Season 4.5 Spoiler Page 4.14-4.24

Sepinwall podcast about back 11 and 411, 412, 413:

4.14 Chuck Versus The Seduction Impossible

Writers: Chris Fedak and Kristen Newman

Director: Patrick R. Norris

Guest Stars: John Larroquette, Lesley-Ann Brandt

Spoilers:
Roan Montgomery returns. Ernie frets that there is the serious threat to the Duck relationship brewing!

Synopsis: 02/07/2011 (08:00PM – 09:00PM) (Monday) : THE TEAM JETS TO MOROCCO TO SAVE ONE OF THEIR OWN — JOHN LARROQUETTE RETURNS AS ‘ROAN MONTGOMERY’ — LINDA HAMILTON AND MEKENNA MELVIN ALSO GUEST STAR — In need of an exciting new mission, Chuck (Zachary Levi), Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) and Casey (Adam Baldwin) are sent to Morocco to rescue Roan Montgomery (guest star John Larroquette). Meanwhile, Chuck and Sarah are at odds over their future plans. Back at home, Morgan (Joshua Gomez) prepares to meet Alex’s (guest star Mekenna Melvin) mom, as Mary (guest star Linda Hamilton) bonds with her family. Sarah Lancaster, Ryan McPartlin and Bonita Friedericy also star.

Promo:

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4.15 Chuck Versus The Cat Squad

Writer: Nicholas Wootton

Director: Paul Marks

Guest Stars: Lou Diamond Phillips, Mini Anden

Spoilers: Update via BuddyTV:  “Episode 15 of the season, “Chuck vs. the Cat Squad,” will have a particularly great villain — played by none other than Lou Diamond Phillips. Since the episode already features an homage to Charlie’s Angels and the return of DEA Agent Carina (Mini Anden), the newly-announced guest villain can only make things even more awesome.”

Ausiello tells us that Lou Diamond Phillips guest stars as the VoW (Villain of the Week).

Short Synopsis: After Chuck reunites Sarah with her former spy team, old grudges and secrets are revealed; Morgan fends off the advances of a former flame.

Long Synopsis: 02/14/2011 (08:00PM – 09:00PM) (Monday) : CHUCK INVITES TROUBLE WHEN HE REUNITES SARAH WITH HER OLD SPY TEAM – LOU DIAMOND PHILLIPS, MINI ANDEN AND MEKENNA MELVIN GUEST STAR – Chuck (Zachary Levi) surprises Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) with her old spy team, The C.A.T. Squad, leading to a mission in Rio. As The C.A.T. Squad works to settle a score with Augusto Gaez (guest star Lou Diamond Phillips), old secrets and grudges come to light. Back at the Buy More, Morgan fends off the advances of Carina, a former flame and frisky member of The C.A.T Squad. Adam Baldwin, Sarah Lancaster and Bonita Friedericy also star.

Promo:

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4.16 Chuck vs the Masquerade

Please note: This title was changed. Formally, this episode was known as Chuck vs. The First Mate.

Writers:
Rafe Judkins and Lauren LeFranc

Director:
Patrick Norris

Guest Stars: Lauren Cohan, Robin Givens, Sonya Macari (as Antonia), Ray Wise (as Volkoff’s devilish lawyer)

Spoilers:
From Adam at Spoiler TV, we have some news about who they’re looking for:

Major Recurring Guest Star Alert! Vivian, who’s beautiful, charming & intelligent. She’s an Oxford University Historian and is perhaps mistaken when she thinks her fathers an oil tycoon. coughcriminalmastermindcough. Intriguingly, the actress needs to be able to ride horses.
Also featuring is Boris, an international assassin. Apparently we’re supposed to be thinking ‘Clive Owen’ when we see him.

Copied From: http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/01/adams-tv-teasers-issue-5-spoilertv.html#ixzz1AfK6zcvd

There’s a bit more exclusively at ChuckTV, too! Thanks to AlladinsGenie4U and Uplink2 for the tips!

From Chuck TV.net, casting news!

Supernatural alum Lauren Cohan has landed the role of Vivian, an Oxford grad student who’s father is (unbeknownest to her) a criminal mastermind. Vivian is a beautiful, charming socialite who will play a major role in an unknown number of episodes.

From Matt Mitovich:

The location we’re at is doubling for a British manor. It’s a masquerade party (Ep 16) where we meet Robin Givens’ character.

Synopsis:
With thanks to Uplink and his post on Chucktv.net:

A ROMANTIC VALENTINE’S DAY IS INTERRUPTED WHEN THE TEAM IS SENT ON A MISSION TO A MASQUERADE BALL IN ENGLAND – MEKENNA MELVIN, ROBIN GIVENS AND LAUREN COHAN GUEST STAR – Valentine’s Day is interrupted when Chuck (Zachary Levi) and the team are sent on a mission to England to protect a reclusive young heiress, Vivian McArthur (guest star Lauren Cohan). Meanwhile, Casey (Adam Baldwin) gets an offer from the mysterious Jane Bentley (guest star Robin Givens). Back at home, Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) and Awesome (Ryan McPartlin) find an unlikely solution to a parenting problem, as Morgan (Joshua Gomez) ponders a big move. Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay, Mark Christopher Lawrence and Bonita Friedericy also star.

Promo:

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4.17 Chuck vs. The First Bank of Evil

Writers:

Director:

Guest Stars: Lauren Cohan, Ray Wise

Spoilers:

Synopsis:
(Short version): From Spoilter TV:
Chuck encourages Vivian (Lauren Cohan) to get in touch with her inner villain for a mission; Morgan’s search for a new roommate has unexpected results.

And the long version:
CHUCK AND SARAH PLAN THE ULTIMATE HEIST AT A HIGH-SECURITY BANK—LAUREN COHAN AND RAY WISE GUEST STAR—Chuck (Zachary Levi) pushes Vivian McArthur (guest star Lauren Cohan) to get in touch with her inner villain for a mission. Elsewhere, Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) tries to get in touch with her inner bride as wedding plans ramp up. Meanwhile, Morgan’s (Joshua Gomez) search for a new roommate takes an unexpected turn. Adam Baldwin, Sarah Lancaster, Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay, Mark Christopher Lawrence and Bonita Friedericy also star.

Taken from: SpoilerTV http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/02/chuck-episode-417-chuck-versus-first_10.html#ixzz1DaXeBd8w

Promo:
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4.18 Chuck vs. The A Team

Writers: Phil Klemmer

Director: Kevin Mock

Guest Stars: Robin Givens, Stacy Keibler, Isaiah Mustafa, Timur Kocak, Jon Sklaroff

Spoilers:
Mel at Chuck TV points us to Ausiello and TV Guide with these spoilers about General Beckman’s frenemy, Bentley.

Question: Chuck fanatic here. Got any more details about Robin Givens’ new boss lady character? —Patti
Ausiello: NCS agent Jane Bentley “is there to offer Casey an opportunity to set up a new team, a new operation,” explains Givens, who debuts on the NBC comedy next week. “It’s an offer that’s somewhat enticing and would shake things up… He wants to keep her at arm’s length, but she’s coming to him at a time when it’s hard for him to just dismiss what she has to offer.”

Any new missions coming up on Chuck? — Frankie
NATALIE: Much to the chagrin of Chuck and Sarah, Casey is going to be enticed away from Team Intersect by Bentley (Robin Givens), General Beckman’s frenemy. “She presents him with things he knows are true: This has been your longest assignment; your team doesn’t need you anymore,” Givens tells us. “You were the best sharpshooter and now you’re bartending; you’re doing paperwork. So she presents him with an offer that he can’t say no to.” Two of his new team members include past GRETAs Stacy Keibler and Isaiah Mustafa, whose real names will be revealed.

Synopsis:
ChuckTV and Spoiler TV have the short synopsis:

Chuck and Sarah suspect Casey is carrying out private missions; Chuck fears the CIA’s new operatives will render him obsolete; Morgan settles in with a new roommate; Awesome becomes uncomfortable with Ellie’s research.

…and the full synopsis:

CHUCK FEARS THAT CASEY HAS A SECRET THAT MAY SPLIT UP THE TEAM — ROBIN GIVENS, STACY KEIBLER AND ISAIAH MUSTAFA GUEST STAR –Chuck (Zachary Levi) and Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) investigate when they suspect that Casey (Adam Baldwin) is carrying out private missions. Meanwhile, Chuck fears that the CIA’s seemingly-perfect new operatives (guest stars Isaiah Mustafa and Stacy Keibler) will render him obsolete. Elsewhere, Morgan settles in with a new roommate, and Awesome (Ryan McPartlin) panics when Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) embarks on a potentially dangerous line of research. Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay and Bonita Friedericy.

Promo:

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Also, here’s a great new promo with Josh Gomez and Isaiah Mustafa.

4.19 Chuck vs. The Muuurder

Writers: Kristin Newman and Alex Katsnelson

Director: Allan Kroeker

Guest Stars: Robin Givens

Spoilers:

Yes, Muuurder is spelled with 3 u’s and 2 r’s. With a H/T to Alladinsgenie4U, Chris Fedak talks to The Insider at EW.

“We’ve always wanted to do a murder mystery, so we’re working on an episode right now where something terrible happens to someone down in Castle and Chuck and Co. are given the Sherlockian job of figuring out who the murder is,” Fedak tells EW exclusively. “So we’re working on our own spy version of a chamber piece.”

Synopsis:

Mel at Chuck TV.net and our own Bundy report that Adam at Spoiler TV.com has this short synopsis for Episode 4.19 (I’m still looking, but I haven’t found it there yet):

Lewis, a star hacker by age 14, is now a British Ops Tactical Officer and described as a thin, bespectacled man. Josie is a young woman with a scary sense of intuition described “pretty in a serious way” (I’m thinking librarian).

From NBC-U Media Village, the full synopsis:

03/21/2011 (08:00PM – 09:00PM) (Monday) : WHEN A SPY IS MURDERED IN CASTLE, IT’S UP TO Chuck TO FIGURE OUT “WHO DONE IT” – ROBIN GIVENS GUEST STARS – Chuck (Zachary Levi) is put in charge of a top-priority mission, but his leadership skills are pushed to the limit when there is a murder in Castle. Meanwhile, Awesome (Ryan McPartlin) takes on a mission of his own when Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) finds an alarming new hobby. Elsewhere, Morgan’s (Joshua Gomez) leadership is also tested when his Buy More troops wage war against Large Mart. Yvonne Strahovski, Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay, Mark Christopher Lawrence and Bonita Friedericy also star.

The dead body – is Chuck’s. And Chuck’s. And Chuck’s.

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1,043 Responses to Season 4.5 Spoiler Page 4.14-4.24

  1. thinkling says:

    11 days until ep 11.

    I don’t know if this a repeat. If it is … sorry. There is some information, not a whole lot new, but if you’re like me, any Chuck news is welcome about now.

    Check out the Chuck news and spoilers here.

  2. uplink2 says:

    More from Mel at Chuck TV:

    I’ve got more intel on this ep: Casey is being courted by the National Clandestine Service, and they’re not taking no for an answer.

    BTW is there a specific location to discuss spoilers on this site?

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Uplink

      There are a lot of fans here who avoid the spoilers Check out the top right hand corner of the blog page. You will find a thread dedicated to spoilers from upcoming episodes 4×14 to 4×24. Truth be told the above spoiler for 4×16 should have gone there.

  3. alladinsgenie4u says:

    There is a latest spoiler for 4×16 going around. Can you guys update the thread. Here’s the link

    http://bit.ly/f3eAqD

    and another – http://bit.ly/hkDVlj

    • joe says:

      Many thanks, Genie! I think this is the first we’ve seen of the title, too.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      There’s been an update on the 4×16 spoiler. The actress who is going to be playing Vivian is Lauren Cohan. Robin Givens also guest stars in some episodes as someone who has an intriguing offer for Casey.

      http://bit.ly/exP0pL

  4. Faith says:

    SPOILER ALERT! STAY AWAY! 😀

    Sepinwall’s podcast is up. I’ve transcribed what I’ve found to be the most notable parts…sorry Ernie, looks like Duck is doomed.

    What to look forward to the 2nd half of the season versus the first half:
    Episode 13 being such a big episode…We come to 11 and you’re going to be amazed at how fast we’re going into the story, how progressively…It’s a really exciting set of episodes, not only on the kind of spy things, but also on the relationships but also in the Chuck and Sarah relationship. Even in the teaser, the first episode back you’ll see things moving hopefully quickly, excitingly, and hopefully finally.

    The last 10 minutes of episode 13 is the best 10 minutes of the Chuck ever. Best 10 minutes of the show ever.

    After episode 13 we’re pretty much coasting, almost on our own world.

    What does the extra episodes do for you:
    It does a lot…like we talked about before, essentially you have a structure for 13 episodes so you fill it kind of with a good story, so with more you have to reboot the story. You can go into avenues you didn’t have before.

    Getting into some supporting characters that you otherwise wouldn’t room for ordinarily. Let’s explore Lester Patel’s heart…that’s not something we would normally prioritize if we had 13 episodes.

    I’d also like to see what’s happening with Roan Montgomery and Diane Beckman. There are so many things we wanted to do, thought about that we couldn’t.

    Did I mention the last 10 minutes of episode 13? I don’t want to say anything because what we say…

    Will be analyzed, scrutinized.

    (Re: last 10 minutes) I will say for fans that have been on the ride, will be very satisfied.

    Were you guys surprised about the reaction to Chuck vs. the Phase 3?

    I think so. Yeah. You mean that people liked it? Yeah, it was an out of, an unusually episode of the show…an out of pocket kind of episode on a lot of different fronts. Usually when you do something different you do it in one side of the show. This one Sarah’s the star of show and Chuck was in Lala land. We thought on the first time on the watch, there’s a lot of changes here.

    Will that inform anything that happened in the back 11:

    (Jokingly) Yes we’re going to see Sarah kick ass in Cambodia.

    I think if anything it reaffirms what an amazing actor Yvonne is.

    If anything it shows that Chuck has characters that should really be characters of their own shows.

    Remember that fan art we chose, that was an easter egg! That was an early clue of what the season was going to be.

    Homage?

    There will be a female counterpart for that (couch lock).

    There will be a Charlie’s angels like, with Sarah’s old team.

    We’re working on an Agatha Christie murder mystery…Murder on an Orient Express.

    RE: Mary and Volkoff and sex:

    (Paraphrasing) It’s not like he’s abstained (as in he’s slept with other women) but she’s held him off. For 20 years. She’s also his enforcer so it’s more than just the relationship.

    Chuck loses the intersect, his mom buried the intersect. “Your father didn’t want you to see this” We know Stephen didn’t want Chuck to have the intersect and didn’t want him to be a spy. What did she mean by that? If she’s using a device to take it away from him.

    In that moment, the reason she finds the suppression device in Dad’s batcave so that he has hidden it away inside the lair at some point thinks he know Chuck’s gotten the intersect. She is operating after that Chuck’s dad didn’t want him to have the intersect in his head but after last season…

    Is the intersect he got back the same he got before? Or is there something different that what Ellie…

    The first thing, the device is a suppression. It didn’t wipe the intersect in his head. Second part, is there something’s that different that his dad computer’s loaded something, added something new, different? Perhaps.

    I’ll say 3 things:
    1. We were only breaking the season for 13 episodes. So there was a structure.
    2. One of the things we’re really interested is what makes Chuck special isn’t the fact that he’s got the intersect, it’s also the Chuck solution. It’s what we’re working on right now…The Chuck solution is still part of the show, the fact that the guy isn’t a superspy. Chuck thinks sideways, it’s the reason why he’s a Superman.
    3. Third thing I didn’t have.

    Can’t they ever just be happy Chris?
    First off if you have a significant other, when has it ever ever been just happy? Ride into the sunset, happy? That sounds like an ending, to me these are two people that are so different from each other that they disagree with each other but they love each other and they work it out together. In some ways it’s a relationship that they’re always working on if we ever get to the point where it’s in a New England garden and they never fight, they never talk to each other…that sounds like a really boring tale. There’s a certain amount of conflict, because they’re two different people. (Even in Honeymooners) they’re still disagreeing.

    JS: Are you asking us to do a show without conflict?

    Sepinwall: Yes.

    So who else is coming back?

    Roan. Carina.

    Is there any old friends you’re hoping to bring back that you haven’t had the opportunity to bring back?

    We got a lot of old friends coming back. All the people we talked about.

    • thinkling says:

      🙂 🙂 🙂

    • thinkling says:

      OK Faith, what do you make of all this?

      • Faith says:

        Sorry thinkling, it’s an especially long podcast and I’m still listening to it and transcribing certain notable parts that I missed your comment! 😀

        I think they’ve learned their lesson. Let Fedak talk, give Schwartz the sarcasm. It’s so much better for our peace of mind as fans!

      • thinkling says:

        No problem. It sounds so hopeful.

        Can’t Wait

    • joe says:

      Someone there, Feinberg or Sepinwall or SOMEBODY has my number! That little bit of opening music was The Beach Boy’s God Only Knows. That song was used in my favorite episode of The Wonder Years, when I, uh, Kevin watches that little brunette with the long straight hair that I, uh, Kevin, pined after in 9th grade leave for another school.

      Aaaarrrggg! Perfect!

      Great find, Faith! Thanks.

      • Faith says:

        The find was easy, the transcribing a PITA. What I do for love…LOL. Welcome 🙂

        Oh and Thinkling, love the timer! I especially can’t wait for the last 10 minutes they pimped out so much. We need a timer for that too lol.

      • atcDave says:

        Thanks for transcribing Faith! I really hate listening.

      • thinkling says:

        I kept trying to find a way to embed one, but WordPress doesn’t let.

        That was my next best option

      • joe says:

        Can’t thank you enough for all the work, Faith!

    • atcDave says:

      This is all seriously exciting. It seems they think we’ll like the end of 4.13!!!

    • uplink2 says:

      Interesting podcast but difficult to really listen to. Could they learn to edit please? I don’t need to hear the banter and the audio left a lot to be desired.

      I’m intrigued by much of it and found the fact that when they were talking about growth for the show they neglected to mention season 3 lol. I am not happy with the answer to the PSP laptop question. They really tried to explain it without explaining it. I don’t buy the whole she wanted to suppress it and Papa B didn’t. At least we know there are enhancements but the PSP part really didn’t make sense.

      • atcDave says:

        PSP = plot device

        They’ve been been trying to ignore S3 since before it ended (remember the “we’re already past that” line?). I think they even realize reusing Shaw in S3.5 was a mistake (not a huge one, it just makes completely ignoring S3 a little bit harder).
        But seriously they haven’t wanted to talk S3 since last February.

      • uplink2 says:

        But what was the device for? So we could get FOD and Phase Three? If so it seems odd from the Mary dialogue part. I still don’t get why she would want to suppress it in him and make him more vulnerable. The story of not wanting him to follow her makes no sense.

      • atcDave says:

        I don’t think her comment meant anything at all. She said that only so Chuck would look. I doubt anyone expected the line to be scrutinized as it has been.
        And yeah, deactivating the Intersect made little sense except for the throw away excuse Mary gave in Leftovers. It was a plot device contrived entirely to set up the missing Intersect arc.

        Their vague answers convince me of that.

      • thinkling says:

        I agree with that, Dave. It was just a “made you look” tactic. I would like to think there is some reason beyond to keep him from following me, but I seriously doubt it. PPD – pure plot device.

      • JC says:

        ARGH, that PSP answer was lame its like they don’t even watch their own show sometimes. Sorry had to vent.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah JC, there’s been no shortage of those kind of moments. The scary thing is I recognized it as such from the start. You know what they say about great minds? I wonder if us dim bulbs all think alike too?!

      • JC says:

        I know Dave but little things like that drive me crazy. If they would’ve had Mary say “I’m sorry I have to do this to you” there wouldn’t be an issue.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC

        That’s TPTB trying to create a mystery out of thin air. When in doubt, confuse. 🙂

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        And they resort to such throwaway lines in spite of knowing very well that Chuck fans scrutinize and analyze even the smallest gesture.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Thanks a ton for your effort. Everyone across the fandom appreciates it. 🙂

    • uplink2 says:

      One part that you missed that is important especially with the casting announcements.

      Bad guys have families too.

      • James Bond says:

        Sepinwall the shipper that never tries to hide it! I love that Alan is such a romantic and always wants chuck and sarah just happy!

    • jason says:

      Chuck versus the best ten minutes of chuck ever? For those who have been along for the ride all along, this will make it worthwhile – what can that even mean?

      • Faith says:

        My bet’s on a C/S wedding Jason. That’s what I consider to be the best that Chuck can give…at this point ;-).

      • jason says:

        faith – seriously – if so the set has closed all leaks, that would have been shot back in late November, would have been no spoilers, no promo, no nothing, I don’t think 4×13 is a sweeps week or anything, I still think the engagement is on the table, has not been shot yet, my guess is TPTB are trying to hold out until 4×24, but are trying to gauge how much outrage it will generate – if they get married in 4×13 and never have a serious PLI again, I will never say a bad word about TPTB again, including season 3 – I PROMISE – and I know you take others word seriously

      • Faith says:

        It has been suspiciously silent from November on…I don’t think that was a coincidence.

        Sure we got photos of Yvonne in black leather but that’s for 412…everything else has been mum.

        And even today all most of the talk has been post 413, except for that last 10 minutes so who knows lol. All spec on my part but that’s honestly the best that I can think of. May end up disappointed, may end up over-reaching but great for anticipation.

        Either that or PapaB is really alive and reunites with MamaB but considering ScottB is an even bigger leak possibility I seriously doubt it.

        LOL, not another bad word eh? That’s a lotttt to give, even I use bad words about certain things on occasion! haha.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I wouldn’t promise that JC!

        Are you seriously specing wedding in 4.13 Faith?

        I was still thinking engagement for 4.11; but the 4.13 comment has me thinking they’ll put it off until then. If you’re right Faith it would be one of the shortest engagements in network history. I think even Max and 99 were engaged for 1/3 of the season.

      • herder says:

        I don’t need to go that far yet, the one I’m intrigued by at the moment is Balcony. I get a bit of the feel that we had when Best Friend was coming up, little promotion, moved around, the sense was that it wasn’t TPTB’s favorite because almost no leaks then suddenly wow! Exciting episode, Chuck blowing up, Sarah crushed, Jeffster’s Africa (try and remember your reaction the first time you saw Lester sing) and holding hands at the end.

        I don’t think that there is anything that we know about this episode other than what is contained in the synopsis, the restaurant scene in the promo and Casey the waiter. Other than that it’s a blank slate.

      • atcDave says:

        You’re right about that Herder. We knew nothing about Best Friend and it was one of the best episodes ever.

        I’m excited about Balcony too; but it is hard when you really don’t know what to be excited over.

      • Faith says:

        Always thought you didn’t care for spoilers Herder 🙂

        Yes Dave I am indeed predicting a wedding in the last 10 minutes. Per the IGN interview 4.14 will be honeymooner-esque in that it picks up where the stakes were so charged from the finale-esque. What better way to have a honeymooner-esque than with an actual honeymoon. Though Roan will be superfluous lol.

        Last point: wow I didn’t even consider a possibility of bestfriend pt 2. Thanks for that Herder. Not sure I see it here exactly (based on the teaser comment)…but it’s not unlikely.

      • thinkling says:

        I would be surprised at a wedding in 13 or 14, just because I would think they would want to milk it.

        I’m still avoiding the “E” word, but the interview looks hopeful for 11 … “you’ll see things moving hopefully quickly, excitingly, and hopefully finally.” At least in the original 13.

      • uplink2 says:

        I really don’t see a wedding till at least 4.24 Chuck VS The Ring Pt 3 because of 2 words. Jack Burton. Great way to finish off this season and possibly the series. Go for it and there are so many things they could still do if they get a season 5.

        But a wedding without the return of Jack Cole would really bother me so I don’t see it with the returning guest stars that follow. Their stories may be to try and talk Chuck and Sarah out of marriage for a little while though I think there is a very touching Carina/Sarah scene coming. But Jack will be back to walk Sarah down the aisle or at least I hope so. DeLorean is still one of my top 5 from season 2.

      • herder says:

        Faith, great work on transcribing the interview, a labour of love that I would not have the patience or skill to do, thank you.

        My view on spoilers is kind of odd, don’t mind synopsises or interviews as they are designed to tempt without giving too much away. I prefer written to clips as part of the fun is how these actors show what is happening. I guess that my view is some, but not too much.

        As to the engagement, I’m still at Valentines day, but less sure about it than I was yesterday. I am intrigued about the “best 10 minutes” teaser. What would be the existing best 10 minutes: the doomed first wedding in Ring, Sarah’s fight through to “Africa” in Best Friend, Ellie leading the rescue/escape in Ring Part II, Chuck assaulting Roark Industries in Dream Job, Sarah on a rampage in Phase Three, the last 10 minutes of Suburbs, the first 10 minutes of Colonel. I like all of them and they are a pretty high bar for Push Mix to top.

      • JC says:

        I rather like the idea of an elopement in the final ten minutes. It allows them to double dip with a real wedding down the line if they want. Both characters are impulsive when it comes to each other, so it would be in character. Dragging it out at this point makes no sense, so why not do it and move on to other stories. And finally the reactions of everyone else to the scenario. Can you imagine Ellie, Casey, Carina, Morgan etc finding out they got married without telling anyone.

      • Sarge_87 says:

        I’m still sticking to my spec that while everyone has tears in their eyes after Ellie and Awesome’s baby arrives, it will be then when Chuck proposes to Sarah being ready to take that next step to start their own family. Let the waterworks resume.

      • jason says:

        it is hard to equate best ten minutes of chuck ever with something not related to a CS proposal or wedding, but if the frost queen story in 4×1’s first 60 seconds comes true, and the king is saved, the castle is restored and the frost queen is a hero once more, never to leave her family again, and then awesomette is born, I can see where TPTB will THINK that is the best ever,

        as others have said, I just don’t think TPTB get the fans obsession with chuck and sarah, we’ll see, hope you guys are all correct, I think TPTB are sadistic by nature toward CS, and the engagement may not occur until 4×24, I do think they will take the temperature of the room after 4×13 thru 4×15, and see just how angry everyone is – you can tell from their answer about happy CS, TPTB don’t see any joy in their show, they use their show to bait, tease, torture their fanbase for 95% of the show to give a few minutes of joy, it is no wonder every time the show starts to gain momentum, it goes to (the place where daniel shaw belongs) – again, hope I am wrong

      • atcDave says:

        I do think you’re a little too cynical Jason. I do agree that TPTB don’t quite get how Chuck/Sarah obsessed most of us are, but they get it a lot better than they did at the start of S3. And I don’t think they would mess with the couple that much. Besides, the network is even pushing the engagement/wedding thing now; I really think something will happen no later than 4.13.

        But I do agree they may be thinking Orion and Frost being reunited counts as best 10 minutes ever. I just don’t think that means no engagement, we could see both (except my money is still on Orion staying dead).

      • jason says:

        dave – 2 things

        I am a huge packer fan, as you are a bears fan, my engagement / TPTB cynicism is like me placing a $50 bet on the bears to beat the packers, if the pack wins, I would be estatic, if I win 50 bucks, I’d still be pissed, but have a little consolation … if this engagement thing drags on and on and on, I will be able to say I told you so, if not, I will be cheering right along side everyone – again – I don’t think TPTB want to have happy fans, I honestly don’t think that is how their minds work

        2 – just in case faith’s wedding spec is correct, I vowed to be nice about TPTB forever, hence, I gotta get any pent up anger out

        A 3rd comment – am I the only one who thinks this way? Schwartz should not give interviews, I have left each one of his feeling, lets just say underwhelmed?

      • atcDave says:

        I agree Schwartz should not give interviews, I pretty much always feel depressed about the prospects of the show when he opens his mouth.

        I get the lowering your expectations thing, I just really have a good feeling about things right now. And hey, how about a Bears/Packers match up for the NFC title; oh man that HAS to happen! I’m so excited about it, your Packers better do their end against the Falcons tonight! If the Bears can’t handle the Seahawks at home on Sunday they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs anyway.

      • JC says:

        If it’s just an engagement during those last ten minutes that’s pretty underwhelming IMO. They’ve pretty much telegraphed the proposal is coming, so I don’t know how that can be considered the best ten minutes. Now them getting eloped that would throw most fans for a loop.

      • atcDave says:

        You might be right JC. I know I’d love it. Amazing thing is how fast this all should happen, Jan. 31 for 4.13! Big couple of weeks coming up.

      • JC says:

        Epic and game changing have pretty much lost all meaning at this point. So when they say best ten minutes of Chuck they better back it up.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I do think they’ve learned though. They may not always have had the pulse of the fan, but they’re slowly but surely learning from their mistakes and working actively to correct them.

        I say that because in this interview alone, Fedak was the figurehead while Schwartz was the second snark. And I think a lot of what was said by Schwartz was sarcasm. Not just in this interview but in seasons past.

    • JC says:

      They were shocked by the reaction to Phase Three? Really? I guess that explains a lot about how they viewed Sarah’s character.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Speaks volumes, doesn’t it?

      • atcDave says:

        It does further verify our suspicions about what they really think of Sarah Walker; specifically, not much. Fans love her far more than TPTB.

      • armysfc says:

        i don’t think its sarahs character so much as the relationship. to me it shows they still don’t get how people feel about the relationship. if you look at like that what is in store for the ep? my guess is lots of action. from my pov except for sarahs outpouring of emotion the ep was a ff put on tv using 4 movies as a base. most of the thai bit was scenes from 4 movies interconnected by a theme. nothing that got me excited.

        as for papa b coming back, fredak has said many times in interviews from the beginning that he is dead and not coming back. could he have lied sure. but lets hope he is up and up or what else did he lie about.

      • JC says:

        I have to disagree, just by the amount of Sarah centric episodes,arcs or back story we’ve gotten compared to Casey or Morgan tells me they underestimated how important she is to the fans. One positive seems to be that they finally get that.

        And I think they know how a majority of people feel about the relationship or they wouldn’t tease so much about it. That’s what gets the fanbase talking in general its certainly not the spy plots.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        That’s what gets the fanbase talking in general its certainly not the spy plots.

        They know fully well that the relationship is the USP of the show.

      • atcDave says:

        I think you guys are right about the draw of the central relationship. But I think they’re slow in recognizing that Sarah is a lot more than eye candy. We will get very excited when Sarah has a more serious part to play. It generates even more excitement than a bikini shot.

      • JC says:

        I think they’re starting to recognize it to Dave. It’s just shocking to me that it took the reaction to Phase Three for it to sink in.

        It’s the same with Chuck. I love the mention of his sideways thinking, that unconventional nature to the ways he solves problems as a spy has been lacking. But then they mention he’s not a superspy and compare him to Superman. Bah, if they’re going to follow any comic character don’t pick the dullest. Maybe by S5 they’ll finally get both characters right.;)

      • Faith says:

        What?! Superman is awesome! Is it the mythology/comic/every other incantation’s fault that BR sucked? 😛

        I seem to recall a similar bemused reaction last season. Except it had to do with the chuckapocalypse and how much they underestimated the fury. I think they live in a bubble half the time. But thankfully it seems as if these new writers don’t. Well they may but they at least seem to see what we do having not been there from the get go and having to see the show much like we have (belated as it may be).

      • JC says:

        Ha, actually BR has nothing to do with it I never liked Superman. The Smallville version isn’t bad since they gone in their own direction. Hearing that made me realize why I have problems with Chuck the character. Its the unbelievability of how they react and certain lines they won’t cross. They don’t come off as real people but as ideals.

      • joe says:

        You know, when I think about it, Schwartz & Fedak always seem to anticipate the direction of the fans reactions quite well. They know when it’s going to be positive and they know when it’s going to be negative, and I’m willing to say that they’re properly creating the reaction.

        It’s the magnitude that seems to take them by surprise.

        I understand underestimating the antipathy for Shaw. But underestimating the love for Sarah? That’s what I got when they discussed Phase Three.

      • uplink2 says:

        I was very surprised at their reaction to the fans love of Phase Three. Again it goes to my main concern sometimes with this show, do they actually even watch what is on the screen or do they only understand the show only from the written word? That is why I like the new writers a lot though. They have learned these characters the same way we have and it shows.

        BTW speaking of not reading things right I have been going back and reading the threads Ernie suggested to me about the misery arc and all of its drama. But it really makes me think about my speculation going forward. Man did a lot of folks get things completely wrong. I was shocked in how many folks thought that Ali Adler was going to save the season and end the PLI crap with the name reveal to Chuck as she always seemed to use her prior storylines in her next episodes. Man people must have been devastated by that disaster of an episode, the only one I truly and completely hate. It certainly wasn’t a traditional Ali episode. I will always wonder about her take on it.

        It just goes to show that it is difficult to see how they are seeing the same things we are at times and the surprise at the reaction to Phase Three boggles my mind a bit. I guess my advice to them is that after each episode is finished in the edit room, WATCH the damn episode! And maybe watch it with someone not so close to it. You might learn what the vast majority of your audience sees that sometimes you don’t.

      • JC says:

        @Joe

        In general I agree but sometimes I think they get tunnel vision. They don’t always consider that what they plan out doesn’t come across on screen or the audience views it completely different.

        And when it comes to Shaw take away all the story elements. I don’t know how they didn’t see Routh’s lack of charisma or chemsitry with Yvonne and the cast.

        The same with Sarah it boggles my mind that they didn’t think the leggy blond who beats people up wouldn’t end being popular. That’s not even taking into account Yvonne’s acting ability,

      • armysfc says:

        jc i disagree with the lack of sarah related arcs or back story bit. phase 3 was the third one this season that for me that leaned heavily towards sarah. suitcase dealt with her not being able to unpack. cubic z dealt with a person from her past and how she used to be. and phase 3 how far she would go for chuck. first fight despite leaning more to chucks side than hers it still had a heavy sarah presence. for me that’s about 30% of season 4 dedicated towards sarah. i see the entire arc from 4.07- 4.09 was put together with sarah in mind. so that puts it at nearly 50% of the season was spent on bringing the hidden sarah out (if that makes sense).

        casey had the couch lock and that’s it for me. as for morgan being chucks best friend forever his story gets told along with chucks. do we really need an episode or two dedicated to him? maybe it’s just me but i think this year they have done a better job of giving each member of team b a chance to shine or their story told.

      • Joeeph (can't be Joe) says:

        What must really shock them is that Phase Three is being called the “signature” episode of the entire series (which I agree) and it has next to no Chuck in it. Talk about an eye opener.

      • atcDave says:

        Uplink, you know most of us are still trying to forget how wrong we were about S3! I remember well all the con theories, it was all just wishful thinking. What a waste of a season.

        Army I think with Sarah most of us would like way more than 30% focusing on her. I would go for 50-70% actually, I sort of wish they’d just called the show “Sarah”…

        On a related note, I think it’s a no brainer to say, if Yvonne is interested, she will have her own action series as soon as Chuck ends (she may prefer to do something other than television or other than action is the only way it doesn’t happen).

      • atcDave says:

        Joe I’m not not so sure about your assertion that Schwedak get the direction of fan response all that well. They’ve managed to create a product many of us are passionate about, but I think they’re often clueless as to why. Remember between S2 and S3 all the talk about how fans loved the wt/wt and the tension between Chuck and Sarah? I think they were 100% wrong about that, we love the characters and want to see them happy together, NOT tormented by things going wrong. They also seemed to think Shaw was a character we would “love to hate”, but I think response was overwhelmingly just hate.

        Now it’s true they’ve gauged things better this season (I think we explained things pretty well to them during S3!). But I think they still misjudge how much we “like” Morgan and root for Charah.

      • JC says:

        @Army

        I agree with you about S4 but that wasn’t the case during the first three seasons. Her character was completely underdeveloped and used as a plot device to push Chuck in whatever direction the story dictated. The worst part was we did get a couple episodes that tried to flesh her out but they never followed through with it.

      • joe says:

        Joe I’m not not so sure about your assertion that Schwedak get the direction of fan response all that well.

        Dave, you make a good case.

        I tended to think that when they talked about fans “loving” the wt/wt, they were actually talking about the larger universe of TV fans from the 50s through the present and how TV shows that kept the leads apart seemed to be rewarded by ratings historically. Moonlighting syndrome or not, I can understand their reluctance to go against the common wisdom, and I’m glad they fought it.

        Fedak was right when he said putting C&S together after (less than!) three complete seasons was actually pretty quick. At least, that’s what my TV-watching history tells me. It’s possible to believe they were consciously going out on a limb to do that, which is pretty laudable.

        That certainly didn’t stop anyone from wanting it to happen faster, mind you.

        Loving to hate Shaw was another matter, and I’ll agree with you. I’ll admit that they should have known it wasn’t going to work six ways from Sunday. In fact, they *did* know, didn’t they? In hindsight it seems to me S&F were listening to the common TV wisdom about PLIs instead of trusting their own judgement.

        When the pitchforks and torches came out their response was instantaneous. They knew what was coming, and that told me they knew it was a mistake early on. If they knew, the only reason I can think of for them to go ahead was a touch of artistic cowardice. (As an aside, I think that the cowardice was in extending the break between C&S as long as they did in order to accommodate 6 more episodes, not the having PLIs to begin with.)

        But I’m being a purist. Not to be too much of an apologist for S&F, but we’ll never know how much of a hand the network and/or the studio had in their decision making and how much was forced upon them.

      • First Timer says:

        @joe:
        Actually, the claim that the showrunners put Chuck and Sarah together faster than average is simply wrong. I saw some numbers (might have been from Liz James) that showed that it took longer in both real time and episode time to put Chuck and Sarah together than David/Maddie on Moonlighting. And Moonlighting is the marker for running wt/wt so long that fans stopped caring.

        I’ll try and go back and calculate the stuff myself, but when you delay past Moonlighting time, you are really testing the patience of your audience.

      • atcDave says:

        Even apart from the Moonlighting issue, I think each story has its own pace and the trick is to decern when the time is right to change the status of a featured couple. I will accept that could be difficult since there is no concrete rule; but as professionals it is their job to figure it out. You know my position has always been on Chuck it needed to end at Colonel. A show like Castle has a completely different pacing, and nearing the end of its S3, it still doesn’t seem to be a big deal if Rick and Becket are ready to be together yet. So I just think comparing one show to another on pacing is a false methodology.

        But all that said, I do agree Joe that Schwedak responded pretty quickly to the uproar. A lot of that may have been they saw outrage, and knew we were still early in the Sham, so something would have to be done. That and the timing of the Olympic break was dreadful, which they may have already been nervous about. If on top of that, they had any clue how poorly the arc was translating onto screen, it is no wonder they responded quickly.
        But I would add, their response was largely patronizing and insulting. Their most effective tool was putting together an entirely misleading extended preview; that did calm nerves by presenting hopeful looking scenes entirely out of context.
        To me, the best thing to come from that whole period was the repeated statement of “we’re already past that”. It indicates to me, mainly in hindsight, that they knew they blew it utterly, and they only wanted to talk about what came next.

  5. Faith says:

    More spoilers down the wire because when it rains, it pours. This one’s from Eric of IGN but thanks to Alladins for the find. Most notables:

    IGN: Volkoff obviously knows a lot more about Chuck, after the events of the last episode. How will that begin to play out?

    Fedak: Well I think going forward, in these next couple of episodes, which very much culminate in episode 13, is that you have a d�tente – a fancy word! – that forms between Volkoff and Operation: Bartowski. So these next couple of episodes are very kind of, “What can be done? What’s Volkoff going to do?” Because you have, essentially, a very unbalanced person who knows all of Chuck’s secrets and could destroy Chuck and his family on a whim. But he also doesn’t want to piss off the woman who is closest to his heart! His Darth Vader – Mary Elizabeth Bartowski. So we have a lot of fun exploring that weird kind of thing that is now happening, but it’s definitely going to come to a head. When we originally designed the season, it was for thirteen episodes [before the show got a 24-episode order], so you better believe that episode will be very epic… All of these episodes really drive into that. ”

    IGN: I have to admit I was a little sad with Ellie. I thought there might be a little more as far as her getting her own… Well, not Intersect, but something a bit more spy-specific. For you, is it important to keep Ellie as more of a rock for Chuck? Something stable in his life?

    Fedak: Well as a writer on the show, Ellie always is the person we have the greatest anxiety about getting too close to the spy world. It’s like Ellie suiting up and going on a mission is a really kind of… I feel the sharks are out there with that idea. But, I do think we have a lot of really interesting places that we’re going to go with her character this year. The mystery is not done yet with Dad [Steve Bartowski] and Dad’s reasons behind giving her the computer – we’re not done with that. But I don’t want to give away too much! ”

    We always talk about Ellie here so that was interesting. The rest of the interview wasn’t really all that different from the Sepinwall (which got in to more depth).

    • uplink2 says:

      The thing I’m most excited about from this interview is this comment:

      The mystery is not done yet with Dad [Steve Bartowski] and Dad’s reasons behind giving her the computer – we’re not done with that. But I don’t want to give away too much! ”

      So even if the PSP explanation was totally lame it seems the laptop isn’t done yet. That I am very interested in seeing. It seems it is definitely enhancing Chuck’s abilities but I think the data from Orion Cave is now in the Intersect.

  6. sd says:

    Okay…this spec is likely waaaaay out there…but I think the last ten minutes is

    1-Stephen and Mary re-uniting

    2-Chuck and Sarah eloping

    • sd says:

      where’s my grammar? The last ten minutes will reveal

    • atcDave says:

      That would be an epic (oh dang, dirty word, sorry!) 10 minutes SD!

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Epic isn’t as dirty as ‘game changer’ 🙂

        Now if they had said ‘game changing’ final 10 min I would have already gone into alert mode. 🙂

      • atcDave says:

        I was pretty sure “game changer” meant absolutely nothing. Whereas “epic” only means very nearly nothing.

      • sd says:

        atc Dave…

        After listening to the epic and game-changing (ha) showrunners about that last ten minutes…I’m thinking my spec may not be too far off..maybe in the case of Mary and Stephen re-uniting maybe it’s done in a video/written message.

        Or–maybe a regular cast member dies/leaves? But if I remember that rambling podcast correctly, it’s supposed to be a very cool thing for Chuck followers…I don’t know, what do you think? Go Bears

      • atcDave says:

        I don’t think any kind of “virtual” reunion would qualify for best ever. And I think they’ve been pretty clear Stephen is dead.

        But it does make it hard to guess what they could be getting at. They may have a very exciting conclusion to the Volkoff/Frost arc (although I’m hoping that gets put off for a while, I want more Volkoff!). The birth of baby Awesome hardly seems worthy of a “best ever” tag; although MAYBE if we have a very well done scene with MamaB as part of the moment.
        They have to know how Charah obsessed most of us are. I really think engagement/wedding fits the description best. But the thing is, 4.13 seems too late for an engagement and too early for a wedding (in the way TV does these things…)
        So I just don’t know. If 4.11 passes with no engagement I’ll be 99% certain that is part of the 4.13 ending.

        And yeah GO BEARS! I’m drawing awful lot of nervous energy from that right now. Even while we’re all talking Chuck, I’m thinking about how fast I’ll have to get home from church for a 1 o’clock kick-off…

  7. joe says:

    I added a bit of casting news for 4.16.

    From Chucktv.net, we learn that the recurring role of Vivian has been cast. It’s Supernatural alum Lauren Cohan.

    In addition, actress Robin Givens has been cast as “Jane Bentley, the director of the CIA’s National Clandestine Service who makes Casey an intriguing offer”.

  8. First Timer says:

    First of all, I have plausible deniability: I didn’t like Phase 3 that much. So this is not a reaction to that comment.

    That said, I think the Fedak-Schwartz/Sepinwall-Feinberg interview is revelatory in two ways:
    1) Fedak and Schwartz have no idea about what drives fan passion in a mythology-based show. One would have thought after Star Trek that any showrunner involved with a myth-heavy show would be a zealous guardian of what is written, how it tracks with previous material and how it is viewed by the fans.

    2) Sepinwall and Feinberg did a terrible interview because they let Fedak and Schwartz babble and act like frat boys. It’s not the interviewer’s job to say “Can’t Chuck and Sarah just be happy?” It’s the interviewer’s job to get answers as to WHY showrunners have made the decisions they made.

    Or maybe the “perfect” moment was when Fedak says, you know, we really love the extra episodes because now we can tell a Roan-Diane story, the eyes roll. Do fans care about that dynamic? Sure. It’s fun. But there are about FIFTY things in the mythology that the fans care about more: The bracelet, what happened after the “It’s real” moment in Colonel, more about Chuck’s thinking in Prague, etc. etc.

    So when you have showrunners who don’t understand the passion they’ve created and interviewers who don’t act as people trying to get answers to creative decisions, you have a fan base that is simply and almost always unhappy and unfulfilled.

    The reason why fans continue to obsess about Season 3, for example, is because they don’t have answers to valid questions. And the reason they don’t have those answers is because the showrunners don’t seem to understand that the viewers PAY ATTENTION to what is being written.

    Fans of myth-based shows doesn’t “go along for the ride.” They want to understand the hows and whys of the character interaction and the universe. It’s too bad the showrunners of Chuck don’t get it and the interviewers who get to them don’t push for the answers.

    • atcDave says:

      i don’t think Schwedak take their own mythology very seriously, that’s kind of the start of the disconnect with fans. That and they like the soap opera aspects of the central relationship.
      Meanwhile fans are hoping for more mythology and a stable central relationship.

      The funny thing to me is; with such an apparently large difference in what we like about the show, how happy most of us are with the show this season.

      • JC says:

        Perfect example was the PSP explanation. It just doesn’t track with anything we’d seen before. I do give them credit for explaining what the Alpha Intersect was but I would’ve liked to found out on screen or at least you’d think Chuck would.

        Mo Ryan did push Fedak after 3.13 aired and he came off looking really bad in the interview. If I’m not mistaken she hasn’t been given any inside access since.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC

        I believe she raised specific concerns about the very poor characterization of Sarah’s character – she even asked the same questions to Yvonne in another interview.

        And speaking about the Alpha Intersect, I believe Chuck and by extension the audience will surely find out in the coming episode. I hope some explanation is provided.

      • JC says:

        @Genie

        Fedak talked about the Alpha Intersect in one of the interviews, he said it didn’t have any information in it. And that Stephen was surprised it didn’t leave Chuck an invalid. That’s how he knew Chuck was special.

        What I was getting at was that type of information should be presented on screen. I would think Chuck might want to know what he’s had in his brain since he was eight or nine years old.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Hmm. Thanks for the clarification on the Alpha Intersect.

        As for showing on screen about Chuck and his attempt to learn more about what he has had in his brain all this time – I believe if they really have some plans in furthering the Intersect mythology through the laptop, it would be cool if they delved into the past again.

      • JC says:

        Its not just delving into the Chuck past, but any major revelation on the show. You drop a bomb that impacts a character either from their past or recently and then totally ignore it. It’s what First Timer was getting at, no answer to questions the TPTB have raised.

      • They really have a problem with that. They don’t give specific conclusion of things on the show. You have to assume everything.

        It makes sense that at the time (Mary hadn’t left yet, so Orion wasn’t a spy yet), Stephen was just working on the idea of the Intersect and therefore it didn’t contain any specific secrets, but they should tell us that on screen. You shouldn’t have to read interviews to know it…

    • Verkan_Vall says:

      @First Timer:

      Agreed. And I was not reassured at all by Schwartz’s responses. He viewed any criticism of Season 3 as an insult and anyone who sees a continuous progression from Season 1 through Season 4 so far, especially in regards to the Chuck/Sarah relationship, is so out-of-touch with the fans that he might as well be talking about another show. That worries me.

      Or maybe he just doesn’t care what the fans think.

  9. I don’t think the best 10 minutes ever are only CS related. The best 10 minutes for Schwedak is action, twists, and drama I think. I do think the engagement will happen in 4×13 though.

    I hope they don’t elope. I want Ellie, Awesome, Morgan and Casey to be there. They’re CS family, they should share this together.

    • thinkling says:

      Crumby, as a mom, I totally agree about the elopement. I told my son I could meet him anywhere on the planet in 24-48 hrs, but I want to BE there.

      A quick, unannounced, intimate wedding with extended Bartowski family would be fine, though.

      • atcDave says:

        Especially since Sarah presumably has no one who would come, and apart from mom all of Chuck’s family is in the area. You’d think it would be easy to put together a fast wedding; even if they decide to head to Vegas it would be easy to involve everyone who matters.

      • Oh I totally agree with the quick, unannounced, intimate wedding. Especially since it should be that hard to get 4 people where you want to do it when you work for the CIA!

        I don’t picture the big wedding for CS anyway. Intimate wedding really seems to be a CS wedding, but I would be disappointed if they didn’t make it a family event. Let the engagement be a very private moment between Chuck and Sarah, but the wedding? Ellie surely wants to see it and squee, Morgan wants to be the best man, and even Casey wouldn’t grunt that much I’m sure!

      • thinkling says:

        That it would. Don’t most hospitals have chapels and chaplains?

      • atcDave says:

        At least bigger ones do, that would be awesome to just do it in the hospital when everyone is gathered anyway. Okay, that could be best 10 minutes of Chuck ever.

      • thinkling says:

        🙂 indeed! 🙂

      • herder says:

        Hmm, at the Chapel, Morgan as best man, Ellie (or Mama B) as Matron of Honor, Casey gives her away, Awesome as the Justice of the Peace (he is awesome, why not).

      • herder says:

        Ok, just to goad Ernie, make Diane the Justice of the Peace, I’m sure she has the authority. Mwa-ha-ha.

      • jason says:

        No engagement in this arc is my spec, the plan is 4×24 IMO, and TPTB are sort of waiting for feedback from the fans.

        By the way, you don’t have to tell people the final ten minutes is the best ever IF it is the best ever, Schwartz knows what he did, which is why he is being coy, if those ten minutes were the ten minutes you guys want, he would NEVER EVER tell us those ten minutes were going to be great.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I like the romanticism of having 2 weddings myself.

        One for just the two of them and one for the rest. Let’s face it at the end of the day what it is about is them so I like the idea of them eloping or whatnot and just celebrating their love.

        Maybe it’s impulsive…better yet secretive. It’s more than just the paper it gives, but the commitment it implies. Meanwhile, no one else knows they’re married until they say I do in Burbank but where it counts, they know and so do we.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        See this is what’s really throwing me off:

        “(Re: last 10 minutes) I will say for fans that have been on the ride, will be very satisfied.”

        There are fans that will be very satisfied with “I know Kung Fu” or the game changer aspect of that, but overwhelmingly fans are most satisfied with any forward progression of the Chuck and Sarah relationship. They know that.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Nah Herder, Dianne is a strategic thinker. Give Chuck what he “thinks” he wants. After all, she’s been slow playing him for years.

      • jason says:

        so when TPTB delay the engagement with seemingly more and more inprobably interruptions, delays, plans that fall thru, etc – finally ending the mess around episode 4×20 or 22 or even 24, is the fan base going to fragment again, with fanboys stepping up to the plate like they did in S3 defending TPTB, while the one or two CRAZY shippers that people seem to think exist with thousands of different user names and id’s protest, or will everyone stay calm and wait for the destination, because the journey really doesn’t matter anyhow?

      • There are major Duck events coming! It’s all over the promos!

        First Beckman is coming back to Burbank. Then, there is no doubt those best 10 minutes ever in 4×13 contain something Dianne-related. And then, they play the PLI card with Roan…

      • atcDave says:

        Very funny Jason the multiple ID crazy ‘shipper! I think most of us would be okay with delaying the engagement further as long as the stories remain fun and satisfying. But I really do think it’s coming sooner than that; I stand by 4.11 or maybe 4.13. I just think they’ve dropped too many hints to keep putting it off.

        Faith I really agree the whole 10 minutes bit is hard to read. If Fedak is in touch with his audience it HAS TO mean a wedding. The way he parsed it, the whole fans who’ve been along for the ride thing; I think could ONLY mean a wedding.
        Now that said, I’m not convinced he’s that in tune with the audience. They have shown much improvement this season. But they still give too much time to Morgan and Buy More, and not enough to Chuck and Sarah together (or just Sarah). So, do they get us?
        I think they may believe a really cool resolution to the Volkoff/Frost story, or a new Intersect skill, or Ellie approving of Chuck’s spy life, or something else most of us would like but not call awesome; might qualify as best 10 minutes ever.
        They have taken a huge chance with a statement like that. I get that they may be so excited and pleased with themselves that they have to say things like that. And while I am excited that they’re excited; I’d say there’s a very good chance I won’t agree that it was the best 10 minutes ever.

    • In the last ten minutes of Other Guy, Shaw and the Director takes Sarah to the Café. They have their little chat. Then Chuck comes, they chat a little more, then fight. Then Chuck shoots Shaw on the bridge. Casey talks to Beckman. Morgan talks to Big Mike. Beckman talks to Morgan. And Chuck and Sarah finally get together in Paris!

      10 minutes is a very long time, and what makes it great isn’t just what’s happening but the culmination of everything happening at the same time.

      It certainly isn’t JUST about CS but they have to give us something on the CS front considering their relationship and the way it was a going forward have been a major theme in this first part of the season.

      • joe says:

        Oh, absolutely, Crumby. There have scenes in Chuck that last only seconds, but will stick with me for a long time to come; they’re that powerful.

        Fedak’s comment was interesting, but I’m not going to take it quite so serious. I don’t think that, generally speaking, they were trying to be serious (and certainly, Sepinwall noting that they have 14 people listening in to their podcast made it seem less serious by miles than it actually was).

        If I really see the best 10 minutes of TV, ever, then I’ve already gotten much more entertainment this decade than I got the last, and we’re only 1 month into it! Not bad. And if they fall a little short of that, well, um, I’m still liable to be quite happy when it’s over.

      • thinkling says:

        You’re right Crumby. A LOT can happen in 10 minutes.

        Didn’t Volkoff just say that? No, he said anything could happen in 10 minutes.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I’ll add to that…to put things in perspective, the entire scene of Sarah’s speech and Chuck’s return to sanity in Phase 3 took 2 minutes and 44 seconds.

        In Ring pt 1 from the canceled (aka Jeffster ruined wedding) to the end of the beach wedding (complete with Casey rescue in the middle) was 7 minutes and 22 seconds.

      • Crumby says:

        That’s very precise Faith! 😉

      • thinkling says:

        Faith
        That’s incredible when you think about it. Ten minutes is a fourth of the episode. Thanks for putting it in perspective.

      • atcDave says:

        I’m not sure ten minutes can be taken so literally. Since they said last ten minutes, they may simply mean “the last act”. Or 8:50 to 9:00, which usually is about 5 minutes of actual episode.
        My take on it is just that the ending should be awesome.

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        🙂

        If we consider the acts– In television there are usually 4-5 acts per episode with commercials separating each act. The teaser is the first act, the last, finale with the climax usually coming in the 3rd or 4th. In Suitcase the last act, more specifically the last few scenes before end credits and after the last commercial was 9 minutes and 16 seconds. Close enough. Still not chump change though…so in essence what Crumby pointed out is still notable. Interesting note: the Chuck and Sarah scene at the end of Suitcase, beginning with Chuck entering the room was 2 minutes and 30 seconds.

        But I can buy last 10 minutes of the hour. In Ring pt 1 again, that was enough time for Sarah to not tell Chuck what she wants, PapaB to interfere, Bryce to get killed and Chuck to kung fu after intersecting. LOL!

      • Crumby says:

        I’ve never seen an episode with commercials but yeah don’t they edit the episodes as 4 10-minutes-ish long acts?

        I thought that’s what they were referring to. The last act of the episode.

        But that can be anything really, considering pretty much everything in Chuck is “epic”. Maybe the last scene is supposed to last 10 minutes for the characters and it’s epic, but it actually last 30 seconds for the viewers… lol

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah, that’s sort of what I was thinking Crumby. Just that the climax or resolution would be great.

      • Crumby says:

        The way they said it though (and I probably don’t interpret TPTB very well, but eh), it made me think that there would be a lot of stuff happening. I’m thinking a lot of action, and unexpected twists. Probably a dramatic scene with Mama B. And some nice moments, between CS, with Ellie, maybe a Casey/Alex scene as well.

        Do you guys think the last scene will be more like Other Guy or Ring II?

      • JC says:

        I’m going to go out on a limb and say Colonel/ Ring PT1.

        Hopefully we get the action of Ring PT1 no catching Volkoff in a stairwell please and the romance/mythology of Colonel. They really haven’t had an action that’s topped the shootout at Ellie’s wedding. And we’ve been missing the heat since Barstow when it comes to the relationship.

      • atcDave says:

        Seriously Crumby I think Faith’s wedding spec is the most likely. Especially if it’s combined with baby Awesome being born and MamaB being reunited with her family.
        If we see an exciting/explosive take down of Volkoff, leading to the conclusion I just described, it may be the most awesome 10 minutes of television ever!

        That also plays into their description of the rest of the season being completely different. Sorry if I came at that all a little backwards, but I am excited and think these next three episodes will be great, even if only some of the things I mentioned happen.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        And we’ve been missing the heat since Barstow when it comes to the relationship.

        STEAMY PDA FTW!! 🙂

        Aha! Some discussion on heat or the lack of it. :)I am a strong advocate for occasional ‘hot’ scenes. I hope TPTB bring back the steam in these remaining 14 episodes. It’s long overdue. 🙂

      • thinkling says:

        I agree with Jason. It’ll be like the RingI wedding stuff and Colonel

        The RingII was good, but the elders caught in the stairwell was lame.

        Agree with Dave, too, I’m expecting the next three episodes to be great.

        If the back 11 is totally different because Chuck & Sarah are married … all the better.

        Genie, I have every reason to think a wedding would increase the steam.

  10. luckygirl says:

    I was thinking the proposal might be in 4×15. We will probably get some stuff about Sarah’s past in that episode and it might be things she’s ashamed of, things she never wanted Chuck to know. He sees her through the memories of a low point in her life, tells her he’s never loved her more and just simply proposes.

  11. Crumby says:

    Zap2it article:
    http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2011/01/chuck-return-countdown-zachary-levi-on-keeping-secrets-again.html

    So Volkoff is still alive after 4×13? Umm… Oh, no I forgot that nobody never really died in Chuck!

    • atcDave says:

      It also indicates they will not be in 4.11. We’ve been told major things will happen quickly, but apparently no Frost or Volkoff this Monday. Gee, could Balcony be mostly about something else big and important going on? Hmmmm, I can’t think what…

      Must be a Morgan episode…

      • thinkling says:

        That article makes it sound like they are going to turn the page and start a new chapter in the back 11. We may get the Charleses-es after all 🙂

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah, that would be awesome. I keep trying to guard and think it means something else; but their language was very encouraging.

      • thinkling says:

        Me, too. I’m afraid to let myself count on the best (wedding by 13), but I’m trying to not let myself think the worst (a 22 episode wt/wt proposal arc).

        We’ll know soon.

      • atcDave says:

        Thinkling I’m pretty comfortable saying the proposal will come sooner, its the actual wedding I have no good feel for yet. I want to be optimistic, but I don’t want to be too disappointed if it gets put off until 4.24 or beyond.

      • thinkling says:

        The short NBC promo really is Chuck & Sarah personal-life heavy. It looks like an engagement promo. Or a wedding promo with Sarah’s I’m gonna marry you line.

      • Josh says:

        I think one major thing for fans to understand is that CHUCK is going to end up like LOST…Where it will get to a point that there so many questions fans want answers to, for example: Flashbacks to Papa B and what turned him into orion, chucks lineage and where that started, a flashback to when papa b gave the bracelet to mama b (sarah’s bracelet), sarah’s history, Casey’s history, what made chuck the superhero he will ultimately end up being etc, etc, etc…That they only way these questions will ever be answered is if a character who knows all of them comes in and speaks non stop for like 3 episodes explaining all the mythology, it just is never going to happen. So what I would say is enjoy every moment until the last episode where they (like LOST) give an episode that leaves the characters in a perfect place….stop complaining and brace yourselves for the fact that you will never get the answers that you have waited years for…it just aint gonna happen. So while fedak gets asked questions and gives some lame answers, truth is there probably is not answers, it is the rush that you get from watching chuck shoot shaw or the DYLM scene or the end of honeymooners, enjoy the moments and move on….JMHO….Just had to say it, sorry….

      • joe says:

        Josh, that’s an interesting point. But since I’m one of 3 people in the world who’ve seen NO episodes of Lost, I can’t say much about the prognostication.

        On thinking about it, though, I sort of realize that we have a large number of questions to which the answers are more important to the fans than to the story – does Sarah have a sister, or was that a cover-story? There are many where the answers can come without a single word being spoken – Mary seeing her bracelet on Sarah’s wrist, for instance. We may still see some of those answers.

        There are some to which we already know the answers. Sam. But this is a show where lies and deceptions play no small part. There’s nothing to say that this answer is the final one or the important one.

        It strains credulity sometimes, but we’ve established that the only characters that are truly, most sincerely dead are the ones that Sarah has dispatched. The others are only nearly dead. It may be “too convenient”, but it can still be fun.

      • atcDave says:

        So Joe, are you calling Sarah the real Angel of Death?

      • joe says:

        I’m not sure about “Angel of Death”, but only because my brain cannot picture both Casey and Sarah like that simultaneously! 😉

        Of course, it’s not the angel part that’s difficult…

  12. herder says:

    spoiler tv has an video of an interview with Bonita Freidericy(sp) and her husband, he lets slip that the General has a makeout session coming up with a guest star (Roan?). Wow, the General gets some.

    • atcDave says:

      That should be funny. But I wonder if we should be worried about how Ernie is going to cope with this…

    • Verkan_Vall says:

      What????

      The Titian-Haired Temptress has a makeout session with that broken down has-been Montgomery?

      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGG!!!!

    • jason says:

      beckman’s real life husband so needs to play a guest star doctor on the show:

      1 – he is a doc flox from star trek for goodness sakes, I didn’t know that

      2 – he is funny

      3 – he looks entirely goofy, which makes him perfectly cast for the show

      • joe says:

        John Billingsley is a fine actor, too. He’d be a great guest star (much in the vein of Robert Picardu, who not only did the holographic doctor bit, but was Coach Cutlip on The Wonder Years).

        I saw Billingsley not too long ago on a repeat of an NCIS episode, playing a blind photographer. He did a great job.

        Oh, I once saw Bonita on Bones, playing the mother of the murder victim. She was nothing at all like GBecks. I realize that professional actors can play many roles credibly, but I’m always amazed when I see their craft done well.

      • jason says:

        ernie – I’ve been there, seriously, my advice, it is not diane’s fault, forgive her, blame those sadistic TPTB, even name them by name if you need to, they don’t undertand the audience, they selfishly write whatever they want, they create magic, then tear it down, they are carnival hucksters who play shell games with the fans hearts, seriously, diane kissing someone other than chuck, it has to be a con of some sort, geez

      • atcDave says:

        Deep breaths Ernie. I’m sure you can find some good fan fiction that will tell the story the way you know it ought to be! I think Wepdiggy has written some M rated Duck stuff you would like.

      • joe says:

        Oh, for pete’s sake – LEARN TO SPELL, Ernie.

        It’s “NNAAAAEEEEEIIIIIIOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!”

        Hasn’t Chuck taught you anything???

        Sheesh!

      • Ernie Davis says:

        No, Joe, that’s Yvonne. I was channeling Shaw. (shudder).

      • joe says:

        Channelling? More like possession, I’d say.

        Quick! Someone call an exorcist!

      • atcDave says:

        We obviously need help here, does anyone have Rick’s e-mail?

      • Faith says:

        It’s a loss cause guys. He’s gone off the deep end. We just have to institutionalize him next to Merlin :D.

  13. atcDave says:

    Spoiler Alert!!!

    Bears and Packers in the NFC title game!!! This is THE football game of my life! (okay, some hyperbole there, not much mind you, but some).

    Happy Dave!

    • thinkling says:

      Umm, who are you rooting for, Dave?

      • sd says:

        Go Bears! This is going to be sooo much fun!

      • atcDave says:

        Ummm, you have looked at what I’m wearing in my Gravatar, right?

        The only tough question is, as a committed NFC guy, if things don’t go so well, will I be able to root for the Packers against the Patriots?
        Actually my wife asked me that. Assuming the Patriots do represent the AFC; I foresee no problems with forgiving the Packers…

        But I’m expecting great things; the Bears at home against the Packers! I need to go visit some old friends in Chicago this week, should be a fun atmosphere.

      • atcDave says:

        I guess I was wrong about the AFC sending the Patriots! Who’d o’ thunk it. Amazing day.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Stillers.

    • jason says:

      my son goes to school at UWGB, the town is so small, he sees packer places at various places pretty often, also, since he is a member of the college basketball team, most of them are mistaken for packer players, my son has been asked for autographs, asked when he is going to move off the taxi squad, given advice on next year’s draft, on how we need to blitz more, run more, pass more, etc, etc – sounds like running an NFL team is a little like being the show runner for a tv show, if so, I submit, green bay wisconsin is footballs equiv of chuck, the little town that could, ok so I am a bit biased, lets hope whoever wins, wins it all!

      • atcDave says:

        You know I’m a Bears fan all the way through, but the Packers are a fun team. Green Bay is certainly the smallest city with an NFL team (although I lived in Milwaukee for a year, and people there think the Packers are theirs). I believe the Packers are actually owned by the City of Green Bay, so they’ll never leave for a bigger market either.

        But Bears/Packers pretty much defines football for me. They are the 2nd and 3rd oldest teams in the NFL; the first and second winningest teams in history; the oldest rivalry in the league; but they haven’t played each other in the play-offs since 1941; and they’ve never faced each other in a title game before.

        I’m excited any time the Bears win a game, but I haven’t been able to wipe the smile off my face for two hours now!

      • First Timer says:

        I’d say Bears-Packers for the NFL championship would be “epic.” A “game-changer,” in fact.

        Except, you know…

      • joe says:

        Being from Buf’lo, I’ll have a life-long antipathy towards the Pats. It goes back to the ’60s and players whose names are lost to antiquity.

        But THE JETS????? To quote the Shaw-possessed Ernie…

        “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!”

        PS: RIP Cookie Gilcrest, a player for the ages.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Stillers. That is all.

    • Faith says:

      This is going to get ugly ;-).

      • atcDave says:

        Sorry, I’m sure it’s some sort of faux pas to mix football and Chuck. But I’m so excited!!!

      • joe says:

        Going to? Wrong tense, Faith. 😉

        I see the Chuck fans on twitter are doing the exact same thing. It’s got something to do with being abstinent for 7 weeks. The exact mental effects are variable (some become Duckies). But it always exacts a toll.

        By my watch, 24.667 hours left.

      • First Timer says:

        Fine, sports it is. The Knicks are over .500 for the first time since Project Omaha.

  14. Mekenna Melvin did an interview with The TV Fangirls:
    http://www.thetvfangirls.com/post/2795234281/mekenna-melvin-interview-the-tv-and-sarah-walker

    Here’s a few things she said about Alex:

    – Mekenna said she definitely worked with Yvonne recently. It’s probably not a one-on-one scene between Sarah and Alex but I can’t wait to find out! Double date, anyone?

    – The Alex/Casey relationship will continue to be explored, and the way the whole Casey/Alex/Morgan situation as well.

    – She also said there will be some answers concerning Alex’s mother at some point.

    – She wouldn’t say anything about what’s coming for Morgan and Carina, but she did say it was a lot of fun.

    In general, she said there’s a lot of exciting things coming, and a lot of fun stuff.

    • Faith says:

      If they go for sizzling shrimp I will have a Chuck-gasm. 😉

      • thinkling says:

        That would be a good call back to a lot of things. Maybe Morgan smuggles Alex into a stake-out situation, thinking that nothing could go wrong. Add sizzling shrimp and Triad fireworks.

    • herder says:

      It could be funny, if Morgan and Alex view Chuck and Sarah as this ideal couple in much the same way that Chuck views Awesome and Ellie, while Sarah is horrified to think that she could offer anyone personal advice on how to be in a relationship.

      • atcDave says:

        That could be funny Herder. But the fun thing is, the Sarah we’ve seen recently really is quite wise and mature; she would be a better role model than she gives herself credit for.

      • thinkling says:

        Agree with both. It would be funny. She would feel totally out of her element, but she would end up pulling out some wise counsel, I’m sure.

        Of course, Alex could just as easily say something that would help Sarah.

  15. andyt says:

    Good Chuck Monday all,

    I have been thinking about a point raised above about the creators adherence to the show’s mythology. I think Dave nearly hit it on the head when he said that they “do not take it(mythology) seriously”. I believe this is true to a certain extent, and I say thank God for that. By this, I mean that they do not let the arcane minutia of some plot point derail telling a good story. I believe that this became one of the problems with the Star Trek saga in the last few series. They and especially hard core fans became so obessed about continuity and mythology and such that they sacrificed good storytelling and fun. Let’s be honest as good as Next Generation and Deep Space Nine were; they never were as much fun as the original series. And in that show, uniforms kept changing week to week, explanations for things altered to meet story requirements, etc. I believe that they best thing for Star Trek was JJ Abrams junking much of the mythology and starting fresh two years ago. Sorry for the digression, but I believe that it backs up my point. Too much mythology will strangle the thing that makes Chuck what it is which is fun. Also, the lack of consistent mythology is actually better for the fans, they can debate so much more.

    Enjoy tonight’s Chuck!!!

    • atcDave says:

      I do agree Andy that obsessing over the mythology can result in a boring show that takes itself too seriously. But Chuck often goes to the other extreme of being sloppy. I do think they need to assign someone to staff who is the keeper of continuity and makes sure gross violations (like changing dates!) are avoided. It would be helpful to avoid things that are insulting to those who are paying attention; it is a fine line to tread, to keep things fun and creative while keeping a consistent reality in place.

      • thinkling says:

        That’s a good way to put it, Dave. I mean dates, come on. We’ve understood calendars since grade school … OK most of us. Plus I don’t need long drawn out explanations, but a throw away line to snip off a dangling thread would just be nice for us neat freaks.

      • andyt says:

        Certainly Dave it is a fine line that the show has to walk. I like many of the mythology aspects of the story, particularly about the Bartowski family history and its connections to the spy world and the Intersect. Also, I can see your point about dates; however, I would point out that this is one of the areas where many “mythology based” shows demonstrate some of their greatest leaps of logic. Many play fast and loose with the past and fit things in where they seems best. Some of this is no doubt the result of telling their stories in bits and not knowing whether they will get to tell anymore from season to season. That is probably why I do not get bent out of shape about continuity. I am at the flexible end of the scale. Give me a good, fun tale and I will work the other stuff out to my satisfaction.

    • treecrab says:

      Man, I can’t really agree. If you excuse poor continuity, then you might as well hold nothing of value in the show. Seriously. If continuity doesn’t matter and you only care about what’s “fun” or what makes a “good story,” then that really does give the writers license to tell whatever story they want.

      Let’s say, for example, that in 4.12, Chuck asks Sarah to marry him and she says no. Your immediate reaction might be “Wait, what, we’ve already seen her say yes twice to that question,” but because continuity doesn’t matter and past characterization doesn’t matter and mythology doesn’t matter, and you’ve given the writers a free pass to mess with the story because, hey, it’s a whole new episode, who cares what happened in the previous episodes, they can do that now. I’m sure you’d be perfectly okay with that, right?

      How do you work out the huge glaring continuity mistakes that happened with the timeline in Anniversary, or the fact that the show actually contradicted itself in Living Dead about the Sarah/Shaw relationship, or that Casey somehow went from Air Force to Marine overnight, or the entire mess with Mary suppressing the Intersect? Those are just the tip of the mountain with this show.

      Bad continuity is insulting to your audience. It either shows you’re lazy and don’t care enough about the story to tell a story that makes sense or you think your fans are too stupid to notice or care.

      • atcDave says:

        I don’t think anyone was advocating totally random stories. Although The Simpsons has shown it is possible to have a successful show with only the thinnest of continuity.

        But I do think Chuck is, and should be, a show where fun is taken more seriously than mythology. I think most of us like when paying attention is rewarded instead of punished; and I don’t mean to excuse some of the sloppiness we’ve seen, but I watch to have fun first and foremost. If we’re left scratching our heads over just who Casey called as “Johnny boy” back in Santa Claus, well I’m not really going to loose any sleep over it.

      • thinkling says:

        True dat.

      • Verkan_Vall says:

        I have to agree with Dave and Treecrab. I can see AndyT’s point about not putting a straitjacket on the writer’s creativity; writing is hard enough and writing to a deadline often feels like looking at a firing squad. But as Dave said, they’ve been sloppy (to the point of coming across as comtemptuous and insulting at times). And bad continuity not only frustrates the fans, it hurts the story the showrunners are trying to tell.

        In the Sepinwall podcast, one of the longest contributions by Schwartz is when he talks about the progression of Chuck from Season 1 through 4. But without continuity, how can you tell if you’re progressing, regressing or driving off a cliff?

        So, Fun first, but a little bit more continuity wouldn’t hurt, to give the story some substance to go with the flash.

      • JC says:

        Dave brought up Santa Claus, how hard would’ve it been to throw in a line where Chuck mentions the Johnny Boy line and you have Casey say he was calling Beckman.

        And I understand that no matter what every show will have continuity problems. Actors leave shows and sometimes story lines aren’t working. But some of the ones on Chuck really do seem lazy and could be avoided with a little forethought.

        Without continuity how can you believe what’s on screen when it could be ignored or forgotten about next season or the next episode. I’m willing to give them a pass on some spy stuff but not when it comes to character’s history. Look at the mess both Sarah and Casey’s pasts are.

      • andyt says:

        I find Chuck one of the most fulfilling shows that I have watched in the last 20 years. It has more humor, romance and joy packed into 42 minutes than most shows do over their entire runs on TV. So, I respectfully disagree with your assertion that I need continuity to find value in a show. I need the humor, the warmth of character and the friendships that exist between the characters. And yes, I give the writers/creators the license to tell whatever story they want. I am the viewer not the writer let them entertain me. And they do not think their audience is stupid; they are not going to get trapped into a straighjacket by things that in the end do not add to the emotional value of the show. It is about relationships not spies that is the window dressing.

      • atcDave says:

        Actually JC my point there was it wasn’t a big deal and glad they didn’t worry about. They only have 43 minutes to tell a story each week.
        I think I’m somewhere in between the extremes JC and Andy are describing here. Continuity does matter, especially on major plot points. But the fun, the characters I love, and laughs ultimately matter more to me than the mythology.
        Some of that is deliberate. The writers seem to pour their energy into those things, and don’t worry so much about continuity. I wish they’d sweat the small stuff a little more than they do; but I do consider it small stuff and it doesn’t affect my overall affection for the show.

      • JC says:

        @Dave

        I knew that didn’t bother you, what I was getting at is ten seconds worth of dialogue and there wouldn’t be a problem. Like I said I can deal with continuity of lesser plots being off but not when it changes characters or major arcs.

        @AndyT

        If the continuity issues don’t bother your enjoyment of the show that’s fine. I’m not trying to change yours or anyone’s opinion. I just think those problems hold the show back. And its part of the reason why it’s not held in the same regard as other cult Sci Fi shows.

  16. alladinsgenie4u says:

    GMMR’s interview with Chris Fedak in which he talks about the proposal, name of Baby Awesome and some other stuff

    http://bit.ly/gD7OQ9

    • joe says:

      That’s actually a fun interview! SPOILER! Awesomette’s name is…

      The same as CFs baby daughter!!! 😉

      I do like this from the interviewer:
      I feel like the new NBC owners don’t want to have to be the ones to explain to the CHUCK fans why they canceled their favorite show.

      He’s right! CF then proceeds to raise the spectre of pitchforks and torches again, this time headed to someplace other than his door…

    • thinkling says:

      Q: Do you think [the shippers] will be happy with the decisions Chuck comes to in the next few episodes?
      CF: I do think that the shippers do have some really big, exciting episodes coming up. I can’t wait for their reaction.

      I think that’s a pretty strong hint. Shippers won’t be “excited” with a giant step side-ways, and the only step forward at this point is engagement … at least. Marriage all the better.

      And whoever said Fedak should give the interviews was right.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Fedak has always had better sense in talking to fans. The fact he’s excited about ‘shipper reaction makes a good case for the most optimistic predictions.

        two hours and 27 minutes until show time! not that I’m counting or anything…

      • jason says:

        I have been the most pessimistic of the shipper crowd about the engagement, but even I view the fedak comments as positive, I still do not think they will be engaged after 4×13, but I now think a 4×15 thru 4×18 engagement is more likely than 4×22 thru 4×24. Tonights ep may beat 4×9 for 2nd place ever I’m predicting (3×14 probably will be #1 unless the charles return), and 12 and 13 going to be great too, just no engagement.

      • thinkling says:

        Frankly I can’t think of anything shipperish that would be big and exciting, other than engagement. How can they beat Phase 3 in the relationship arena without making it official? By “it” of course I mean the engagement they’ve already telegraphed in every way possible and that they have already verbalized. CF is bound to know by now exactly how shippers react, and to say he can’t wait for their reaction means we aren’t going sideways in these next 3 episodes. I don’t think he’d be foolish to so blatantly bait us if he were planning to switch.

  17. armysfc says:

    in light of tonight’s episode and sarah again making a big decision without chuck could the best 10 minutes ever be the fastest relationship ending? i can see it now, i cant marry you because you can’t tell me the truth.

    • atcDave says:

      Oh c’mon that’s pretty extreme. I’d call it a “gift of the magi” moment at worst, she’s taking risks she shouldn’t for Chuck and his family because she still doesn’t quite grasp how important she is to him. Chuck could be angry for the risks she takes but nothing else. This should not be a big deal. And I’ll go on record as saying it won’t be; they both be happy when they are re-united next week, and over-joyed when the mission is completed the week after that.

      • armysfc says:

        remember this is my second opinion. my first said they marry in 4.13. but since its a spec post why not bring up the other possibilities? besides after her repeatedly doing things like this without talking to him why should believe her again? maybe its just me but i can’t believe she is that stupid to not yet grasp how important she is to him. that’s a stupid as the ending of the ep.

      • atcDave says:

        I wasn’t thrilled with the end either, but I just don’t have those kind of negative feelings towards any of Sarah’s actions. She told Chuck as soon as she knew the plan, and it’s clear from the previews she will involve Chuck and TeamB in the mission pretty quickly. And it’s what they do.
        I think they both be ecstatic when they are re-united, and that’s the ending I’m excited about.

      • armysfc says:

        dave i agree on the no time to tell. its the part in the beginning where she says to beckman she would do anything. then she does the worst thing possible to chuck. the promos are why it didn’t bother me. i give the writers props for going there its how they got there that bothers me. i would have liked to see mama b call and ask for help, then have her go. the way they did it fell flat.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree she overstepped in telling Beckman that without talking to Chuck about. But again, I see no wrong motives, just some poor planning.
        I do agree with your last part, the resolution should be better than the set-up.

      • armysfc says:

        i see your point about sarah. it comes back to this for most people. you are more likely to over look faults or actions in people you like and pick on those same actions and faults in people you don’t like. i feel fans liking of certain characters blinds them to things they do.

        as a whole i don’t like one character that much more than another, which in my opinion gives me a clearer picture of their actions. i think i am more objective that way.

        i know i hate morgan so almost anything he does bothers me. so i do see where fans of certain characters comes from.

      • armysfc says:

        the road to hell is paved with good intentions. we have that here.

      • thinkling says:

        I seriously doubt Sarah expected the mission to come about the way it did. She was just as blind-sided as Chuck was.

  18. bundy says:

    Just saw this on spoilertv——
    Casey, Chuck and Sarah are sent to Morocco to rescue Roan Montgomery (“John Larroquette”);. Morgan plans to meet Alex’s mother and Mary spends some time with her family.

    Copied From: http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/01/chuck-episode-414-chuck-versus.html#ixzz1BNTiN67D
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  19. Faith says:

    • joe says:

      Heh! This is what I call a confirmation. 😉

      • jason says:

        joe – why?

        engagement & awesome conclusion
        marriage & awesome conclusion
        neither, but awesome conclusion to story

      • armySFC says:

        here’s one that got left off. @JoshSchwartz76 It was a great episode with a twist at the end that promises to sustain the plot for the rest of the season.

        now we saw sarah toss casey out of the window and him laying on the ground. if its a plan on team b’s part i can see it. however if sarah does intend to kill casey (not planned by team b) i can’t see chuck forgiving her that quick. tptb already said in the pod cast that they more or less find a stable happy relationship boring. i think this sets up the rest of the season for chauck and sarah to get back to the point where they can get married. also note that casey is not part of the plan in 4.13 to take down volkoff. it could be he is laying low or it could be he got injured in his fall from the window.

        no matter how forgiving chuck is, to watch the woman he loves toss his friend out the window in an attempt to kill him SHOULD cause him problems. if its for real i hope they treat it as such and not the fairy tale the like to spin.

      • joe says:

        Not sure I understand the question, Jason. I meant Matt Barber seemed to confirm what Fedak had said in the interview – we’re in for “the best 10 minutes” of Chuck ever.

        Of course, you have to understand that I come from the world of Astronomy and Physics, where 1+1=3 (for very large values of 1). So I’m grinning broadly at Fedak’s confidence that we’ll enjoy it. I’m sure we will.

  20. Faith says:

    Matt Mitovich is on location to interview our Chuck cast, and he was kind enough to give this spoiler set snippet:

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Thanks. I really, really hope we get a C/S dance scene complete with masks. It’s been too long. 🙂

  21. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Here’s a tidbit for 4×13- http://www.pitchengine.com/pitch/118678/

    Actress STEPHANIE JACKSON Delivers on “CHUCK”
    Appearing on NBC Hit Show on January 31, 2011

    01.18.2011– Hollywood, CA – Actress STEPHANIE JACKSON lends a helping hand to the newest member of the family on NBC’s action-comedy series CHUCK, scheduled to air on January 31, 2011 at 8pm/7C.

    While Chuck (Zachary Levi) and his mother (Linda Hamilton) are off fighting the bad guys, Chuck’s sister Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) is admitted to the Labor and Delivery ward at the local hospital. Jackson steps in as Nurse Young to calm down the expecting mother and father (Ryan McPartlin), but the big worry on everyone’s mind is: will Chuck and his mom defeat the bad guys and make it to the hospital in time for the birth of the baby?

    The episode titled “Chuck vs. the Push Mix” is part of the 4th season that follows the twenty-something
    computer geek who inadvertently downloads critical government secrets into his brain, forever turning his life upside down.

    Jackson was excited at the chance to work with such a talented group of people, commenting “It was a blast! The entire cast and crew were so welcoming and working opposite Linda Hamilton was incredible. The director, Peter Lauer, has a great sense of humor and created a relaxed, fun environment to work in.”

  22. armysfc says:

    heres the link to the promo showing casey telling sarah to toss him out the window.

  23. joe says:

    New promotional stills from 4.12. Our friend Uplink2 is not quite convinced that’s right, but that’s the way their advertised.

    It looks like Chuck & Sarah are going to have a chance for a deep conversation, and we’ll be privy to it.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Thanks Joe.

      They are both dressed rather formally. Does anyone think they are captured from a party or during a dinner date. And is that Casey with a gun in his hand?

      • joe says:

        I’m not sure what it is they’re wearing, Genie. It almost looks like Chuck is wearing some sort of flac-jacket, but then again, it looks to me like a thin, leather vest.

        Sarah looks like she’s wearing the cat suit in one of the three where she’s sitting, except for the leg. Then, in the other, the “Racer-back” looks more like part of her more normal wardrobe.

        And both almost look like they’re in period-costume, in a rather mideval looking dungeon. Okay, maybe something out of The Brothers Karamazov. If they’re in Moscow (likely, I think), that makes the most sense to me.

        Yeah, that could be Casey.

    • atcDave says:

      I hope those are from 4.12. I was getting worried if Sarah would be doing the Miranda Lawson thing all episode. Its also good if they get to talk, even if a mission apparently has to wrong to get there.

      But it does seem like a lot of ground to cover; we know Sarah has to find Volkoff/Frost and try to join up with them, Chuck goes undercover in prison, Sarah comes back to round up her boys, Sarah has to fake killing Casey… and then Chuck and Sarah end up getting captured together???

      Is 4.12 a 3-hour special? It just seems like A LOT of ground to cover.

      • joe says:

        But they’ve always been very good at covering a lot of ground! Especially in climatic episodes, like Colonel and The Other Guy and Subway. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it’s another one of those episodes that leave us breathless by the end.

    • armySFC says:

      the one with black hair is from 4.12. that im sure. the other 3 if i had to guess are from 4.16. the synopsis says it takes place in an old english mansion. and is a costume ball. the furniture looks like things from the old english dungeons. and chucks outfit looks like old english, like maybe late 1800 early 1900. clothes of an uper crust noble.

    • herder says:

      There are seven pictures now, one of John Larroquette, the other six are of Chuck and Sarah in the same clothes, none of Sarah in black hair. I think that these are from Seduction Impossible.

      • jason says:

        yea – great time to talk about the nature of seduction missions, with roan there to referee – would be pretty funny

      • armySFC says:

        yep i agree.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        thanks for the heads up. Apparently SpoilerTV first made a boo-boo and headlined them as stills from 4×12 but later corrected them to being pics from 4×14.

        Also here are some stills from 4×13 – http://bit.ly/henWWa

      • joe says:

        Thanks Army, Genie & Herder. Spoiler TV has made the correction, and it makes much more sense now.

      • joe says:

        Hum… Laroquette looks like *he’s* the one on the seduction mission in that white suit and (untied) bow tie. Fancy. But what the heck is that red jumper-like thing he’s wearing???

        Was Roan once in Devo the way Big Mike was in Earth, Wind and Fire??? 😉

      • atcDave says:

        That does make a lot more sense. Thanks guys.

      • armySFC says:

        joe, silk pj’s what else! lol.

      • herder says:

        I don’t know that the guy in the orange jumpsuit (parisien nightsuit) and yellow hair is Larroquette, I had figured him as random bad guy.

      • JC says:

        In that one pic Chuck has his emotional conversation face, Sarah is doing her oh god what is he going to say face and Roan looks like he wants to throw up. Can’t wait.

    • Faith says:

      Does anybody see a ring?

      😉

      • armySFC says:

        if they did get engaged maybe she doesn’t wear it on missions. and this one is titles seduction. then again maybe he never asked or she said no. just a guess.

      • Paul says:

        No ring, but that doesn’t mean anyting.

    • sd says:

      From the looks of those stills…C/S don’t look happy or on the same page…granted they are tied up…

      • Paul says:

        I think Chuck is upset about the seduction and is going through his “process”…..much to the chagrin of Roan who’s tied to a rack and can’t cover his ears…. 🙂

  24. thinkling says:

    Can’t tell. Believe me I looked. 🙂

  25. Paul says:

    DOn’t know if this has been discussed yet, but in an interview with BF, there was talk about a make-out session between Beckman and Roan.

  26. JC says:

    Full Synopsis for Seduction Impossible

    Season 4, Episode 14 “Chuck Versus The Seduction Impossible”
    THE TEAM JETS TO MOROCCO TO SAVE ONE OF THEIR OWN — JOHN LARROQUETTE
    RETURNS AS ‘ROAN MONTGOMERY’ — LINDA HAMILTON AND MEKENNA MELVIN ALSO
    GUEST STAR — In need of an exciting new mission, Chuck (Zachary Levi),
    Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) and Casey (Adam Baldwin) are sent to Morocco
    to rescue Roan Montgomery (guest star John Larroquette). Meanwhile,
    Chuck and Sarah are at odds over their future plans. Back at home,
    Morgan (Joshua Gomez) prepares to meet Alex’s (guest star Mekenna
    Melvin) mom, as Mary (guest star Linda Hamilton) bonds with her
    family. Sarah Lancaster, Ryan McPartlin and Bonita Friedericy also
    star.

    • uplink2 says:

      Pretty much ends the discussion of an engagement in 4.13 unless they are talking about wedding plans.

      • uplink2 says:

        I’m hoping for 4.15 with Carina now.

      • herder says:

        I don’t know, could be a bunch of things; elopement or wedding, long or short engagement, in or out of the spy business, children now, later or not at all, Bartowski, Walker or Walker-Bartowski.

    • armySFC says:

      uplink2, could be. but i’m not sure. i just hope if they aren’t engaged they aren’t arguing about why either chuck didn’t ask or sarah said no. in reality they are about the only things that could put off an engagement. well sarah could have asked and chuck said no. maybe it has something to do with the type missions they take? maybe one had to do a seduction and the other got mad/jealous/upset.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah army I was thinking about the type of missions they do. I can easily see them “discussing” if seduction missions are to be allowed. I’ve tried to have that very discussion with my wife… (kidding!)

      • jason says:

        a possibility is sarah actions in 12 caused chuck to be concerned – I think it gets worse, sarah actually does her seduction after the argument, and that goes over even worse with chuck (my guess is the seduction will not be that cringeworthy, but not the type of stuff I want from chuck but I have given up) … only good news about all this, makeup peck on the lips, so some smelly bum will get sarah’s best seduction, and chuck will get a sweet kiss, he really is a nerd isn’t he?

      • armySFC says:

        dave, i know what you mean! but after more thought, how do you argue about a non engagement? unless something bad happens in the next 2 i can’t see sarah saying no. wouldn’t go against why she went after volkoff? so there could be an us? if chuck didn’t ask yet, you would think as soon as the argument started he would. and if sarah asked would chuck say no? the one option i didn’t consider at all is they broke up and are fighting over why, and it comes from what sarah did during the time she was after volkoff. put away the pitch forks and torches guys! i’m in no way suggesting they do but i feel it must be mentioned to cover all points as to why they aren’t engaged.

      • Faith says:

        I’m trying to figure out in what planet Sarah would say no. No offense intended, but that’s not possible.

        Also the seduction mission per one of the spoilers, I believe is in a women’s castle or something…so if there’s any seducing going on I’m thinking it’s on Chuck’s part. Considering the fact that Roan is tied up, I don’t think it ended well :).

      • atcDave says:

        I could imagine them diving straight into the next mission with no time together after the Volkoff mission too. Then their first chance to talk is on a mission one or both of them aren’t happy about, it could be unpleasant.

        But many sources have bragged about best 10 minutes ever. While I get that many people might not require good things on the Chuck/Sarah front to make that judgement; they have to know a huge and vocal portion of the fan base will not consider an unengaged couple to be anything like good news at the end of 4.13. (oh, and they did suggest specifically that ‘shippers would like it).

        If Chuck and Sarah are not engaged at the end of 4.13 it does confirm all suspicions of an utterly clueless Schwedak.

      • armySFC says:

        faith none taken. i tried to list all the possibilities as to why they could be arguing over not being engaged. so yes there is no way sarah would say no. and as i said in a different post i added break up. i’m just trying to cover all the bases no matter how far fetched they may be.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Faith, I think it would be very funny if Sarah was tearing into Chuck about how seduction missions WERE NOT allowed for him any more! (definitely would count as a discussion about their future, and Chuck’s future of sleeping on the couch)

      • jason says:

        faith – the concern would be chuck does not ask as result of some concerns over sarah’s behavior in 4×12, hence the synopsis. It has been teased that indeed sarah seduces in 4×14, and that chuck does not like it – nice that we will cover some new ground with the gift of the back 111 – I honestly think there will be some point to all of this and I do think this is a real issue that CS do need to address, lets ‘hope’ 4×14 addresses and puts to rest the seduction issue once and for all!

      • JC says:

        Odds are Sarah has to seduce the general and Chuck gets insecure. Sarah and Roan reassure him and point out its all part of being a spy. Then at some point to escape Chuck has to seduce a female guard and Sarah ends up feeling the same way as Chuck.

      • jason says:

        dave – been telling you all along, the engagement got pushed, since the volkov arc appears to be wrapping up in 13, recall fedak saying some story lines were moving out, I am afraid the engagement story is the one. If they do several eps of 2 steps back and one forward, moving them farther apart as the arc goes on, that would be bad, if they just fool around till valentines day which is during sweeps, i.e. 4×15, that would be perfectly understandable, and could be great, much better than a 5 minute proposal at the end of 13.

      • atcDave says:

        JC that sounds like a very plausible scenario.

      • armySFC says:

        jason, i like you idea. maybe they use episodes in the back 11 to bring out concerns one at a time. in this one they deal with seductions. each one has slight angst during the ep but at the end they are both happy and another issue is laid to rest.

      • jason says:

        going wild here, I think those best ten minutes will be the satisfying conclusion to the volkov arc, which is TPTB’s pride and joy, I have a sneaking suspicion that one surprise star will show up in the mix, that contributes to TPTB’s bragging about how great they are – unfortunately, all they had to do is finish 4×11 without the arrest, engage them, put them in bed together, and 4×11 was that episode, those last ten minutes would have been the best ten minutes of chuck – arrest sarah to start 4×12, and do your dramatic thing that you feel compelled to do

      • atcDave says:

        I agree that is a reasonable way to proceed. I do hope though, that we get some weeks without relationship drama! (please!!!)

      • Faith says:

        Is this the same tease that said Gilles was going to be Sarah’s PLI? 😉 Eww. cooties. In all seriousness though I’m looking forward to a seduction mission. I spec’d something like this repeatedly awhile back over at the boards…it’s done with humor all the better. Jealous Sarah is always fun to see. You add in Roan, and it’s going to be even better.

      • jason says:

        JC – that would make 15 the girlfriends think my boyfriend is a nerd, and 16 the brunette episode, can beefcake be far behind?

      • thinkling says:

        Army, they could do that, but personally I’d rather not see the back 11 turn into the revolving Bartowski issue du jour. I would like to see a bunch of solid action/comedy/romance outings with a passionate, empowered Chuck & Sarah awesome spy couple. Occasional issues sure, but not every week.

      • JC says:

        I was also thinking that Seduction and Cat Squad might cover some issues related to being a spy couple. They really haven’t touched that yet. And by the end both Chuck and Sarah will have overcome whatever bumps. So then we get a role reversal with this Vivian character. Chuck is made her handler and he has to deal with an asset who has feelings for him that he doesn’t want to hurt. And Sarah has to watch these things go down. So they get a glance of what each other went through.

      • Faith says:

        Great spec JC. I would love that. Chuck as a handler? Take me there! I guess I do like the “angst” after all…just the kind that you know goes nowhere.

      • joe says:

        I’m so sorry I’ve been away again this evening. I’ll catch up, eventually.

        What a synopsis! I think I’ve got it. C&S *are* engaged, but are arguing because Sarah is trying to convince him to *take* the seduction mission that Beckman wants to send him on with Roan. Chuck can’t believe that Sarah actually wants him to do that (the nerd!).

        If someone got there before me, sorry. I’m so behind in my reading!

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Odds are Sarah has to seduce the general and Chuck gets insecure. Sarah and Roan reassure him and point out its all part of being a spy.

        IMHO it will be Chuck who is going to be called to do the seduction. Remember the other major guest star for 4×14 is a woman – Lesley Ann. I know that imdb is not so good but the cast list of 4×14 prominently includes three different women and one “serenading German”. No mention of any General – maybe he makes a very small appearance and nothing more.

        And as for the synopsis -as other have pointed out “at odds with their future plans” could very well mean differences on an early wedding/late wedding etc, etc.

        But I really hope TPTB don’t make a trend of incorporating one relationship issue after the other in every second episode.

      • herder says:

        I’ve seen a clearer version of the pictures on another site, it clearly is Roan in the red suit, and he looks like being forced to listen to Chuck and Sarah discuss personal issues is torture to him. But maybe seeing them work out issues results in his being able to come clean about his feelings to his one true love, Diane.

      • atcDave says:

        That would be fun Herder; but you know, we will have to keep sharp implements away from Ernie if that happens…

  27. armySFC says:

    @thinkling. i couldn’t agree more about liking those type episodes. id rather have the type you mentioned. keep in mind f/s did say in the pod cast that a happy relationship was boring.

    also during an interview fedak said that this episode was in the vein of the honeymooners, and was supposed be light hearted after 4.13. so my guess is the talk can’t be all that bad.

    • thinkling says:

      Yeah, I remember the Honeymooners comment, and I know Schwedak’s tendency to keep tweaking stirring the pot. Thing is all conflict doesn’t have to come from the relationship. And all relationship growth isn’t the result of internal conflict. There’s lots of room for variety, IMO.

      So, I’m thinking if Seduction is more in the vein of Honeymooners, then C/S must be in a good place. Nothing is ever very light if they are on the outs.

      Ever hopeful.

      • armysfc says:

        again i agree. you brought up schwartz he has a history in his shows of relationship angst. i don’t think he knows another way. add to that a fedak tweet that says this arc drives the plot for the rest of the season. makes me think there are plenty of rough spots a head. the other thing they seem to be doing is making the relationship more perfect before they get engaged. that is if it doesn’t happen in 13.

      • thinkling says:

        The good thing about Chuck is that after the fallout from S3 they promised a lighter more fun S4 more like S2. So far, they have kept their word. I think they have redefined what lines not to cross to avoid the fans’ pitch fork riots. They are already breaking some “rules” with Chuck. Maybe they’ll break their mold.

    • atcDave says:

      Schwartz past history has always troubled me as far as what it means for Chuck. I really hope this becomes a learning experience for him and he eventually can figure out some new ways of writing things.
      But then his comment about happy relationships being boring is very troubling. I think (I hope!) to some extant he’s messing with us. But I do think it means we’ll continue to see some form of “issue of the week” at least for the foreseeable future. It does make the occasional episode where things go well that much more appreciated.
      And of course saying something is “like Honeymooners” almost certainly means they are engaged; IF Fedak isn’t just messing with us!

  28. Faith says:

    EW:

    So Chuck finally proposed to Sarah, but why’d they have to ruin the moment?!?! Tell me there’s something coming up to make up for it. — Tracey

    The moon. The beautiful ring. Sarah helping Chuck not make a dork of himself by slipping the ring he dropped back into his pocket. Sigh. Yes, it was perfect. And while I can’t tell you that something soon will make up for the lost moment, executive producer Chris Fedak can: “Yes. We have some really sweet moments coming up. Of course, most of them are between Casey and Morgan. But you never know, maybe Chuck and Sarah can have one, too.”

    • thinkling says:

      Faith, did CF say that in response to the Balcony question, or is that something he had already said before Balcony. I guess I’m wondering if the Balcony moments are the ones he’s referencing.

      • thinkling says:

        OK, I see it now at the top of the whole article:

        Chuck EP Chris Fedak responds to our cries for justice

        So it is in direct response to the let down of the missed moment.

        Not sure how much more they can tease out of sweet moments without the real proposal. All things sound promising.

      • atcDave says:

        Well, I’d say they just can’t get anymore sweet moments without an engagement as soon as the Volkoff mission is over. It’s pretty much a pre-requisite at this point.

        Now that doesn’t mean they won’t try. But if they draw it out any past 4.13 I think we start getting into an S3 sort of situation, with a massive disconnect between what the viewers are wanting to see and what TPTB are delivering.
        They did promise us a more fun season, lighter in tone, than last. This is where they have to prove it.

  29. First Timer says:

    You know, first of all, I think folks are overreacting to the “at odds” line and the pix. (Remember the same reaction to the advance pix of Anniversary? Oooh, everyone said, Sarah looks mad..)

    That said, here’s a thought. Maybe the driving force of Season 4.5 is going to be Sarah thinking it’s time to give up spying to have a baby. That would be a logical inference from the birth of a “niece” in Push Mix. Moreover, they gave the Thai diplomat in Phase Three that odd line about a spy’s “biological clock” ticking.

    And look at the way the writers have progressed the characters during the various seasons:

    Seasons 1/2: Chuck wants out of the spy world and back to his “normal” life while Sarah is the dedicated spy who only dreams of a real life.

    Season 3: Sarah is ready for a “real” life with Chuck, but Chuck rejects her because he now wants to be a spy.

    Season 3.5: The literal an figurative Honeymooners phase where Chuck and Sarah play Hart-to-Hart.

    Season 4: Chuck strives mightily to stay a spy so he and Sarah can continue to go on missions together (referenced in Fear of Death and Balcony). Sarah, on the other hand, is progressing toward “real girl” status and actively talks about her “old self” as something she no longer likes (Phase Three) or must revert to in order to save their life together (Balcony).

    So what if Season 4.5 is subtextually about Sarah thinking about getting out because it’s time to start a family and Chuck rather obliviously missing the signs of how fast Sarah is moving? It would be the attitude flip that the showrunners constantly employ each full cycle.

    It would be “conflict” of a sort that can largely be played for laughs and jokes rather than heavy angst. And if Season 4.5 is the end of the show, they can revive the original ending of Other Guy, which had Chuck and Sarah walking off hand in hand into the sunset and, apparently, out of the spy life.

    • thinkling says:

      Really interesting, FT. I didn’t think of that, but it makes sense and would be fun to watch.

    • Ernie Davis says:

      FT, those are excellent points and a great speculation. I got the distinct impression in the cell scene at the end of Balcony that Sarah sort of implied or considered this her last mission as a “real spy” where she’d employ her “old self”. The implication of having to do it just a little longer to bring down Volkoff and return Mary, thus completing Chuck’s mission and presumably his last reason for remaining a spy, and wiping the slate clean for all the Bartowskis, might be what Sarah considers the last barrier to real-girl-normal. It could be interesting in 4.14 if Sarah had certain expectations upon the completion of her mission that aren’t met, and suddenly you have the gender reversal Schwedak talked of.

      • First Timer says:

        Well, you know, Fedak has said that Baby Awesome is named after his own new daughter and that his wife would have it no other way.

        It may have reached the point in the show where writers are actually projecting themselves and what they are going through onto the situations they create for the show’s characters.

        Besides, since you can’t really break up Chuck and Sarah, writers really do need to create some conflict SOMEWHERE.

        I actually was very much impressed when Schwartz/Fedak said that Chuck and Sarah are still different people. So if whatever the future remains for the show focuses on how the Chuck character and the Sarah character look at “spy life” and “real life” through different prisms, it could be fun. (As long as it is not soap opera.)

        Besides, I am assuming two Sarah back stories in these final 11. The Cat Squad one will probably be very much like Wookie (i.e., some of Sarah’s spy past) and the second one would focus on personal past, a la Cougars.

        There HAD to be some reason they allowed a freelance writer like Denby invent Sarah’s proposal story. That cannot be throw-away dialogue. They obviously have a mom (or perhaps even mom and grandparents) back story in mind. It might or might not bring back Gary Cole in the Jack Burton role, but clearly the showrunners have the reason now to finally introduce exposition on Sarah’s mother.

      • First Timer says:

        @atcdave:
        I am pretty serious about the baby spec from the Sarah character’s point of view. Children are ALWAYS on a woman’s mind. It is a decision we have to make.

        I wouldn’t expect them to have Sarah say, “Chuck, we need to quit because it’s time for us to have kids,” but a woman gets a niece, she’s in a commited relationship that is leading to marriage, you DO start thinking about how you can manage motherhood and a career.

        So Sarah jumping into that phase of her life (the thinking, if not the doing) could be hilarious because of how much the writers made her agonize over every decision as a “real girl.” They have posited a woman who spent months deciding to unpack. They could have a field day with Sarah starting to think about being a mom…

      • atcDave says:

        Okay FT, I don’t doubt it could work. And I’m sure I would enjoy it. I’m still having a hard time imagining Sarah Walker with babies on the brain, but I’m quite sure I would enjoy that game! I do like the idea of Aunt Sarah being afraid of her little niece at first; and then bonding in the strongest way. But I’ve imagined it taking a bit longer for that to play out. (I still hope they wait until a possible S6 or later before they really go that route!)

      • Ernie Davis says:

        Agreed FT, don’t play it as a soap opera. That never works.

      • Faith says:

        I’m pretty much on board with conflict has to be somewhere. I don’t know if it’s baby related or something but I certainly can see that. And yes women do have to make a conscious decision about these things. Esp. if you’re in a committed relationship.

      • jason says:

        @FT – you think the engagement will occur in 4×13 too? @Faith – I do follow the teaser / spoiler guy, IMO he tells more or less the spoilery truth to one blogger, he might not lie with his main teasers, but they are very deceptive, but he often is quite frank to one particular person. I think no engagement in 13, but something very special happens, like papa B’s return, although that is a spitball.

        I think CS fight over 4×12’s evil sarah in 4×14, then sarah does seduce and chuck doens’t like it in 4×14, same old stuff, but nothing horrible, just the central relational drama that has become this season’s 800lb gorilla. I think in 4×15, sarah more steps up to the relational plate at some point in front of her old team, and chuck is less girlish too. Finally, I now think 4×16 is the odds on fav for the first real shot at an engagement.

        As an aside, I think 4×12 is going to have some pretty bad moments, hence the very early release of the hello boys and the cs kiss, much like last season when TPTB went ‘oh crap’, also that was the reason for coming out in interviews now and trying to re-inforce the fan base. I think they underestimated the screwup nature of making a dark 4×12 then pulling the engagement from 4×13, as well as the reducing the proposal to a joke in 4×11. I would not be surprised at all to see some pretty major leaks of info going forward, to shore things up.

        I know I am a broken record, but I don’t understand, they do this every season, and IT NEVER WORKS, they take the show dark, they take Sarah dark, as she is the only dramatic actor they have, and again, just as viewership is ratcheting up, oh well

        I love TPTB, bless their souls.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Jason

        Were we also not led to believe that the DYLM question was not in 3×13 but in the back 6 and it’s context was different? And look what happened in 3×13.

      • sd says:

        Very interesting spec FT. And Ernie, when you put that spin on it…I see that cell scene through a different prism and perhaps one the showrunners want.

    • atcDave says:

      I like a lot of this First Timer. I do agree about over-reacting to “at odds”. They’ve certainly played games with the wording of synopsis before, and yet the season has been mostly light and fun in spite of some of our reactions.
      I’m not sure how seriously you meant the baby speculation; I don’t actually believe they’ll have Sarah react as you said. But I sure do agree discussing and planning a future together is a logical point of low-key conflict for a newly engaged OR married couple. Everything from planning weddings to living arrangements (Morgan!); from household chores to seduction missions could be issues that come up.

      • thinkling says:

        I’m really lost in this thread, so I’m putting this comment here about C/S being “at odds about their future plans.”

        There are two options … at the end of 4.13, either they are engaged or not. The more I think about it (pathetic, I know), the more I think that it is more logical to infer that they are engaged at this point.

        If they are not engaged, other than engagement, what other future plans could they be at odds about? I mean, until they cross the proposal threshold, there aren’t really any other future plans to discuss. It’s the proposal that concretizes future plans and dreams. Until then it’s all abstract. So, engagement would likely be the topic in question.

        However, as of Balcony, Chuck & Sarah were both on the same page about the proposal, which was a mere 3 words from being a fait accompli. For them to be at odds over the proposal would mean one of them got cold feet and backed away from getting engaged. At this point, that would be a pitchfork worthy moment … not what I imagine CF had in mind when he said he couldn’t wait for the shippers’ reaction.

        If they are engaged, then the future plans they could discuss are endless.

        I think I feel better now. Not that that means I’m right, but the “at odds” remark doesn’t bother me so much any more.

      • armySFC says:

        thinkling, i said pretty much the same thing earlier. there is one option you left out. they are discussing whether or not they will remain a couple because of events in. 11-4.13

        4.13 could end on a happy note with no engagement and 4.14 opens with them trying to deal with what went on. while not officially broken up they wonder if they can indeed make it work because their jobs could cause them to be separated again for long term missions.

      • atcDave says:

        I like “concretizes”. It most be a real word, my spell checker didn’t freak out. Well, that sort of takes some of the fun out of it….

        I’m also feeling pretty optimistic about “at odds”. You’re exactly right, if they aren’t engaged at that point, its pretty much the only thing they’re likely to be discussing. The engagement itself opens the floodgates.

        Don’t underestimate CF though, I wouldn’t surprised if he really, really likes annoying people!

      • atcDave says:

        The only problem with that spec Army is that they’ve really described 4.14 as a fun episode. I guess if they hashed things out very quickly it could still qualify…

      • thinkling says:

        Definitely a word in Portuguese. I had to double check for English.

        Sorry, Army, I must be slow reasoning today. I suppose you’re third option is possible, but I still think it’s more negative (and backward) than they’re going to take it. It would be like resetting the whole season with the relationship. Not a great move, if you ask me. It would break the bank for a lot of people.

      • armySFC says:

        thinkling, i know its a step back. i just like to cover all the bases.

      • thinkling says:

        While you’re covering it, please, put it in a place where TPTB can’t find it. 😉

        You’re right it’s an outside possibility.

    • OldDarth says:

      Chuck and Sarah at are probably at odds arguing big wedding versus elopement.

      Guess whom is pro-wedding and whom is not?

      • atcDave says:

        Maybe its a role reversal reversal! Sarah suddenly wants the big todo and Chuck’s ready to get it over with! Okay, no way.

      • herder says:

        OD,maybe not the way you think, Sarah may be embracing her inner girl and want a wedding and Chuck may dread the mixture of friends, family and spies at a wedding. After all spies ruined Ellie’s first wedding and Chuck may be worried of it happening a second time.

      • thinkling says:

        HA Herder … that’s funny. My friends’ son and daughter-in-law are both NSA agents. At there wedding the one question that was taboo to ask any of the guests was What do you do for a living?

    • herder says:

      First Timer, I think that is a very likely speculation, two things from the synopsis seem to lean that way, “in need of an exciting new mission” and “at odds over their future plans”.

      Sounds like the team is on the bench, perhaps by choice and they are trying to figure out what they will do together, be spies or something else. A mission to rescue an old friend such as Roan might encourage them to do a last mission while deciding their future sort of like they did in Honeymooners. Remembr there is still Chuck’s promise to get out of the spy game to his sister, maybe Mary or even Sarah starts pushing him on that. To be or not to be spies together was one of the issues of Honeymooners and it could be revisited in Seduction Impossible, in a similarly light hearted way.

      • atcDave says:

        hmmmm, maybe Sarah wants Chuck to quit so he can stay home with the little ones while she saves the world…

      • Faith says:

        Sigh, I miss the times of old synopses:

        Colonel: CHUCK AND SARAH RISK EVERYTHING TO FIND CHUCK’S FATHER— TONY HALE (“ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT”), CHEVY CHASE AND SCOTT BAKULA (“QUANTUM LEAP”) GUEST STAR—When Chuck (Zachary Levi) and Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) go AWOL to rescue Chuck’s father Steve (guest star Scott Bakula), they discover that spending time together without any surveillance allows for unchartered chemistry. But as the two get closer, Casey (Adam Baldwin) zeroes in on their hidden location. Meanwhile, Morgan (Joshua Gomez) becomes the pariah of the Buy More after mistakenly getting Emmett (guest star Tony Hale) promoted. Sarah Lancaster, Ryan McPartlin, Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay, Julia Ling and Mark Christopher Lawrence.

        Now wasn’t that awesome?

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        This was always my favorite meaningless synopsis.

        From Fake Name:

        ** Chuck promises to cook dinner for Ellie, Devon and Hannah, but must first complete a mission that involves him impersonating the world’s most dangerous assassin.

        Meanwhile, Sarah tries to keep her relationship with Shaw strictly professional. **

        I think it’s difficult because we are now leaving the 11 episode proposal arc, with no resolution, for the 2 episode Volkov take down arc.

        The pessimist in me also thinks that after these next 2 episodes we’ll likely spend the back 11 getting Chuck and Sarah emotionally back to “the balcony”. I hope this is not the case, it would be nice to have the relationship in a good place, just bubbling underneath the surface of the story, poking its head up once in a while in the episode and see some other stories, similar to a S2 feel.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Joseph, I think you just nailed the worst fear of everyone who watched S3.

      • thinkling says:

        @Herder

        To be or not to be … spies. Interesting spec. Also Schwedak or somebody said that 4.14 would have a Honeymooners feel to it, or something like that. And that was indeed the question in Honeymooners.

      • The to be or not to be spies question would be very legitimate for 4×14, considering Chuck rejoined the CIA because of his mother. With the Volfoff arc dealt with, the question reappears.

        Not having CS engaged by the end of 4×13 would be ridiculous. They’re talking about since Suitcase… My take is 4×14 doesn’t deal with issues from 4×12 & 4×13. TPTB don’t know how to do that.

      • thinkling says:

        touché Crumby!

      • Joseph (can't be Joe) says:

        The issue with not resolving the proposal is that, after shining a light on it so bright that it can be seen from space, it will become the story point that will not go away (it’s already there). It will easily overshadow any other storylines they are trying to show us.

        It needs some resolution, sooner rather than later, in order for it to be 1) meaningful and 2) not a “thank god that’s over, we can now move on” moment, and also to allow the upcoming story to be told.

        That being said, knowing that the proposal is coming, (and I want to believe it is) and how they manage to get there, are not the same thing. IF (that is IF) they intend to somehow throw the characters under the bus in order to resolve Volkov, then I hope they do not turn around and “magically” fix everything in the last 10 minutes.

        4.11 helps with this as it might be some of the setup to the proposal that is necessary in order to pull it off in the blink of an eye somewhere else in the story. Because otherwise, 4.11 has no point. It is certainly filled with great scenes, no argument. But it has no overall story point.

        Someone above mentionned the DYLM scene, which I agree is very sweet. But is was used to “magically” fix 12.5 episodes of essentially suicidal story telling with no setup. I hope 4.11 works in some way as the setup for hopefully 4.13.

        The next 2 episodes will answer a lot of questions and I hope that for story it answers them in an organic fashion as opposed to some sort of stop / start / fill in the gap by yourself method. We’ll see on Monday.

        PS: I still shake my head at the 20 year mission, I can’t see any plausible explanation for it.

      • Maybe the 20 years could be explained by having Mama B being in fact evil.

        That could be a great twist.

        They take down Volkoff and Mama B is rehabilitated only for us to learn, maybe in a last scene between Volkoff and Frost, that she’s a bad guy. Nobody knows except for us…

      • armySFC says:

        i gave up on the whole 20 yr thing. nothing they can say will make sense. she has been able to travel free for a while yet never found a way to get information to anyone? i figure its left better alone then come up with a wild and non believable story.

      • thinkling says:

        Joseph, the whole 20 year thing really stains credibility. Here’s a stab at it. MamaB supposedly cut ties and faked going rogue to protect her children. At that point, it seems that WITSEC could have arranged something for them, but obviously they didn’t go that route.

        So, she was effectively cut off. And if she was cut off from all government outside help, I can imagine that it would be almost impossible to take down an entire global criminal organization on her own, with only a scientist to help her.

        It’s like she told Chuck. My mission was to take down the organization, not the man, which I still might be able to do.

        I think she chose to stick with the mission at all costs, instead of choosing to find a way back to her family at the cost of the mission.

        Even that is hard to believe, I admit. I hope we get some Intel on that.

      • thinkling says:

        That would be a twist Crumby. Interesting. It could go a lot of directions from there.

      • atcDave says:

        Excellent comments Joseph. I think it’s already too late as far as keeping the proposal from dominating the story. Not to toot my own horn (but I will, toot!) but I was saying way back at Suitcase if they didn’t deal with the marriage issue first it be a season long distraction from the Frost/Volkoff story. And it is. It easily draws 60% of our comments. I think it’s a shame since Hamilton and Dalton have been absolutely brilliant in their roles; but they are a secondary concern most of the time. At this point there is no avoiding the distraction.

        I love your term of suicidal story-telling. I don’t think we’re anywhere near that sort of problem. But if 4.13 passes with no engagement I think that line has been crossed, again.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Joseph

        IF (that is IF) they intend to somehow throw the characters under the bus in order to resolve Volkov, then I hope they do not turn around and “magically” fix everything in the last 10 minutes.

        Hey! When have they ever done anything like that before. That is an outrageous suggestion. *some kind soul throws a box of DVDs of episodes 3×01 to 3×13 at my head* AAAHHH! ” I see the light” 😉 🙂

        Jokes aside, I agree that there has to be some organic solution to the issues raised in 4×11 (aborted proposal) and the issues that may rise in 4×12.

        Someone above mentioned the DYLM scene, which I agree is very sweet. But is was used to “magically” fix 12.5 episodes of essentially suicidal story telling with no setup.

        Totally agree. It was like eating one small teaspoon of sugar after downing red hot chili pepper by the gallon. 🙂

        @Crumby

        Your spec about Mama B being evil truly holds more intrigue. Imagine the last arc of Season 4 dealing with a renegade mom who has acquired a lot of CIA secrets and intends to use them for nefarious purposes. But alas! We all know that it will not happen.

      • atcDave says:

        I think the 20 year thing is kind of silly, and i believe its destined to remain that way.

        There certainly have been prisoners/hostages held for that length of time; but Frost’s freedom of movement makes it implausible. They wanted to have it both ways: the outrageously long absence AND the ambiguity of mom’s loyalties. It just doesn’t hold up well under close scrutiny.

      • atcDave says:

        Except Genie some of us really like red-hot chili pepper. Stick with broccoli, nobody likes broccoli.

      • thinkling says:

        LOL. Personally I agree on the broccoli, buy my son has liked “trees” since he was little. Strange kid.

        I agree that 3.13 was too little return on investment. Good thing they got the back 6. Smart people would have included Honeymooners in the original plan.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah boy, don’t get me going on 3.13. I can’t believe it was ever considered adequate pay-off for the misery arc.

    • armysfc says:

      FT good speculations. i for one have no idea where TPTB are taking us. we have heard that this season was going to be lighter than last year. that was said prior to the new episodes. they already pushed back the engagement due to it.

      do they feel that the back 11 can be considered a new season and move away from what they said? i don’t know. truth be told i wouldn’t mind if it got dark for a while if done correctly. meaning they take the time to explore and work through the emotional mess that this current could produce. chucks fear of being abandoned by sarah. sarahs regret for having to leave chuck and depending on how the casey bit plays out, her guilt for hurting him. casey having to get over what sarah did. that kind of thing.

      if they do it that way pushing the engagement back would make sense. c/s would not be in a great place to get engaged. they would be working together to get over what happened and ensure a better life together once those demons are laid to rest.

      as long as this current arc plays out well i’ll be happy. i just hope it’s believable and not some comic book type ending.

  30. First Timer says:

    @jason:
    I figured you’d chime in almost immediately. And I actually don’t disagree with you. I always thought when Chuck & Sarah were put together, it would be Hart to Hart a la Role Models. (Which is why I like Klemmer, fyi…) But the show runners want conflict in the relationship. You’d REALLY be happier if you just accept that they don’t see the characters the way you and I want to see the characters. They are charting out a mismatched couple rather than two people who meet in the middle and become one.

    @alladinsgenie4u:
    The ONLY person who claimed the DYLM moment was in the back 9 was the Darth Razorback person. To his credit at the time, he admitted he was wrong. But now he’s back to claiming he’s never made a mistake. I just don’t pay attention to him. He confuses his few tidbits of inside information for insight.

    @herder/Old Darth:
    You know, maybe the “at odds” is about wedding plans. I just think coming off a baby episode and a show runner who’s admitted he’s projecting a bit, it might be about a baby. But I do think you could be right. We might be in for several episodes of obsessing about a wedding versus elopement versus small ceremony. I personally would find it boring coming after 13 episodes of minutia about a proposal, but it could be how they are headed.

    @faith:
    No fair. Colonel is the perfect ending to a near-perfect show, the original Chuck. This new show, starting with Ring, is nowhere near the quality of the original show. It’s almost unfair to compare. After much soul-searching, I’ve learned to accept the show as it is, not as it was. For budgetary and so many other reasons, we will not see the likes of Colonel again.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      No fair. Colonel is the perfect ending to a near-perfect show, the original Chuck. This new show, starting with Ring, is nowhere near the quality of the original show. It’s almost unfair to compare. After much soul-searching, I’ve learned to accept the show as it is, not as it was. For budgetary and so many other reasons, we will not see the likes of Colonel again.

      Total agreement.No arguments there. 🙂

    • Faith says:

      I like to shoot for the stars ;).

      • First Timer says:

        Shooting for the stars? Stick with the Lakers, Faith. For Chuck 2.0, think “make the playoffs”! 🙂

  31. Balcony didn’t address the new Intersect at all. Do you think they’re keeping the Intersect stuff for the Back 11?

    • thinkling says:

      In one interview they hinted that there will be some more Intersect stuff. I don’t know where they’d fit it in in the next 2 episodes.

      The 3.0 looks smoother. Even that could be debated, I guess. Maybe the more he uses it the less he’ll need it. Just a guess.

    • armySFC says:

      could be. i want to see how the new intersect handles the information flashes. all we have seen for a while is the fighting skills flashes.

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah, I’m hoping there will be some cool new Intel. Maybe in the next 2 episodes to take down Volkoff.

    • I was just thinking maybe they’ll let that for after the Volkoff arc, because Volkoff doesn’t even know Chuck’s the Intersect.

      Chuck will be using it, but the Intersect mythos probably won’t be address.

      • thinkling says:

        I keep wondering about that. Does Volkoff even know that there is an Intersect. For a long time I thought that was going to tie in somewhere.

  32. Faith says:

    YS interview with Matt Mitovich of TVLine. She talks about wigs, Sarah not knowing that CIA was gonna mess with the end scene/proposal, and that Sarah really wanted the proposal to happen.

    Some preview about what will come: Morroco with John Laroquette, the next few according to her is focused on getting Chuck’s mom back, as is the relationship between Chuck and Sarah: “the relationship between Chuck and Sarah is also the focus and we’ll see what will happen with the maybe or maybe not proposal.”

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      We know that Mama B gets back by the end of 4×13 and if there is a simultaneous focus on C/S relationship we can expect something to go down on that front by the end of 4×13.

    • atcDave says:

      Thanks for the link Faith. Fun interview, no real spoilers but fun. No shock Yvonne loved doing Phase 3, I’d call it a signature episode of sorts for her.

      • thinkling says:

        Definitely that. It showcased her wide range of talent in one episode. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen that kind of range from one actress in one movie, let alone 42 minutes of television. We’ve seen the range all along, but not all at one time.

  33. joe says:

    No real spoilers, but here’s an Yvonne interview with Matt Mitovich.

    Added: AArrggg!!! Faith beats me to it again! 😉

    • sd says:

      Actually, Joe…I think there may have been a fairly big spoiler…in that S/C aren’t engaged by 4.14. Listen to the very last think YS says…am I wrong?

      • uplink2 says:

        Actually I just took that as Yvonne not wanting to give anything away but nothing more than that.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree uplink. I drew no conclusions (I often answer questions around Christmas time in a similar way).

      • thinkling says:

        Everyone is being very cryptic about the proposal. So I think that’s what Yvonne was doing, being cryptic. TPTB seem to want to keep the lid on the proposal. I don’t know how smart that is. I think it shows a disconnect with the viewers. Unless of course they are pushing it back, which … shows a disconnect with the viewers and their own story.

      • atcDave says:

        Ditto that Thinkling; on both disconnects. I really think they should be promoting the engagement, but then I’ve been saying that since September…

      • Paul says:

        Disagree. The proposal is major plot payoff. To give hints and teasers can ruin the moment…especially if they want to do it at an unexpected moment and in an unconventional way.

  34. sd says:

    I respectfully disagree…

    YS was specifically talking about 3.14 and trailed off with the engagement comment…

    I will be the first to admit I am wrong and actually hope I am (in an earlier post I thought the “epic” last ten minutes would include a C/S elopement) but I think the engagement has gone “sideways” for a few more episodes.

    • Stef62 says:

      I agree with sd in that the engagement has gone west for the time being.

      The pic of them tied up and Chuck talking, just smacks of unhappiness, and not just because of the situation,

      TPTB have given ground on the relationship, but have now moved on to a round WTWT on the proposal, which will no doubt be followed by the same for the marriage

  35. joe says:

    I see from ChuckTV.net that the title of 4.16 has been changed to Chuck vs. the Masquerade.

  36. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Can you guys update the the synopsis for 4×15 – Chuck vs the Cat Squad. http://bit.ly/dJ1MU8

    After Chuck reunites Sarah with her former spy team, old grudges and secrets are revealed; Morgan fends off the advances of a former flame.

    • JC says:

      Carina chasing Morgan. I can’t wait to hear the conversation between him and Casey about that.

      And while I shudder at the idea of more Sarah as a spy backstory I think I’m seeing what part of the back eleven is about.

      • sd says:

        JC–

        On the first part–how fun–especially since I think Casey and Carina had a thing, correct?

        But my feeling is that while Chuck has never cared who Sarah Walker was before she walked into his life…I think that has created huge gaps in “emotional intelligence” about her–or as Sarah would say “intel”.

        I think we as viewers need to know Chuck knows as much about Sarah as Sarah knows about Chuck

      • Paul says:

        I disagree that he never “cared”, more like he came to terms with not knowing. And even in the acceptance, he always jumped at the chance to learn something about her.

        And how can you not love Morgan having to fight off Carina? That is going to be hilarious. Especially if this is the eps that Alex takes Morgan to meet her mom.

      • JC says:

        @SD

        I don’t if they ever said it outright but it was heavily implied. And just think of Alex’s reaction to a woman that slept with her boyfriend and father. Awkward.

        I think Chuck has always wanted to know about her past he just refused to push her about it. Although I think that might change somewhat. I’m getting the vibe that these upcoming episodes will be about whether Chuck knows who the real Sarah is.

      • Paul says:

        I think it was implied that Carina seduced Casey in Prague….but Casey ended up getting burned by it (tied up to a bed in his underwear).

      • sd says:

        Paul–
        “never cared” may be the wrong choice of words…but as far back as Cougars he said he didn’t need to know about her past…he knows who she is now.

        while, imo, Chuck has given her a pass on on her past life…(something I wish they would explore) those gaps make this “new-old” Sarah difficult for him to fully understand.

      • Paul says:

        Again, that is what I meant by coming to terms with not knowing. He’s okay with Sarah revealing, but he wasn’t going to push it anymore at that point.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        And while I shudder at the idea of more Sarah as a spy backstory

        As do I, but I am still eager to see what they come up with for her back story.

        I’m getting the vibe that these upcoming episodes will be about whether Chuck knows who the real Sarah is.

        Maybe he decides to know every aspect of her life so that he doesn’t get surprised or shocked in the future. You know, I am starting to wonder if Chuck will be the next villain (in the fans eyes) if he decides to wait on the proposal.

      • patty says:

        In Cougars when Chuck realized it was actually bothering Sarah he made the descision to back off.

      • JC says:

        @Genie

        Since they’ve basically had Sarah follow Mary’s path I could see them making Chuck hesitate. I have no doubt Mary loves her kids and Stephen, but she’s a horrible wife and mother. So from Chuck perspective does he want that same life for himself and future children.

    • joe says:

      Will do, Genie. Thanks!

  37. Paul says:

    JC, I think it’s more accurate to say “who Sarah was”. From the last scene in 4.12, you can tell Sarah is not comfortable with the things she had to do in the eps. Something that “old Sarah” likely wouldn’t have been bothered by. We know she is a different person now. Granted, your past is always going to be there and skeletons don’t go away unless you actively bury them……

  38. armysfc says:

    new promo for 4.13. not sure who the original poster was.

    Link

  39. herder says:

    Ok, a completely WAG of a speculation, Chuck gets the CAT squad together for a Valentine’s day wedding. This is Sarah’s past and he thinks by bringinng her past and future together he is doing a good thing, of course it goes spectacularly wrong but the boy’s heart is in the right place. They have teased the engagement for the first part of season four, why not have wedding fake outs for the second half of the season.

  40. uplink2 says:

    I tried to post this in the 4.0 spoilers but they are closed. Alan Sepinwall has pretty much answered the question about the proposal being in 4.13 with this tweet.

    @sepinwall Alan Sepinwall
    This Monday’s “Chuck” would have been a very satisfying series finale – and I’m very glad it won’t be. #screener

    I’d say know his love of Sarah and Chuck being happy that it pretty much confirms it.

    • Faith says:

      Thanks Uplink. Yeah, I agree. 🙂

      Especially since Sepinwall is an avowed shipper!

      • thinkling says:

        Squ … no not yet. I have to see it with my own eyes. 🙂

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Thinkling will see it to believe in it
        She just wont sqee reading about it
        Her excitement?She is currently bottling it
        Hoping that in the end TPTB don’t deflate it.

        🙂

        Alladin,Enough !!. Just quit it.
        Before someone tells you to shove it. 🙂

      • uplink2 says:

        Yep. I’d say it is confirmed. Also DR tweeted “Way to be subtle, Alan” and then pulled it down. But I want to see it with my own two eyes. Maybe now we really can have the best 10 minutes ever. I posted on ChuckTV that the proposal arc has been the #1 arc this season so far, Mary B is #2 and the Ellie pregnancy #3 so how can you have the best 10 minutes ever on the show by resolving the #2 and #3 arcs but not the #1? It’s possible sure but very very very difficult.

      • thinkling says:

        My mood, if they choose to deflate it
        I’m afraid I really can’t take it
        So I’ll ask you all please
        May I hold off my squee’s
        ‘Til I’m sure they’re not trying to fake it.

      • jason says:

        I just read the sepinwall stuff and read DR’s blog, not sure if they conclusion is engagement, or this is so great (and the implication is ‘great’ for chuck and sarah) such that engagement or not does not really matter

        But sepinwall’s affirmation pretty much says it will be great for CS.

        It is interesting that Schwartz retweeted Sepinwall’s comment.

        Also, sort of interesting the DR has been pi$$y about Sepinwall’s comment, seems like he loves leaking stuff, but retreats to a very different posture when others spoil / tease / release. To me, sepinwall’s comment should only bolster fan interest in 4×13, he certainly did not spoil anything for me, almost the opposite.

      • joe says:

        Jason, I always appreciate your input and commentary, but really, it’s not right for us to discuss other blogs here except to recommend them to our readers for something specific.

      • OldDarth says:

        Jason if you take Sepinwall’s tweet, how the first 13 played out last season, the synopses for 4.14 & 4.15; it seems pretty clear the proposal is coming Monday.

      • jason says:

        joe feel free to pull that comment, seemed like several others mentioned it, I was responding, don’t know why I was singled out, please remove my comment – strangeness

      • joe says:

        Please don’t feel singled out, Jason. It would a good policy for all of us to follow.

      • Faith says:

        I agree Jason. Oops ;). Sorry Joe. I’ll try to do better from now on :D.

      • joe says:

        About people’s schizoid reactions to spoilers? Oh, I agree too! I love ’em & I hate ’em the same way.

        They are definitely a force that mankind must learn to control before it destroys him as surely as the H-bomb! 😉

    • atcDave says:

      That is a very exciting spoiler. I’ll save my squee for Monday; but I’m confident enough to be practicing…

      • First Timer says:

        @everyone:
        I would urge caution only because what would be satisfying as a series FINALE is not the same thing as being satisfied with how they finish a particular episode or arc.

        If your enjoyment of the episode will be based on a proposal (mine isn’t), I could suggest this alternate scenario:
        Sarah brings Mary home, Chuck defeats Volkoff, baby is born and Chuck and Sarah joyously reunite in the very last minute and go walking off screen or kiss passionately until a fade to black.

        As a series finale, that would work just fine. But as E13 with 11 more episodes to go, that would simly reopen the silliness on the proposal. That MIGHT NOT make you happy.

        Just sayin’ that Sepinwall may not have given away as much as the cranky, divisive folk like Darth Razorback would have you believe…

  41. armySFC says:

    i was cruising the internet and checked out IMDB listing for future episodes of chuck. found this tid bit interesting for 4.16. seems one of the female characters is named vivian volkoff. here’s the link. note they haven’t updated the title change yet so i don’t know how accurate it is.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1818604/

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      It’s imdb. It could go either way. 🙂

      Although, since the news about Vivian’s character (who is the daughter of a criminal mastermind) came to light a lot of fans have been speculating that she could be Volkoff’s daughter. If she is indeed so, then we can fully expect TPTB to bring back Volkoff for the final episodes of Season 4.

      • Faith says:

        I thought it was confirmed by Ausiello? I’ve pretty much thought of 2 things as fact since then…

        1. She’s Volkoff’s daughter
        2. She will fall for Chuck (but heh, he’s taken..ULI commences!)

        and well my spec: she will be a villain.

      • JC says:

        I don’t think they’ve been confirmed but I’m betting on that happening. The only thing we tidbits we’ve gotten about Vivian is she shares a lot in common with Chuck.

        My guess we get a S1 Chuck/Sarah parallel with Chuck/Vivian. And probably some kinship between.

      • JC says:

        We need an edit option Joe or I need to proofread more.

      • joe says:

        Yeah, I know, JC. It’s rare to find edit options on blogs; I’ve seen temporary edit privileges on boards/forums like NBCs, of course.

        I was hoping that in some dark corner of WordPress they were hiding the ability to preview what you’ve typed. That’s what is usually offered. But noooooo! Not here.

        Perhaps if we all go charging into their front door (aka users forums) with pitchforks and torches…

        I do apologize for that. All I can do is promise that when I read the comments I see no typos and misspellings. I can no longer distinguish between the words Check and Chuck, so my usefulness on chess gaming forums is very limited. I often think I’m dyslexic, so when I type “teh” and “aslo” I come to a state of complete, Zen-like understanding!

      • Faith says:

        Unfortunately there’s nothing that can be done with edit or preview. We’re really sorry about that but there’s nothing we can do. 😦

      • JC says:

        No need to apologize at all. Just me venting, like I said I need to proofread my comments more.

        Back to the spoilers have we gotten any info concerning the length of Lauren Cohan’s stay on the show. I’m guessing she’s there till the end of the season.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Faith – Thanks.

      More and more hints that the engagement is happening in 4×13? Zac Levi wouldn’t have been discussing a possible marriage if there was no engagement. Right? *trying to convince myself* 🙂

    • Faith says:

      “Josh and Chris and the rest of the team with the writing room. We’re going to go we’re going to do 13 episodes and we’re going to commit to that. And we have our back 11 and…do other things with that. You’ll see a lot of good tie up or…you’ll see some loose ends tie up in 13 episodes and the next 11 will be its own thing.”

      “I would assume we would probably have a wedding. We always end the season with some big end thing. Button…I would find it fitting to end with a wedding.”

      LOL Alladins. I’m kind of torn on this but we’ll see. It’s certainly not outside the realm of possibilities for sure.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        I hope they get engaged – at least for Thinkling’s sake. Cant afford to have her grumpy. My business may suffer. 🙂

      • thinkling says:

        Aww, Alladins, you’re thinking of me. Oh, wait, you’re just thinking of Alladins’s Apothecary. jk 😉

    • thinkling says:

      Great video! Thanks, I needed that. 🙂

  42. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Promo for 4×14. Looks hilarious. Cant stop laughing at the ending comment from Roan.

    Link

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      *brain melting*

      Perfect screen capture. Sarah Belly Dancing for Chuck in their apartment. 🙂

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Chuck, Sarah and Casey enter a room where Roan is tied up and blind folded.
      Roan : “I hear the footsteps of two women and one large man” LMAO.

    • JC says:

      Whoever in the hair and makeup department that keeps straightening Yvonne’s hair needs to be fired.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Agreed 100%. I have always thought she looks really stunning when in curls as compared to straight hair. Nice to know I am not the only one who thinks that way. 🙂

      • Mess says:

        Absolutely the Curls are such a great look for Yvonne, not that she doesn’t look great with the straight hair, but the Curls absolutely look better. Hell I’d settle for a little more volume in her hair and straight over the sort of straight we’ve had all season.

      • thinkling says:

        Curls are fine. Straight is fine, too, as long as it’s not parted straight down the middle and stick straight.

    • Faith says:

      Sarge’s promo breakdown for the so inclined.

      Defibrillators on standby for this:
      Sarah belly dancing

    • weaselone says:

      This episode looks like it’s going to be a lot of fun. It will be quite a treat to see Roan’s second run in with team Bartowski.

  43. Katsumaro says:

    Promo for 4×14 has caused my eyes to like.. die. I hope they come back before the episode.

  44. Faith says:

    Wedding?! Ok maybe in 424:

    Ausiello interview with JS/CF

    TVLine | The episode could’ve easily been a series finale.
    JOSH SCHWARTZ | Luckily, Chris didn’t listen to me. Because I was like, “Throw it all in there. Weddings, babies — it all needs to happen in this episode.”
    FEDAK | It’s true. I held back the [Chuck/Sarah] wedding. We had a lot of conversations about literally getting to the wedding in episode 13.
    SCHWARTZ | We felt grateful to be back this season with 13 episodes. You go into it saying, “Let’s play the hand that we’re dealt — make the best 13 episodes possible but don’t expect more than that.” That’s the exact mentality that’s gotten us through the past four years.

    • Faith says:

      Oh and for those worried about them splitting them up…

      “we’re not looking to break them up or throw too many problems at them”

      TVLine | Will she figure into a love triangle with Chuck and Sarah?
      [Long pause]
      FEDAK | We’ve done the triangle a couple of times. That’s a very exciting character and that’s a very exciting story that we’re telling but I think you’ll quickly see that we’re going down a different road — something we haven’t done before.

      ULI FTW!

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Faith – thanks a lot for the link and info

        Hee, Hee. Vivian will put the moves on Chuck and find herself up against the Adorable Psycho who will protect her property (Chuck) from being poached upon.. Possessive Sarah FTW! 🙂

      • Faith says:

        Let’s hope she flashes the ring Alladins! That would be my “die” moment…like Katsumaro’s is Sarah belly dancing :D.

      • atcDave says:

        That is really awesome news. Some of us were speccing/hoping for something more like this way back in S3. I actually think someone chasing Chuck (or Sarah for that matter) who just really can’t get anywhere could be a fun story. If the go all psycho stalker even better.

        Oh yeah Adorable Psycho; just hope Vivian is a brunette.

      • jason says:

        problem is, when you come out and say we were going to have a wedding and we decided not to, you are sort of instilling joy in a backhanded way, if they even hint of pulling the wedding story out from under the fans now, it is going to suck.

        3 major CS things have been handled that way – chuck telling sarah he loved her, her not answering, sarah telling chuck she loved him, chuck lying to her, and the proposal getting interrupted by sarah going undercover. One problem TPTB have is letting epic be epic … the balcony would have been epic, so would have chuck’s ILU and sarah’s too, instead, all sort of tainted … for a show that is struggling, those are 3 pretty great moments to somewhat tarnish in order to claim you are clever – out thinking ones self?

      • atcDave says:

        yeah I don’t like that they keep putting things off. A wedding last night would have been awesome. But I do think it makes a wedding in 4.24 pretty likely, and that’s something to look forward to. Its also something easy to promote and make a big deal of. It should bring back a number of more casual viewers.

      • thinkling says:

        Thanks for the interview, Faith. Sounds like great fun.

        I’m just glad to hear they wanted the wedding in 4.13. But I think I’d like more than 30 seconds dedicated to it. I’d like to see the engagement period and some kind of wedding with its own episode all to itself. That said, they don’t have to wait until 4.24. 😉

      • atcDave says:

        You’re right they don’t have to Thinkling; but I’d say 90% chance they do.

      • Faith says:

        Reading that it sounds to me there’s a certain amount of “we’re going out with a bang” feel to the original 13…which is why JS said, put it all in there wedding, everything. I tend to side with CF on this (provided of course he doesn’t backtrack and leave it post S4 to S5 —though we can only hope to get a S5) it works better this way and in some ways from ZL’s statements and what we know of the show to this point, it’s fitting.

        Just think of this way: in the first 2 years we’ve had an engagement and a wedding as 2 season finales (Season 1 and 2) now we have a mirror with essentially season 4.0 and 4.5. Or will. A very nice way to go about it considering the fact that as far back as Ring, Ellie and Devon were the couple they (Chuck and Sarah) only wished they could be.

        Though sadly the common theme is really more the perennial cancellation threat, and less the hopes and desires of Chuck and Sarah.

      • Mess says:

        I really don’t mind them pushing the wedding back a little bit. There is so much potential in pushing it back a while, with planning the wedding and all that, that it really would be a shame if they had rushed it. Besides I want more than a 10second wedding at the end of the episode, but it does say something that they were thinking about putting it in 4.13, it basically means they are not expecting a renewal. Also it would be great if they made this Vivian some stalker persona, that goes all evil on them because she has no shot with Chuckles.

      • Katsumaro says:

        First off, @Genie.. Oh god, Adorable Psycho for the win!

        @Faith – Well, the Bellydancing may be my ‘die’ moment, but if she flashed the ring, that’d be my “Sarah Walker for the win!” moment. Granted she’s had many of those moments, but that’d be one of the first of her ‘FTW’ engaged moments. Do want.

      • JC says:

        I wouldn’t be surprised if we got a play on S1 between Chuck and Vivian. With Chuck in the role of handler and protector. And I agree with Faith that Vivian will probably have a crush on the spy who saved her life but Chuck will be oblivious to it.

      • atcDave says:

        Oblivious Chuck could be lots of fun. Especially since Sarah will certainly NOT be oblivious!

      • JC says:

        It would be completely in character too. We know he underestimates his own charms, throw in the the super spy who most likely saves her life and Vivian will probably be all over him. I just like that it might give us a chance to see a role reversal without turning Sarah into a damsel in distress. Plus the chance for comedy with Casey getting Sarah worked up would be great.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC

        I sometimes miss the baiting that Casey used to dish out in Season 2 – he really used to rile up Sarah. I can imagine him poking Sarah when Vivian enters the picture –

        “Hey Walker! watch out. The new girl has a lot in common with Bartowski plus she is also easy on the eyes.”

        “Walker, get married soon, that girl looks like serious competition”

        Walker, we have a situation- someone is trying browse Barrtowski’s network. Get here ASAP.

      • JC says:

        Exactly Genie

        Can you imagine the comments if Chuck and Vivian had to go on a mission as a couple. And I do want to hear Chuck say this at least once “Stay in the car Vivian”. Much prefer if we got that during a Sarah pregnancy scare but I’ll take what I can get.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      And look at how they tried to hedge when Ausiello asked them if Vivian was indeed Volkoff’s daughter.


      TVLINE | Can you confirm that Lauren Cohan’s character will turn out to be Volkoff’s daughter?
      FEDAK : Lauren is joining the show and maybe she folds into the mythology.
      SCHWARTZ : When you have somebody as good as Timothy Dalton you figure out a way to keep him in the show.

  45. joe says:

    So, apparently we *will* get to find out What the Greta thing was all about.

    And later this season, Isaiah Mustafa and Stacy Keibler will reprise their Greta personas…

    Copied From: http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/02/ask-ausiello-spoilers-on-all-your.html#ixzz1Clqyazqn

    Oh, you really do want to click on the link and see the rest of the quote!

  46. bundy says:

    @Mess That would be cool.Chuck got his family back.I just thought it be nice if Sarah had hers.I would like to see Chuck suprise her for their wedding by finding him.Just like he did for Ellie.

    • Mess says:

      Bundy I really agree with it being nice to have Jack Burton or whatever his real name is in for the wedding. Something I’m also hoping on is learning about what happened to her mom. I fully agree that would be a very nice surprise if Chuck found her family for their wedding. Would fit in with the season.

      • sd says:

        Maybe that’s the hoped for S5 storyline? This season..more backstory on Sarah the spy…next season–her family?

  47. joe says:

    I’m not really sure where to place this interview with Yvonne. It’s not about Chuck; it’s supposed to be about the new game she voices, 3rd Birthday. She talks quite a bit about the show, though.

    I’m not a gamer, but this looks more than interesting! Apparently you get to play as Aya, Yvonne’s character. A female lead in a 1st person shoot’em up? Yes. That’s unusual.

  48. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Thanks to Richard (rac2873) for the heads up

    ‘Chuck’ scoop: Ray Wise retained as Volkoff’s lawyer

    Ray Wise, who played Satan on The CW’s “Reaper,” will guest-star in an upcoming episode of the NBC show, co-creator Chris Fedak tells Zap2it. “He plays Volkoff’s [Timothy Dalton] lawyer, and he’s just wonderful,” Fedak says.

    More details here : http://bit.ly/geru9W

    Interesting snippet about Vivian:

    Fedak describes Cohan’s character as a young woman who is “dragged into the spy world” — sort of how Chuck (Zachary Levi) himself was at the beginning of the series.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      JC , your theory of Chuck acting as a handler/protector of sorts to Vivian is looking good.

      • Faith says:

        Go JC.

        Chuck as handler FTW!

        Also woo hoo LH for continuing guest star.

      • JC says:

        It kinda looks that way.

        And it wouldn’t surprise me if she has information about Volkoff’s network/Hydra and they’re using her for it. A clear role reversal of S1. She gives Chuck someone he can talk to about being thrust into the spy world and a better understanding of what Sarah had to go through as his handler.

    • atcDave says:

      I love the idea of a lawyer as a baddie. And you know Ray Wise is someone we’ll want to hate from the moment we see him!

      I do hope Vivian doesn’t become one of those characters who gets too much time and attention. I mean, it could be interesting for Chuck to see the other side of things; but I will get cranky if this becomes too dominant a guest star who ends up taking away from the leads (’cause they’ve never done that before…)

    • atcDave says:

      Some good tidbits there. Like the return of Volkoff. They obviously left the door open, but its great to know Dalton will indeed return.

      While I always would prefer the idea of a sooner wedding; I’m going to be very conservative on my wedding predictions (unlike my always wrong Proposal predictions!). Unless we hear something sure to the contrary, I will expect a wedding in 4.24. I think hinting otherwise is likely just about trying to build some excitement/uncertainty about it. I hope I’m wrong again!

      • JC says:

        A wedding would be a good series finale if the show isn’t picked so I understand it being pushed back to the finale. Personally I’m still hoping Sarah announcing her pregnancy is the how the show ends. That’s why part of me is hoping renewed or canceled they get a little heads up this season.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah JC, I hope they don’t go that way if the show gets renewed. I would prefer a few seasons of Chuck and Sarah together and as a team in the field. The only way to do that after an announced pregnancy is with something tragic, and I’d rather they didn’t go that way.

        But it would be an awesome series ender; so I do hope they have enough notice to write a proper finale.

  49. alladinsgenie4u says:

    And the Gretas are back in business. Let’s hope they mean something this time around and not just long legs and shiny teeth. 🙂

    From StacyKeibler via Twitter:

    @StacyKeibler: On the set of @nbcchuck!!! Excited to work with @zacharylevi and @Y_Strahovski and kick some ass with @isaiahmustafa!

    Followed by this answering tweet from Isaiah Mustafa

    @StacyKeibler super pumped to be back on @nbcchuck… And of course to be kicking ass with you:)

  50. Herder says:

    Apparantly 4.19 will be called Chuck vs. The Muuurder, I may have a new favorite title. This sort of ties into what JS/CF said in one of their interviews that they were working on a Murder on the Oriental Express type episode. Can’t you hear Vincent Price/Bell Haider saying “Muuurder?

  51. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Hey! can someone update the synopsis on the top. Thanks.

    “CHUCK VERSUS THE MASQUERADE” 4×16 – from nbcumv.com

    02/21/2011 (08:00PM – 09:00PM) (Monday) : A ROMANTIC VALENTINE’S DAY IS INTERRUPTED WHEN THE TEAM IS SENT ON A MISSION TO A MASQUERADE BALL IN ENGLAND – MEKENNA MELVIN, ROBIN GIVENS AND LAUREN COHAN GUEST STAR – Valentine’s Day is interrupted when Chuck (Zachary Levi) and the team are sent on a mission to England to protect a reclusive young heiress, Vivian McArthur (guest star Lauren Cohan). Meanwhile, Casey (Adam Baldwin) gets an offer from the mysterious Jane Bentley (guest star Robin Givens). Back at home, Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) and Awesome (Ryan McPartlin) find an unlikely solution to a parenting problem, as Morgan (Joshua Gomez) ponders a big move. Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay, Mark Christopher Lawrence and Bonita Friedericy also star.

    So, Valentine’s day in Chuckverse is a week late. LOL.
    Valentine’s Day Interrupted – Romance Interruptus? Nothing comes easy for C/S does it?
    Morgan ponders a big move – Hopefully it concerns moving out from Casa Bartwoski.
    I really hope we get a C/S dance scene in this episode – it’s been too long and a masquerade ball is the perfect opportunity.

    • atcDave says:

      I was thinking exactly the same thing about Morgan!

    • joe says:

      I got it up there now, Genie.

    • ChuckNewbie8 says:

      Aww V-Day! You go Chuck.

      Muhaha Vivian. I think Chuck’s gonna want to spend some time with his best girl even during a mission and Vivian will see it like what? I’m right here, I’m pretty!…hehe.

    • sd says:

      I bet Morgan’s move involves a move to Alex’s place…what would dad think?

    • herder says:

      No, with Morgan’s concepts of personal space, he is considering moving Alex in, after all, Chuck asked Sarah to move in without Morgan’s permission.

      • thinkling says:

        Awkward. That is just too cozy.

      • sd says:

        That is all sorts of messed up

      • ChuckNewbie8 says:

        I don’t think it’s that bad. When my cousins first got married they and their wives/husbands all lived in one house until they could save up for their own place. And these people were married mind you. Now they live across the street from each other LOL. But that’s more because grandma and grandpa lives with the youngest sibling and they need the child care help.

        Besides it’s not all that different from when Sarah was going to move in with Chuck in lethal weapon and it was engaged Ellie and Devon’s place back then. Though chances are the apartment complex will just magically expand once more with a couple moving into another complex. Though I had hoped they’d saved the family house and Chuck and Sarah could have moved in there eventually.

      • thinkling says:

        I’m guessing another apt in the same complex, too. It’s just so convenient.

        That said which couple moves out? Chuck’s room is iconic by now. Plus it has been fun to watch the slow transformation into their room.

        I was sorry when the old house blew, too. But it would have been an end of series thing because of budgets and sets.

        There’s always Meadow Branch. 😉

      • joe says:

        It’s sort of odd that the other neighbors have no clue that most of Echo Park has been taken over by the CIA and NSA (and the other national defense agency, the Buy More).

        Then again, they don’t seem to be around much anyway. So it’s just as well.

      • thinkling says:

        Yeah, it’s kind of funny that we almost never see neighbors.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Thanks. 🙂

      Loved this excerpt:

      Now that Chuck and Sarah are engaged, is either of them going to be extra-eager to plan the wedding?

      Fedak: We have a really exciting picking-out-china sequence. … Whenever you’re getting married, there are crazy things that happen. It’s one of the most stressful times in any couple’s life. What’s fun for us is to turn that into, what’s the exciting spy version of that? How do we fold it into Chuck’s spy life? As well as the fact that Sarah is a superspy — the more we bring her into the kind of human world of Chuck, it’s exciting to see the woman behind the superspy mask that is Sarah Walker. It’s another great opportunity for us to continue to explore our characters.

      It would be great to see Sarah stressed out about the wedding and also pick out china. Should be a hoot. 🙂

      • uplink2 says:

        I agree. This could be really fun if while on a mission they start discussing China patterns they see lol.

        Also loved this part about Ellie and Awesome.

        and the spy world isn’t done with them. A lot of what we’ve done this season is to explore the spy world from a family perspective, so we’re going to have some very interesting stuff come up for Ellie and Awesome, and how they may perhaps, in their own way, get into a bit of trouble.

        Hopefully they eliminate the whole Ellie is clueless part tomorrow.

    • atcDave says:

      Great link Uplink, thanks.

    • thinkling says:

      Great interview. It’s got me ALL fired up for what’s next and super hopeful for a season 5.

      Getting rid to Ellie’s cluelessness will be such a relief!

    • JC says:

      Honeymooners gave us a pretty reserved Ellie reaction to Chuck and Sarah getting “back” together. I can’t believe they’ll have her react like that to the news of an engagement right?

      • atcDave says:

        I would hope for some loud squealing and hugging; but then Ellie has interacted very little with Chuck/Sarah this season. It would also be nice if we got a family discussion about spying and what Chuck is doing with his life.

      • Faith says:

        Bachelorette party set up by Ellie FTW!!!

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        I hope there’s at least one Sarah/Ellie scene where they do talk about the engagement. But personally speaking I will be satisfied if we get a Sarah/Clara scene and I am looking forward to that more than an Ellie/Sarah convo. 🙂

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @Faith

        Ellie can also contribute by helping a stressed out Sarah select china 🙂

      • thinkling says:

        Yes, one of each, please.

        I want a family confab about the spy biz Chuck and Sarah and Mary and Ellie.

        Definitely engagement reaction from everybody.

        Sarah/Clara scene is an absolute must. Better yet if Sarah is the one in the family with the magic shoulder.

        How about some MamaB action in helping Sarah de-stress and pick some stuff out. Maybe she would be more calm and understand Sarah’s gears better.

        Sarah trying to manage her spy self and her woman-in-love self will be fun, too.

      • joe says:

        Clara might explore the limits of Morgan’s new-found capabilities, Thinkling.

        Oh, and it’s quite possible that Casey is the one with the magic shoulder. Right? Right???

        NAWWWW! 😉

      • thinkling says:

        Casey and a baby … another must see.

        Why is it that I have no problem seeing Morgan with a baby? The man thinks of Tide sticks. He’s probably the guru of baby products.

        And what about Chuck? I think we need a Chuck and Sarah babysitting Clara moment. I can already feel the love. I think Morgan should be their tutor before he runs off and leaves them alone with their charge.

  52. joe says:

    For the sake of posterity, I’ve added the promo video for 4.14.

    You know the one – where not at any point during this mission will Sarah be dressing as a belly-dancer.

    Yeah. That one.

  53. ChuckNewbie8 says:

    From EW‘s what to watch tonight:

    ew

    CHUCK!

    Check out the charlies angels like pose. Although I do think it’s from this episode…we’ll see.

    • atcDave says:

      I assume you meant “don’t think”. That has to be from Cat Squad next week. Glad to see Chuck getting some press. Our own local paper hasn’t recommended an episode since Fat Lady. dang.

  54. alladinsgenie4u says:

    For those interested – Huge thanks and full credit to Sarge (NBC boards) who has just put up the promo breakdown of 4×15. You can now examine each frame in detail.

    http://bit.ly/hJFpuc

  55. bundy says:

    Dont know if you all saw this about Lauren Cohan(Vivian) This character’s fun. She’s actually been such a nice departure from the dark ages,” she jokes. “She’s not quite bumbling. She’s a well-educated person with no purpose, who just kinda gets unwittingly wrenched into this CIA world. This girl is kinda like, ‘I don’t know what to do with my life,’ and then the CIA arrives, and they’re like, ‘You have all these skills, come with us.’ We don’t actually know what her role is gonna be. The CIA comes to protect her, and then events turn.” Cohan says those skills involve weaponry, languages, and karate, and that Vivian is also an equestrian. Fortunately, Cohan is a quick learner. “It was really funny because in the break down, it said, ‘Must be an experienced horse rider,’ and I went for the audition and I booked the job, and I called them, and I said, ‘They do know that I couldn’t just jump on a horse and, like, run, right?’ And they’re like, ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s fine.’ In the end, they don’t want any of their actors doing the really dangerous stuff anyway. They teach you as much as they can, and then they have amazing pros do the other stuff.”

  56. bundy says:

    Dont know if you heard this.Strahotski.com says there is a chance Yvonne Strahovski will be cast as Ms. Marvel in the up coming Avengers movie.If this happens,it would be huge for her.

    • atcDave says:

      I’d heard the rumor. It sort of begs the question she even wants to remain the action/sci-fi genre. Obviously we are loyal and enthusiastic fans, but it could quickly lead to her being pigeon holed. She’s certainly a good enough actor to enjoy broad success.
      I hope she “stays put” in the sort of fun stuff I like; but most serious actors crave more variety.

      • Faith says:

        Not sure she can afford to be picky at this point in her career. Any role is a good role really. It’s kind of like Ryan McPartlin, he auditioned for Captain America only to lose out (which was a bummer) but that would have been a good role for him–granted not one all that different from Captain Awesome.

      • atcDave says:

        Maybe not. I’d love if it happened quickly enough to benefit Chuck too; but that’s even more of a long shot. When is The Avengers scheduled? I’m thinking Summer 2012 at the soonest, which would be of help to Chuck S6. I hope it ends up mattering!

      • JC says:

        Avengers is going to be a blockbuster and she’d be insane not to take the role. It’ll probably be a small part as Carol Danvers that sets her up as Ms Marvel in the sequel or other Marvel franchises.

        I

  57. atcDave says:

    Minor point of trivia. Wendy Makkena, who played the general (Beckman?) in the Chuck Pilot is guest staring as a psychiatrist on tonight’s NCIS. It’s the first time I’ve seen her anywhere since Chuck.

  58. JC says:

    Short Synopsis for 4.17 Chuck vs The First Bank of Evil

    Chuck encourages Vivian (Lauren Cohan) to get in touch with her inner villain for a mission; Morgan’s search for a new roommate has unexpected results.

    • jason says:

      Casey? Jeffster? Does that make it sound like chuck & sarah move?

    • herder says:

      Is Morgan moving out because Vivian has moved in? Or have Chuck and Sarah got a new place of their own (unlikely). In any event it looks like no more awkward late night moments at the fridge for Morgan and Sarah.

    • atcDave says:

      Sounds like Chuck and Sarah got their freedom, excellent.

      I hope we don’t get some angst filled story about Chuck leading Vivian into a life of crime (sort of like Sarah’s role last season).

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Pretty sure it’s Morgan moving out. The synopsis of 4×16 does say that he ponders a big move. I say he moves out by the end of 4×16, starts looking for a new room mate in 4×17 and finally ends up staying at Alex’s.

      Looks like Chuck will be taking point on handling Vivian. Question: Why is Sarah being bypassed as a handler – clearly she has more experience? Is Chuck going to be Vivian’s handler because they have things in common and Vivian feels comfortable around him?

      • jason says:

        yea – you are probably right about morgan moving out, maybe it is CIA policy to team up male / female with long term asset relationships, maybe even the policy is the handler is supposed to seduce the asset, that would cause a little discomfort for chuck, sarah, and most the rest of us – LOL

      • JC says:

        That’s probably part of the reason Genie, who knows better than Chuck about being sucked into the spy world? But this is just spec on my part, if Chuck saves her life maybe she develops an attachment to him. Nothing romantic but how Chuck was with Sarah during the first two seasons. Or there’s the possibility she gets a Volkoff version of the Intersect.

      • Faith says:

        Fair question.

        I’d have to say it could be a simple as if Chuck is to be a full fledged spy he would need to do all the things that Sarah is proficient at…to a certain extent. That and also I don’t see Sarah having much in common with Vivian. Not that she had much in common with Chuck, but let’s face it, Chuck is a noob, he would have followed Sarah to the ends of the earth even before falling for her. Vivian on the other hand might be a tad too cynical to be handled by Sarah, but Chuck’s different. To quote Roan: “we need somebody innocuous, someone with whom she can let her guard down. Essentially the last person she’d suspect to be an agent.”

        From a story-telling standpoint, where’s the (fun) angst in that (having Sarah be her handler) ;). ULI FTW!

      • uplink2 says:

        Remember what Sarah said about her being chosen as Chuck’s handler, “They thought we could connect”. If that is the criteria then it is obvious that Chuck would be the right choice.

        I just wonder if Chuck is going to say “piece of cake” again lol

      • thinkling says:

        @Faith: As long as the “U” is obvious from the start.

    • jason says:

      If they are promising a new, fresh arc, one way to move the arc forward would be for CS to move out, if morgan had moved out, I would have worded the teaser, morgan is looking for a new place to live, the way it was worded, sounds like morgan is staying put, the obvious answer is alex is moving in with morgan, if not her, or jeffster, or casey, the next bet is vivian as Morgan’s room-mate – the little fellow gets all the action doesn’t he?

  59. joe says:

    I finally spotted the “short” synopsis for 4.17, First Bank of Evil. Vivian returns. The big surprise is that Morgan is looking for a new roommate.

    What could that mean??? Chuck & Sarah need more privacy (I hope)? Why oh why is he confused about the issue when Alex is right there? She’s right there. Right?

    Tell me she’s right there.

    Oh, no! I’m Malex ‘shipping! ANGST! Save me!!!

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      I speculated earlier that maybe Morgan in the end moves in with Alex – but that would be too soon. Maybe in 4×16 he does decide that he needs to give C/S their privacy and in 4×17 after much ado ends up as Casey’s room mate.

      And Malex shippers beware. The return of Carina in 4×15 is sure to throw a spanner in the works. 🙂

    • joe says:

      Ack! That’ll teach me to post without reading all the comments put up earlier.
      You know what they say – “Nobody’s human.” 😉

      Thanks to all who spread the word about the synopsis before I got to it.

  60. jason says:

    http://zacharylevifan.com/wordpress/?p=8358

    some words about sarah, inner bride, wedding plans ramping up, episode 4×17, at least the story isn’t running away from the wedding stuff any time soon

  61. bdaddydl says:

    that was a fun synopsis, I also liked the whole needs a new roomate thing…i wonder if Alex will be pissed at Morgan Monday.

  62. JC says:

    http://www.swfangirls.com/

    Their newest podcast has some major spoilers in it.

    Probably the most interesting was this “Vivian finds Volkoff’s greatest treasure”. An Intersect?

    • armySFC says:

      question? why does everyone say she’s volkoff’s daughter? i read the article above and this is how she is described, reclusive young heiress named Vivian McArthur (Cohan) needs protection in England. have they released anywhere else that she is volkoff’s daughter? IMDB had the name wrong a while ago.

      • atcDave says:

        I thought the original casting call identified her as Volkoff’s daughter. They’ve deleted the reference since, but I think its one of those where they already let the horse out of the barn (like “Jill is Fulcrum” coming out two weeks before Fat Lady aired).

      • armySFC says:

        Thanks Dave!

      • uplink2 says:

        Interesting that she is in 5 episodes. If they are closing the season with the return of Volkoff then it seems to reason that Vivian has a connection with him.

        We know she is in 16, 17 for sure so three more after that. Remember Fedak said that villains have families too.

      • atcDave says:

        We’ve also heard Volkoff himself will be returning. So I wonder if she’ll be helping him escape while doing his bidding, or if she’ll be a big disappointment and help team Chuck.

  63. jason says:

    has anyone noticed karina in the kat squad dresses the other 3 girls are in? maybe karina is marrying lou diamond philips, and the other 3 ladies are in bridesmaid dresses. Given I think the ep is supposed to be lite in nature, would set up a great chuck and morgan rescue mission if something goes wrong,

  64. bundy says:

    Hope this doesn’t mean he cant walk Sarah doewn the ailse. Gary Cole has joined the Fox comedy pilot Tagged, TVGuide.com has confirmed.

    From writers-executive producers David Guarascio and Moses Port, Tagged is a workplace comedy set in a coroner’s office. Cole will play James Percy, a respected coroner whose son comes to work for him after finishing medical school.

  65. Kris says:

    From what we read, Vivian is in a scene described as such: “Vivian deals with Chuck like a Volkoff”. So..she seems to be a Volkoff.

  66. bundy says:

    Episode 4.20 will be called “Chuck versus The Family Volkoff

    Taken from: SpoilerTV http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/02/chuck-episode-420-chuck-versus-family.html#ixzz1DjsRWuuJ

  67. bundy says:

    Episode 4.20 is entitled ‘Chuck vs. The Family Volkoff.’

    Guest starring is Ellyas, a mid 30’s African American. He’s a Somali Pirate type Badass Guerilla fighter who thinks he’s the toughest man on earth.
    Needless to say, the only man he fears turns up and suddenly Ellyas changes his tone Taken from: SpoilerTV http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/02/adams-tv-teasers-issue-9-spoilertv.html#ixzz1Dk2cvhc4

    • uplink2 says:

      Loving that episode title! Heck maybe Sarah is a Volkoff too! —— Lisa Volkoff! Jack Burton is Alexi’s brother lol The black sheep if you will of the Volkoff family.

    • Crumby says:

      Shouldn’t it be “the Volkoff Family”? Is it significant of something in that specific order?

      • herder says:

        It’s a Russian family, Dostoyevsky has “The Brothers Karamazov” not “The Karamazov Brothers”, so we get The Family Volkov.

  68. bundy says:

    SpoilerTV posted this…………Episode 4.19: “Chuck vs. the Muuurder”
    Lewis, a star hacker by age 14, is now a British Ops Tactical Officer and described as a thin, bespectacled man. Josie is a young woman with a scary sense of intuition described “pretty in a serious way” (I’m thinking librarian).

  69. uplink2 says:

    From TV Fanatic interview with Yvonne

    So now that Chuck finally popped the question, when’s the wedding?
    You’ll have to keep watching to find out! I only know what happens script to script. The writers don’t tell us much in advance.

    Are we going to go back to learning about Sarah’s past?
    There’s always more to learn about Sarah’s past, for sure. And with the wedding nearing, I would love to revisit it again.

    With Volkhoff already taken down, what can we expect from the rest of the season?
    Wedding planning! More missions! But seriously, some unexpected turns are taken… and it’s the people that you least expect taking those turns.

    My feeling is that those unexpected turns are Casey and Morgan. Casey thinking about the new job offer to leave the team and Morgan no longer living with Chuck and Sarah.

    • I hope they’ll do something interesting with Ellie and Awesome.

    • thinkling says:

      Thanks Uplink. I always love Yvonne’s interviews.

    • jason says:

      IT IS ABOUT TIME – I so want CS to remain stable, and all kinds of crap to happen to morgan, ellie, casey, and awesome, kill em, torture em, wound them (ok, they did that with casey a bunch, but how about morgan in a coma for 6 or 8 eps?), have them go rogue, leave the team, turn evil (seemingly), have PLI’s and LI’s. lose limbs, have long lost love interest show up with kids (oh they did that with casey, sorry) – then have the drama be more centered around how that impacts CS, and how CS fix things for their friends, I doubt my wish really will happen, but this is good news.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        but how about morgan in a coma for 6 or 8 eps?),

        Jason, I really like your comments. Straight from the heart. 🙂

      • thinkling says:

        I know this is not what you’re thinking, and you may not agree. But I think most of Season 4 has been about how MamaB affected Chuck and Sarah. Granted there were other fairly normal interpersonal issues (Sarah’s growth and proposal arc), but the season has progressed at lightening speed compared to past seasons. Whatever passes for angst (I personally think there was virtually none) or darkness (very little compared to the past) in the central relationship came from MamaB, directly or indirectly. None of it was generated from within the Chuck and Sarah relationship.

        I know that’s a little different from what you’re saying, but Chuck and Sarah have been solid all season. But I understand, you want the angst mill grinding farther away. 😉

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      Uplink – thanks

      With Volkhoff already taken down, what can we expect from the rest of the season?
      Wedding planning! More missions! But seriously, some unexpected turns are taken… and it’s the people that you least expect taking those turns.

      Unexpected turns. Hmmm. Vivian turns bad? Mama B visits Volkoff in prison? Sarah sends her wedding invite to Shaw? 😛 For once, Morgan is clueless? 😛
      Devon wears an upper garment while exercising? Casey gets to do something?

      • JC says:

        Sarah picks Jill as her maid of honor. Ellie pushes Chuck to embrace his destiny as a spy. Cole returns to throw the greatest bachelor party in TV history(actually this would be awesome).

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        JC

        And Alex Forrest (Tricia Helfer) returns with a cameo as a pole dancer at the bachelor party. 🙂

      • thinkling says:

        Hilarious Alladins … except Alex Forrest … that’s a no.

      • thinkling says:

        JC, I like the Cole idea. He treated Chuck better than most other male spies.

      • herder says:

        I think Agent Forrest showing up at the bachelor party would bring out girlish screams from both Chuck and Awesome. That said, I want both a bachelor and a bachelorette party. Carina, Mary and Sarah’s idea of excitement would probably terrify Ellie and Alex.

      • I like the idea of the bachelorette party with the spies vs. the normal people! Could be hilarious and I also like the idea of Ellie finding out more about what Sarah’s life has been like before Chuck.

      • thinkling says:

        Agreed Crumby, on both points. Ellie can be the sister that Sarah never had (or hasn’t had recently), and she knows what it’s like to wish for a mother.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        Mama B visits Shaw in prison. walks up to him in his cell and introduces herself as Mary Elizabeth Bartowski, you killed my husband and hurt my children. She then procedes to kick his ass all over the place and leaves him alive but whimpering in pain on the floor crying.

  70. sd says:

    Didn’t know where to put this…but the “audio aphrodisiac” Aracade Fire won best album of the year at the Grammy’s last night. Chuck from S1 would be proud.

  71. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Another Yvonne interview – TVGuide

    http://www.tvguide.com/News/Yvonne-Strahovski-Chuck-1029474.aspx

    Some excerpts:

    “It’s often the death of the show when you break the tension and the two lead characters get together,” Strahovski tells TVGuide.com. “We’ve created a new dynamic [that’s] slightly Mr. & Mrs. Smith in a way. It’s a healthy union for our show. … I like the fact that we’re together.”

    But that doesn’t mean the happy couple won’t face some challenges. In particular, Sarah, who has forsaken having a family for the more adventurous life as a hardened spy, will battle some major adjustment issues as she begins to settle down.

    “Ever since Chuck and Sarah finally got together, I feel like Sarah has been becoming more normal,” Strahovski says. “From Season 1, she’s struggled with that. She’s really been about being a spy and her family life hasn’t been exactly normal either.”

    Agreeing to Chuck’s proposal is just the first step in normality for Sarah, who would rather be off on missions than planning the impending nuptials. “Sarah is still learning how to plan a wedding,” Strahovski says. “Ellie [Sarah Lancaster], Chuck’s sister, is a real girl and knows how to do all that stuff, whereas Sarah is a total dork and has no idea. [She] doesn’t really get as excited about it, which is a problem. She loves Chuck, but Sarah hasn’t started caring about planning the wedding. Thatmight change.”

    And this had me hooting with laughter. 🙂

    “I have moments of panic when I’m driving home because I realize I’m not wearing the engagement ring, and I go, ‘Oh, where’s my ring?!'” she says with a laugh. “And then I realize it’s not really my ring.”

    Hopefully the ring will be on full display during the coming episodes.

    • uplink2 says:

      Love this part as well.

      Because Sarah doesn’t have a large family like her fianc, Chuck will go on the hunt to find people from her past to be a part of their celebration. “He discovers that she used to have a cat squad,” Strahovski says of Monday’s episode, which includes the return appearance of Carina (Mini Anden). “Later on in the season, we might go back and revisit Sarah’s past in terms of family stuff.”

      So it seems there will be something bigger coming after tonights episode. Paging Gary Cole!!

    • That TV Guide interview is great!

      Ellie/Sarah stuff, yes please! Finally! More Walker family stuff, awesome! And the ring! 🙂

    • herder says:

      All these interviews are getting me up for this episode, I wonder if we’ll get a flashback scene with the old Sarah saying something like “if I ever look like I’m setteling into the domestic life, shoot me please”.

      • armysfc says:

        herder, i dunno but i doubt it. to me it always seemed that sarah wanted to settle down but believed she never would be able to. like the saying, its was something she always wanted but was afraid she couldn’t have it.

    • atcDave says:

      Great interview. I am seriously excited for tonight.

      • jason says:

        I love the stand alone happy eps – I would dread what’s coming after 4×15 – other than the little that has been spoiled for 16 and beyond, seems really fun …. it just never has been in the past, so I doubt it will be this arc either, maybe that will be the twist, the show will continue to be fun, warm, family, joyful, mixing in a clever spy plot, one can only hope.

    • atcDave says:

      One of the funniest, most satisfying things in reading Interviews with Yvonne this season has been her own changes in attitude over the course of the series. There was one interview back before S2 where she caused a minor furor by stating she really wanted for Sarah to have a big romance with someone other than Chuck. Many of us weren’t pleased; but I know she made a variety of comments at that time that indicated to me she had little real affection for the character(s) and simply wanted to play as many different situations/moods/scenarios as she could. Its like she was viewing the show purely in terms of her resume.
      How different her interviews read now! I’m not sure if she’s actually become a bit of a ‘shipper herself, or if she’s simply realized her job security is related to pleasing her fans. But it sure does seem like she’s come to care about some of the same things many of us do.

      • jason says:

        dave – I feel like the latest round of sunday / monday promotion for the show has been the interview with the big guns, zach, fedak, yvonne, etc. Don’t you think yvonne gets told what to say, what to emphasize, the ?’s are pre-submitted and the answers are coached. Hence, in season 2 she had better promote LI’s, as TPTB knew they were coming, and in season 4, well, I’m sure hoping all this wedding fuss is for a wedding!

      • luckygirl says:

        I think you are right about the PR angle to the interviews. I also think she may have realized from season 3 that the only way for her to have a main storyline and be able to do all the fun things is if her character is paired with Chuck.

      • It made sense back in S1 or S2 to have a LI for Sarah, but after 3 seasons it doesn’t anymore.

        Our expectations towards the characters changes episodes after episodes, it makes sense that it does that to Yvonne as well.

        Not to mention that Sarah is the character that suffered the most from the Shaw debacle, and I don’t think it was all that fun to play those dark days for Yvonne. She was kinda out of the fun. This year, I think Yvonne is having a blast. It’s her season.

        Also I think Jason’s right. I wouldn’t go as far as saying they’re coached, but they probably are told what they can or can’t say.

      • thinkling says:

        I would lean more toward the can and can’t say guidelines. In some interviews they’ve paused a beat trying to be sure of what they can say.

        I think Yvonne is now a shipper. 😉

      • atcDave says:

        I am positive they are well coached on what they can and can’t say, but that doesn’t change the fact we get a lot of information from the various interviews. For starters, I would say Sarah being relegated to second string status for much of S3 may be exactly why she now cares about the romance; its how she gets the most screen time.
        But it is still is interesting how much comes through in interviews. I find Zach to be the smoothest salesman of the bunch, and a true “company man”. He clearly says the thing Schwedak want him to, and he likely actually knows the most about what’s going on of the regular cast. Josh Gomez by comparison doesn’t even seem that interested in the show and doesn’t really even stay on topic well.
        I think the best interviews are Yvonne and Ryan. You can occasionally tell they’ve been coached, but both of them are more likely to speak their mind, speculate, and opine than the rest of the cast seems willing to. What I was referring to was an example of how Yvonne’s wants for the show and her character have changed in four years. I think that change is completely honest and reflects on her experience with the show and fans.

      • thinkling says:

        That sounds about right, Dave. Plus if Yvonne is commenting on the ring the way she did, it sounds like she is pleased about the development of the characters in more than a resume type way. I have to agree with your perception.

      • joe says:

        I agree, Dave. Sounds about right.
        I get the vibe from Adam, though, that he keeps the company line grudgingly sometimes. He’d love to say more, but won’t, out of a strong sense of commitment.

        Very Casey-like.

      • atcDave says:

        yeah Joe, Casey-like stoicism seems about right.

  72. uplink2 says:

    Yet another Yvonne interview and she even talks about season 3. But as with all things season 3 it is really about 3.5.

    AX: Do you have a favorite scene or episode from Season Three?

    STRAHOVSKI: So much has happened, I’m doing a Season Three marathon myself, and I’m up to about episode four or five and I’m going to watch them all again, because when we shoot, we’re in such a bubble and we keep going and going and going, we do so many hours on the show, it’s so hard to have the time to actually sit down and watch it. Of course we know what happened [plot-wise], but it’s like it becomes a bit of a blur, because we work fifteen hours a day.

    AX:How do you feel she grew in Season Three and where she’s at in Season Four?

    STRAHOVSKI: I guess what I loved about Season Three for my character was when Chuck and Sarah decided to get together, she fell into a comfort zone within herself. She become more comfortable being a human being. She’s always about the spy world andbeing professional, she’s emotional and can’t talk about it and she finally was opening up a little bit more. And being with Chuck now is going to open her up more and more. She’s more softer and we see a more openly vulnerable side of Sarah Walker this season. As opposed to vulnerable and closed off, I get to be more part of the funny – I’m so much the serious anchor of the show, and now I’m starting to be more in the middle.

    http://www.assignmentx.com/2011/exclusive-interview-chuck-star-yvonne-strahovski-plays-spy-games/

  73. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Spoiler from Ausiello – http://bit.ly/hujyYm

    Question: Chuck fanatic here. Got any more details about Robin Givens’ new boss lady character? —Patti
    Ausiello: NCS agent Jane Bentley “is there to offer Casey an opportunity to set up a new team, a new operation,” explains Givens, who debuts on the NBC comedy next week. “It’s an offer that’s somewhat enticing and would shake things up… He wants to keep her at arm’s length, but she’s coming to him at a time when it’s hard for him to just dismiss what she has to offer.”

    Coming at a time when it’s hard for Casey to dismiss the offer . Hmm. Is Casey getting tired about being sidelined in Team B? Does he crave more dangers/tougher missions?Or is it some service to the country that requires a man of his potential? Or does he feel the need to get out of Burbank to forget about Kathleen once and for all?

    • uplink2 says:

      I think this will be in large part because of Kathleen. That is what that conversation in the van in Rio was setting up. He is at a crossroads with his life and will have to decide if having a relationship with Alex will ultimately lead to Kathleen finding out about it and so he may leave to avoid that for her.

    • uplink2 says:

      Another one.
      http://www.tvguide.com/News/MegaBuzz-Hawaii-Five-1029533.aspx

      Any new missions coming up on Chuck? — Frankie
      NATALIE: Much to the chagrin of Chuck and Sarah, Casey is going to be enticed away from Team Intersect by Bentley (Robin Givens), General Beckman’s frenemy. “She presents him with things he knows are true: This has been your longest assignment; your team doesn’t need you anymore,” Givens tells us. “You were the best sharpshooter and now you’re bartending; you’re doing paperwork. So she presents him with an offer that he can’t say no to.” Two of his new team members include past Gretas Stacy Keibler and Isaiah Mustafa, whose real names will be revealed.

      So could he really be leaving for good or will he decide to stay and pursue Kathleen?

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Uplink, I apologize. I didn’t see your post. 🙂

      • uplink2 says:

        NP. This could be a very interesting storyline. Will he miss this new life and come back to pursue Kathleen? Will Alex be upset when he leaves? How will Team B be affected? He is too good an agent to keep bottled up like he has been so they may realize that a new team could be developed.

        I am very interested to see the Beckman/Bentley dynamic. That is going to be a lot of fun. Talk about a Cat fight!

      • Joeeph (can't be Joe) says:

        Oh god. Real names will be revealed. (Need I say more?)

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Joseph

        Greta angst FTW!! I will throw a fit if they reveal their real names to Morgan. 😛 LOL.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      This is from TV Guide http://bit.ly/fGHsnx

      Any new missions coming up on Chuck? — Frankie
      NATALIE: Much to the chagrin of Chuck and Sarah, Casey is going to be enticed away from Team Intersect by Bentley (Robin Givens), General Beckman’s frenemy. “She presents him with things he knows are true: This has been your longest assignment; your team doesn’t need you anymore,” Givens tells us. “You were the best sharpshooter and now you’re bartending; you’re doing paperwork. So she presents him with an offer that he can’t say no to.” Two of his new team members include past Gretas Stacy Keibler and Isaiah Mustafa, whose real names will be revealed.

      I was partially right. She indeed entices him away saying that the team doesn’t need him anymore. And this sets up 4×18 perfectly. Chuck vs the A-Team. We can now guess that the team will be Casey, Stacy and Isaiah Mustafa.

    • atcDave says:

      This does sound like a lot of fun. I like the idea of playing on Casey’s choices, both personal and career, and seeing what he decides is important.

      We can guess he’ll be back, but why he makes that decision will be interesting too; career, friendship, family.

      • thinkling says:

        It makes sense to explore Casey’s career options. I can’t imagine TeamB without him, and I imagine Chuck and Sarah can’t either. Ultimately TPTB probably can’t either.

        My guess is he’s back by the end of 18, if not sooner. I bet he comes back for a mix of all those reasons, Dave. I hope when he comes back, he’ll have a meatier role than he has had.

        We wanted drama generated from outside the C/S relationship. Here it is. It should be interesting.

      • It makes sense to explore Casey’s career options.

        I’m glad there going there, and this storyline will affect a lot of people, so it can be very interesting. Chuck & Sarah, Alex, Morgan, Dianne, how will they react and be affected?

        I hope it will lead to some changes within Team B. Maybe some new stuff to do, there’s room for stuff with the new Buy More. Or they really need to come back to Casey/Chuck/Sarah, let Morgan in Castle, and have more Casey/Chuck and Casey/Sarah time.

        It’s been great to see Chuck & Sarah together, but with Morgan getting more screen time, it’s put Casey to the side. It is not a criticism. I’m just glad they’re addressing it.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        My bias against too much Morgan is showing below. 🙂

        [snark]
        It’s all part of the grand plan to further minimize Casey’s role in the show and provide for the smooth transition of Morgan into being more and more involved with the spy stuff. Eventually by the end of Season 4 even the Chuck/Sarah dynamic will have been sidelined. Season 5 will be renamed Morgan. [/snark]

        I am kind of glad they are addressing this issue. Team B is now stifling for a guy with Casey’s talents. Hopefully focus on Casey in whatever his new role is will reduce screen time for Morgan (Hey, I can dream, can’t I? )

      • thinkling says:

        … They really need to come back to Casey/Chuck/Sarah, let Morgan in Castle, and have more Casey/Chuck and Casey/Sarah time. … It’s been great to see Chuck & Sarah together, but with Morgan getting more screen time, it’s put Casey to the side.

        I totally agree, Crumby. This may be a way for TPTB to gracefully do a reset with TeamB. If that’s their strategy, it’s a really great way to do it. Casey and Ellie have gotten lost in the Morgan craze/maze. They began bringing Ellie back in Seduction and Cats. Now they can bring Casey back.

        I have really liked some of the uses of Morgan. (I can even accept that he is the best friend who gives comedic bad advice especially if we can have some Ellie/Chuck moments as well). But he has taken on too many roles (sometimes all at once) to the detriment of two of the shows best characters, namely Casey and Ellie.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Thinkling

        Casey and Ellie have gotten lost in the Morgan craze/maze

        This^^

        But he has taken on too many roles (sometimes all at once) to the detriment of two (three) of the shows best characters, namely Casey and Ellie. and Chuck (you are forgetting him)

      • I completely agree Thinkling.

        One thing I do like about S4 is that TPTB/the writers, whoever make those decisions, seem to see the same things we see. Observations that we’ve done about Ellie have been addressed in Seduction Impossible and Cat Squad. The lying part is still there, but I hope they’ll address it in the future as well.

        In those last two episodes, we also had Morgan only in Castle, and I think that after they saw Balcony, that’s a dynamic they will tend to keep. The occasional scenes on the field will be all the more funny if they do.

        Casey being sidelined or the Gretas are other examples, of the things that are to be addressed. Comments like Chuck using his smarts more are also indication.

        Maybe I’m just fooling myself thinking they see the ‘problems’ or possible improvements we do, but at least it looks like it.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        It’s all part of the grand plan to further minimize Casey’s role in the show and provide for the smooth transition of Morgan into being more and more involved with the spy stuff. Eventually by the end of Season 4 even the Chuck/Sarah dynamic will have been sidelined. Season 5 will be renamed Morgan.

        Casey and Ellie have gotten lost in the Morgan craze/maze

        But he has taken on too many roles (sometimes all at once) to the detriment of two of the shows best characters, namely Casey and Ellie.

        Are you guys saying Morgan is the new Sh@w? (That is still an explitive around here, right?) That’s a bit harsh don’t you think? 😉

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Are you guys saying Morgan is the new Sh@w? (That is still an explitive around here, right?) That’s a bit harsh don’t you think?

        Hey, we are not abusing Morgan. But he could quickly turn into a S#@# if they keep overusing him. He is better used in moderation.

      • Faith says:

        well he can cook and seduce with star wars sheets…quick someone find out if he can also give lovely backrubs! 😛 lol.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Faith quick someone find out if he can also give lovely backrubs! lol.

        What is it with you and your sudden weird fixation with backrubs. Enough is enough – woman 😛 😀

      • Are you guys saying Morgan is the new Sh@w?

        I was thinking the same thing. It did seem like he was doing too many things: Chuck’s best friend and personal bad adviser, Casey’s new BFF, Alex’s boyfriend, Buy More manager, wannabe spy, Sarah’s roommate and friend…

        But he’s still called a moron and isn’t consider the best spy in the world, even if he’s shown more skills than Sh@w! His love story isn’t repulsive and he’s funny. They do need to find a better balance with him though.

      • thinkling says:

        @Alladins: Oh yeah, Chuck too … duh. I still think Ellie and Casey have suffered more, because Morgan seems to have taken their time and their roles. They just need to find a balance. And as Crumby said about Balcony, I think they are finding it.

        @Crumby: I think they set the stage to deal with Ellie/Chuck spy knowledge in Seduction 2. It’s coming, and not a nano-second too soon.

      • Faith says:

        If you must know I’m finding a way to deal with the trauma of S3 through humor ;). Belittle its effects through pointed jabs and sarcasm. Hopefully the blog can too lol.

        In all seriousness though it’s all in good fun. I certainly don’t mean to disgust people over Sh@w but merely attempting to lessen his power through farce. 😀

      • Ernie Davis says:

        I’m actually a big fan of the latest backrub to be featured on Chuck. Sorry, posting on my lunchbreak from work, so no visual, but you all know the one. 😀

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        @Faith

        No arguments on using sarcastic humor and taking caustic jabs to deal with S3. I am with you on that front. * now I have to go to an auction. Heard that Sarah is auctioning off her Tiffany earrings.*

      • armySFC says:

        the use of morgan this year is just par for the course of the show. the show this year has a tendency to over do something when correcting past issues. while the c/s relationship moved forward, it did so at a rate i have never seen before. they needed to get morgan more involved and they did, but i feel over did his talents a bit and maybe a little excessively. it does bode well for the sarah/ellie dynamic. i bet we see a lot more of it than we ever did in the past. they just need to strike a better balance in dealing with the past.

      • jason says:

        morgan is sort of the new shaw, if you had any doubt, just think how a great guest star got attached to the 800lb gorilla in the last episode, yep carina, too bad, carina could have gotten her own episode, rather than a lou diam philips / cat squad ep where carina was left on the sideline attached to martin’s hip.

        Another 800 lb gorilla moment, chuck and sarah have an engagment part, morgan / alex / carina almost get as much time as ellie /sarah at the part, there is not a single chuck and sarah moment.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Ernie

        If you mean the backrubs being giving by Sarah to Chuck in FOD, then I beg to disagree. Chuck’s strong shoulders need more tougher and strong hands preferably belonging to a certain not to be named stallion. 😛

      • I don’t know, they may have just use it to explain Mama B’s absence. If Ellie and Devon got into the spy world somehow, they might use this lie between siblings again as an excuse for Chuck and Ellie to not tell each other what’s going on. I hope they don’t but it’s very possible.

        They tend to repeat some patterns, and Ellie not wanting Chuck to spy again would be a good reason to let Chuck in the dark about what’s happening to her like last year with Justin. Meanwhile Chuck still refuses to tell her the truth and they both have information that could help each other without knowing it.

        I hope they do something new, like Ellie going to Chuck because she got information that could help people and she’s thinking about the greater good. That would be, dare I say it, awesome.

        She could also go to Sarah or Casey, which would convince Chuck to tell her the truth. That would be great as well.

      • jason says:

        I am hoping for a new twist to the show, I am hoping someone becomes a ‘secret’ orion for an arc, i.e. we know orion is out there, he / she helps team b, leaves clues, but the audience and the team don’t know who it is.

        I want the obvious signs / clues / hints to point to chuck, and have chuck deny it. Other candidates with clues or misleads along the way, mary, ellie, casey, sarah, and yep morgan.

        One particularily touching way to pull it off, mary asking casey to take over the job, to help chuck and sarah from afar in secret, mary having orion’s fortune, resources, and network available to help casey.

      • Ernie Davis says:

        @Alladin

        Chuck’s strong shoulders need more tougher and strong hands preferably belonging to a certain not to be named stallion.

        I need to unread that. Drumming up brain bleach demand I see…

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Ernie

        I need to unread that. Drumming up brain bleach demand I see…

        Credit for all devious marketing ideas goes to Thinkling. 🙂 BTW, she also handles all international sales.

      • thinkling says:

        Sorry Alladins, I totally unread that. What did you say?

        Never mind. I don’t want to know.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Thinkling
        Sorry Alladins, I totally unread that. What did you say?

        That’s the Power of lov -err Brain Bleach – Latest hit single from Huey Lewis. 🙂

    • armysfc says:

      i’m not sure if this is a good thing or bad thing. please do not take this as an attempt to be negative its just a speculation. it sounds like TPTB may have an inside track about renewal. casey gets a new team and is gone? for a few episodes comes back in 18 goes away till his new team and team b reunite to take down volkoff again. chuck and sarah get vivian as the new partner say 16-21 (shes in 5 but maybe not in arow) 22-23 volkoff arc 24 wedding. chuck and sarah could retire or get out of field work, casey is away with his new team. fitting ending. if it gets renewed then they can get back in the field and casey returns.

      it makes sense because season 5 will need to be much different than 4. 4 centered on the relationship. after they get married they would have to switch to a more mythology based season. i cant see them focusing as much on the relationship after this year. it will be there but not in as much focus as this year. this means casey would get more his style missions as c/s have pulled back some. just an idea.

      • atcDave says:

        I’m sure they’re assuming the worst as far as renewal goes, so I expect a pretty definite conclusion. But I’m also betting Casey is back with the team before the climax. I hadn’t heard of the Gretas being back for an extended stay, but I do hope we some sort of explanation about them.

      • armysfc says:

        yeah dave i agree and said that as well. it just muddled in there. i said his new team and team b reunite, but it could just be him. but alas who knows?

  74. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Another great interview – Yvonne talks Sarah’s upcoming marriage. Thanks to rac2873 on Twitter for the heads up and link. http://exm.nr/fPZoc4

  75. alladinsgenie4u says:

    Latest interview of Chris Fedak by Zap2It http://bit.ly/hSTvXI

    ‘Chuck’: Lauren Cohan and Robin Givens join the action

    After two weeks of close-ended, comedy-heavy episodes, “Chuck”dives back into a bigger story arc Monday (Feb. 21) with the introduction of two new characters.

    One is Vivian McArthur (Lauren Cohan of “The Vampire Diaries” and “Supernatural”), a “reclusive young heiress” whom Team Bartowski is assigned to protect in “Chuck vs. the Masquerade.” Co-creator Chris Fedak says her story “folds into” the Volkoff arc from earlier in the season.

    “Now that Volkoff [Timothy Dalton] has disappeared … there are repercussions out in the world of bad people,” Fedak tells Zap2it. “Lauren plays a character who’s a good person — a totally decent, honest, good person — who finds herself falling into that world. She’s affected by Volkoff’s capture, and Chuck [Zachary Levi], Sarah [Yvonne Strahovski] and Casey [Adam Baldwin] are brought in to protect her.”

    Fedak says he and his fellow writers think of Vivian as kind of a female version of Chuck circa Season 1: She’s been dragged into a situation she doesn’t quite understand and is having to adjust on the fly. “It’s kind of a looking glass on how scary the spy world can be,” Fedak says.

    The other newcomer is Jane Bentley (Robin Givens, late of “Nikita” and “Drop Dead Diva”), a National Security Council official who comes into Castle “because of secret projects she’s working on,” Fedak says rather cryptically. She’ll also try to recruit Casey for her operation. Like Cohan, Givens is slated to appear in several episodes of “Chuck.”

    “She also speaks to the mythology of the show,” Fedak says. “… It’s kind of neat — in Season 1 there were a lot of things Chuck didn’t know, [like] Beckman ordering him to be assassinated by Casey. There were all these things outside of Chuck’s purview. Bentley is kind of a Season 1 character in that way — she brings in her own secrets that will weigh heavily on Chuck. … We’re having a lot of fun expanding the mythology of the show even inside Castle.”

  76. uplink2 says:

    Very interesting interview with Robin Givens. Seems like she will be messing quite a bit with Chuck.

    http://tinyurl.com/6zgejj8

    Lots of great stuff here!

    • uplink2 says:

      Love this part:

      But when she is introduced she comes in specifically with an offer for Casey; is her offer just a way of using him to get to Chuck or the team as a whole?

      R.G.: You know what, I like the way you think! [Laughs] I definitely think that she is using Casey in some respects, and I think once again specifically to get to Chuck and to really push his buttons. So I think even more than General Beckman and these women going at it, she’s touching Chuck in places that are closer to home.

      Editor’s Note: Maybe you should think literal home here, you guys. Like family, home.

      • thinkling says:

        Maybe this is where Ellie gets more involved?

      • There’s so much to come, it’s exciting. I have no idea how everything will come together. There’s still Ray Wise and Ellie related stuff to come.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        ” Like Family , HOME”… Ellie maybe – Mary possibly…. but what if its something about Sarah?
        ~ Nothing would be closer to home for Chuck than that!

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      thanks. It surely is an interesting interview.

  77. bundy says:

    SpoilerTV posted this. Chuck and Sarah suspect Casey is carrying out private missions; Chuck fears the CIA’s new operatives will render him obsolete; Morgan settles in with a new roommate; Awesome becomes uncomfortable with Ellie’s research.

    Taken from: SpoilerTV http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/02/chuck-episode-418-chuck-versus-a-team_22.html#ixzz1Eg3PsNS1

  78. uplink2 says:

    The short synopsis for 4.18 is the most interesting one to yet.

    Chuck and Sarah suspect Casey is carrying out private missions; Chuck fears the CIA’s new operatives will render him obsolete; Morgan settles in with a new roommate; Awesome becomes uncomfortable with Ellie’s research.

    Obviously Casey hasn’t told Chuck and Sarah about his plans but the interesting part are the second and fourth comments. Chuck fears the CIA’s new operatives will render him obsolete and Ellie’s research. Are those 2 possibly related? Does Chuck go to Ellie finally and they work on the infamous laptop upgrades together? Are they planning to Intersect the Greta’s? Will he and Ellie give him enhancements that will make him better than the Greta’s?

    Something really cool is going on and this show is really getting better in the back half this season. If it doesn’t come back for season 5 it is definitely going out on top!

    • atcDave says:

      That is an intriguing write-up. Glad they’re finding other sources of tension/interest than just relationship stuff. Although I must admit, when I say I prefer external tension I mean external to the whole team not just Chuck and Sarah. But still, this sounds like something interesting and fun; and maybe they’ll finally explore the Intersect itself.

    • uplink2 says:

      I think Awesome becomes uncomfortable because she is going to ask what happened to the laptop.

    • joe says:

      Thanks for that pointer, Uplink. I’ve added it to the synopsis above.

  79. uplink2 says:

    VERY interesting new spoilers over at DR’s site concerning The A-Team.

    I think we are seeing a convergence of storylines coming. Ellie, her research and the laptop, the Greta’s being possible Intersects, Mary’s mission, Chuck being “special” and the new direction of Casey. Going to be a great ride going forward.

    • atcDave says:

      Converging story lines is usually the most satisfying way to do things. But if the Gretas are meant to be potential intersects doesn’t that suggest that they should be smart???

    • uplink2 says:

      I’m not so sure they are potential Intersects yet. What intrigues me most is who the other person working for the NCS is and I think that its a real good possibility its Ellie and her research being covertly being funded by the NCS or its Mary. The other possibility is that it is Sarah’s mom and that is how Graham knew about Sarah’s potential and it fits with the complicated relationship.

      • thinkling says:

        Oooo. Sounds really intriguing. how do you spell mythology?

      • armySFC says:

        my bet is it’s mary. they had to do something with her after she came back.

      • uplink2 says:

        The more I think about it the more I believe its Ellie doing work funded covertly by the NCS. That fits with the synopsis of the episode and hopefully brings about the long overdue end of clueless Ellie. I posted over there that I hope its the growth of the Sarah Ellie relationship in 4.17 that convinces her to tell Chuck its time to end his lying to her. That Sarah’s growth in terms of what family means has her help him to deal with it once and for all.

      • jason says:

        b4 4.5 started, I spec’d that 14&15 would be bottle eps, 16-18 the vivian mini arc, and 19 would be a fun stand alone, meant to rival the honeymooners and phase 3, the muuurder episode (which I am guessing is going to be on a train, ala the orient express) – I’m still guessing this, although it is just a guess, I have no knowledge at all of 4×19 except the title and IMDB has 4×19 pegged for april fools day,

        if true, chuck will have several weeks off, probably after 4×18, so lets hope 4×18 ends well to keep fans excited about the show, and hopefully some fun promo and preview scenes will get released.

        family volkov is 4×20, which I assume will begin a balls to the wall, all out feud for the remainder of the season.

      • armySFC says:

        jason i heard 4.18 airs on 14 march. after that i have no idea of when the next one airs.

      • uplink2 says:

        I don’t think Vivian is in 18. She is doing 5 episodes and I think there will be a 3 ep final arc similar to both season 2 and 3. Possibly a twist with it being 4.20, 4.22 and 4.23 with 4.24 the wedding. I expect 4.21 to be the Sarah family episode. Can’t wait to hear about titles for these next ones.

      • jason says:

        I so wish that the wedding would be 4×23 (assuming there is one), then the honeymoon 4×24, the last time they tried the honeymoon theme it worked out pretty well – didn’t it – that might mean vivian in 20,22,23, because vivian is going to have to be at that wedding.

        as far as my honeymoon in 4×24, simply fanwank on my part I know, but I ask any doubters, would you rather have ended the show with 3×13 or 3×14?

      • armySFC says:

        jason i had the same idea wedding in 23 honeymoon in 4.24.

      • atcDave says:

        I do see the appeal in doing the wedding in 4.23. But of course the most likely scenario is in 4.24. If we get an S5 they might start with a honeymoon episode, or pick up after a couple of peaceful months. I kind of prefer that to having the marriage start in chaos.

      • uplink2 says:

        Though I would love that I really don’t see a wedding in 4.23 and Honeymoon ep in 4.24. After the way they dealt with Balcony and the real proposal in the end I think they will respect the couples privacy and we will never see them on the honeymoon. Besides we already have with the only episode I would categorize as completely perfect in every way. So why go there?

        If, and its a big if, we get a season 5 it will start a few months after the honeymoon I believe.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I think that’s most likely. They like putting everything off to the last moment. I don’t think skipping the honeymoon is all bad, just let us know they had a great time; I wouldn’t want to intrude!

      • armysfc says:

        dave you know the wedding will be chaos. its how they roll. look at both engagements, ellies wedding and clara’s birth. did any of them go smooth? so why would they start now?

      • atcDave says:

        Oh no doubt. I’m looking forward to that; guns, knives, explosions, it just wouldn’t be Chuck without a little mayhem!

  80. uplink2 says:

    From SpoilerTV

    Episode 4.21 of Chuck will be called “Chuck versus The Wedding Planner”

    • thinkling says:

      That sounds fun!

    • uplink2 says:

      BTW its written by LeJudkins 😀

    • jason says:

      using my arc repeat theory, wedding planner will be like balcony, 4×22 like gobbler, 4×23 like push mix with the wedding, and 4×24 like honeymooners (by the way, 4×19 like phase 3 & 4×20 family volkov just like 4×10 leftovers).

      I think the honeymooners episode will show the entire cast relocating into new lives, like in honeymooners awesome and ellie left for africa, this time, everyone will be leaving – alex – morgan, casey – katleen or team A, ellie – awesome, jeff – lester, mike – bologna – and chuck – sarah

    • atcDave says:

      well, we know the wedding won’t come until after 4.21! Of course, I think we’d already guessed that…

      Should be fun.

    • JC says:

      I’m can’t be the only who thinks we’ll get a flip on the last two episode from S2 right. Instead of the Colonel then Ring, I fully expect a massive shoot out at the wedding in 4.23, then a small private one in the finale. And depending on the show’s fate either a hook for S5 or a real ending.

      • atcDave says:

        I would hope they’d do something to change it up. Even so, I can’t help but think spectacular shoot-out and wedding in 4.24.

      • armySFC says:

        i have been on board for a 4.23 wedding. i kind of hope they do a dual shoot for 4.24. one like you said has the hook for season 5 and one that wraps up the series. i don’t know if that will be possible because of when the renewal notices come out. if they do get cancled early it would be nice to have an episode that does wrap it up and not leave the fans hanging.

      • atcDave says:

        I’d just about bet some sort of hook for the end, unless they’ve completely given up hope.

      • uplink2 says:

        Well Ep 21 is scheduled to start shooting March 7 according to ChuckTV.net so it looks like 4.24 will be shooting in early April. The upfront is May 16th and it seems likely that won’t know by the time of shooting. Hopefully they will shoot 2 endings as I would hate to have this end on a cliffhanger like season 2 could have.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      We also have a casting call for 4×21 – courtesy of ChuckTV.net

      http://bit.ly/enpV2D

      We’ve obtained the casting call for Chuck episode 4.21, titled “Chuck vs. the Wedding Planner” and written by Rafe Judkins and Lauren LeFranc.
      The wedding planner in question is one Daphne Peralta, a fashionable, fit, smart, sexy woman in her 30s or 40s who sports a New Jersey accent. She’s planning a wedding for the daughter of a Hungarian nuclear scientist, Dr. Klug, who happens to work for Iran. His sons, Bruno, Franz & Paulie are also nuclear scientists working for Iran. But wait…who’s the bride? This episode starts filming March 7.

      I thought that the Wedding Planner would deal with something C/S related, but it doesn’t look that way. Anyways, it is written by LeJudkins – should be interesting.

      • alladinsgenie4u says:

        Wild Speculation:

        Chuck and Sarah kidnap the wedding planner and Sarah takes her place. Should be riot if that happens. Sarah being completely out of sync at first and then getting real good at it even to the point of enjoying herself. Maybe she picks up tips on how to organize and plan he own wedding. 🙂

      • atcDave says:

        Funny spec Genie, I love it!

      • patty says:

        No Casey obviously missed his calling and will be undercover as the Wedding planner!

      • armySFC says:

        question for all. does anyone but me find it weird that the casting call has almost a full synopsis with it? we know more about 21 than 19 or 20. just wondering? thanks

      • patty says:

        @army

        They probably did not want us getting all worked up about CS wedding and then mad when it was another wedding!

      • thinkling says:

        @Alladins, Patty

        Either one works for me 😀

  81. bundy says:

    Mo Ryan just reported that Gary Cole is coming back as Sarah dad.He will be in episode 21.

  82. uplink2 says:

    Glad to see Mo Ryan talking with Fedak again. I’m not certain but I don’t think we have seen anything between them since her great send up of Fedak after Other Guy aired. Loved that interview but I got the feeling she was getting shut out by them after that.

    • alladinsgenie4u says:

      She called him out on the very poor portrayal of Sarah’s character during the Misey Arc . I was also surprised to see today’s interview.

    • Herder says:

      I think that there is a situation where TPTB have to create all their own publicity, if that is the case (and it is not as if NBC is promoting the show) then they can’t afford to snub any critics or reviewers who are willing to write about the show, even Mo Ryan (who got my respect for telling JS and CF after comic-con that other romantic interests wouldn’t fly anymore and then she got my love for the way she pushed Fedak for an answer to the question “what were you thinking and why would this girl go for a lump like that”).

      • Faith says:

        Mine too 🙂

        And I think she coined CRM (central relationship misunderstanding), a fitting acronym.

      • Herder says:

        Also when everyone else was saying how good season 3 was she wrote the article just before Beard saying don’t give up, things will get better. The first critic and the only one to intimate that things were going terribly wrong, the others piled on after Other Guy, but the impression that I got was that she was writing as a fan not as a professional critic, when she was disappointed she let it show.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I always appreciated Mo Ryan for that. She also is the one who told them at Comic Con in 7/2009 that wt/wt had played out. She’s as close to being a fan as any critic!

  83. joe says:

    I’ve added the full synopsis for 4.18, Chuck vs. The A-Team. The Gretas are back with a vengeance.

  84. uplink2 says:

    Not great news or discussion going on at Magnus’s site. re: renewal for season 5. All speculation certainly but still not great.

    • weaselone says:

      Didn’t Magnus at some point claim there was not way chuck was getting renewed for a season four?

    • Herder says:

      Haven’t been there this year, but last year DR was pessimistic about renewal too. It may come down to a question if NBC needs programing in the event of a football lock out. In any event the show itself seems to be in a good place, enjoy it and renewal or not will take it’s course.

    • atcDave says:

      Certainly the ratings aren’t cause for much encouragement. But it’s not over ’till it’s over…

    • thinkling says:

      The same Magnus that said the proposal would be decelerated and pushed to the back 11?

    • uplink2 says:

      Yea I know its all still quite a crap shoot and it truly isn’t over but we are at a crucial point. But it is generating some talk around the net.

      BTW Phase 3 of Emmy4Yvonne debuts March 15th with lots of cool stuff happening!! Time to ramp up our campaign!

    • atcDave says:

      I still think them delaying the last three episodes until May is a great opportunity. If it is billed as the wedding arc, it may pull in some long absent viewers for spring sweeps. That would be a wonderful time to have ratings show an up-tick.

      • armysfc says:

        very true dave. anything positive will help

      • thinkling says:

        Let’s hope they promote the wedding. I mean where were they on the proposal?? Hello?

      • atcDave says:

        They should start by promoting the heck out the wedding web site. A spot during Chuck itself isn’t news to anyone really; but run that same spot during the Today Show or The Office, and it tells everyone who watched Chuck once upon a time that the things that likely drove them away have been fixed!

      • thinkling says:

        Agreed, Dave. But will they? It seems like NBC would figure that much out.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I don’t know. It does seem obvious, and I think even a minimal effort would help. But even minimal might be pushing our luck.

      • patty says:

        They should have ads on usa and scifi. I honestly don’t watch much of anything on regular channels anymore and I doubt I am alone in this. I was watching Star Trek reruns on Scifi most of the first 2 seasons of Chuck. They own a lot of channels and really should use that to cross promote!

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Patty its hard to imagine why they don’t do a better job of that. SciFi and USA are such obvious places to advertise Chuck; and USA does advertise on NBC. Maybe this is something they will get smarter about under ComCast.

  85. Faith says:

    According to spoilerTV, 4.21 is going to be called Chuck vs. the Wedding Planner. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

    • armysfc says:

      faith here is what genie posted on the 25th. it will make your day.

      We’ve obtained the casting call for Chuck episode 4.21, titled “Chuck vs. the Wedding Planner” and written by Rafe Judkins and Lauren LeFranc.
      The wedding planner in question is one Daphne Peralta, a fashionable, fit, smart, sexy woman in her 30s or 40s who sports a New Jersey accent. She’s planning a wedding for the daughter of a Hungarian nuclear scientist, Dr. Klug, who happens to work for Iran. His sons, Bruno, Franz & Paulie are also nuclear scientists working for Iran. But wait…who’s the bride? This episode starts filming March 7.

      I thought that the Wedding Planner would deal with something C/S related, but it doesn’t look that way. Anyways, it is written by LeJudkins – should be interesting.

      • atcDave says:

        They often like to parallel story lines, so I would certainly expect some overlap for Chuck and Sarah.

  86. alladinsgenie4u says:

    We didn’t get the short synopsis for 4×19 but this small spoiler provides some clues to what the episode contains.

    ‘CHUCK’ MUUURDER MYSTERY!
    Chuck co-creator Chris Fedak stopped short of mentioning the name Agatha Christie when talking to me about episode 19, “Chuck versus the Muuuder,” airing March 21.
    “We’ve always wanted to do a murder mystery, so we’re working on an episode right now where something terrible happens to someone down in Castle and Chuck and Co. are given the Sherlockian job of figuring out who the murder is,” Fedak tells EW exclusively. “So we’re working on our own spy version of a chamber piece.”

    Taken from: SpoilerTV http://bit.ly/e6sUot

    • joe says:

      Thanks for this heads-up, Genie! I’ve placed the version I found at EW in the spoiler section for this episode.

    • thinkling says:

      Ooh, that begs the question … who gets killed down in Castle? One of the TR476 installers, or someone we care about?

      • Ernie Davis says:

        My guess is he’s wearing a red shirt and is in the security party that accompanies team B down to the planet surface. 😉 Oh…wait…

      • atcDave says:

        I suspect Ernie is correct. The closest it might come to someone we know is a Greta.

      • thinkling says:

        A Greta would make sense … maybe not even one we know. Not that many people are milling around down in Castle, except in FF … which seemed so odd.

      • jason says:

        robin givens / jane bentley?

      • thinkling says:

        Aha. The plot thickens. I don’t think we’ll lose a major character that early, but it could be a Greta or Bentley (probably a little early for her to bite it). Or the Dominoes delivery guy.

      • uplink2 says:

        My guess is either a Greta at the end of A-Team that gives us a cliffhanger episode and I’m going for Stacy Keibler as I think they might want to go to a woman getting killed as every other person who got killed on the show was a man I believe.

        Or its Bentley and then the suspects become Beckman, Casey, Chuck or Sarah.

        One final choice is its a fake murder and a test of loyalty. But in the end I think this ties us into the Volkoff story as it will be related to contacts he has in the CIA. They need to bring these stories together at some point and this might be the place.

  87. Gringo chuck Fan says:

    http://www.tvsquad.com/2011/02/28/sarah-walker-father-return-chuck-gary-cole/

    – Thought I should post this link… just in case anyone else feels like they have been living under a rock lately… probably old news for yall…
    [Not exactly sure why the pace and contents of my life has escalated so rapidly of late….] ~ cheers

  88. uplink2 says:

    From TVLine:

    http://www.tvline.com/2011/03/matts-inside-line-smallville-allison-mack/

    Singer, No! | Many a Chuck viewer was pleasantly surprised to lend an ear to Zachary Levi’s pipes when he performed the nominated tune from Tangled at this year’s Oscars. Just don’t expect Agent Bartowski – mad Interesct skills or not! – to likewise break out in song. “No, I think the music on Chuck is definitely in good hands with Jeffster,” Levi tells TVLine, shrugging off the suggestion. “They’re rocking it pretty good.” As for what is coming up on the NBC action-comedy, Levi kept things very top-secret, but reiterated what he told us in January, that we’re likely heading for a wedding before the season is over — provided that Sarah and Ellie are left in charge of the planning, that is. “Chuck’s not involved in any of that, so I think it’s going pretty good,” Levi laughs.

    So the wedding seems to be a good bet for this season.

    Been thinking of a good cliffhanger form 4.24. Sarah walks out of the bathroom with a certain “stick” in her hand. They could easily do the stick without saying the results. If they get a season 5 they start season 5 with the test being negative and they have to talk about that scare and that aspect of their new life. If they don’t get renewed they leave it open ended and let the fans think what they want. But the one thing I don’t want to see is a wedding cliffhanger. If the show does not get renewed that would be a terrible way to end it and I don’t think they will based on the lovefest season 4 has been with the fans. But a pregnancy cliffhanger is just fine with me.

    • atcDave says:

      Once again Uplink I agree entirely with all of that. The pregnancy cliffie would be a fine way to go out, whether we get renewed or not. The wedding getting blown up as time runs out or Sarah getting machine gunned in her white dress would be a dreadful season finale, and I think its unlikely they would go that route.

  89. uplink2 says:

    Interesting analysis done by J over at DR’s site:

    J says .

    When 4.11 aired on January 17 it was the first week of ALL NEW programming Mon-Fri On NBC . There was a lot of promotion for most of their shows thanks to the NFL playoffs the week before and the Golden Globes the night before . Also that Monday was the Cape’s first episode in it’s regular time slot and the premier of Harry’s Law . All of NBC’s programming was up that week which led into ” comedy night done right all night ” which started very well , then since declined significantly .

    Some notables from that week

    Chuck went from 2.1 to 1.7
    Cape 2.2 to 1.2
    Harry’s Law 2.2 to 1.7
    Community 2.2 to 1.8
    Perfect Couples 1.8 to 1.4
    The Office 4.5 to 3.2
    Parks&Rec 3.2 to 2.4
    30 Rock and Outsourced are down as well .

    It’s not just Chuck that has lost ratings , practically all of NBC is down across the board in the ratings . Some of those shows can afford to lose ratings on a given night , Chuck just isn’t one of them . When the promotion stops coming , so do the ratings . Or some 49 year old Nielsen viewers turned 50 before the end of January .

    So the trend in younger demo is down everywhere for NBC. But Chuck’s overall numbers are quite consistent.

    • atcDave says:

      The real interesting thing will be what happens next. 1.7 has been our historic low, of course its also where we’ve been hovering the last few episodes. The next episode runs on 3/14, right after DST starts, which has traditionally been a tough spot. Add to that, DWTS coming back; Chuck will actually be lucky to hold steady next Monday. But if it does that could actually be seen as good news.

      • patty says:

        That also depends on rather or not the casual viewer even knows it is back! I have a friend who loves the Event and she had no idea it was even on tonight let alone that it started an hour early! NBC really needs to do something about this.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah, among NBC’s problems with no one watching the network anymore is they can’t advertise their own programming effectively. Well that, and they don’t even seem to try.

      • jason says:

        does anyone know if chuck is going to continue to try a night of drama, like the cape, the event, the lady ‘walker’ failed show in the harry’s law slot in the fall, undercovers, etc next season?

        If they do try, I wonder if chuck even fits that genre any longer – as chuck really has moved more and more into the comedy genre this season. I saw one proposal on another site, that had chuck moving to the late slot on comedy thursday.

        One problem I see is chuck, the event, and harry’s law might appeal to nearly 3 different types of fans – I watch all 3, but I must say, the same types of people would not be attracted to those shows all at once, which has to be part of the nbc monday problem, sorry, I think most of us could do better mixing and matching than NBC did this season.

        Back to chuck / comedy / drama – one thing chuck does have going for it in season 5, it should be able to compliment mutliple nights of tv, if it is brought in as a midseason replacement.

        I have 2 conflicting opinions about chuck’s viewership numbers for the remainder of the season, first, it seems likely chuck will dip below 1.5M soon, but second, chuck seems to be able to beat the other monday shows, hence either chuck will not drop much more, or the event and harry’s law are really going to tank.

      • jason says:

        I meant is nbc going to continue with a night of drama next season?

      • atcDave says:

        I don’t know NBC’s plans, but I could see Chuck pairing better with comedies.

        At this point, even Friday night seems appealing; anything for one more season!

      • armysfc says:

        its a tough question comedy or drama night. most of the comedy on chuck comes from the fact that we know the characters so well. the jokes are subtle and based on what we know. i don’t think people that don’t watch chuck would find jeff and lester funny. they would not understand the last talk between big mike and morgan.

        with the main focus this year on the relationships and if they made the missions tighter they may fit better with the drama. i would prefer a move to friday myself. there is little on that’s any good. i can see an upswing in ratings on that day.

        the thing i worry most about moving chuck to any night but friday is the competition on those nights. i don’t think chuck is the number one show for all its viewers. if they have shows they watch on the other nights and they like them more they will most not likely tune in to chuck.

      • thinkling says:

        I’m pretty unsavvy about the ratings. It seems like the industry and viewing habits have long outgrown the Nielson measuring stick, but what do I know.

        I came across this info on the DVR additions to live demo for Push Mix 1.7. Sorry if it’s a repeat. My question is, though, shouldn’t this mean something in renewal considerations?

        23 February 2011,
        The DVR playback ratings, which were released earlier, has some good news for Chuck fans. Season 4 Episode 13: “Chuck vs. The Push Mix” which aired on Jan 31st came in at #20 on the DVR Playback ratings list and climbed a full 35% to a 2.3 rating in the 18-49 category, when recorded viewers were counted. This beats the 1.7 rating that watched the episode live.

      • armysfc says:

        thinkling i’m sure it does but you need to remember the number of DVR viewers is significantly fewer than live. good thing is they only get counted once. which is a truer count than say hulu.

      • atcDave says:

        Chuck does have a very high proportion of DVR viewers; I’d say as an audience we are tech savvy which is appealing to many advertisers. The thing about DVR views though is they know most of us will skip the commercials, so advertisers aren’t thrilled. Now product placement still works just fine, and that’s one area where Chuck fans have shown a lot of loyalty and enthusiasm. So the +7 DVR numbers aren’t quite as good as live views, but they certainly are better than nothing!

    • Tamara Burks says:

      Maybe 5 people in that range moved out of their Neilsen rating home moved out to go to college or just moved out or aged out of thier range . Those ratings really don’t represent that many people. It’s actually pretty easy for ratings to crash.

      • Big Kev says:

        Exactly why the whole system boggles my mind, Tamara!

      • thinkling says:

        Ditto for me Big Kev. There are millions of people not being counted at all.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        And you can’t volunteer to be a Neilsen family or get your name on a waiting list, they have to pick you. I wonder how you get on the list of people to pick though.

      • atcDave says:

        The one Nielsen viewer I knew (former Nielsen viewer now, its a two year contract) said she was contacted initially by phone.

        That really is something that may be a flaw in the system, I simply don’t pick up if I don’t recognize the caller. Although it’s safe to say if I saw “Nielsen Media Research” on my caller ID I would snatch it up pretty quick. But I would hope they recruit viewers by multiple approaches.

  90. uplink2 says:

    Interesting teasers at DR’s site for Muuurder.

    Chuck’s schoolgirl crush?

  91. herder says:

    Just saw a brief promo on NBC for vs the A Team, it seemed to imply that the Gretas are now intersects “you’re not so special anymore” but as we know promos can be misleading. I imagine the promo will be on youtube by tomorrow and you can make your own call as to what it means. It starts with saying that the intersect has made Chuck special but these Gretas make him less special, oh and they have Casey saying that this is his new team, followed by the old spice guy saying that he isn’t that special anymore.

    • atcDave says:

      That would be completely consistant with the write up, which also suggests Chuck is worried about his pending obsolescence. I’m not sure what the consequences of an obsolete Chuck might be, I would imagine a kill order doesn’t figure into things anymore; and its not like Sarah would want to dump him as a partner because he isn’t state-of-the-art. Maybe its just a male ego sort of thing…

      • thinkling says:

        I think that’s where they are headed.

        It’s sort of the flip side to an Intersect-less arc. Instead of creating insecurity by the removing the Intersect, they create insecurity by removing its uniqueness. Potato/potahto.

        It’s going to be a face-off between GB/TeamB and Bentley/TeamA. Casey will end up in the middle. Remember when GB was defending Chuck to the panel in Subway? Chuck is not what the Intersect Project envisioned. But old-spice-guy with the Intersect is probably exactly what they had in mind. And now they have a female Intersect counter part to make Sarah a less special, too.

        GB will still stake her rep on Chuck Bartowski. Bentley will boast of having created the real deal. Before it’s over, Chuck’s specialness will be demonstrated through character or genius or both, and Bentley and the Gretas will have egg on their face … or worse.

        That’s my current guess.

      • atcDave says:

        And it will be so much fun to see Chuck, Sarah, and Casey put that egg right where it belongs…

      • Tamara Burks says:

        I think this might be a good chance for the info about the kill order on Chuck that Casey nearly carried out to come out .

        The order was supposed to be carried out when Chuck became obsolete (luckily Graham blew up and the order was rescinded).

      • atcDave says:

        That would be fun to see. Obviously it could impact Chuck’s relationship with Beckman! Probably not Casey so much, although Sarah might go ballistic.

      • armysfc says:

        i can see why chuck would feel uncertain. i’m sure the greta’s are trained and dont need to rely on the intersect to be physically effective. they know how to do it. second they have the one thing chuck doesn’t. they will kill if they have to, and i’m am sure the male greta would not hesitate to hit a female assassin. chuck maybe smarter than them, but brains can only get you so far, if you need to make a split second decision debating can cost you your life or the mission. be honest chuck needs time for his plans, and you don’t always have that.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        H’mm , didn’t they have someone else have the Intersect and still get thier butt kicked even though they had years more of training, a metal bar and a hostage?

        I seem to recall something like that.

        Maybe if the goal is to make at least Sarah feel less special then she will get why he acted the way he did when he as Intersectless.

        I’m of the firm opinion that it’s the person that makes the Intersect not the Intersect that makes the person.

      • thinkling says:

        Tamara, I thought of him who shall not be named, too.

        I think the very point that will be made in all of this is exactly what you said. The person makes the Intersect, not the other way around.

        Does the government have any idea how lucky they were that Bryce sent the Intersect to Chuck?

      • weaselone says:

        I worry more about the impact of “lots of people can handle an Intersect”. What about the rest? It would make Casey and Sarah far more obsolete than Chuck. Of course, I strongly suspect that these Greta’s will be exposed as having serious flaws, but the writers are treading on dangerous ground with this.

      • JC says:

        At this point my question is who can’t have an Intersect. If they go this route again, they really need to establish why Chuck’s brain is different. They kinda tried last season but it was never clear, lets hope we get some payoff from the laptop and the fixes Ellie made.

      • armysfc says:

        @all a while ago i did some research on the possibility of a person actually being able to become an intersect. here is some information i found out. just a fun bit think what you want!

        1) Our best possible guess of the average human brain’s capacity would by calculating using the number of synapses connecting the neurons in the human brain. Because each of the synapses has different molecular states, we estimate each of them to be capable holding one megabyte worth of memory. Since the brain has 100-trillion-synapses, we can safely say that the average brain can hold about 100 million megabytes of memory. (information gotten from several medical sites and papers)

        2) there are at least 10 people that can remember every single moment of every day of their lives. these people have been tested and have appeared on the Oprah show,

        3) most hidden memories require a trigger of some sort for them to come to the forefront. a good example would be your high school years. you can remember some things but not many. then you pay a visit to the old high school and you see a statue, building or the inside of a class room. suddenly you remember an event that took place there. an argument with a friend, a class you attended in that room, a teacher you forgot you had. you will remember something that you would otherwise not think of.

        isn’t that how the intersect works? the data goes into chucks memory, he sees or hears something that his brain the associates with the memory (intersect data), he recalls that information. same goes for fighting skills. people learn them by repetitive motion after watching it get done. once the brain knows the moves it just takes practice to get them right, until it becomes instinct.

        as for the greta intersects (my bets on them being androids lol. i think greta is short for something like Government Regulated Emotionally Trained Agent.) we keep thinking it’s a full intersect like chuck. they may have found away to just do partial uploads. ones pertinent to the mission they are going on. an upload that only has a small amount of data. they would not need the skill sets like chuck does because they have been trained in them already.

      • thinkling says:

        @Army
        That’s awesome. Thanks for the info.

        I think this part of the plot/mythology will be interesting to explore. Like the rest of you, I’m hoping and betting that Chuck will once again be shown to be special and unique … and that they will figure out that creating a bunch of Intersects is a really bad idea!

      • atcDave says:

        That was an awesome comment army, thanks. I’ve also been thinking about the partial download idea; its easy to see why the government might decide giving agents skill sets needed one mission at a time might be a good idea. The big question I see is; so what’s going to go wrong? Are they still going to have their brains melt like Chuck did without the Governer (maybe it would just take a little longer with a smaller download); or maybe they all develop some sort of God complex and become unmanageable?
        I’m kind of excited about this story. I think there’s some good potential for showing what’s special about Chuck. This may even be where Ellie gets dragged into the spy world. I get that they want her to be “normal” for Chuck, but I don’t believe Ellie just knowing what’s going on and something about how the Intersect works would really damage that.

      • thinkling says:

        I agree, Dave. I think Ellie could participate in some of the neurology side of things and still be the normal sister who leads a normal life as contrast with the sort of crazy life Chuck and Sarah lead. I like her being pulled in a little, but not as a spy, as such.

        I’m also excited about the episode. It’s a way of doing something with the Intersect without it being a malfunction (Intersect or emotional) in Chuck.

      • JC says:

        There’s also the possibility that if Bentley is working with Volkoff the Intersects the Greta’s have could be some kind of behavior program or even make them sleeper agents.

      • thinkling says:

        That’s diabolical, JC … I like it. All the more reason not to have an army of Intersects.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        Even if the other Gretas have an Intersect…. Do they have a Governor? It took Chuck quite a long time to start to feel the full effects… and he was Lucky that his Dad built one for him.
        My guess; that is not technology Chuck would be quick to share.
        Hmmm…. wonder if the new intersects gained their abilities from the same device that Shaw used? I know TPTB would love to have the opportunity to work ‘DS’ backing into their story again ; )

      • JC says:

        @Thinkling

        I just have this picture in my head of Team B, Mary, Carina and Zondra fighting off Volkoff and his brainwashed agents at the wedding.

      • thinkling says:

        @JC
        I’m laughing just thinking about it.

        You know these bridesmaids, the mother of the groom, and maybe the bride will be packing heat somewhere under the wedding finery. Chuck may even have a tranque gun … or a tranque tie.

        What will the father of the bride think? Will the Drs Woodcomb, Sr be there?

      • atcDave says:

        I can’t think of a single good reason for the Very Awesomes to be there; but it would be SOOOO funny!

      • JC says:

        I really hope they do get most of the actors back for the wedding., especially Zondra. Yowza.

        @Dave

        If the Awesome’s were there, I’d love for them to be impressed and happy that their son married into a family of spies. And who wouldn’t want a scene between them and Mary.

      • atcDave says:

        Oh yeah JC. And the proceedings have to be interrupted at least once by guns/knives/explosives. You never know which bridesmaid might be packing heat. There is just so much potential for mayhem and excitement. Not hard to imagine where a few doctors might be needed too.

        All that said, I fully expect it to be a little more understated than we’ve been discussing. At least as far as the wedding itself (it may be less spectacular than Ellie’s first try). I guess the other option would be just a lot of security and Washington brass, that could be funny too. Especially if Jack Burton decides to drop in…

      • herder says:

        Saw a slightly different version of this promo, in this one after the part about Chuck being indespensible, ito goes on to say something like “now that these two can do the same thing…”. So maybe we do now get two new intersects, trained the way the government wants them not in Chuck’s unorthodox way, perhaps it’s not the intersect that makes Chuck effective, but the person and the braing that it has been downloaded into.

    • Judy says:

      Aren’t the gretas only on for only one episode? If so, it would seem this storyline would wrap up pretty quickly. Bentley’s on for 2 or 3 additional, but in some other mythology capacity?

      • thinkling says:

        Yes, I think so, too. The Gretas will be short lived, but I think as long as Bentley is around she’s gonna be a thorn in our collective side.

      • Gringo Chuck Fan says:

        I wonder if the Greta program will have some connection to the explosion in Castle [ there was a twitpic someplace] … or that upcoming Muuurder? That’d be an interesting connection/direction in the story

  92. uplink2 says:

    Great spoilers from Kristin!!

    Lauren: Chuck intel, por favor!
    Zachary Levi was gracious enough to give us the goods on how much trouble Lauren Cohan will be causing. “We’re going to get some super secret weapon component,” he tells us. “Then [Vivian] shows up unexpectedly and all hell breaks loose and Bob’s your uncle.” Sidenote, when was the last time you heard someone use the phrase “Bob’s your uncle?” Keep being you, Zach.

    Heather_r_Flynn: How does a season five for Chuck look?
    Always on the bubble, never above it. Beyond it? Off it? Whatever, we’re counting on a season five of Chuck, and the cast seems very optimistic about it as well. “I think [the chances] are pretty good,” Yvonne Strahovski says. “I will be surprised if we don’t get a season five.” Adam Baldwin dittos his costar’s hopeful attitude. “I feel cautiously optimistic. Until you hear the go sign, I just remain cautiously optimistic.” Give us that go sign already, NBC!

    Read more: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b229721_spoiler_chat_which_true_blood_twosome.html#ixzz1FySRsBES

    Cast is optimistic about season 5!! WooHoo!!

    • atcDave says:

      That’s awesome news, just keep thinking good thoughts.

      • thinkling says:

        How can they be that optimistic? In the past, have they ever talked that positively before an actual decision?

      • atcDave says:

        Well, I hope they’re not just taking things for granted. We’ve seen a lot of good news on less well known numbers, like from NBC’s own TAMI system. They also may have spoken with NBC execs or even the new Comcast folks, and have a really good feeling about things.

      • thinkling says:

        They must feel really good, because that’s pretty strong language. I’d hate to have hopes falsely raised.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah me too.

  93. uplink2 says:

    “Chuck VERSUS THE MUUURDER”

    03/21/2011 (08:00PM – 09:00PM) (Monday) : WHEN A SPY IS MURDERED IN CASTLE, IT’S UP TO Chuck TO FIGURE OUT “WHO DONE IT” – ROBIN GIVENS GUEST STARS – Chuck (Zachary Levi) is put in charge of a top-priority mission, but his leadership skills are pushed to the limit when there is a murder in Castle. Meanwhile, Awesome (Ryan McPartlin) takes on a mission of his own when Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) finds an alarming new hobby. Elsewhere, Morgan’s (Joshua Gomez) leadership is also tested when his Buy More troops wage war against Large Mart. Yvonne Strahovski, Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay, Mark Christopher Lawrence and Bonita Friedericy also star.

    http://www.nbcumv.com/mediavillage/networks/nbcentertainment/pressreleases?pr=contents/press-releases/2011/03/07/nbcprimetimesch1299548286348.xml

    • joe says:

      Like usual, you’re right on top of this, Uplink. Thanks for the scoops!

    • Anonymous says:

      So Bentley but no Casey in this one? Is she trying to ruin team Bartowski by some sort of divide and conquer strategy. Is this the first episode with no Adam Baldwin at all, is it due to writing or some other project that he has.

      • herder says:

        Sorry, that was me, cleaned out cookies and temporary internet files the other day.

      • atcDave says:

        Is that really true? Perhaps its just an oversight that he wasn’t listed in the credits. Although I was recently reading some stuff on Get Smart where it was mentioned that in the 5 years it ran Chief was the only character in every episode. Max was absent once and 99 was absent 3 times.

        So stranger things have happened. Just hope they never give Chuck or Sarah the week off!

      • JC says:

        Don’t know where to put this but Dave’s comment gave me a great idea for an episode. Have it focus solely on Casey’s perspective and how things seem over the top to him. Chuck and Sarah maximum angst in the background, the same with all the other characters. House did an episode like this that followed Wilson around and you caught glimpses of how insane House and his team seem when you don’t know the whole story. If handled right it could be great episode for Baldwin.

      • atcDave says:

        Not so sure about the “maximum angst” part but otherwise I like the idea. Might even work with Ellie or Devon as the observer for the week.
        So many shows try something like this with an evaluator, reporter (reporter would never work on Chuck!), or some other outsider attached to the team for a mission, but Chuck is so rich in secondary characters it wouldn’t be necessary to go that route.

      • JC says:

        When I say maximum angst, it would be how Casey sees it. The same with Morgan and Alex, Ellie and Devon, the BuyMorians and even Beckman. Everything seems worse through eyes.

      • thinkling says:

        Could be done through the POV of 3 pairs: Ellie and Devon, Jeff and Lester, and GB and Casey. Each pair would have different assumptions and motivations for following Chuck and Sarah and determining what is going on with them.

        Could be hilarious.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah Thinkling that could be very funny. Wouldn’t want a whole episode of Jeff and Lester’s perspective, but as say one of three acts each from a different outside perspective it could be quite amusing.

    • patty says:

      Old Spice Guy murders blond Greta and frames Chuck because he wants to be the only Intersect! 😀

  94. uplink2 says:

    Chuck VS The A-Team promo #1

    Link

  95. uplink2 says:

    More spoilers:

    Chuck scoop pretty, pretty please with chocolate sauce on top (just not the way Morgan and Alex used it…ewww). — Ann
    Since you brought up couples, what about some news on one of our favorite TV couples: Chuck (Zachary Levi) and Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski)? When Gary Cole reprises his role as Sarah’s papa, expect not only to learn more about Sarah’s backstory, but also to witness the pair seeing new sides of each other. “I think when you decide to take the leap, and you’re engaged to be married, you’re going to learn more about the person you’ve decided to spend the rest of your life with, but you often learn what they’re like in the most grueling of life situations,” co-creator Chris Fedak says. “And that isn’t disarming a bomb of prepping for a mission — it’s preparing yourself for a wedding.”

    http://zacharylevifan.com/wordpress/?p=8765

  96. First Timer says:

    Well, so much for my idea that the show runners might have been hiding Sarah’s mom in plain sight as the wedding planner from 4.21. Lisa LoCicerough looks a lot like she could be Vivian’s mother, though… 🙂

  97. uplink2 says:

    From Ausiello:

    Question: Any word on a renewal for Chuck yet? I hope to God that it comes back next season! —Archana
    Ausiello: Per TVLine’s Renewal Scorecard, it’s holding steady at “Could go either way” — an assessment recently confirmed by an NBC insider. On the scoop front, General Hospital‘s Lisa LoCicero has been cast as Daphne Peralta, the titular, Jersey-bred adversary in this season’s 21st episode, “Chuck vs. the Wedding Planner.” (And though I say “adversary,” no, she is not from the spy realm.)

  98. thinkling says:

    So, for Wedding Planner could Jack be conning the bride … the daughter of the nuclear scientist who works for Iran? Wouldn’t be the first time he conned someone really dangerous. In fact, it seems to be his habit. That’s why arresting him (Cougars flashback) saved his life. That’s why Chuck and Sarah got involved in DeLorean. If this is the case in Wedding Planner, it’s escalating.

    Could Chuck and Sarah be conning the wedding planner to supposedly help Jack in his con, but really to save his hide (again) and discover/destroy/whatever Iran’s nuclear program? Are they conning a double wedding?

  99. armysfc says:

    saw this on a forum thought you might all like it.

    http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=293340

    • thinkling says:

      Thanks, Army! Really great article.

      Yvonne’s confidence must be coming from somewhere. Maybe a combination of steady numbers, trouble for NBC in general, and the possibility of syndication. Added to the fact that it’s cheap to produce. I hope she’s right. It’s a big ray of hope; that’s for sure.

    • atcDave says:

      That was a great article and interview, thanks for the link! Yvonne does seem fairly confident in renewal, I wonder if they’re hearing good things from the network. This is the second or third time I’ve heard her make the “Mr. and Mrs. Smith” comparison, which makes me think that must be a buzz word on set or something. Personally I found that movie a little dark for my taste (and they weren’t even a great team until the last 20 minutes or so!), and I see Chuck as being a little more of a romantic comedy like Thin Man or Undercover Blues (perhaps they find those comparisons too old or too obscure) but as long as they mean the ending of Mr and Mrs Smith I can live with that too!

      • armySFC says:

        dave, i think thats what they mean. after all chuck and sarah didn’t work as well in the past as they have this year. i equal that to the end of Mr and Mrs Smith. if you think about it their journey was similar to chuck and sarahs.

      • thinkling says:

        Joe beat me to it.

        I wasn’t wild about Mr and Mrs Smith, either, but it’s a modern, popular, successful married spy movie. I see Chuck as much better, so when I hear Yvonne talk about Mr and Mrs Smith, I figure that’s her point of reference for the genre and that she’s too young for some of the others. My son, about her age and also brought up outside the US, wouldn’t even know about Hart to Hart, let alone Thin Man.

      • uplink2 says:

        I think what she is also talking about is the banter between them during the missions. The best part of Mr and Mrs Smith were the scenes of them working together and arguing together in the mall at the end of the film. Chuck and Sarah are very different people in many ways and that will always lead to conflict but what they have shown is that the conflict can be a great deal of fun to watch when the strength of their love for each other is so obvious, so deep and unquestionable.

      • weaselone says:

        I’m fairly certain that they aren’t going to have Chuck and Sarah involved in a massive spy on spy grudge match/domestic dispute/case of spousal abuse. I could see Casey getting a love interest that way, but Chuck and Sarah are a little beyond the point where engaging in hand to hand, knife to knife, gun to gun and explosive to explosive combat with one another is OK. I can see the pair of them getting frisky during a sparring match in the Castle, but domestic violence would not be awesome.

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah I get all that. It’s just too bad; Mr and Mrs Smith was kind of ruined for me by the whole trying to kill each other bit in the middle. Of course maybe that’s the S3 comparison! But it did end well and I get the comparison at the end.

        Maybe we should send the cast and writers boxed sets of the Thin Man movies!

      • armySFC says:

        i think thinkling has it right. i have never heard of the thin man show and i’m over 50. how can you appeal to a audience that has never heard of the movie or show you are comparing it to? it doesn’t take away from that show in any way. be honest here. if we polled 1000 people online and asked if they heard of either one i bet mr and mrs smith will get a bigger response. trying attract fans using a comparison to show that aired over 70 years ago doesn’t exactly sound like a good way to go.

        people have short attention spans. if mr and mrs smith references draw people in or keeps them from leaving i’m all for it.

      • atcDave says:

        While I can’t deny Mr and Mrs Smith is currently better known; Thin Man is considered a classic, it is often run on various cable (old) movie channels, and is readily available on disc. My bet is, 30 years from now Thin Man will be the better known again.

        Last year, when Stana Katic was asked where she thought the central relationship on Castle was heading, she said she thought the wt/wt was already played out and hoped to see more Thin Man style humor in S3. Obviously, that’s not quite how things have happened on her show; but I think Thin Man is well known in the industry as a genre/archetype.
        It is possible it is not brought up in internal discussions for Chuck, but it also wouldn’t surprise me if substituting Mr and Mrs Smith in interviews is just about “dumbing down” for their audience.

      • atcDave says:

        Sorry, to be clear, that means I do get why they would be using Mr and Mrs Smith as their point of comparison; I only wish they would use something better.

      • armySFC says:

        dave i will agree 100% on all things thin man related because i know nothing about it. my point in all of this is to use a comparison to a show or movie that the largest number of people can relate to. thin man may be well know in the industry but its not people in the industry we want to watch the show. it’s regular people like you and i. it’s like in baseball. the yankees have a rich championship history. if you promote your team do you want to hear the players or management say we want to build a history like the yankees or the athletics? in the 70’s the A’s won three world series in a row but how many people remember that? they dang sure remember the yankees won a bunch of them.

        name recognition is what it’s all about. i think the smiths have it over the thin’s.

      • armySFC says:

        @dave sorry i was typing and your post snuck in before i got mine out. no offense.

      • jason says:

        I love how optimistic Yvonne is overall, toward the show and toward chuck and sarah. I would also view it as great news that she is being used as the co-spokesman for the show, along with Levi and Fedak. Finally, I found it interesting that she also talked about other projects, since I would guess her agent must be trying to get her some work for this summer, and she might be ‘big’ enough that her agent is getting clues from WB/NBC about the ‘future’. Obviously, that is reading lots of tea leaves, but what else do we chuck fans have to do?

        Finally, Dave, IMO Mr and Mrs Smith is simple code for ‘spy couple’, also, in some ways, I think EQUAL spies as a couple that the smith’s were, might be more accurate than the supersleuthy nick and his wisecrackin, trouble makin, bride nora, if anything, sarah and chuck are role reversals of that, but anyhow, I like it when sarah goes ‘Smithy’ on her interviews.

      • joe says:

        All good points, guys.

        But consider this article.

        For decades the TV industry has operated on a currency of youth, creating shows that appeal to 18- to 49-year-olds, the age group advertisers traditionally consider most likely to buy new products, switch brands and spend on everything from cars to soft drinks.

        Network executives’ pitch to advertisers is that the current crop of aging viewers isn’t like previous generations, who were winding down their spending at 55. This group buys iPads, redecorates, splurges on vacations and postpones retirement. “People still think of their grandparents when they were 60 wearing comfort shoes and baggy chinos,” says Alan Wurtzel, NBC Universal’s president of research. “These guys are just fundamentally different.”

        I understand a 30 year old like Yvonne reflexively referring to Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but the execs. need to realize that their audience is a bit older. I kinda like the idea that “we” should be a bit more ‘coveted’ too.

        Thanks to Faith for that link.

      • atcDave says:

        My objection to Mr and Mrs Smith will always be that it is much darker in tone than Chuck ever was, especially the middle part when they are trying to kill each other. Not only that, they really weren’t good guys! I think Undercover Blues is all around the best comparison, but it really is pretty obscure. And Kathleen Turner made an awesome “pre-incarnate” Sarah Walker. Dennis Quaid isn’t quite Chuck; but he is more the goofball of the pair. And of course no matter how easily he destroys baddies he always makes it perfectly clear his wife is far more dangerous (“you DON’T want to see her angry”).

        Just having fun here. Again I get why Mr and Mrs Smith is brought up. It’s just too bad because there are so many better choices in the genre. I think it’s better known for the notoriety of the cast than the quality of the film.

      • armySFC says:

        joe, i believe they did take older viewers into account this season. how many 18-25 yos care that much about relationships or hero’s journeys? that’s more characteristic of older viewers. its the advertisers that need to see that point. while the younger viewers of chuck are tuning out the elders are tuning in. so if they realize that maybe it works out for chuck in the end.

      • atcDave says:

        Joe that is an excellent article and point. And Chuck is so loaded with 80s movie references it really is more aimed at folks our age than the actual age of the cast.

        There are big differences in types of advertising too. Establishing brand loyalty for a new energy drink or hair care product will always work better on young adults and teens. But big ticket items like iPads and cars are better advertised to us old farts who actually have money.

      • thinkling says:

        @Jason
        Good point on the analogy that in M/M Smith they are both spies. Maybe that’s the point more than the level of darkness. I can’t see Chuck and Sarah being like Mr. and Mrs. Smith in those areas.

        Dave, you said maybe Mr. and Mrs. Smith is a buzz word on set. Maybe it’s better than that. Maybe it’s a buzz word higher up for S5 … obviously the sit not the tone.

        Maybe they are also finally recognizing Sarah/Yvonne’s clout.

        @Joe
        I really like the TV coming of age article. That could bode well for Chuck, since our total viewership and +7 numbers give us quite a boost. Let’s hear it for us older (sorry — wise and mature) people. Personally the hot pocket is more in my budget, but I’m sure some of my contemporaries are shopping for Toyota’s 😉 … Does anybody have a break down of Chuck fan demographics? I know our blog is quite varied with a healthy portion of mature bloggers and readers. Is that representative, or do we tend to migrate to one corner of the fandom?

      • James Bond says:

        I think Yvonne mentioned Mr and Mrs Smith before season 3 started….I do not think that she means that the show should take the tone of that movie. I just think she meant that she would like to do all her scenes with zach…as chuck and sarah as a couple doing fun things and being together. If you think about at times the best we see of yvonne as sarah is in episodes like honeymooners or first bank of evil when it is just chuck and sarah doing their thing and being happy doing that kind of stuff. Sometimes I think the most authentic parts of sarah is when she is with chuck, why is that? is it because yvonne over the first 3 years did most or all of her scenes with zach and so there is a comfort/use to level there that does not exist with the other actors/characters or is it just they naturally work well together…..but in the same pre-season 3 interview she did say that just her and chuck on the run would not work because they have other actors who have to be in scenes, lol.

    • joe says:

      Great article, Army. Thanks!

      And wow – Yvonne sounds even more optimistic than I do in print. That’s saying something! 😉

      Dave, you know maybe she’s just not aware of The Thin Man series. I mean “I’ll take American Movies from the 30’s for $20, Alex.” is not as likely as Angelina Jolie for $200, I’m guessing.

      Ah, the young kids today! 😉

      • Tamara Burks says:

        I’ve seen the Thin Man movies but I’ve never seen Mr and Mrs. Smith. Long before cable and satellite they were shown on PBS .

        I’m 41 so they were before my time. Maybe I’m a little odd for my age group though as when I met a man named Lash the first thing I asked him was he named after Lash Larue . He said I was the first person he’d met who figured that out .

        Also when I was in high school I had posters of Humphrey Bogart and Albert Einstein in my room.

        Undercover Blues is a great movie. I love it every time I see it. Now that I can see as Chuck and Sarah’s future . Who knows maybe we’ll get an homage to Undercover Blues where Chuck is looking after baby Clara and gets into a knife fight while walking her in the park(Chuck and Clara win of course) .

      • atcDave says:

        Always great to find another fan of older movies! My wife is about your age and she also loves the oldies (umm, I’m not THAT much older!)

      • jason says:

        I have only seen undercover blues once, and I don’t think he has the acting chops, but I don’t think it matters for the role, I would love to see brandon routh come back and be mourtemier (is that the guys name) for a mini arc, I think it would take a bunch of pressure off of both TPTB and off of Routh vs Chuck fans – it only works if both chuck and sarah’s attitude toward morty is exactly like undercover blues …. annoyed / amused …. sorry, you guys who take the show serious gotta just hate me, to me chuck was written to have fun with a crazy dick van dyke guy, a way to hot to handle girl friend / wife who adores her man, and a zany cast supporting the lead couple.

      • atcDave says:

        Your thinking of El Muerte (Death)? I’m sure that isn’t one of Stanley Tucci’s proudest moments; but I don’t see any way Routh can compete with Tucci, especially not as the comic relief in a comedy!

        Jason the thing about Chuck for most of us is the character drama rings true; its the external issues that are outrageous and larger than life (like Buy More and spy missions). I do get the Get Smart comparison, but only if Get Smart was an hour show and the extra 30 was spent seriously exploring the relationship between Max and 99!
        I’ve got a co-worker who claims her dad is a huge Get Smart fan. So I got her hooked on Chuck; she says she likes Chuck a lot better because “it isn’t nearly as stupid as Get Smart!”
        Like I said, I get that there are some parallels; but its like comparing Inspector Gadget to James Bond. Most observers would say, in spite of some similarities they are two completely different things.

      • JC says:

        I always thought of Chuck as a live action comic book and instead of being bitten by a spider or dressing up like a bat he has the Intersect.

      • jason says:

        “Your thinking of El Muerte (Death)? I’m sure that isn’t one of Stanley Tucci’s proudest moments; but I don’t see any way Routh can compete with Tucci, especially not as the comic relief in a comedy!”

        Dave – that is why it would be so funny, cause routh would be terrible, yvonne and zach would sell it -all routh would have to do is play it deadpan straight, he’d be great

        oh well, silly thought, you know, regardless of what, and even though it isn’t right, there are more angeline joline / brad pitt fans out there than myrna loy / william powell … I think the reference is awesome vs the alternative, like yvonne making some reference to some gossip girl ships?

      • atcDave says:

        Yeah you’re right on both counts. There are more BP/AJ fans, and its just not right!

      • thinkling says:

        @Dave
        Good way to describe the parallels and contrast to Get Smart. Even the spy stories are much, much better. Chuck at its best combines action, drama, comedy and romance all in one. Within the unbelievable universe they’ve created it’s mostly believable, especially the characters. In fact even in a show with such a ridiculous premise, they are more compelling than characters in shows with believable realities.

        At any rate, Chuck has already gotten smart and has much more appeal than the ’60’s sit com.

      • jason says:

        @think / @dave – all the stakes are much higher on tv in 2010 than in the get smart era, as proof, could you imagine ’24’ being on tv 40 years ago, the violence in it probably would have gotten at least an ‘R’ rating in the theater.

        So chuck has much higher stakes than Get Smart, but still has the lowest standard for plot coherence / menacing threats of any spy show of its era, just like get smart did in its era – at least to my eye – I did not even know some thought season 2 was serious, to me, it is all written tongue in cheek, with a wink and a nod, with the exception of the mauser scene, which seemed to exist on a different planet, as did parts of most season 3 episodes. Season 4 has returned to what I like, what I saw in seasons 1 & 2. IMO if you do want chuck to be serious, you need to accept things that we saw in season 3, I clearly understand what some of those on the blog want the show to be, I just saw less of that in the show’s past than many of you have. My opinion is most of the fans out there do not take chuck too seriously either which is why when chuck took itself serious in season 3, it bombed, again, strictly opinion.

      • atcDave says:

        I know Jason, and we’ve had this discussion before. I agree that the spy stories are played broadly, for fun and humor; that’s how I like it. But the character stories are categorically not played that way. Chuck’s relationships with Sarah, Ellie, Orion, Frost, and sometimes Casey and Morgan are played for drama. I don’t get how that can be missed. It was billed from the beginning as a dramedy. The dramatic relationships are what cause us to connect and care about the characters. And it’s way more than just the Mauser shooting. Sarah in particular was always played for drama until 3.14. It’s fine if you don’t care for that aspect. But dramedy is not exactly a new or unique concept; I just don’t get how you don’t see it.

      • armySFC says:

        @jason correct me if i’m wrong, but in the recent past you have said you chuck and sarah is why you watch the show. that falls int drama not parody. i also agree that the plot lines are weak. that’s been my biggest complaint. if you truly believe its a parody, why are the relationships so important? in a parody they shouldn’t matter at all.

        @dave i believe each person sees what they want to see in each show. there was just a discussion i was involved in that i never saw what you and a few others saw. it all comes back to our personal ideas of what a show is about.

      • jason says:

        @army / @dave – the spy stuff is ‘get smart 21st century’, but the relationship stuff is not. the relation stuff reminds me of one of my fav tv shows ever, happy days, chuck is richie, morgan is ralph, casey is potsie, awesome is chachi, ellie is joannie & yep sarah the fonz – eeehhhh, that is when sarah is not a normal girl – Lori Beth

        but I often left watching chuck feeling happy because of how sarah, morgan, casey, and chuck’s banter back and forth made me feel, but dave to answer your ?, unlike happy days, even in seasons 1 & 2, chuck and sarah left me feeling lousy pretty often, which is why I think chuck never made it big …. the type of show chuck is was not meant to make fans miserable, s1 and s2 had plenty of misery, s3 took it to new levels, and I think s4 has things just about right, but more than likely too late to turn the show into the kind of hit it could have been

      • atcDave says:

        Thanks for answering Jason, in the context you give I would mostly agree. Even to say the occasional down beats in S1 and S2 may have caused a long term problem; but mainly that would be the drawing of wrong conclusions that lead to the S3 fubar. I think that was where they dropped the ball on what could have been better sustained ratings. But of course we’ve had that part of the conversation many times before…

      • Verkan_Vall says:

        @atcDave:
        “The dramatic relationships are what cause us to connect and care about the characters.”

        I couldn’t agree more. I love comedy and I love laughing at this show, but comedy alone won’t get you the emotional investment from the fans that Chuck had by the end of season 2. That is why I think people who say that Chuck is “just” television are wrong; if it had been just another TV show, it would have never come back from cancellation.

        The writing and the performances of the first two seasons forged a series of emotional connections with the fans, and it was those very same connections TPTB took a blowtorch to in Season 3.

        I will never understand the reasoning behind the 3rd season. It was an amoral, sloppy mess and the fans deserved better.

      • atcDave says:

        I agree with all of that VV; although as I’ve said elsewhere, I’m (mostly) satisfied with the amends they’ve made this season. Really the only bad thing I can say about S4 is that we had to suffer through S3 to get it.

      • Big Kev says:

        Dave/Verkan,
        Agree with you 100% if the relationships on this show were just played for comedy or parody, I might laugh – but I wouldn’t care. I’ve never got invested in most sitcoms for the same reason – the characters are caricatures. Frasier is the only one I can think of where the characters were written with enough depth to make me care. I’m guessing MASH would have been the same too, just before my time.
        I don’t much mind if most of the spy plots are ridiculous (especially the standalone ones) as long as a couple of them are serious enough to make the story interesting. That injection of occasional seriousness is what gives the emotional moments between the characters so much resonance – the break up scene, Chuck and Ellie after PapaB’s death, Ellie and MamaB, the list goes on. Take away the genuinely serious moments that those scenes are built around and the emotions mean nothing – as Frea puts it, the payoffs don’t feel earned.
        One of my favourites was in Tic Tac. Chuck being goofy about Casey stealing “the pill” straight into Sarah going for her gun. Slapstick to drama in one brilliant transition. No other show does that like Chuck. It is, dare I say it, genius.

      • uplink2 says:

        Just wanted to say VV I agree completely. Chuck is a very different animal for me. I have gotten heavily involved with some Idol forum and fan sites and am a mod at one but that was really for the artist that I stayed involved. I left the general Idol forums ages ago. But Chuck has been different for me. I started watching I think the first time Jill came on the scene in season 2. It took all of one episode to get hooked and it very shortly became appointment TV for me. I became so heavily invested in the relationship that it took me beyond just liking a show about a nerd like me that gets to play spy with a very hot handler very quickly. That investment really grew as season 2 closed.

        From that point on I was more invested in the show than I had ever been with any other in my over 50 years of TV watching except maybe The Wire but for completely different reasons. Not sure why it got to me other than Yvonne in particular and Zac’s amazing chemistry and depth of performance. Which is why season 3 hit me so hard. What they were doing made no sense. Why I loved the show was Zac and Yvonne on screen together and we didn’t see very much of that and what we did was very depressing. I don’t know how many times I yelled WTF at the screen and “did you guys even watch the show you put on last season?”

        I liked the drama and heartache of season 1 and 2 because it was usually followed shortly thereafter by something that reinforced what you saw under the surface. We didn’t really see it from both of them till a glimpse in Final Exam. And then they took a dump on that with something even more painful at the end.

        I love the feel of season 4. The Bank Robbery scene in FBoE is one of my favorite Chuck moments ever. It was classic Chuck. But they still need a season 5 to put the distance between where the show is at and where it went last season.

        Sometimes I get reminded of that scene in Love Actually where Emma Thomson asks her husband about the necklace and its something about is it just a necklace or if it is more about love and the necklace and should she stay around knowing that her life would always be just a little bit worse. I know its overly dramatic for a TV show but that is how I felt at times. Should I stick around knowing that the show would always be just a little bit worse than it could have been. I have certainly and I love where we are at now but the heights it can achieve are always going to be just a little bit lower than they could have been because of the poor decisions in season 3.

      • Big Kev says:

        Let me offer another perspective, Uplink.
        At least you love Season 4!!!
        I shared many (but not all) of your frustrations with S3, but I also can’t shake a feeling of disappointment with S4. I don’t say that to get into a debate about the merits – but I say it to point out that you shouldn’t let the disappointments of S3 cloud your enjoyment of a show that is now delivering exactly what you want. Trust me, I would love to be as enthused about S4 as you are. If I was, I reckon I’d be too busy enjoying it to give a rats anymore about S3!

      • thinkling says:

        @Uplink, VV
        I pretty much agree with you about season 3, but I’ve swung a long way to Big Kev’s view that I refuse to let it rob me of my enjoyment of S4. I just love what we’re getting now. It makes me want a season 5 more than ever.

        So … Alladins Apothecary introduces its latest product that will banish the blues of Season 3 … SAD Elixir.

        SAD Elixir* is for those who suffer from S3 Affective Disorder. Think of it as sunshine (and your favorite episodes) in a bottle.

        *We make a stronger formula for those with the more acute illness, PTSD (Post Third Season Depression).

      • atcDave says:

        Those who can’t remember the past are doomed to repeat it!

        In terms of my enjoyment of the show I’m over S3. But I will always hope TPTB remember it very well (and I will always do my part to ensure they do); and I hope others in the business make a case study of it!

      • uplink2 says:

        Thanks folks. I appreciate your thoughts and understand your perspective. I don’t let it rob me of my enjoyment of season 4. In fact 3 of my top 5 episodes are from season 4. Phase Three, Push Mix and First Fight. In fact 2 more from my top 10 are from season 4. Coup d’Etat and Seduction Impossible with Balcony just out side of it. Its just that many times I long for what could have been. Probably a practice that will only lead to disappointment I know but its who I am I guess.

        For many that may read this it has never been about just Chuck and Sarah not being together for me. That is certainly part of it but there was so much more that frustrated me. A few changes that gave us a couple of those scenes that made the show so great in season 1 and 2. A couple of lines of dialog from Sarah acknowledging to Chuck in Angel that she heard what he said on the video and understood what it meant but that on the course he chose being friends was the best option for “one mission at a time”. Sarah going to see Chuck at the end of Nacho Sampler and not let him drink alone. Just be the friend she had always been protecting him. Eliminate the LI aspect of both Hannah and Sham. It was completely unnecessary and really diminished what they had shown from the Pilot on and with 2 other much better LI’s for both characters. I really was offended by Ali Adler’s use of what I love about her writing to spit in my face on so many aspects of Fake Name. I watched Wookie again this morning and the greatness of that episode and the hotel room scene will always be tarnished because she turned it into a lie. There are so many other elements to it as well but they have all been talked about for page after page and no need to revisit them because they will never change.

        So sometimes I vent a bit and I’m glad I have a place to do it. But I guess I have to accept that some people will make decisions that will allow their greatness to never be fully realized. Sometimes those decisions were forced on them certainly but its how you deal with that that can still show what you are made of. This is why Chuck has been so great so many times and when it misses the mark so badly why it gets so disappointing for me. I don’t want it to become just another show and it almost did for me. Not it has come back well and I love what they are doing but it will always be just a bit worse than it could have been.

        Off topic I know but I have a question I wonder if any one can answer. I rewatched DVD 1 of season 1 last night and this morning and was curious if Helicopter was shot much earlier than Tango and Wookie. Even beyond just the open it seems like it was shot at the same time as the pilot and Norman Buckley edited both before Matt Barber came on board. But its more than that the whole look of those 2 are different than the rest. Maybe they shot so much of the pilot and used it as a two parter or NBC asked to see 2 eps but they really look and feel different.

      • atcDave says:

        As far as I know Uplink there was about a six month gap between the Pilot and Helicopter when regular production started. I know they have made comments about it taking a while into S1 before they found their rhythm (although I love those early episodes, especially Tango); I’ve always assumed that meant there were aspects of the look and pacing of the show that took a while. I believe Wookie and Sizzling Shrimp were shown out of order, but it doesn’t seem to me to cause any major continuity issues. I know for S2 they switched from a mix of film and digital to an all digital format; so many scenes from S1 have a different look (lighting, color, and film grain; generally more “cinematic”. But also more expensive so it was abandoned in the first round of cost savings).
        I also think Yvonne was still working on the vocal characteristics of Sarah (presumably complicated by doing an accent), I notice the biggest difference in how Sarah sounds between Helicopter and Tango.

      • Tamara Burks says:

        Having Shaw be back as a take off of El Muerte (Morty) from Undercover blues wouldn’t work . Morty was a screwup and never succeeded at hurting the Blues, Shaw was a screwup but he stole Sarah’s brain and left lingering damage on her character not to mention he went and killed Papa B right in front of Chuck and Ellie so that the Bartowski parents could never reunite.

  100. uplink2 says:

    New promo for A-Team and the Greta’s ARE Intersects.

    Link

  101. OldDarth says:

    So much for Casey being a man of honour?

    Hope he is playing a covert con here trying to protect Chuck otherwise this seems like a Casey character assassination.

    • uplink2 says:

      I’m not sure we will find out monday but I have a feeling he is sort of undercover in his own organization.

      • rac2873 says:

        This is from Fedak.

        Chuck‘s awesome. (<<CHUCK PUN!!!!!) Any news? — J.J.
        [Breaking news: Your question made me laugh out loud. Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming…] Monday’s Chuck is going to answer many of the questions you have about the GRETA, and in many ways acts as a launching pad for the next couples of episodes. It also marks the return of Isaiah Mustafa and Stacy Keebler, who find themselves at odds with Chuck and Sarah. “We definitely wanted to see some of the GRETA characters we established earlier in the season and see what happened to them next and explain what the government was up to and why there were GRETAs inside the Buy More,” says co-creator Chris Fedak. “Once we got the order for more episodes, after the initial 13, we were like ‘Oh, we gotta get in there and explain what the GRETA project was.’ And so it was kinda neat to take those characters, who we’d only had a little