I’ve seen a character make of his own morals. He’s not 24 hours away from this man killing his father, trying to kill him and his loved ones, and trying to kill him again. Maybe that makes Chuck weak as an agent – killing Shaw would’ve avoided Sarah’s near-death in Santa Claus. But as a human being? Like Sarah said, that’s what makes him great.

    All that said, I still don’t think it’s a top-10 episode; there are quite a few flaws here (the ease of their defeat of the RIng bugs the hell out of me). But his promise to Ellie isn’t one of them to me.

    • authorguy says:

      And such a stupid plot! The Ring never had good or well-explained plots. The gas grenade in the sculpture. What was that supposed to do, exactly?

    • And for all that, I completely agree with Bill as a criticism of the writing of the Ellie promise. It’s unnecessary, and doesn’t lead to anything good – generally, if you’re writing a story, that’s a bad sign. But as people reacting to stimuli… you react much worse to the murder of your father than failing to fully consider the consequences of your actions while trying to protect yourself and your family.

    • atcDave says:

      Well I would agree that Chuck sparing Shaw at the end was a very good moment for him; it spoke well of his character and moral conviction. And I really like how Sarah affirmed the decision too, that speaks well of her character.

      I do admit I’m often a harsh judge of Chuck. I know pretty clearly where it comes from. For the first two seasons of the show, I mostly related to his character, especially in those first seven episodes, I felt like I could BE this guy. Chuck was the sort of hero I could relate to AND respect. Starting with 1.08 he first made some decisions I couldn’t relate to, but basically I continued to relate to Chuck until S3. And here in Ring II into the start of Anniversary, the worst of my NOT relating to Chuck is coming to an end. I don’t want to get back into the whole analysis of S3, but once we put the whole promise to Ellie behind us, my problems with relating to Chuck will mostly go away.
      And I probably could have been fine with only one or two of these “I just don’t get that…” sort of moments (like back in the first two seasons). But this is coming at the end of season that was just loaded with them from beginning to end. So there’s maybe a bit of exasperation in it. But it goes from most seasons of the show when I only had problems with Chuck a couple times a season, to this season when I only respected him a couple times all season!

      • You’re right about the frequency, and to be fair, I don’t like these things either. My disagreement with you is more a matter of degree. He’s pretty bad is the first half of season 3; I had to skip the rewatch of that part because I can’t bear watching it. There’s good moments throughout (Casey and Awesome are, well, awesome), but the decisions Chuck and even Sarah make fly in the face of everything we know about them.

        I don’t mind his issues in 3.5 so much because Chuck’s faults (lying to protect Sarah, deferring to his Dad and sister) seem more honest to me. First, he always recognizes his mistakes, corrects them, and apologizes to the people who get hurt. Second, they seem to spring from childhood demons that the show did a good job laying the groundwork for. And third, they always spring from him trying to protect people in some way, and getting tripped up by bad instincts – which lead to poor split-second decisions.

        I guess the difference is that in 3.0, he’s actively becoming a worse person – lying, manipulating, hurting people. In 3.5, he’s a good person who’s trying to break out of a bad pattern of behavior while navigating unfamiliar terrain. I can root for Chuck 3.5 to become Chuck circa season 4/5.

  11. Christopher says:

    This to me is the most significant episode of Chuck. It impacts all the storylines heading forward. It also feeds into the Prague Incident. Let me explain, I believe after watching the colonel recently I have been able to link the end of that episode as the beginning of Prague. Here is what I mean There is a particular scene that I refer to when it comes to Sarah and Chuck. As Orion is telling them that he was able to take out the intersect, you can see explosions from the bombs being used to destroy the Fulcrum base. However, as you see Chuck and Sarah faces its telling you the correlation between the explosions and how they are feeling. They were going to lose each other, it bother Sarah a lot. if you notice in Chuck vs the ring she is all emotional in the beginning.

    Even the presence of Bryce has not change her feeling that Chuck was about to leave her life and she was not happy about this.She gets her hopes up again when GB asks Chuck if he wants to work on the new Intersect Project. However, Chuck shoots it down. saying he is not a hero. in the meantime, Sarah’s facial expression is telling you that she is not pleased with that decision. The truth is Agent Walker is not a factor anymore. Sarah wants to be Chuck’s girlfriend and she has begun to accept it.

    Some more evidence of this was when Chuck and Sarah are in the holding cell, and Chuck says two bed two bath cell. She asks two beds? its not what she said. its how she said it. her eyes have nothing but love in them now, and it is well received by Chuck.

    WE get to The first of two weddings in this episode. one awesome reception hall fight scene and we have a prototypical Chuck wedding. Chuck’s eyes as Sarah tell him that she was leaving in the morning and with Bryce was something Chuck was not expecting to hear after he requested to go on a vacation with him. This is where Chuck made a mistake. He didn’t express how he wanted to not only go on a vacation with Sarah, but he wanted her in his life. It almost seemed like a vacation was the easier thing to say, which in reality was something that was always wrong with Chuck and Sarah. Their unwillingness to acknowledge what they were feeling and tell the other was what was holding them back. It was not like the love was not there. The eyes tell you everything especially for Sarah, who watches Chuck walk away from her saying

    Chuck: Thanks for coming, it’s good for the cover.

    For Chuck we have begun to see the frustration take its toll even for a man that knew how to keep his cool, but what he doesn’t see is the pain in Sarah eyes. Her eyes wet with tears because she was not there on an assignment she was at Elle’s Wedding as his date and so much wants to tell him that she wanted to be with him.

    When they get to the reception, Sarah offers Chuck a chance to dance, and while dancing Sarah eyes tell the story. Closed and enjoying the moment. It is a feeling of being where she wants to be. There is nothing like it. She has never felt this way before.

    Sarah wanting to dance

    Sarah loves being in Chucks arms

    What I find beautiful about the look Sarah has on her face was a transition look. As she comes into his arms she has proclaim herself as his girlfriend. It has not been spoken yet, but Sarah has happiness, love and most importantly has Chuck in her arms. In his arms she wants to stay.

    Chuck Bartowski: You belong out there. Save the world. I’m just – I’m just not that guy.

    Sarah Walker: How many times do you have to be a hero to realize that you *are* that guy?

    Chuck Bartowski: But I want more Sarah. I want a life. I want a real life.

    Sarah Walker: Chuck, I don’t want to save the world. I want –

    Sarah was going to tell him that she was not going to leave, and want to stay and see how they feel about each other. This was a big step for Sarah because she refused orders and told Bryce she was not coming.

    As the path continues, Chuck is thinking about how he was losing Sarah to Bryce and the CIA. There is only one thing he can do, which is when given the choice this time. He downloaded the Intersect 2.0. For Chuck it was about being able to be with Sarah, and he needed to enter her world in order to do it, but Chuck never gave Sarah a chance to explain her side. Like he will say to Sarah in Chuck vs the Other Guy. I never asked you an important question.

    Intersect 2

    As good as it was for Chuck to download the new intersect, Sarah was not happy about it. She didn’t want him to be a part of this world. In her eyes, the normal life he was living was what she wanted, and by him deciding to enter her world, she was losing that chance.

    The feelings were there, but the fact that they did not communicate it to each other was where the problem really was. This of course until Sarah decided to take action. She asked Chuck to run with her and unfortunately for Sarah, even Chuck was capable of letting her down. He did what she did for the last two years.

    He chose duty over her. He explained that he did it for the sake of helping others and for the chance to be with Sarah because he loved her, but he never listened to what she was saying. Look at what she told him

    Sarah Walker: We could run? You and me. We go now and never look back.

    Chuck Bartowski: Are you serious?

    Sarah Walker: I have some money saved up. I’d have to get us some new identities. Create an escape route. For now go to the training facility in Prague. Then meet me in the Nadrazzi Train Station in 3 weeks time at 7:00. And then I can figure out the rest later.

    Chuck Bartowski: What are you saying?

    Sarah Walker: I’m saying I want to be a real person again, with you. That’s what you want, right? I mean this is it, Chuck. Will you run away with me?

    She is not asking him to join her world..She is telling him I want out and start a life with you. She explained to him the downside of being a spy. How every city is a new mission and new Identity, soon you will lose yourself.

    Chuck Bartowski: [Thinks about it] Yeah.

    The nerd in him was telling him something else. Sarah Walker was telling him that she was ready, and it flow right over his head.

    Finally, we arrived at Prague. Sarah is waiting for Chuck, which he arrives, but he is not the same Chuck that told his father that he loved her. He came as Agent Walker. Two simple words that would pay the way for the entire season 3

    Sarah Walker: this is simple. This is a real life… We have to go Chuck… Are you coming?

    Chuck Bartowski: [Long pause, Chuck let’s go of Sarah’s hand] I can’t. I’m sorry.

    Chuck said I can’t, something she told Chuck for two years now has turned against her. The road that followed really began four weeks prior to Prague. WE just didn’t notice.

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