Chuck Versus the Statistics

A Moment Please While Sarah Tabulates The Results

A Moment Please While Sarah Tabulates The Results

This is a just for fun that comes out of a geeky discussion of the ratings and polls we have done here over the years.  It struck me that I never did get around to releasing a 91 episode best to worst of Chuck table.  So join me after the jump for that and perhaps some more geeky and weird obsessive comparisons between seasons and episodes.

In addition to this table, if there was ever anything you wanted to know, let us know in comments.  I know my Chuck spreadsheet is fairly complete, who knows, maybe we can provide it for you.

First here is how the seasons rate:

S1  Average of all episodes  3.89  Standard deviation  0.39
S2  Average of all episodes  3.96  Standard deviation  0.56
S3  Average of all episodes  3.45  Standard deviation  0.69
S4 Average of all episodes   3.69  Standard deviation  0.53
S5  Average of all episodes  3.71   Standard deviation  0.48

All 3.74  0.57

I have color coded the seasons above and in the table below so those of you who don’t have all episodes and seasons memorized can tell which episode belongs to which season.  But then I realized you probably aren’t here if you don’t have them all memorized.  But I  left it anyway.

Title ChuckThis rating
1   Chuck Versus the Colonel 4.88
2   Chuck Versus the Honeymooners 4.76
3   Chuck Versus the First Date 4.68
4   Chuck Versus Phase Three 4.67
5   Chuck Versus the Intersect 4.65
6   Chuck Versus the Ring 4.57
7   Chuck Versus the Seduction 4.55
8   Chuck Versus the Baby 4.51
9   Chuck Versus the Push Mix 4.48
10   Chuck Versus the DeLorean 4.47
11   Chuck Versus the Cougars 4.44
12   Chuck Versus the Truth 4.35
13   Chuck Versus the Ring: Part II 4.33
14   Chuck Versus the Other Guy 4.32
15   Chuck Versus Santa Claus 4.31
16   Chuck Versus the Subway 4.31
17   Chuck Versus the Wedding Planner 4.31
18   Chuck Versus the Cliffhanger 4.28
19   Chuck Versus the Marlin 4.23
20   Chuck Versus the Last Details 4.23
21   Chuck Versus the Best Friend 4.2
22   Chuck Versus the Seduction Impossible 4.18
23   Chuck Versus the Bullet Train 4.13
24   Chuck Versus the Imported Hard Salami 4.12
25   Chuck Versus the Dream Job 4.12
26   Chuck Versus Sarah 4.09
27   Chuck Versus the First Fight 4.08
28   Chuck Versus the Break-Up 4.07
29   Chuck Versus the Wookiee 4.05
30   Chuck Versus Tom Sawyer 4.04
31   Chuck Versus the Hack Off 4.01
32   Chuck Versus the Tango 4
33   Chuck Versus the Broken Heart 4
34   Chuck Versus the Balcony 4
35   Chuck Versus the Predator 3.97
36   Chuck Versus the Santa Suit 3.94
37   Chuck Versus the Suburbs 3.92
38   Chuck Versus the Goodbye 3.89
39   Chuck Versus the Alma Mater 3.88
40   Chuck Versus the Nemesis 3.87
41   Chuck Versus the First Bank of Evil 3.87
42   Chuck Versus the Business Trip 3.87
43   Chuck Versus the Suitcase 3.84
44   Chuck Versus the Tic Tac 3.83
45   Chuck Versus the Beard 3.81
46   Chuck Versus the Couch Lock 3.8
47   Chuck Versus the Coup d’Etat 3.79
48   Chuck Versus Bo 3.78
49   Chuck Versus the First Kill 3.77
50   Chuck Versus the Anniversary 3.77
51   Chuck Versus the Lethal Weapon 3.76
52   Chuck Versus the Fat Lady 3.69
53   Chuck Versus the Angel de la Muerte 3.68
54   Chuck Versus the Sandworm 3.6
55   Chuck Versus the Kept Man 3.6
56   Chuck Versus Agent X 3.56
57   Chuck Versus the Helicopter 3.55
58   Chuck Versus the Gravitron 3.55
59   Chuck Versus the Role Models 3.49
60   Chuck Versus the Crown Vic 3.48
61   Chuck Versus the American Hero 3.48
62   Chuck Versus the Cubic Z 3.44
63   Chuck Versus the Sizzling Shrimp 3.42
64   Chuck Versus the A-Team 3.41
65   Chuck Versus the Undercover Lover 3.39
66   Chuck Versus the Living Dead 3.34
67   Chuck Versus the Frosted Tips 3.34
68   Chuck Versus Operation Awesome 3.33
69   Chuck Versus the Tooth 3.33
70   Chuck Versus the Ex 3.32
71   Chuck Versus the Leftovers 3.29
72   Chuck Versus the Three Words 3.25
73   Chuck Versus the Family Volkoff 3.23
74   Chuck Versus the Final Exam 3.21
75   Chuck Versus the Gobbler 3.2
76   Chuck Versus the Cat Squad 3.2
77   Chuck Versus the Aisle of Terror 3.13
78   Chuck Versus the Zoom 3.09
79   Chuck Versus the Beefcake 3.04
80   Chuck Versus the Nacho Sampler 3.04
81   Chuck Versus the Bearded Bandit 3.03
82   Chuck Versus the Masquerade 3
83   Chuck Versus the Sensei 2.99
84   Chuck Versus the Curse 2.94
85   Chuck Versus the Fear of Death 2.89
86   Chuck Versus the Third Dimension 2.87
87   Chuck Versus First Class 2.81
88   Chuck Versus the Muuurder 2.79
89   Chuck Versus the Pink Slip 2.77
90   Chuck Versus the Fake Name 2.42
91   Chuck Versus the Mask 2.05

 

Addenda:  Well I did say ask so in that spirit here are the raw numbers.

 

# Title ChuckThis rating 1 2 3 4 5 votes
1 101   Chuck Versus the Intersect 4.65 0 0 3 20 51 74
2 102   Chuck Versus the Helicopter 3.55 0 7 29 30 9 75
3 103   Chuck Versus the Tango 4 0 1 19 33 21 74
4 104   Chuck Versus the Wookiee 4.05 0 0 13 45 17 75
5 105   Chuck Versus the Sizzling Shrimp 3.42 0 8 32 27 6 73
6 106   Chuck Versus the Sandworm 3.6 0 7 27 30 11 75
7 107   Chuck Versus the Alma Mater 3.88 0 6 16 34 19 75
8 108   Chuck Versus the Truth 4.35 0 1 11 24 39 75
9 109   Chuck Versus the Imported Hard Salami 4.12 0 4 13 28 30 75
10 110   Chuck Versus the Nemesis 3.87 1 5 16 34 19 75
11 111   Chuck Versus the Crown Vic 3.48 0 10 26 32 7 75
12 112   Chuck Versus the Undercover Lover 3.39 1 9 29 32 4 75
13 113   Chuck Versus the Marlin 4.23 0 2 11 30 32 75
14 201   Chuck Versus the First Date 4.68 0 1 2 17 55 75
15 202   Chuck Versus the Seduction 4.55 1 1 4 19 50 75
16 203   Chuck Versus the Break-Up 4.07 1 2 15 30 27 75
17 204   Chuck Versus the Cougars 4.44 0 0 8 26 41 75
18 205   Chuck Versus Tom Sawyer 4.04 0 4 14 32 25 75
19 206   Chuck Versus the Ex 3.32 5 3 34 29 4 75
20 207   Chuck Versus the Fat Lady 3.69 1 4 23 36 11 75
21 208   Chuck Versus the Gravitron 3.55 1 3 32 32 7 75
22 209   Chuck Versus the Sensei 2.99 3 19 30 22 1 75
23 210   Chuck Versus the DeLorean 4.47 0 3 2 26 43 74
24 211   Chuck Versus Santa Claus 4.31 0 5 7 22 40 74
25 212   Chuck Versus the Third Dimension 2.87 4 20 35 14 2 75
26 213   Chuck Versus the Suburbs 3.92 1 5 15 32 22 75
27 214   Chuck Versus the Best Friend 4.2 1 2 11 28 33 75
28 215   Chuck Versus the Beefcake 3.04 6 11 37 16 5 75
29 216   Chuck Versus the Lethal Weapon 3.76 1 4 21 35 14 75
30 217   Chuck Versus the Predator 3.97 0 2 19 33 21 75
31 218   Chuck Versus the Broken Heart 4 0 3 16 33 22 74
32 219   Chuck Versus the Dream Job 4.12 0 3 13 31 28 75
33 220   Chuck Versus the First Kill 3.77 0 3 21 41 10 75
34 221   Chuck Versus the Colonel 4.88 0 0 0 9 66 75
35 222   Chuck Versus the Ring 4.57 0 1 4 21 49 75
36 301   Chuck Versus the Pink Slip 2.77 15 15 23 16 6 75
37 302   Chuck Versus the Three Words 3.25 5 11 24 30 5 75
38 303   Chuck Versus the Angel de la Muerte 3.68 1 4 20 43 7 75
39 304   Chuck Versus Operation Awesome 3.33 5 8 25 31 6 75
40 305   Chuck Versus First Class 2.81 11 19 21 21 3 75
41 306   Chuck Versus the Nacho Sampler 3.04 8 14 25 23 5 75
42 307   Chuck Versus the Mask 2.05 33 16 17 10 0 76
43 308   Chuck Versus the Fake Name 2.42 27 10 21 16 2 76
44 309   Chuck Versus the Beard 3.81 3 10 10 27 25 75
45 310   Chuck Versus the Tic Tac 3.83 2 4 19 30 20 75
46 311   Chuck Versus the Final Exam 3.21 10 6 25 26 8 75
47 312   Chuck Versus the American Hero 3.48 6 11 15 27 16 75
48 313   Chuck Versus the Other Guy 4.32 1 6 5 19 44 75
49 314   Chuck Versus the Honeymooners 4.76 1 0 3 8 63 75
50 315   Chuck Versus the Role Models 3.49 1 6 32 26 9 74
51 316   Chuck Versus the Tooth 3.33 1 14 25 29 6 75
52 317   Chuck Versus the Living Dead 3.34 2 10 28 29 5 74
53 318   Chuck Versus the Subway 4.31 2 1 9 23 40 75
54 319   Chuck Versus the Ring: Part II 4.33 2 0 9 24 40 75
55 401   Chuck Versus the Anniversary 3.77 0 4 22 36 13 75
56 402   Chuck Versus the Suitcase 3.84 1 8 15 29 22 75
57 403   Chuck Versus the Cubic Z 3.44 2 13 18 34 8 75
58 404   Chuck Versus the Coup d’Etat 3.79 2 4 17 37 15 75
59 405   Chuck Versus the Couch Lock 3.8 0 5 19 37 14 75
60 406   Chuck Versus the Aisle of Terror 3.13 1 21 24 25 4 75
61 407   Chuck Versus the First Fight 4.08 0 4 11 35 25 75
62 408   Chuck Versus the Fear of Death 2.89 9 18 24 18 5 74
63 409   Chuck Versus Phase Three 4.67 0 2 4 11 58 75
64 410   Chuck Versus the Leftovers 3.29 2 13 27 27 6 75
65 411   Chuck Versus the Balcony 4 3 6 9 27 30 75
66 412   Chuck Versus the Gobbler 3.2 4 14 23 29 4 74
67 413   Chuck Versus the Push Mix 4.48 0 3 7 16 49 75
68 414   Chuck Versus the Seduction Impossible 4.18 0 3 8 36 27 74
69 415   Chuck Versus the Cat Squad 3.2 7 9 27 26 6 75
70 416   Chuck Versus the Masquerade 3 4 14 36 20 1 75
71 417   Chuck Versus the First Bank of Evil 3.87 0 3 20 36 16 75
72 418   Chuck Versus the A-Team 3.41 1 7 33 28 6 75
73 419   Chuck Versus the Muuurder 2.79 12 17 25 17 4 75
74 420   Chuck Versus the Family Volkoff 3.23 1 17 25 24 6 73
75 421   Chuck Versus the Wedding Planner 4.31 0 4 8 24 39 75
76 422   Chuck Versus Agent X 3.56 7 4 19 26 16 72
77 423   Chuck Versus the Last Details 4.23 1 2 14 19 38 74
78 424   Chuck Versus the Cliffhanger 4.28 0 3 13 18 40 74
79 501   Chuck Versus the Zoom 3.09 2 12 35 20 1 70
80 502   Chuck Versus the Bearded Bandit 3.03 4 10 36 20 0 70
81 503   Chuck Versus the Frosted Tips 3.34 4 7 27 25 7 70
82 504   Chuck Versus the Business Trip 3.87 2 4 12 34 17 69
83 505   Chuck Versus the Hack Off 4.01 0 2 12 38 17 69
84 506   Chuck Versus the Curse 2.94 5 17 26 19 2 69
85 507   Chuck Versus the Santa Suit 3.94 6 6 5 21 31 69
86 508   Chuck Versus the Baby 4.51 2 1 5 13 48 69
87 509   Chuck Versus the Kept Man 3.6 1 2 25 34 5 67
88 510   Chuck Versus Bo 3.78 0 1 20 41 7 69
89 511   Chuck Versus the Bullet Train 4.13 1 0 13 31 25 70
90 512   Chuck Versus Sarah 4.09 4 4 9 18 35 70
91 513   Chuck Versus the Goodbye 3.89 8 4 10 14 34 70
                   

 

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About Ernie Davis

I was born in 1998, the illegitimate brain child and pen name of a surly and reclusive misanthrope with a penchant for anonymity. My offline alter ego is a convicted bibliophile and causes rampant pognophobia whenever he goes out in public. He wants to be James Lileks when he grows up or Dave Barry if he doesn’t.  His hobbies are mopery, curling and watching and writing about Chuck.  Obsessively.  Really, the dude needs serious help.
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210 Responses to Chuck Versus the Statistics

  1. authorguy says:

    Have to disagree. Fake Name is much worse than Mask. Maybe it’s the Mask’s good qualities that make people think it sucks more.

  2. anthropocene says:

    Dave, this is terrific. Any chance you could also provide the number of responses for each of these items? Then we could really geek out on making comparisons. Thanks.

  3. mr2686 says:

    Well, of the bottom 10, I personally would move 3D, Sensei and FOD out of there, while moving EX, Tooth and Dream Job down there. But that’s just me.

  4. Ha! One casual mention of medians, and Ernie goes nuts! 😛

  5. atcDave says:

    Ernie always was our stats guy!

    I believe this was from 70 responses done shortly after the end of the series. I mostly agree with this take, obviously a few exceptions. The total variation is actually pretty small, which suggests most episodes had some proponents.
    One oddity I noted, originally I didn’t dislike 3-D as much as most seem to, but on re-watch I rated it much lower. So my revised rating is more in-line with mainstream.
    I guess I like S4 and S5 a lot more than most; I’d have most of them moved up, and a few others moved lower.
    I would have expected Sarah and Goodbye to rank higher. But Ernie’s Thinkling quote is perfect; dynamite episodes, weak finale.

    Always fascinating to see how we compare to the norm.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      As I recall I was running one on the first four seasons toward the end of season 5. I cut it off at 75 responses. The one on season 5 ran a few days after the finale when our traffic had already started to drop off, that’s why the big discrepancy in responses.

      As for another, oy, with 91 episodes just entering all the titles in the poll is an undertaking.

      Though I did start a poll on the top 5 montages in Chuck.

    • mr2686 says:

      Dave, regarding 3-D, I really liked it the first time around and actually like it even more on multiple re-watches. I will admit that I may be prone to liking it because of Dominic Monaghan since he basically plays a similar character as his Charlie Pace character on Lost (basically my 1b to Chuck’s 1a on my top TV show list).

      • atcDave says:

        I think the first time around I liked the Tyler character, very funny. I liked some of the comedy, and I was okay with the underplayed resolution to the Mauser shooting since I thought the “drama” of it was overplayed in Santa Claus.
        But what is hard for me on re-watch is just HOW extremely whiny and annoying Chuck is for much of the episode. I almost cheer when Casey tranqs him. This is very much a hot button for me. Apart from the misery arc, my least favorite episodes have to do with whiny or buffoonish Chuck.

  6. atcDave says:

    Maybe we should do another poll soon. Our readership is much smaller, but we are presumably less typical now, and many of us may have changed our views.

    • joe says:

      Yeah. I’ve always joked that my favorite episode is the one I’ve seen last, and that’s pretty much true, too. I find that time and the course of the story arcs change how I rate any particular episode as the the story unfolds.

      I have a gut feeling that “favorite” really means a particular episode contains an unforgettable scene or two that we can’t do without. That explains why Colonel and Honeymooners come out on top.

      Then again, maybe Chuck fans are just a bunch of romance junkies.

  7. mr2686 says:

    Well, I just finished my rewatch of season 1 and for the first time I actually tried to put them in order (not as easy as it sounded and it will be much harder as I add each season to it). As I expected, there’s quite a difference between mine and the one’s listed above. First off, let me say that even my number 13 is an episode I really like, so that’s nothing against it, just that season 1 is very strong top to bottom in my book. Also, there are some obvious differences, like Intersect being further down the list for me, and although both lists have Alma Mater and Nemesis back to back, I have them both much much higher (obviously two of my all time favorite Chuck EPs).
    Anyway, here they are and feel free to comment on what changes you would make on your list.
    1. Chuck vs The Truth
    2. Chuck vs The Alma Mater
    3. Chuck vs the Nemesis
    4. Chuck vs The Hard Salami
    5. Chuck vs The Intersect
    6. Chuck vs The Wookiee
    7. Chuck vs The Marlin
    8. Chuck vs The Sizzling Shrimp
    9. Chuck vs The Tango
    10. Chuck vs The Sandworm
    11. Chuck vs The Crown Vic
    12. Chuck vs The Undercover Lover
    13. Chuck vs The Helicopter

    • atcDave says:

      I would agree with saying not a bad one in the bunch, but dang, our lists aren’t much alike.
      I’d say
      1. Pilot
      2. Tango
      3. Marlin
      4. Helicopter
      5. Undercover Lover
      6. Alma Mater
      7. Sandworm
      8. Sizzling Shrimp
      9. Nemesis
      10. Truth
      11. Wookiee
      12. Imported Hard Salami
      13. Crown Vic

      My top three are pretty firm, I have no doubts. And so is number 13. The rest can flex some with my mood.

      • thinkling says:

        Hi guys. I’ll try to join some of the fun again. (Real life kind of swamped my boat for a while.) This looks like a fun place to jump in. I’m a bit of a mix between Dave and Ernie. And I totally agree with Joe that my rating of an episode may hinge on a particular scene that I like or can’t stand. It’s purely subjective, and I often decide by asking myself which one I rewatch more often.

        1. Pilot
        2. Tango
        3. Marlin
        4. Helicopter
        5. Wookie
        6. Sandworm
        7. Imported Hard Salami
        8. Nemesis
        9. Sizzling Shrimp
        10. Alma Mater
        11. Undercover Lover
        12. Truth
        13. Crown Vic

      • atcDave says:

        Hey stranger, great to have you stop by!

        I notice the all important top three, and bottom one are exactly the same as mine. Obviously the time away hasn’t dulled your excellent taste.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      Wow, this is a tough one for me, but if pressed I’d say …

      1. Chuck vs The Tango
      2. Chuck vs The Truth
      3. Chuck vs The Imported Hard Salami
      4. Chuck vs The Marlin
      5. Chuck vs The Intersect
      6. Chuck vs The Wookiee
      7. Chuck vs The Nemesis
      8. Chuck vs The Undercover Lover
      9. Chuck vs The Crown Vic
      10. Chuck vs The Helicopter
      11. Chuck vs The Sizzling Shrimp
      12. Chuck vs The Alma Mater
      13. Chuck vs The Sandworm

      But the top 5 are so close as to be virtually interchangeable.

    • uplink2 says:

      I’ll join in:

      1. Pilot
      2. Wookie
      3. Truth
      4. Imported Hard Salami
      5. Marlin
      6. Nemesis
      7. Tango
      8. Alma Mater
      9. Crown Vic (if they included the deleted scene it would have been 13 lol)
      10. Helicopter
      11. Sizzling Shrimp
      12. Sandworm
      13. Undercover Lover

      My opinion of Helicopter went up on my rewatch but I agree that it is a very strong season with no clunkers.

      MR I think much of my difference with you is I never bought the Bryce was actually a good guy trying to ‘protect’ Chuck storyline. It is all such a contradiction. I love his character and how he drove the story but I never accepted the idea he had Chuck’s interests at heart ever. Good friends don’t do what he did under any circumstances. It is a great plot device but I simply don’t buy it as being the truth. Therefore my opinions about that arc drop because it feels false to me.

      Personally I think the Pilot is one of the best I’ve ever seen and I’ve reqwatched it probably more than any other episode and that might even include Honeymooners.

      • atcDave says:

        I think I’ve re-watched the Pilot most of all, partly because it has a huge head start. Really, Pilot/Tango/Marlin I’ve seen each 40+ times. Just a terrific first season though.

        I always mark down the soap opera arc, but those four are easily the best “triangle” episodes of the series. They’ll never be “favorites” for me, but they are easily re-watchable when doing the whole season.

      • Dave says:

        Uplink

        Switch Nemesis and Undercover Lover and that would be my list, exactly.

  8. mr2686 says:

    I think we’ll find that everyone will have their fav top 3 or 4 and least fav 1 or 2, but the middle can change depending on your mood. I see Ernie and I have Intersect in the same spot, and actually it has moved up a lot for me over the years. I was also surprised that Tango wasn’t higher on my list but found that I liked several others just a bit more. Wow, no love for Alma Mater and Nemesis? I really think those will end up two of my all time favorites…although that could still mean not in the top 10, but we’ll see. I also found that Marlin was slipping down my list a bit.

    • atcDave says:

      There is sort of an embarrassment of riches in S1. S2 is similar; with maybe ten that are terrific, four that are weak, and eight in a big happy middle.

      • mr2686 says:

        I agree about the embarrassment of riches in S1. I feel bad for the bottom EPs because they are so good, but once I get S2 in there I think I’ll see those weak ones and at least half the middle S2 EPs going below all of the S1 EPs.

      • atcDave says:

        It gets very hard for me to rank the series as a whole like that. It’s a little easier to break out the seasons, but even then I mostly think in terms of strong/average/weak. Getting more specific, especially with the average episodes can be very difficult.

      • mr2686 says:

        Oh agree totally. Sometimes they’re so close that it’s a toss up.

  9. mr2686 says:

    Uplink, I see your point about Bryce, but I did buy in to it so that probably helps push Alma Mater and Nemesis up as high as I have them. As a mater of fact, I think Alma Mater was almost perfect, and the only thing (for me) that kept it from going ahead of Truth was the Buy More story, which was very good, but not the very very best.

    • atcDave says:

      I was happy to “forgive” Bryce when I still thought he was dead. I mostly enjoy the episodes he’s in too, but it becomes a little more strained.

    • uplink2 says:

      For me though I agree these are great episodes, the idea that he was protecting Chuck by taking away his freedom of choice because “he knew better” simply grates on me a lot. Then he completely contradicts that idea by both never once checking up on him in 5 years and seinding him the Intersect in the first place, The Intersect was either a death sentence for Chuck and everyone around him or it was life in prison. How does that jibe with protecting him? Clearly it doesn’t. But it creates a great storyline that moves everything forward. Bryce was a gr4eat spy but not a great man or friend.

      • mr2686 says:

        I don’t really have a problem with Bryce taking away his freedom of choice…he was trying to be a good friend and was trying to protect him (or at least you could look at it that way). Separately I don’t have a problem with him then sending the intersect to him, because he was Bryce’s only friend and the only one he could trust. Where I do have an issue, and you brought it up, was that he never once checked on Chuck in the 5 years in between. Above that, he was surprised that Chuck never made anything of himself, as if what he did to Chuck was just a small bump in the road. That’s actually the same type of road that Chuck later starts to go down, but fortunately comes out of his nose dive.

      • Dave says:

        I could never forgive Bryce. He only did 1 good thing in the whole 2 seasons and that was going to help Chuck rescue everyone at Ellie’s wedding. Otherwise everything he did hurt Chuck in some manner. Hence Nemesis at the bottom for me.

      • atcDave says:

        I actually really like that Bryce is such a complex character. I think he’s sort of narcissistic. He wants to be a hero, tries to be hero, but ultimately is too self absorbed to really be a good hero.

        So I like him as a character, but not really as a person.

      • uplink2 says:

        See MR that is my exact point. Taking away someone’s freedom of choice is NEVER acceptable or what a good friend does. A good friend tells their friend what they think, gives them all the information they can and then supports their friend no matter what decision they choose even if it is exactly the opposite from what they think. They don’t lie and destroy their future because THEY have decided the other person can’t handle the choice they might make. What he did was totally reprehensible to me no matter what his intentions were. And I don’t accept the “He couldn’t, he had already been recruited” line. He was willing to break the law by getting Chuck expelled but wasn’t ready to break the law to tell Chuck what he knew?

        Then he does it again by sending him the Intersect not because he was “protecting” Chuck but because HE needed to do it selfishly. To hell with it’s consequences for Chuck. Plus doing that was far far more dangerous than anything the CIA would have done to him if he was recruited. Not only did it threaten Chuck with imminent death or bunkering and make him the biggest target in the free world, it also threatened everyone around him. Ellie, Morgan, Devon all were threatened with possible death by Bryce’s actions. All done with no input from any of them. If Chuck had been recruited he would have been trained before he got the Intersect and not thrown into the deep end by his supposed “friend”

        It makes for a great story and plot device but at No point were Bryce’s actions proper, unselfish, or respectful of his supposed only friend. They were irresponsible, selfish and one could say treasonous by taking away the best possible candidate in defense of his country simply because HE decided Chuck couldn’t handle it. Something that was proven completely inaccurate.

        Bryce was a great character played by a great actor. But he was in no way honorable. He was a hugely flawed man with an enormous ego who thought he had the right to do whatever he thought was right at the time, to hell with the consequences to anyone who got in his way. All qualities that make him a great spy but a terrible friend or man.

      • mr2686 says:

        Uplink, somewhere in season 2, doesn’t Bryce make mention that he promised Chuck’s dad that he would keep the intersect away from Chuck? I may have misunderstood, but I got the impression that was back at Stanford (maybe it was later) but if so that would elevate the Bryce character’s morals a bit (at least to me). It’s hard to rate Bryce as a good guy or a good friend, but he is definitely complex.

      • authorguy says:

        It was made clear that Bryce was working for Orion in several places. He may not have had a moral imperative to do what he did to Chuck, but Chuck’s father sure did. Bryce was just his agent in that. I was going to write a whole fanfic about it, but tucked it into one of my chapters instead.

      • atcDave says:

        Actually I think it was Orion contacted Bryce AFTER Stanford. He decided Bryce was someone he could trust because of what he did to Chuck.

      • Wilf says:

        @atcDave that was tongue in cheek, right?

      • uplink2 says:

        I only remember some vague reference to Orion and Bryce during Ring 1. I’ll have to go back and rewatch to get it straight. But here is another place I passionately disagree. I find Orion’s interference in taking away Chuck’s freedom of choice about his future to be absolutely horrible for a father to do. Again a good father talks to their kids and gives them help in making the right choices but when the kid is 21 or 22 you let them make their own choice and support them no matter what the choice is. The idea of a father conspiring with their child’s supposed best friend to take away their freedom of choice is to me at least even worse behavior than what Bryce did on his own. It’s another example of just what rotten parents the Bartowski’s were. Great characters and heroes yes but absolutely horrible parents. Under no circumstances is going behind a child’s back and conspiring to take away their freedom of choice acceptable once they are a certain age. It’s disgusting and irresponsible behavior.

      • authorguy says:

        It is, based on a S2 understanding of Orion and Bryce. However, we are later shown that Chuck had demonstrated an affinity for the Intersect at the age of 9. Given that Orion left not much later I can easily see him reacting as the parent of a 9-year-old rather than a 20-something. It’s like people who speak a foreign language only as a child, and learn another after that. As an adult, if they try to speak the first they speak it as a child would.
        Not to mention that merely telling Chuck about the danger simply draws attention to him and increases the danger. Informed decision-making under those circumstances is not an option.

      • atcDave says:

        Wilf unfortunately I think that’s exactly how Orion was thinking. Like Bryce he’s a fairly complex character; he’s charming and occasionally brilliant. But selfish, unstable, immoral and fatally flawed.
        So no, its not really tongue in cheek; its more a condemnation of Orion’s character that he thought Bryce was trustworthy for such twisted reasons.

        I agree with Uplink’s comment just above.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Orion trusted Bryce because he kept Chuck out of the Omaha project, and then kept the intersect out of Fulcrum’s hands. The show’s spy world’s moral calculus never goes much deeper than that.

      • Wilf says:

        @atcDave I always saw it the other way round … that Bryce got Chuck expelled from Stanford to help Orion achieve his wish to ensure Chuck did not get drawn in.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Well it’s all a bit hand-wavey and ret-con-ish because in the original concept Chuck got the intersect by accident because Chuck was right next to CIA in Bryce’s contacts.

      • mr2686 says:

        Wilf, I think you could definitely look at it that way, and I do actually. It was Bryce that initially made contact with Chuck and became friends. He could have already been recruited by the CIA and Orion worked with him to keep Chuck from following the same path.

      • atcDave says:

        Except in Ring Bryce explains Orion trusts him because of what he did at Stanford, not the other way around. I suppose the semantics could be considered murky, but I sure never saw it that way.

      • uplink2 says:

        Ernie, I mentioned this in an earlier thread to atcDave. Chuck getting the Intersect was absolutely intentional on Bryce’s part. To me there is no wiggle room or hand-waving there. The reason? Zork. The Intersect was contained in an email where the decryption code was something only Chuck would know. There is no way Bryce intended it to go anywhere else but to his old roommate.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Uplink, yes, certainly they had changed that by the pilot but they are on record as having that the original concept. My point is that the story evolved from the pilot to Bryce getting Chuck kicked out of school to keep him out of the Omaha project, to there being an Orion, to Orion being Chuck’s father. It isn’t clear any of those concepts existed for the pilot, and just as Bryce evolved from having stolen Jill to it being a big misunderstanding that nobody ever tried to clear up, these things can take on a vague hand-wavey quality.

  10. mr2686 says:

    How about Marlin? I see you guys have that one higher than I do, and it has gone down a bit for me? What is it about that one that you like that puts it ahead of some of the others? Also, I was looking at my list and I’d say 7-9 (which includes Marlin) are very close and could actually move around a bit in the future.

    • atcDave says:

      I think it’s laugh out loud funny from the beginning, and then ends with a combination of powerful and sweet scenes; the roof top goodbye, and Sarah on guard at the end, just send chills down my spine.

      • mr2686 says:

        I guess that’s the difference with me. I agree with all of that except the laugh out loud funny part. I thought it had some funny parts, but nothing over the top, which is fine, but it was enough to push a few other episodes ahead of it for me.

  11. Ernie Davis says:

    So here’s a thought. Anyone up for an impromptu Season 1 episode re-watch and twitter-fest? Of course since ATCDave doesn’t have twitter we could open a post here. I have to get some dinner in me, but I could be up for one about 9pm EDT.

    • atcDave says:

      Well I’m up for at least a partial re-watch. Maybe my favorite three or four? Or do we want to do this over a couple days? Obviously no twitter, something about my wife threatening me with bodily harm…

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I was thinking just pick one for tonight and do it communally, but if people want to get more ambitious…

      • atcDave says:

        Is it too cliche to watch the Pilot?

        And whatever we do I’ll start a little late anyway, like 11 EDT.

      • Dave says:

        Not cliché. Pilot ranks near the top for almost everyone, including me.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        @dren_lla on twitter is leaning toward the pilot also. I suppose I could do later, but that’s pushing my bedtime.

      • atcDave says:

        I don’t have to do real time with you guys, I don’t twitter anyway.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Well participation on twitter is fading also. Maybe we could benefit from some time for organization.

      • uplink2 says:

        I’d be up for something.

      • atcDave says:

        Or, we could wait a few months until we’re done with this re-watch, and start another with a different format.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        On twitter we’re discussing next Thursday, pilot episode, see if we can make #Chuck trend. We have a week to spread the nerd and make it into a party.

      • uplink2 says:

        Dave/Ernie, I’d be up for both as I’ve got my rewatch juices going again. Watched Suburbs and Best Friend last night. BTW you guys were right to flip them. Suburbs leads into Beefcake mu8ch better than Best Friend. Thanks Prez!

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Next Thursday, pilot, 9pm EDT. Spread the nerd.

      • joe says:

        Wow. Go away for a few hours and I find 45 new comments and a whole new re-watch effort! Oh, you guys…!

        Just so there’s no misunderstanding, Thursday Aug. 29? I’ll be there, but I’ll have to scrape off the bit-rot from my Twitter client.

      • atcDave says:

        Woo-hoo! I’m excited. Even my non-Twitter re-watch should be fun…

        And Uplink we’re happy to help with that sequence issue!

  12. mr2686 says:

    Just looking at the 5 lists submitted yesterday, Wookiee is kind of interesting. We have it at 2, 11, 5, 6, 6. A small sampling I know, but it does show that maybe a few little things in an episode can raise or drop it on someone’s list.

    • authorguy says:

      There’s little I remember about Wookiee other than the fire extinguisher in the guy’s vault. It was so out of place I knew it had to be there for a reason and sure enough it was the vital tool. Plot manipulation like that is irritating.
      I like the Hard Salami for the bomb kiss, and the Truth for the chiseled jaw and other lines. Lou was a horrible character, not especially well-matched to Chuck in any way. About the only thing she brought to the show was Sarah’s realization that she was in fact jealous. Otherwise I fast-forward past her scenes.

    • atcDave says:

      MR you’re exactly right how a few little things can make a huge impression either way. Again, I do want to emphasize I enjoyed the entire season, but Wookiee gets scored down a little for me just because I don’t enjoy what a tramp Carina is, and how she acts with Morgan. But then ironically, once she does hook up with Morgan, I find the fall out from it hilarious in CAT Squad. Go figure.

      And Marc I mostly agree about Lou. This is one of those things that plays into how much I related to Chuck at the start, I just don’t get what he sees in Lou. She sure isn’t my type. So its one of the first disconnects between me and Chuck. Not a biggie. I still can enjoy her episodes, and I do LOVE how Sarah acts in both of those episodes. She owns those episodes.

      • oldresorter says:

        Maybe ‘fully intersected’ Chuck should have gotten amnesia at the end with the assignment to spy on and ultimately kill Sarah, with a warning ‘not to let her seduce you’. I think Sarah’s reaction in the second last ep would have been something, and in the last ep, her attempts to reenact the Mex Restuarant scene, wear a Wienerlicsious costume, dance, etc, all from her perspective this time. then Morgan’s help would even have made more sense and worked better.

      • authorguy says:

        I think the main appeal of Lou were the sandwiches, and the fact that she was a normal girl, and she was the first girl to give him the time of day, and at the right time. Put Hannah in the same room he wouldn’t have looked at Lou.

      • atcDave says:

        Oh Marc I understand the “normal girl” thing. Its just I don’t find her a very appealing normal girl. You’re right Hannah fits the bill better, but of course, by then the time had passed for that sort of nonsense.

      • authorguy says:

        Very true. Aiming Hannah at Chuck was a complete mistake, and you’ve seen how I would have played it. But even as shown, she’s better interpreted as an avatar for the normal world Chuck would be giving up rather than a PLI. I wish they had scripted her that way, the potential of her character was tremendous.
        I don’t think a relationship with Lou would have lasted very long under any circumstances, much less the ones he was operating under.

      • mr2686 says:

        I think the problem with both Hannah and Lou was that they were both pretty girls, but when put up against Sarah they were rather plain. Let’s face it, Yvonne is stunning and one of the top beauties in Hollywood…in any era.

      • authorguy says:

        I admit I found Rachel Bilson not especially attractive, and her character’s behavior didn’t help, but Kristin Kreuk is a great beauty herself. Her only physical flaw is that she’s so much shorter than Chuck.
        As for the sandwiches, this was early on in the show, and they hadn’t gotten around to developing Chuck’s backstory as a computer whiz and electronics genius to later levels.

      • mr2686 says:

        Authorguy, I do agree that the sandwiches were the big appeal. By the way, I love the tough Chuck act while telling Lou what type of sandwich to make. Very funny.

      • mr2686 says:

        A lot of people think that Bilson is better looking that Kreuk. I wouldn’t label either as drop dead gorgeous, but I would give the nod to Kreuk, with a secondary nod to Bilson as sexier. In the end though, picking pretty is like picking the best Chuck episode.

      • uplink2 says:

        Come on guys you are missing the most obvious reason for Lou. Schwedak’s love of stuntcasting. She was played by Rachel Bilson who was a breakout star on The OC. Josh’s first big hit show. He was trying to bring fans of The OC to Chuck. Plus she had many similarities to Summer. Rachel’s character on the OC.

        As far as the characters go I see no real difference between Lou and Hannah. Both were normal girls, the main reason Hannah was redundant, they were both attractive and I think you could get a pretty mixed bag of choices between Rachel and Kristin. The difference isn’t that big to me at all. I may prefer Kristin but Rachel is certainly a very beautiful girl. Plus I think the fact she own her own business was an attractive plus to Chuck. She had no connection to either of his lives.

      • authorguy says:

        You see no difference between a pushy, obnoxious female sandwich-shop owner and a sweet-tempered female tech-whiz, especially when viewed from the perspective of a male sweet-tempered tech-whiz? This shouldn’t amaze me but it does.

      • atcDave says:

        I would say every one of those women is quite pretty, not really a “plain” one in the bunch. Physically, Lou and Hannah are both more “my type” than Sarah (cute brunettes vs elegant blonde). But Lou was vulgar and unsophisticated in a way that really leaves me cold. Hannah’s failings are pure timing. While Sarah has charisma and appeal that’s just off the charts.
        I would agree with saying Yvonne is a sort of timeless beauty that is hard for any other woman to compete with. Ironically, Sarah Lancaster is one of the few I can think of even in that same league.

      • atcDave says:

        I think I’m totally with Marc on this one, I find Hannah a better fit for exactly those reasons.

        CF started the “in another universe” discussion with Sham. Of course most of us always thought Sarah was too good and too substantive for any of her other possible pairings over the course of the show.
        With Chuck its a little trickier. I could pretty easily imagine a universe where Chuck and Hannah fit well together. But Lou just seems so far beneath him. Of course Jill can only be an evil ex…

      • uplink2 says:

        See maybe it’s just me but I like the obnoxious, foul mouthed, pushy shop girl more than the sweet techie stalker. I like contrasts as couples with both characters being exactly the same I find boring. Lou was fun and kept me on my toes, Hannah put me to sleep.

      • uplink2 says:

        I’ll be honest, I’ve never really been that big a fan of anything Kristin has done except her role as the trashy sex-pot that “Scotty doesn’t know” about.

        “Scotty doesn’t know… Scotty doesn’t know… Scotty doesn’t know… don’t tell Scotty!”

      • mr2686 says:

        OMG, she played Fiona in Eurotrip? I did not recognize her, and maybe better rethink who I think is sexier! I guess I’m the one that doesn’t know. 🙂

  13. mr2686 says:

    Ok, I’ve finished with my season 2 re-watch and am posting them in order of favorites. First though, I’d like to share something that I discovered. Watching these episodes with the intent of comparing them to other episodes has really opened my eyes. Some of the ep’s that were some of my least favorites in the past, have jumped up the list several spots. Best Friend, Dream Job and First Kill were at the bottom in the past, but have now moved up in a block with plenty of breathing room from the bottom. This was also the first re-watch where I swapped the order of Best Friend and Suburbs (the way they were supposed to be seen) and I must say it had a huge effect on, and my opinion of, Best Friend (for the better). Anyway, please check out my order and let’s discuss what you would change to make up your order.
    1. Chuck vs The Ring
    2. Chuck vs The Colonel
    3. Chuck vs The Cougars
    4. Chuck vs The Delorean
    5. Chuck vs The First Date
    6. Chuck vs The Seduction
    7. Chuck vs The Santa Claus
    8. Chuck vs The Suburbs
    9. Chuck vs Tom Sawyer
    10. Chuck vs The Predator
    11. Chuck vs The Fat Lady
    12. Chuck vs the Third Dimension
    13. Chuck vs The Break-up
    14. Chuck vs The Best Friend
    15. Chuck vs The Dream Job
    16. Chuck vs The First Kill
    17. Chuck vs The Beefcake
    18. Chuck vs The Broken Heart
    19. Chuck vs The Lethal Weapon
    20. Chuck vs The Sensei
    21. Chuck vs The Gravitron
    22. Chuck vs The Ex

    • atcDave says:

      Wow well, a lot of differences. One thing we were talking about a couple weeks back, has to do with what you’re watching for, what your favorite elements are. So while I would broadly say I liked everything about the show; I would more specifically say Sarah, the romance, the comedy, and the friends and family sort of themes were favorite parts of the show. Next in line would come Chuck’s journey, the spy stories, the Intersect, and mythology. The last category of things I liked would be Morgan and the Buy More (I DO still like this part of the show, but it’s the least of the things I like). The things I don’t like involve cheesy soap opera stuff (6 love triangles!), and serious character flaws for Chuck (lying too much, buffoonish behavior).

      All that, and I really hesitate to rank all the episodes against each other. Every single S2 episode had moments I really enjoyed. But I’m happy to put the episodes in three broad categories.

      Really Great Episodes: First Date, Seduction, Break Up, Cougars, Tom Sawyer, DeLorean, Santa Claus, Best Friend, Lethal Weapon, Broken Heart, First Kill, Colonel

      Good Episodes: Fat Lady, Gravitron, Suburbs, Predator, Dream Job, Ring

      Weaker Episodes: Ex, Sensei, Third Dimension, Beefcake

      There was some change to this list related to our current full re-watch, but admittedly, not huge change.
      But I would say Fat Lady moved up a notch; while Ring and Third Dimension each moved down a step (Ring is damaged almost wholly because of greater context issues, I sort of hated to mark it down, some truly great moments in it, but I was not able to enjoy it as much I had in the past). Ex, Beefcake and Sensei I enjoyed more than I expected to, but the issues I have that cause me to mark them down still bothered me a lot.

      • mr2686 says:

        Dave, that’s a great list. We do seem, as we did for season one, to have some flip flopped ep’s. On episodes like Best Friend, Lethal Weapon, Broken Heart and First Kill each have one or two things in them that have always brought them down (although First Kill has less of that but less really over the top stuff to bring it up too much for me) but they also have some really good stuff to off set them a bit. As I wrote before, almost all of those have taken major jumps for me on this rewatch. This is about the 8th or 9th rewatch for me (I always watch them in order) and I must say that some of these episodes still surprise me how good they still are. Ring was sooo good, and that’s saying a lot considering that it follows The Colonel, and both Cougars and DeLorean just blew me away (as always). Those two are so close in my book, and I’m already wondering where Wedding Planner will fit around those two.

      • atcDave says:

        I usually don’t watch the whole season in order. This most recent re-watch was probably the first time I had done so since shortly after S2 ended. I more often cherry pick my favorites.
        I do agree Ring has some significantly good moments, and the period covering the two weddings is one of my favorite sequences ever. But the greater context of the series now just annihilates/destroys/obliterates so much that was awesome about the episode and Sarah’s big decision that it actually left me more angry than satisfied. So Ring my be one of the few episodes I’ve ever marked down due to nothing within the episode itself!
        Third Dimension I actually enjoyed when it first ran. I liked much of the comedy and I was soooo happy the seven week break was over. But in hindsight, Chuck is so whiney and annoying in much of this episode. I really dislike whiney Chuck. On re-watch, I felt this problem was so bad I could barely enjoy the episode at all.

        I also noticed I marked several of the big Orion arc episodes in the second grouping. Although I enjoyed the arc immensely at the time, I think more serialized episodes just don’t hold up well over time. Too much of their energy is spent on things that aren’t paid off for a while yet. I much prefer re-watching episodes that are more self contained. Those are the more timeless episodes to me, and the ones I more easily will sit and watch on an evening with nothing new to watch.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Wow, I’m not even going to try to do a first to last list. I’ll have to check when I get home, but my gut tells me that my iTunes will say (based on most watched) that First Date, Seduction, Cougars, Tom Sawyer, Fat Lady, DeLorean, Santa Claus, Best Friend, Predator, Colonel and Ring make up my top-tier with only Sensei, First Kill and perhaps Gravitron and Broken Heart coming in near the bottom. Though granted those episodes also have some of my favorite scenes but there was usually some stupid stick I needed to grasp that took them from awesome to OK.

      • atcDave says:

        First Kill and Broken Heart are both episodes that make my very best list on the strength of a fairly specific sequence. Although both episodes are overall very funny which always plays well with me. But First Kill, all the way from the big Fulcrum shoot out to “Take off your watch” has about the best last 15 minutes I’ve ever seen on television. (Of course “take off your watch” is among those epic moments I find grossly undermined, even ruined by S3).
        Broken Heart likewise has terrific end. From the bank vault scene to Stephen’s trailer, just a terrific last 10 minutes.

      • mr2686 says:

        The problem with First Kill for me is the 28 minutes leading up to those last 15 minutes. Not that those 28 are bad, but with the exception of a few things with Uncle Bernie (Chuck flashes on him and it show documents that he’s a killer etc,, and then shows him eating a 96oz steak in an eating contest…that was really funny) the in-between was kind of a flat line…not bad, not great, it just was.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Hmm. I looked at my iTunes counts and other than Fat Lady being the most watched by far and Sensei and Beefcake coming in very low, the rest are remarkably even in the high teens low twenties. Of course that only counts re-watched from my computer, not my DVD’s.

      • mr2686 says:

        Geez, put Sarah in the shower and some guys will watch that episode over and over again 🙂

      • atcDave says:

        You say that like its a bad thing…

      • mr2686 says:

        That’s NEVER a bad thing 🙂 By the way, I wanted to mention that my 10-13 (and maybe even 14 in the future) are kind of a block in that they’re pretty much rated equal, so I can easily see any of them being number 10 on any given day, especially Break Up since it has Anna beating up on a, at the time, future football hall of famer…shut up Ms. Wu!!

  14. mr2686 says:

    I understand what you’re saying. Although whiney Chuck doesn’t bother me so much (another reason why I probably have 3D much higher than you) I do understand that sometimes there’s just things that you can’t quite get over in an episode. In Best Friend, I’ve always had a problem with Chuck throwing Morgan under the bus as a stalker. In Dream Job, the jumping on stage was painful to me. In Broken Heart, I really keep rooting for Sarah to kick Agent Forrest’s ass. I really don’t like her character at all. With that said, all three of those episodes watched much better this time around mainly because I felt that those parts I disliked seemed like they took up only a small amount of time (except for Agent Forrest, but that episode is saved by the laughing gas scene).
    On my two least favorite (Ex and Gravitron), Chuck just acts too stupid in regards to Jill. With Ex, the only thing that saves that whole episode is the last 10 minutes (pucker up Casey), and with Gravitron it’s almost painful to have Chuck yell at Sarah not to hurt Jill (after all she’s done to him so far). Aghhhhh.

    • atcDave says:

      Well no doubt I cringe at almost everything involving Jill, but I think Sarah so completely owns Fat Lady and Gravitron I thoroughly enjoy both episodes for her alone. Although I also really like how/when Chuck finally busts Jill.

      I also would have liked to see Sarah bust up Forrest. She really is a pretty stupid agent, sort of the female Shaw! But oh my, the laughing gas scene is one of the funniest things they ever did. Raises an average episode to one of the best for me.

      I actually liked Chuck’s treatment of Morgan in Best Friend; I mean, Morgan WAS being a creepy stalker. And Chuck outing him saved his life. I liked pretty much everything about that episode.

      Overall, I think Ex is my single least favorite of the season, so we’re in complete agreement there. And for external reasons I knock Ring down a notch. But otherwise, most of your top choices are also on my best list.

      • mr2686 says:

        You’re probably right about Best Friend. It might be more that I’m miffed that they wrote Morgan that way. I know there’s a lot of people that like Morgan the least, but I felt for the most part that the writers wrote the Morgan character much better after the first few episodes (I just throw out the pilot version of Morgan because he’s not fully formed in my book). Much the same way, I think they developed Casey much better after the pilot, although with Casey I think it was more a development of his character (starting to like Chuck) that helped, starting with Tango.
        I agree Sarah was great in Fat Lady (another one that has moved up the ladder for me) and with scenes like Casey breaking in to a perfect high C pitch to unlock the puzzle box, and the crawling through the air shaft while the phone was on to Jill, it is much easier for me to overlook Jill in general. Unfortunately, Ex and Gravitron don’t have that luxury.

  15. mr2686 says:

    I’ve finally finished my re-watch of season 3 (wanting to take a small break after Honeymooners to allow the back 5 to breath a bit) and not surprisingly the top episodes and the bottom episodes are fairly consistent with the poll. A couple of things I’ve noticed this time around is that although I always defend the misery arc (and still do) when the main episodes of the arc are compared to the rest of season 3, the overall parts of those episodes are a bit lacking. I still like the episodes and have no problems re-watching them (although I started watching Chuck from the beginning, I wasn’t involved with all the “Save Chuck” or Charah stuff so I don’t have that baggage, they have one or more parts that seem to be lacking, whether it be the Chuck/Sarah connection, a good Buy More story, etc etc.
    I also found that episodes like Tooth and Role Models, which I have always thought were weaker episodes, took a big upturn this time around. I really like them both quite well now, and I’m not sure if it’s because I took a little break after Honeymooners, but now those are not having to follow one of the best Chuck episodes of all time. Also, on re-watch, it looks like I like Nacho Sampler, First Class, and Three Words a bit more than the poll.
    I’d like to hear your comments on where you individually place these episodes as well.

    1. Chuck vs The Honeymooners
    2. Chuck vs The Ring: Part II
    3. Chuck vs The Subway
    4. Chuck vs The Other Guy
    5. Chuck vs The Beard
    6. Chuck vs The Tic Tac
    7. Chuck vs Operation Awesome
    8. Chuck vs The Angel de la Muerte
    9. Chuck vs The Three Words
    10. Chuck vs The Living Dead
    11. Chuck vs The Nacho Sampler
    12. Chuck vs First Class
    13. Chuck vs The Tooth
    14. Chuck vs The Roll Models
    15. Chuck vs The American Hero
    16. Chuck vs The Final Exam
    17. Chuck vs The Pink Slip
    18. Chuck vs The Fake Name
    19. Chuck vs The Mask

    • atcDave says:

      Well our rank orders aren’t really that hugely different. Most of the episodes I really can’t stand are in your bottom five, I do like all of your better ranked episodes. There’s maybe a few more variations in the middle, and of course the episodes I don’t like I really passionately dislike.

      But I’ll say for starters, Honeymooners is just an awesome episode. In a class of its own. Especially for S3.

      Other strong episodes for me are Angel of Death, Operation Awesome, Tic Tac, Other Guy, Role Models.

      My remaining good episodes would be Beard, Tooth, Living Dead, Subway, Ring 2. I have a few gripes with those last four episodes, but they play much better together than they do individually.

      American Hero I can watch, but I consider it weak.

      Three Words was a pretty good episode by itself, and I liked it when it first ran. But the later misery arc has rendered it unwatchable to me. It’s now among my hated episodes.

      The others I’ve always loathed, Pink Slip, First Class, Nacho Sampler, Mask, Fake Name, Final Exam. Those are just poison to me.

      • Jason says:

        Me too Dave, more or less same list, American Hero moved to the lower list, and Three words up with Beard and such, Role Models a ‘scooch’ (is that a word, or a chucksim?) higher, but basically I’m with you on this.

  16. mr2686 says:

    Although I don’t loathe any of the episodes, I have found that both Mask and Fake Name are, and will always be towards the bottom. Maybe it’s too much Shaw by that time, or maybe it’s that those two episodes are not well rounded, I’m not sure yet. As for First Class and Nacho, I do like both of those quite a bit. I think they both have enough of the good stuff to help them along (the laser/knife pen in Nacho, and the Chuck/Panser scenes in First Class).
    I did find it interesting that I like both Tooth and Role Models much more this time around. Role Models especially did not seem quite as flat, and again, this may be because I did not watch Honeymooners and Role Models in a quick back to back session. Quite frankly, It’s pretty hard to compare almost any episode with Honeymooners, so the drop off may have seemed exaggerated in the past.

    • atcDave says:

      Ernie commented the other day about “perfect being the enemy of good.” This isn’t quite what he meant, but it seems to fit here too. Almost any episode following Honeymooners will suffer in comparison!

      • mr2686 says:

        I agree with that. Even a good middle of the pack episode is going to look just fair if it followed Honeymooners. One thing about Honeymooners (and some other top episodes) is that they started out fantastic and still reach those heights and beyond, even after multiple re-watches.

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    Personally I would swap The Fake Name and the Baby around! I thought the Fake Name was a funny episode where as Baby was a stretch beyond belief to say the least..

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